SS Course
Scott
Is the basic or advanced course ever updated or revisied. The reason I ask
is that I don't want to pay for something that is 5 years old or even one
for that matter.
Thanks in advance
Scott
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Chris Odom
I believe Ross does release new versions of it when warranted...also there
are newsletters, a private email list, and other products for sale.
I'm curious why the age of the product is more important to you than the
effectiveness of the product?
If it's ineffective, I wouldn't want it no matter how new it is.
It it's effective, I *would* want it no matter how old it is.
So I'm curious what logic I am missing?
Estes
wrote:
>
>I believe Ross does release new versions of it when warranted...also there
>are newsletters, a private email list, and other products for sale.
>
>I'm curious why the age of the product is more important to you than the
>effectiveness of the product?
>
>If it's ineffective, I wouldn't want it no matter how new it is.
>
>It it's effective, I *would* want it no matter how old it is.
>
>So I'm curious what logic I am missing?
>
Hey Chris.....why don't you tell him about how Ross threatened to look
up some guys personal information in his customer database and post it
on the internet just because the guy was complaining about how the
e-mail list was being run?
You have been helped......
Scott
or something....is it updated to his current basic and advanced courses.
Make more sense?
Scott
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Scott
I can see your point...I have heard all this. And don't think much of it.
But what really concerns me is that I e-mailed him asking these questions
about his courses. I mean like a customer standing in-line. Never got a
reply.I have to admit it made me step back and consider. Has anyone here
ever e-mailed him and got no response?
NOT TRYING TO START A FLAME
Thanks
Scott
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Chris Odom
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Estes wrote:
>
> Hey Chris.....why don't you tell him about how Ross threatened to look
> up some guys personal information in his customer database and post it
> on the internet just because the guy was complaining about how the
> e-mail list was being run?
>
> You have been helped......
Cause to be honest, I really don't give a fuck. I'm not associated with
Ross, I've never met Ross or been to any of his seminars, and I've only
ever purchased one of his products (the basic home study course.)
Have I seen Ross act like an ass sometimes? Yeah. And I don't care. ALL
i care about is that his course material is fucking SOLID GOLD
information. It's by FAR the best and most effective seduction info I've
found.
Something else...to the best of my knowledge, Ross has never revealed
confidential customer info to anyone, on this newsgroup or otherwise.
Yeah, I remember he did threaten to do so once, when the guy was
spamming/flaming Ross on this ng. To be honest, I'm really not worried
about it, I simply have no worries that Ross is going to go posting my
personal info (or anyone else's) here or anywhere else.
If someone asks me what material is EFFECTIVE, the truthful answer is
"Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction." That doesn't change whether Ross is a
dick or not. I've actually heard a lot of *good* things about Ross's
personality (unlike, say, Ray) from Ross's students...if he can be a dick
from time to time, well I don't give a fuck. All I care is, does his shit
work? Yes it does.
1-800-WAAAHH BTW why don't YOU answer some questions now:
1) Why are you so obsessed with it anyway?
2) How does any of this have anything to do with the effectiveness of the
material?
AVeryPsychicMale
>are newsletters, a private email list, and other products for sale.
>
>I'm curious why the age of the product is more important to you than the
>effectiveness of the product?
>
>If it's ineffective, I wouldn't want it no matter how new it is.
>
>It it's effective, I *would* want it no matter how old it is.
>
>So I'm curious what logic I am missing?
The same logic that has me and a few others I'm sure wondering why you devote
so much time to what is essentially the PROMOTION of SS when you have no stated
profit motive for doing so.
AVeryPsychicMale
>or something....is it updated to his current basic and advanced courses.
>Make more sense?
>Scott
Does human mating change so often that someone should have to constantly revise
their material?
Chris Odom
FYI I have personally mailed him and not gotten a reply. But I personally
receive hundreds of emails every day and I don't reply to them all. I
can't possibly imagine how many emails ROSS gets every day...
What if someone emails you and says "Hey I want to get your product...does
it suck? Is it full of old bullshit or should I buy it?" I mean it's a
dumb, insulting question and if he's got a thousand other stupid emails to
browse through...
The basic course is updated every few years. I have the one that came out
in '96 and it is AWESOME. EVERYTHING is in there. If you don't get it,
well, your loss.
For your information, Speed Seduction is constantly being improved and
updated, by Ross and by his students. They have a constant dialogue going
on at the ss private mailing list. If you want to get all the latest
info, get on that list. The only way on the list is to buy a product,
FYI.
I'm wondering why you emailed him with such a question before asking it
here?
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Scott wrote:
Scott
Damn the flames!
Scott
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Scott
It seems when you ask a question about Rosses course in here it starts a
war....that is why I tried to contact him with the question. All I wanted to
know was if the product is ever updated.
Scott
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Scott
go buy the 70's edition of "How To Pick Up Girls".
Scott
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Chris Odom
Well then, gordo, I'll clear it up for you.
I have no profit motive at all. I have never met Ross or talked with him.
I have never been to one of his seminars. I have purchased one product,
the basic course.
Unlike you, I am not here for profit or to satisfy some sick psychological
need.
I am here SOLELY due to an interest in the topic at hand: SEDUCTION
I am here to learn about seduction, to teach about seduction, and to talk
about seduction. I am also interested in any books, products, websites,
courses, seminars, that will improve the field of (and my knowledge of)
SEDUCTION.
I also enjoy discourse with the other people here who know what they are
talking about.
You, Ray, are not one of those people. You are constantly misleading
newbies (who mistakenly take you seriously for their first few months
here) with your bullshit, ineffective ideas. You talk about your
"foxhunting theory" as if it is legitimate. You claim ownership of other
people's ideas. Your idea of seduction is to talk about how you wish
women were different, how you wish women would be the way you WANT them to
be. Maybe you should learn some skills that work instead of whining about
basic human nature. Look, women are born the way they are. You aren't
going to change their basic nature. Why not learn what actually works and
use it? That's why we are here! Your books suck (yes I read them.) You
obviously don't go out into the field, you obviously never get laid, you
obviously don't have a girlfriend.
You spend your time in strip bars and AOL chat rooms for christsakes!
You are constantly talking about "cunts" and "whores" and "sluts"...you
are constantly making bullshit legal threats. You are bipolar...even if
you hadn't admitted it online, it's pretty obvious that you have mental
problems. You are a lot of talk and no action...
I gave you the benefit of the doubt when I first joined this newsgroup.
And I formed my opinion of you SOLELY based on THE THINGS THAT YOU WRITE.
You ARE a newsloon and you have been documented as such on the newsloon
site. Anyone who takes you seriously is someone who has not yet learned
what you are all about.
BTW Ray, why not posting from Juno anymore?
...
AVeryPsychicMale
>> up some guys personal information in his customer database and post it
>> on the internet just because the guy was complaining about how the
>> e-mail list was being run?
>>
>> You have been helped......
>
>Cause to be honest, I really don't give a fuck. I'm not associated with
>Ross, I've never met Ross or been to any of his seminars, and I've only
>ever purchased one of his products (the basic home study course.)
>
>Have I seen Ross act like an ass sometimes? Yeah. And I don't care. ALL
>i care about is that his course material is fucking SOLID GOLD
>information. It's by FAR the best and most effective seduction info I've
>found.
>
>Something else...to the best of my knowledge, Ross has never revealed
>confidential customer info to anyone, on this newsgroup or otherwise.
The threat is bad enough. He'll never live it down as it shows him to be a
pathetic excuse for a human being.
>Yeah, I remember he did threaten to do so once, when the guy was
>spamming/flaming Ross on this ng. To be honest, I'm really not worried
>about it, I simply have no worries that Ross is going to go posting my
>personal info (or anyone else's) here or anywhere else.
Never mind the government connections he claimed.
>If someone asks me what material is EFFECTIVE, the truthful answer is
>"Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction."
Oh sure, just ask the women! Oh wait, you can't really be HONEST with them
about what you're doing, can you? Great foundation for an "incredible
connection." Keep babbling, Brooke.
>That doesn't change whether Ross is a
>dick or not. I've actually heard a lot of *good* things about Ross's
>personality (unlike, say, Ray) from Ross's students...if he can be a dick
>from time to time, well I don't give a fuck. All I care is, does his shit
>work? Yes it does.
But on what type of women? Why do so many women call men who use it losers?
>1-800-WAAAHH BTW why don't YOU answer some questions now:
>
>1) Why are you so obsessed with it anyway?
Why are you? You're the one making the pitch all the time.
>2) How does any of this have anything to do with the effectiveness of the
>material?
Said the man who attacks me personally. Hypocrite.
AVeryPsychicMale
>receive hundreds of emails every day and I don't reply to them all. I
>can't possibly imagine how many emails ROSS gets every day...
>
>What if someone emails you and says "Hey I want to get your product...does
>it suck? Is it full of old bullshit or should I buy it?" I mean it's a
>dumb, insulting question and if he's got a thousand other stupid emails to
>browse through...
>
>The basic course is updated every few years. I have the one that came out
>in '96 and it is AWESOME. EVERYTHING is in there. If you don't get it,
>well, your loss.
>
>For your information, Speed Seduction is constantly being improved and
>updated, by Ross and by his students.
You sound like an infomercial for Ross now. Funny how you got loud just as
Oedipus was getting quiet.
>They have a constant dialogue going
>on at the ss private mailing list. If you want to get all the latest
>info, get on that list.
>The only way on the list is to buy a product,
Wow, more sounding like an infomercial.
>FYI.
>
>I'm wondering why you emailed him with such a question before asking it
>here?
Maybe he was curious how Ross himself would react?
Funny how there's always someone here ready to steer people towards buying SS
products...same patterns, adjusted when one doesn't work (like calling me a
child molester or my mother a prostitute).
Chris Odom
product with great information in it.
But that doesn't mean ALL new innovations go there. Ross has a student
named Bishop who came out with his own product. It contains stuff that's
not in the basic course. But I would get the basic course before I would
get anything else. (That was just an example.)
Here's another example...4 of Ross's students have a CD each, and Ross
sells the packet as the "methods and masters" CD set. Yes, it has stuff
that's not in the basic course. But still, I'd rather have the basic
course, and you'd need the basic course to understand the rest of the
stuff anyway.
And really, the basic course is the only material you will ever NEED.
Not that you couldn't become a great seducer just through lots of trial
and effort...and from reading the great info on maniac's website.
Does that help?
Scott
Thank you.
whois...@my-deja.com
info to go through when taking the course. There is a monthly
newsletter that does up date things. Also they have a busy mailing list
which is on topic and more real time. Really I don't need any more
material than I have now. I am learning the basic method and then
changing it to fit my style. The really new stuff is being invented by
myself - for myself. The better I get at it, the more stuff I invent to
fit the person or situation I am sarging in.
Hope this helps. yeah... damn the flames...
greg of the one tribe
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Before you buy.
Estes
wrote:
>
>
>On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Estes wrote:
>>
>> Hey Chris.....why don't you tell him about how Ross threatened to look
>> up some guys personal information in his customer database and post it
>> on the internet just because the guy was complaining about how the
>> e-mail list was being run?
>>
>> You have been helped......
>
>Cause to be honest, I really don't give a fuck. I'm not associated with
>Ross, I've never met Ross or been to any of his seminars, and I've only
>ever purchased one of his products (the basic home study course.)
Wow. The way you take up for him you would think you are on his
payrole, or are you one of those individuals who get free SS products
from him like Odious was?
>Have I seen Ross act like an ass sometimes? Yeah. And I don't care. ALL
>i care about is that his course material is fucking SOLID GOLD
>information. It's by FAR the best and most effective seduction info I've
>found.
>
>Something else...to the best of my knowledge, Ross has never revealed
>confidential customer info to anyone, on this newsgroup or otherwise.
>Yeah, I remember he did threaten to do so once, when the guy was
>spamming/flaming Ross on this ng. To be honest, I'm really not worried
>about it, I simply have no worries that Ross is going to go posting my
>personal info (or anyone else's) here or anywhere else.
So, you think that it is a good thing when somebody *threatens* to
reveal personal information from a customer database to silence a
critic?
>If someone asks me what material is EFFECTIVE, the truthful answer is
>"Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction." That doesn't change whether Ross is a
>dick or not. I've actually heard a lot of *good* things about Ross's
>personality (unlike, say, Ray) from Ross's students...if he can be a dick
>from time to time, well I don't give a fuck. All I care is, does his shit
>work? Yes it does.
>
>1-800-WAAAHH BTW why don't YOU answer some questions now:
>
>1) Why are you so obsessed with it anyway?
MOST people think that public threats to silence critics are a *bad*
thing. You obviously condone this type of behavior.
Chris Odom
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Estes wrote:
> Wow. The way you take up for him you would think you are on his
> payrole, or are you one of those individuals who get free SS products
> from him like Odious was?
Since your comprehension skills are lacking...
I've never gotten anything for free from Ross. I purchased the basic
course. I've never been to a seminar or spoken with Ross. I've heard he
can be a really cool guy who really cares about improved his students.
I've always heard he can be an arrogant dick from time to time. You know
what? I don't give a fuck. All I care about is seduction and I know that
the product I got from Ross is FUCKING AWESOME.
You want to know what I am here saying that the basic course is fucking
awesome? BECAUSE IT IS. And guess what, if it sucked, I would say "It
sucks" because effectiveness is all I care about.
Oh and BTW, Ray's book sucks.
> >Have I seen Ross act like an ass sometimes? Yeah. And I don't care. ALL
> >i care about is that his course material is fucking SOLID GOLD
> >information. It's by FAR the best and most effective seduction info I've
> >found.
> >
> >Something else...to the best of my knowledge, Ross has never revealed
> >confidential customer info to anyone, on this newsgroup or otherwise.
> >Yeah, I remember he did threaten to do so once, when the guy was
> >spamming/flaming Ross on this ng. To be honest, I'm really not worried
> >about it, I simply have no worries that Ross is going to go posting my
> >personal info (or anyone else's) here or anywhere else.
>
> So, you think that it is a good thing when somebody *threatens* to
> reveal personal information from a customer database to silence a
> critic?
Personally, I don't think it's a good thing. But I also don't care,
because honestly I don't think there's anything there to worry about.
I've never seen Ross reveal personal customer info. I honestly don't
believe it's a problem, or that it will be a problem, and I don't worry
about it. I just don't think, in my own life, it's that big a deal.
> >If someone asks me what material is EFFECTIVE, the truthful answer is
> >"Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction." That doesn't change whether Ross is a
> >dick or not. I've actually heard a lot of *good* things about Ross's
> >personality (unlike, say, Ray) from Ross's students...if he can be a dick
> >from time to time, well I don't give a fuck. All I care is, does his shit
> >work? Yes it does.
> >
> >1-800-WAAAHH BTW why don't YOU answer some questions now:
> >
> >1) Why are you so obsessed with it anyway?
>
> MOST people think that public threats to silence critics are a *bad*
> thing. You obviously condone this type of behavior.
All right, TROLL, you didn't answer my first question, and you SNIPPED OUT
my second question. Mr. Anonymous. What, you think there's some big
conspiracy where Ross sucks my dick in return for me posting on usenet?
Get a life. I use SS and IT WORKS, that's all I care about. And I think
the people on this newsgroup are here because they want to find something
EFFECTIVE for SEDUCTION. That's all THEY care about. My motives are
clear....yours are not.
Estes
wrote:
> What, you think there's some big
>conspiracy where Ross sucks my dick in return for me posting on usenet?
It wouldn't be the first time that has happened in this NG.
Estes
wrote:
>All right, TROLL
So.....In your simple little mind, anyone who feels that threatening
to reveal the personal information a customer is WRONG, is a Troll????
Blue_Eyed_Devil
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Chris Odom <ch...@enteract.com> wrote:
>
> FYI I have personally mailed him and not gotten a reply. But I
personally
> receive hundreds of emails every day and I don't reply to them all. I
> can't possibly imagine how many emails ROSS gets every day...
I have heard Bishop before say something to the effect of Ross receiving
several hundred emails a day. Shit I helped him stop some pirating of
the materials on ebay and Ross never even emailed me.
--
~~~~~/ Blue Eyed Devil \~~~~~
Dave Riker
<m...@myplace.com> wrote:
>Estes,
>I can see your point...I have heard all this. And don't think much of it.
>But what really concerns me is that I e-mailed him asking these questions
>about his courses. I mean like a customer standing in-line. Never got a
>reply.I have to admit it made me step back and consider. Has anyone here
>ever e-mailed him and got no response?
I understand guy's frustration with this, really.
But, think of it this way (and I am creating a very very far out example to
simply illustrate a point, so bear with me - ok? I mean this just for
discussion)..
This is like a guy saying "I was thinking of buying a car, and I emailed the
CEO of Ford, but have not heard back. So it makes me wonder how they treat
their customers.
See what I mean?
Ross web site pretty much provides a lot of free info. There is MUCH more in
the actual courses (these losers who say :"I read the web site, I know SS"
have hardly a clue). The web site talks about what is contained in the
courses. Many times, people who call to order also can ask questions. Plus,
there is a money back guarantee. I mean - what else does anyone want. If you
don¹t like it and get results - return it!
Plus, you have to understand Ross gets hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds
of emails a DAY. Its a shame, some guys will go on, and on, and on for pages
about their situation - how could Ross - or ANYONE - possible respond to all
of them?
And, if you were him, you start to realize that many guys, know matter what
you do, or say, or advise, never GET IT> So, after a awhile, with all the
demands on your time, you just say "you know, if they don¹t believe in
themselves, and the products, enough to actually get a course and really
work at it, why should I take the time to read all this email?
Yes, you will hear like 3-4 guys whine in here about Ross. But let me take
that above analogy further (about buying a car from Ford).
Som,e guys think that if they buy a car, that means, that forever, they can
walk into the showroom any day, drink the free coffee, eat the free
doughnuts, and proceed to make demands on the sales staff, stand in the
lobby, get loud, whine when their every wittle need is not met, whine some
more, and then when the dealership asks the guy to leave the showroom, the
guy whines "oh, so THIS is how you treat your customers".
LOL, ok, thats a stretch, but I think you get my point.
The funny thing about all of the 3-4 guys bashing RJ is, well, the real guys
in here that you DO hear actually getting results, none of them seem to have
a real issue with Ross. They may have some slight problems, but jeesus, they
don¹t whine about it. Its the 3-4 guys (who post like WAY too much), who are
hardly getting ANY action, that whine.
The bootm line is this. Why not just give it a shot? If you don¹t get the
results return it.
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Dave Riker
averypsy...@aol.com (AVeryPsychicMale) wrote:
>The same logic that has me and a few others I'm sure wondering why you
>devote
>so much time to what is essentially the PROMOTION of SS when you have no
>stated
>profit motive for doing so.
Uh, maybe he wants to just HELP people.
Maybe he sees the VALUE of it.
Maybe he actually likes Ross, and wants to help him.
Jeez - it is SO sad, these gus who cannot seem to understand why anyone
would do a positive thing, like helping others, just for the very sake of
that. What a cold life some of these dudes must have.
"Hey, you are being nice, - WHATS YOUR PROBLEM!!".
"hey - you are saying nice things - YOU MUST BE GETTING PAID".
LOL, man, I dont know whether to feel sorry for these types, or laugh at
them.
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Dave Riker
averypsy...@aol.com (AVeryPsychicMale) wrote:
>
>Does human mating change so often that someone should have to constantly
>revise
>their material?
The teachings eveolve, gor,w get better, all the time. Ross takes feedbacl
from his HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SATISFEID CUSTOMERS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD
and uses that to make the materials even better.
Tats right guys, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS.
And yet, guys get all willy in here becuase 4 people bitch about Ross.
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Dave Riker
>
>Am I going to get an answer to my fuc*king question or not?
As the material evolves, Ross tyopically creates a new home study course
about every year or so. The materials get better and better.
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Dave Riker
averypsy...@aol.com (AVeryPsychicMale) wrote:
>
>Oh sure, just ask the women! Oh wait, you can't really be HONEST with them
>about what you're doing, can you? Great foundation for an "incredible
>connection." Keep babbling, Brooke.
LOL! Thats WRONG. I HAVE told women about it - in fact I have shown them
the tape of me speaking at a seminar! LOL
I find that the most interesting, intelligent, and SECURE women, the ones
which truly know the have something to offer a man, think its Great.
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Dave Riker
averypsy...@aol.com (AVeryPsychicMale) wrote:
>
>You sound like an infomercial for Ross now. Funny how you got loud just as
>Oedipus was getting quiet.
Yes, god forbid someone actually has something nice to say, with no profit
motive. OH GOD what is this world coming to! LOL
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Dave Riker
>The SS course is pretty complete in itself. There a hell of alot of
>info to go through when taking the course. There is a monthly
>newsletter that does up date things. Also they have a busy mailing list
>which is on topic and more real time. Really I don't need any more
>material than I have now. I am learning the basic method and then
>changing it to fit my style. The really new stuff is being invented by
>myself - for myself. The better I get at it, the more stuff I invent to
>fit the person or situation I am sarging in.
Ah - very good. See - this is one key of the later SS teachings, finding a
way to triuly make SS YOURS, so that you create a style that really works
for YOU. So, its not about "just saying some patterns", as much as it is,
changing who you are to an extent, and finding ways to usee the SS tools to
PRESENT who you are in a better way.
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Estes
wrote:
Hey Riker......does the CEO of Ford make threats to post customers
name, address and phone # to the internet if they have the audacity to
complain?
Estes
wrote:
>In article <20001030160746...@ng-mj1.aol.com>,
>averypsy...@aol.com (AVeryPsychicMale) wrote:
>
>>The same logic that has me and a few others I'm sure wondering why you
>>devote
>>so much time to what is essentially the PROMOTION of SS when you have no
>>stated
>>profit motive for doing so.
>
>Uh, maybe he wants to just HELP people.
>
>Maybe he sees the VALUE of it.
>
>Maybe he actually likes Ross, and wants to help him.
>
>Jeez - it is SO sad, these gus who cannot seem to understand why anyone
>would do a positive thing, like helping others, just for the very sake of
>that. What a cold life some of these dudes must have.
>
>"Hey, you are being nice, - WHATS YOUR PROBLEM!!".
>
>"hey - you are saying nice things - YOU MUST BE GETTING PAID".
Well, as in the case of Odious he was givin free admission to
seminars in return for his services here in this NG before he ran away
with his tail tucked bettween his legs.
Estes
wrote:
>
>Som,e guys think that if they buy a car, that means, that forever, they can
>walk into the showroom any day, drink the free coffee, eat the free
>doughnuts, and proceed to make demands on the sales staff, stand in the
>lobby, get loud, whine when their every wittle need is not met, whine some
>more, and then when the dealership asks the guy to leave the showroom, the
>guy whines "oh, so THIS is how you treat your customers".
Riker, I ask AGAIN.....Does Ford threaten to post their paying
customers address and phone # to the internet if they have a
complaint?
>LOL, ok, thats a stretch, but I think you get my point.
Ross Jeffries threatening to get someones *personal* information from
his customer database and post it here is NOT a stretch. He admitted
just the other day that he did it.
averypsyc...@my-deja.com
to monks and seminarians to insure them a life of CELIBACY....
Dave Riker
>
>Well, as in the case of Odious he was givin free admission to
>seminars in return for his services here in this NG before he ran away
>with his tail tucked bettween his legs.
Maybe he just is too busy actually meeting women.
Something some of these all-too-frequent posters should think about doing..
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Dave Riker
> Riker, I ask AGAIN.....Does Ford threaten to post their paying
>customers address and phone # to the internet if they have a
>complaint?
No, they call the cops and tell him to get out of the showroom. LOL
Hey, did Ross actuallu POST the info? I think not.
Anyway - who cares? Why dont you go, .. uh, . hmmm.. auh . meet some women?
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Dave Riker
>
>Hey Riker......does the CEO of Ford make threats to post customers
>name, address and phone # to the internet if they have the audacity to
>complain?
No, he just has crazy loons that show up in the corporate offices ranting
and raving .. arrested.
Hm, lets see .... HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PAYING CUSTOMERS THROUGHOUT THE
WORLD WHO HAVE KEPT THEIR PRODUCTS......
and like 4 wittle boys on newsgroup who whine.
LOL
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Estes
wrote:
>In article <20001030162946...@ng-fc1.aol.com>,
>averypsy...@aol.com (AVeryPsychicMale) wrote:
>
>>
>>Oh sure, just ask the women! Oh wait, you can't really be HONEST with them
>>about what you're doing, can you? Great foundation for an "incredible
>>connection." Keep babbling, Brooke.
>
>LOL! Thats WRONG. I HAVE told women about it - in fact I have shown them
>the tape of me speaking at a seminar! LOL
>
Do you speak at these seminars for FREE or do you recieve
compensation from Jeffries?
Don't lie now either.....
Estes
wrote:
>In article <39fe51f9...@news.usit.net>, Ma...@nowhere.net wrote:
>
>>
>>Hey Riker......does the CEO of Ford make threats to post customers
>>name, address and phone # to the internet if they have the audacity to
>>complain?
>
>No, he just has crazy loons that show up in the corporate offices ranting
>and raving .. arrested.
So......Riker, anyone who has a complaint is a "Crazy Loon"?
Dave Riker
> Do you speak at these seminars for FREE or do you recieve
>compensation from Jeffries?
>
>Don't lie now either....
Free.
Honest, now, and every time.
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Estes
wrote:
>In article <39fef260...@news.usit.net>, Ma...@nowhere.net wrote:
LOL!!! Yeah right!!!!
Aaron R. Kulkis
>
> In article <39fe52d6...@news.usit.net>, Ma...@nowhere.net wrote:
>
> >
> >Well, as in the case of Odious he was givin free admission to
> >seminars in return for his services here in this NG before he ran away
> >with his tail tucked bettween his legs.
>
> Maybe he just is too busy actually meeting women.
Wrong.
He publicly admitted that he was leaving because someone did to
him what Ross was threatening to do to a customer.
>
> Something some of these all-too-frequent posters should think about doing..
You mean ... Like Odious...before he got chased away...
BWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHA
>
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Unix Systems Engineer
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http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
Aaron R. Kulkis
Spot the contradiction.
whois...@my-deja.com
effective
> product with great information in it.
>
> But that doesn't mean ALL new innovations go there. Ross has a
student
> named Bishop who came out with his own product. It contains stuff
that's
> not in the basic course. But I would get the basic course before I
would
> get anything else. (That was just an example.)
>
> Here's another example...4 of Ross's students have a CD each, and Ross
> sells the packet as the "methods and masters" CD set. Yes, it has
stuff
> that's not in the basic course. But still, I'd rather have the basic
> course, and you'd need the basic course to understand the rest of the
> stuff anyway.
Yeah that's how I got into it. I bought one of the cds and I loved the
info contained. I have alot of experiance with the certain skill the CD
was about and it pretty much mirrored my experiance and then gave me
some new tips I would NEVER see here and great perspective on this type
of sarging (threesomes). Also I didn't know it at the time til a
friend emailed me but... Buying this CD got me also the privalage to
subscribe to the SS list. After reading the SS list for just a couple
weeks I realised how much I was missing by not having the BHSC so I got
it. The BHSC rocks. Also now the material presented on the list is
very understandable.
Scott could if he wanted could just buy one of the less expensive
products and see if this would be something he would want to pursue
further.
works for me
o'greg of one
>
> And really, the basic course is the only material you will ever NEED.
>
> Not that you couldn't become a great seducer just through lots of
trial
> and effort...and from reading the great info on maniac's website.
>
> Does that help?
>
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Scott wrote:
> > Chris,
> > It seems when you ask a question about Rosses course in here it
starts a
> > war....that is why I tried to contact him with the question. All I
wanted to
> > know was if the product is ever updated.
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Chris Odom" <ch...@enteract.com> wrote in message
> >
news:Pine.NEB.3.96.100103...@shell-2.enteract.com...
> > >
> > > FYI I have personally mailed him and not gotten a reply. But I
personally
> > > receive hundreds of emails every day and I don't reply to them
all. I
> > > can't possibly imagine how many emails ROSS gets every day...
> > >
> > > What if someone emails you and says "Hey I want to get your
product...does
> > > it suck? Is it full of old bullshit or should I buy it?" I mean
it's a
> > > dumb, insulting question and if he's got a thousand other stupid
emails to
> > > browse through...
> > >
> > > The basic course is updated every few years. I have the one that
came out
> > > in '96 and it is AWESOME. EVERYTHING is in there. If you don't
get it,
> > > well, your loss.
> > >
> > > For your information, Speed Seduction is constantly being improved
and
> > > updated, by Ross and by his students. They have a constant
dialogue going
> > > on at the ss private mailing list. If you want to get all the
latest
> > > info, get on that list. The only way on the list is to buy a
product,
> > > FYI.
> > >
> > > I'm wondering why you emailed him with such a question before
asking it
> > > here?
> > >
> > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Scott wrote:
> > > > Estes,
> > > > I can see your point...I have heard all this. And don't think
much of
> > it.
> > > > But what really concerns me is that I e-mailed him asking these
> > questions
> > > > about his courses. I mean like a customer standing in-line.
Never got a
> > > > reply.I have to admit it made me step back and consider. Has
anyone here
> > > > ever e-mailed him and got no response?
> > > >
> > > > NOT TRYING TO START A FLAME
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Estes" <Ma...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:39fdde17...@news.usit.net...
> > > > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:45:14 -0600, Chris Odom
<ch...@enteract.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I believe Ross does release new versions of it when
warranted...also
> > > > there
> > > > > >are newsletters, a private email list, and other products for
sale.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I'm curious why the age of the product is more important to
you than
> > the
> > > > > >effectiveness of the product?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >If it's ineffective, I wouldn't want it no matter how new it
is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >It it's effective, I *would* want it no matter how old it is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >So I'm curious what logic I am missing?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey Chris.....why don't you tell him about how Ross threatened
to look
> > > > > up some guys personal information in his customer database and
post it
> > > > > on the internet just because the guy was complaining about how
the
> > > > > e-mail list was being run?
> > > > >
> > > > > You have been helped......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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>
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Seduction is so simple and yet we make it so complicated.
Scott
<whois...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8tps4v$f38$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
ErosLA77
>From: whois...@my-deja.com
>Date: Wed, Nov 1, 2000 11:49 AM
>Message-id: <8tps4v$f38$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>
>
>> But that doesn't mean ALL new innovations go there. Ross has a
>student
>> named Bishop who came out with his own product. It contains stuff
>that's
>> not in the basic course.
Correct...
B
>> Here's another example...4 of Ross's students have a CD each, and Ross
>> sells the packet as the "methods and masters" CD set. Yes, it has
>stuff
>> that's not in the basic course.
Exactly. Now,if I were the power-mad, control-freaking ego maniac the idiots
on this NG insist that I am, would I allow students to get up and teach their
OWN stuff much less sell products FEATURING them and THEIR own innovations and
unique applications of SS?
I'd be claiming ALL of the credit for myself, wouldn't I?
Do you think a grandiose mot-ard like Ray Ray Gorgon Porker would EVER give
another person credit? Or Aaron Kookis, another certified Newsloon?
Case closed.