Why the Anthrax Mailings Stopped
J
(Please feel free to add to this list.)
1. He died.
2. He ran out of Anthrax.
3. He is physically incapacitated. (Ill or injured)
4. He is lying low waiting for the heat of the investigation to diminish.
5. He is on the run - unable to use his laboratory.
6. His secret mailing spot has been compromised and he is seeking another.
7. The timing between attacks is a strategic move by the killer who will
make his next strike.
8. He is brewing more Anthrax and it's not ready yet.
9. He is experimenting in search of new and better envelopes, etc.
10. He is in custody. (As one of the FBI's "Usual Suspects"?)
11. He has a hacker mentality and is waiting for the authorities to get
their defenses in place so he can play at the next level.
12. His use of Anthrax did not work as he had intended and he has given up
on further attempts.
13. His mission has been accomplished.
Ed Lake
As far as I'm concerned, #13 says it all. He accomplished his mission. He
has no reason to do another mailing.
Ed
http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/
Anomymous
plagued with guilt?
J
"His use of Anthrax did not work as he had intended and he has given up on
further attempts."
Anomymous <ptou...@ptouch.net> wrote in message
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wired_and_tired
that were to also mail letters from all around the U.S. were in custody (the
round up that occurred after 9/11) were unable to meet their contacts and
procure the spores that they were supposed to mail?
"J" <je...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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- Vox Populi ©
"J" <je...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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14. She couldn't afford the Postage increase.
15. The US Postal service actually did it to drive down mail
volume so they could then raise the rates again.
16. She is working on a recombinant SmallPox/Ebola/Tularemia
chimera virus which would be much more fun to watch in action.
17. Israel already scared the USA into blind, absolute support of their genocide
against the Palestinians, no need to waste more of their stock
of weapons of mass destruction.
Maurice
Your list looks very good except perhaps for:
"6. His secret mailing spot has been compromised and he is seeking
another."
Most any similar spot (away from cameras and witnesses) would be
equally, if not, more secure.
Indeed, it's surprising that he would he mail from Trenton a second
time, given that the FBI might have already set up surveillance of
mailing sites in the area (with discovery of the first mailing and
postmark having predated the October 9 mailing).
Is he stupid? (Probably not, as the profile seems right that he is
rational and calculating).
Is he from the Trenton area and lacking transportation? (That would
make him stupid as it would be a simple matter to go, for example, to
NYC, Connecticut, Pennsylvania etc.) Is there anyone familiar with the
area to confirm whether there is public transportation that would make
it a simple matter?
Did he like aspects of the area that would confound authorities
(biotech/pharmaceutical/proximity to both DC and NYC)? (Very possibly,
and this may have helped to confound investigators). Rather than
looking for someone with obvious ties to New Jersey, maybe they should
focus on the physical transportation aspect and not the ties. Dropping
an envelope into a mailbox doesn't require much familiarity with the
area. (Nor does the one return address require that he was familiar
with the area.) We're all familiar with many areas that wouldn't show
up on our resume. (Remember those road trips you used to take to visit
that old beau?)
Is he in some way limited by transportation infrastructure? Is there
something about his lifestyle that limited his options (such as being
limited in the times that the travel could be explained)? Did he have
travel to that area -- or DC or NYC -- that otherwise provided a
cover? What transportation modes have they checked? Bus? Train?
Rental car (to include car rentals at the relevant airports)? E-Z
passes? This guy would be driving, it would seem.
Living alone without a roommate, did he just hop in his car from D.C.,
NYC, or somewhere in the middle of the night, returning before light?
(They may never catch him if this last possibility is the case and he
paid cash for any gas he needed).
***
I'd recommend a new possibility as an entry: "6. Believes he has
come under FBI scrutiny in one fashion or another, and intends to take
no further criminal action because of the risk of capture." (with
this being distinct from the "lying low under the heat diminishes"
entry).
Here's a question: if so few scientists were known to be able to
accomplish the billion-spore concentration (actually, none supposedly
were), would someone known to be able to do it ... do it?
Why would you rob a bank if you were among the only two dozen people
who could have robbed the bank? Didn't he know he had superior
product?
J
I'll try to condense that idea into one sentence.
Melissa
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They have given this person a stern warning that they better stop or
it will be impossible to continue to
protect them. This person has top secret info that would malign our
leaders. An arrest would
expose too much information.
Melissa
Satujinn
18. It's actually Pox VopuLIE and he can't get both hands off his
dick long enough to brew up another batch.
19. Again It's Pox VopuLIE and he's so busy spewing bullshit on the
usenet he's been unable to brew up more.
J
Using the bar code, the FBI checked all the possible public mailboxes and
associated mailbags and found no trace of Anthrax.
Observing the findings of those who searched for the Leahy letter, there is
no question that Anthrax would have been found at the point of entry into
the postal system.
That point remains a mystery.
Your suggested revision is the equivalent of my points #4 and #12.
I have no idea why you think that the number of scientists is so low.
Maurice <maurice...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ed Lake
> You obviously are not on top of the subject.
> Using the bar code, the FBI checked all the possible public mailboxes and
> associated mailbags and found no trace of Anthrax.
> Observing the findings of those who searched for the Leahy letter, there is
> no question that Anthrax would have been found at the point of entry into
> the postal system.
> That point remains a mystery.
J,
I think you're totally wrong on that. It's not a mystery at all. It takes
time and handing for the anthrax spores to move through the envelopes.
For each individual letter, the anthrax was placed onto the letter paper and
the letter paper was then folded in the "pharmaceutical fold", which has been
used for centuries to SAFELY dispense drugs.
The folded letter containing the anthrax was then placed into an envelope.
The envelope was then dropped into the mail box.
So far, there is little significant cause for the anthrax to move through the
folded letter and the envelope. And there is little reason for the mail boxes
to show anthrax.
Then the envelopes arrived at the postal facility where they were stacked and
run through various sorting machines. The machines squeezed, unsqueezed, bent
and unbent the envelopes. They go through rollers that cause them to snake
their way through equipment, bending the letters as they change directions,
etc. THAT was the process that caused the anthrax to work its way through the
folded letters and through the envelopes.
Then the envelopes were stacked together with other envelopes, and squeezed and
unsqueezed again as machines and people handled stacks of letters. Postal
clerks pick up stacks of letter and move them to trays. Mail carriers pick up
stacks of letters and put them in their mail pouches and portable trays. When
handling the stacks of letters, it was like putting a wet sponge next to a dry
sponge and squeezing them both. That's how the cross-contamination occurred.
It is NOT a big mystery that there was no anthrax in the mail boxes. IMO
But it's a good question that I should add to my web site. Thanks.
Ed Lake
(snip)
>
> p.s. I'm not following what you and Mr. Lake are saying about
> mailboxes. I was just wondering why the guy went back to Trenton a
> second time (and then got off subject in yet another overlong post).
>
> While I'll have to get a citation for you, I believe they have a found
> a mailbox that tested positive for anthrax. In a residential area.
> Woman carrier. But without revisiting the question, I can't be sure.
Maurice,
I do not believe that they have located the exact mail box where the
letters were mailed - but I think one mail carrier did come down with
anthrax, and they may suspect the mail box was on her route.
I just updated my web site with a new section about how the terrorist got
the anthrax from the vial into the envelopes without killing himself AND
how he got the letters into the mailbox without contaminating the mail
box. That new information is here:
http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/spores.html#glovebx
Maurice
I was misremembering Dr. Block's speech reported in the Dallas Morning News.
The "Political Subplot" article stated:
"Only about 200 researchers participate in the U.S. program, Dr.
Block said, and fewer than 50 would have possessed the knowledge and skills
needed to produce the high-purity spores."
Maurice
One of the letters to DC arrived wet, right? (You'll have to refresh
my recollection as to the details).
There's a wonderful webpage that tells you the amount of rain on a day
by day basis. (Sorry I don't have the link; but if you find it, you
click the map on the location of your interest and look for the
monthly chart).
It didn't rain at all on September 17 or 18 in Trenton, New Jersey
(I'll speculate that the perp mailed in darkness the night of
September 17, at sometime after dusk).
But it did rain some days later in DC (and much of the rain -- I think
40%) that month fell on that day).
So it's reasonable to suppose it got wet on arrival.
But apart from water in the anthrax, can they test the water on the
envelope to see if it's rain water from some place other than in DC.
(See generally the WSJ, March 26 article on testing the water).
As for the mailing on the 17th or 18th, note that the airplanes had
just got up and running. Though starting a couple of days earlier,
for the first couple of days, only a relatively small percentage of
flights were flying. It was about the 17th when the perp could have
caught a flight. Maybe the rainwater would indicate his origin.
Maurice
believe that several hundred agents from the FBI and the U.S. Postal
Inspection Service converged on a single mail route in West Trenton,
where a postal carrier contracted cutaneous anthrax.
The unidentified worker came down with the disease on Sept. 27. The
woman
was at work on Sept. 17 and 19, but not on Sept. 18, when the letter
to Brokaw was postmarked.
There were differing accounts yesterday about a specific mailbox from
West Trenton that the FBI has taken away to test for
traces of anthrax. Ridge said "the FBI has been able to identify the
site where the letters were mailed" -- an apparent reference to
aspecific mailbox. But FBI officials said later that no such
conclusion had been made.
The FBI officials said the mail carrier identified a mailbox that may
have held the Brokaw letter. One law enforcementofficial said the
carrier remembered the envelope because it featured unusual, childlike
handwriting and was addressed to a television celebrity.
But Dan Mihalko, a spokesman for the postal inspectors, said there are
no collection boxes on the sick carrier's mail route. He said another
carrier may have identified the box being tested by the FBI.
One FBI official said investigators are also examining a box used to
sort mail at the West Trenton post office.
But I don't think any of this furthers analysis, because the
perpetrator could just as easily drive by any collection box in the
country (provided there are no cameras and witnesses) and simply drop
it in. There's nothing magical about Trenton. Which brings one back
to the question: Why did the perp go back to Trenton the second time?
Note that the FBI says they haven't identified the mailbox. But that
doesn't mean they haven't. When she tested positive on September 27,
they could have had surveillance of her route set up the next day.
Robert Ames
--
Robert Ames
J
Your speculation is just that - speculation.
Exercising the diaphragms that were the envelopes could have happen many
times before they left the mailbag at the post office. Just some of them:
Squeezing by the perp during filling.
Squeezing by the perp during sealing.
Squeezing by the perp while gathering for transport.
Bouncing as they are transported from lab to mailbox.
Squeezing and bouncing as they are dropped into the mailbox.
Cycling air as other mail is dropped onto them in the mailbox.
Squeezing and bouncing as the mail carrier removes them from the mailbox.
Bouncing as the bag is thrown into the truck.
Bouncing as they are being transported to the post office.
Bouncing of the bag as it is moved from truck to dock, dock to cart, cart to
work station, and finally dumped at the workstation.
Surely a few spores would have escaped.
Ed Lake <det...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> J wrote:
>
> > You obviously are not on top of the subject.
> > Using the bar code, the FBI checked all the possible public mailboxes
and
> > associated mailbags and found no trace of Anthrax.
> > Observing the findings of those who searched for the Leahy letter, there
is
> > no question that Anthrax would have been found at the point of entry
into
> > the postal system.
> > That point remains a mystery.
>
> J,
>
> I think you're totally wrong on that. It's not a mystery at all. It
takes
> time and handing for the anthrax spores to move through the envelopes.
>
> For each individual letter, the anthrax was placed onto the letter paper
and
> the letter paper was then folded in the "pharmaceutical fold", which has
been
> used for centuries to SAFELY dispense drugs.
>
> The folded letter containing the anthrax was then placed into an envelope.
>
> The envelope was then dropped into the mail box.
>SNIPPED<
J
The Daschle envelope got wet somehow; the official photograph shows the
address has been blurred. (I should say wetted because water wouldn't blur
it if the ink were not water-soluble.) It wouldn't surprise me that a
startled office worker spilled a soda on it.
However, I don't think that there is any evidence that the Anthrax inside
was ever dampened. Just the contrary, it was free-floating and not
agglomerated.
If all mailings used the same stock, then there is evidence that the Anthrax
in the first mailings, your rain dates, were somehow dampened. But, there is
no apparent wetting of those envelopes.
The FBI has never released complete descriptions of what was found.
BTW high humidity could cause the dampening. Check your "wonderful webpage"
for RH at Trenton, NYC and Boca Raton on Sep. 14-18.
Maurice <maurice...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ed Lake
I agree that it's just speculation. But it makes sense. Your suggested ways
that the anthrax should have escaped the envelopes prior to arrival at the
postal facility are possible - but only if the perp was careless and if the
anthrax was able to move through the paper as easily as you assume.
However, no anthrax was found in any mailbox. So, it appears that your scenario
didn't happen. I am speculating about what seems to have happened; your
speculation is an attempt to explain why it couldn't have happened that way.
The reason for your speculation escapes me. Are you attempting to prove that
the letters weren't mailed?
Even if a few spores did escape, that doesn't mean they would be found weeks
later.
Ed
http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/
Ed Lake
> I have a question related to the mailing.
>
> One of the letters to DC arrived wet, right? (You'll have to refresh
> my recollection as to the details).
(snip)
Maurice,
No, none of the letters arrived wet. The Sept. 18 letter to The New York
Post was intitially tossed out as being a hoax. In the trash it got wet.
When it was dug out of the trash weeks later, the anthrax inside
reportedly looked like "Dog Chow". Two people who dug it out of the
trash came down with cutaneous anthrax. Check my page on Kathy Nguyen for
details: http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/nguyen.html
Maurice
tested. In the Wall Street Journal article dated March 26, 2002 that
I've cut-and-pasted (the article was based on information provided by
the FBI), the FBI reports:
"One test being conducted by a national laboratory determines the
ratio of atomic isotopes in a particular element in the powder. The
investigators said the ratio varies depending on where the element
comes from; isotopic
properties of hydrogen and oxygen in rainwater, for example, vary
depending on the water's geographic location.
Water particles likely are present in the anthrax concoction, but the
investigators declined to identify the element in question."
So the investigating scientists disagree with you, I believe, as to
whether
water particles likely are present.
But thank you for finding the weather page (if that's it; I'll check)
and also for pointing out what, from your description, would be a
mistake as to the dates I was remembering. The same "didn't rain in
New Jersey" applies and I'll walk you through the dates with the
requested links as authority. But it applies to the letter that
arrived wet with the address smudged.