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R.J.Goldman

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Jun 20, 2003, 5:39:06 AM6/20/03
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leaving in a couple of days to busy for the NG's for now.
See you all when I get back
Tel Aviv here I come


Rob

Ariel

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Jun 20, 2003, 11:00:13 AM6/20/03
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"R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<2yAIa.19638$uH2....@fe10.atl2.webusenet.com>...

have a good trip RJ
What you're doing is beautiful, simply sublime.
more Jews/Israelis should follow your noble example.
I, for one, would love to do something similar, but reasources aren't
as buoyant and I don't want to be a burden for our state of Israel.
Anyways, have a good one and see if you can send a few terrorist
vermin to meet their whores in 'paradise'....oh wait, Sharon won't let
you, so you'll probably have to limit yourself to cleaning those
tanks, remove Israelis from their homes in Judea and Samaria and drink
lots of Goldstar.
Cheers
Ariel

Don Ocean

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Jun 20, 2003, 4:04:09 PM6/20/03
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"R.J.Goldman" wrote:

Ah ...Solid peace and quiet....There is a God!  ;-)
Those Jews sure can be noisey..
 

Howard Aubrey

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Jun 20, 2003, 5:04:38 PM6/20/03
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"R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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TRANSLATION.... my visitors visa has expired again, so I no
longer qualify for US welfare. Back to Israel to mooch off of
some relatives and the $$$$$$$$$$ sent there by the USA until
I can come back to the USA again and get back on the government
teat.


Rob

Moocher and idiot


Chinga La Migra

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Jun 20, 2003, 5:06:53 PM6/20/03
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"R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<2yAIa.19638$uH2....@fe10.atl2.webusenet.com>...

Fighting in a foreign army can cause possible loss of US citizenship,
clearly your allegiance is with Jews and not us Amer-I-CANs!

If we do not hear from you we shall take it that you met with a
homicide-bomber!

Remember, the Zionists have a land on this Earth where they belong -
in the Dead Sea!

Cheers!

Binyamin Dissen

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Jun 20, 2003, 5:15:56 PM6/20/03
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On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:39:06 -0400 "R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

:>leaving in a couple of days to busy for the NG's for now.


:>See you all when I get back
:>Tel Aviv here I come

I hope that you will be a conscientious objector if ordered to perform a
transfer of Jews.

--
Binyamin Dissen <bdi...@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com

Ed

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Jun 20, 2003, 5:43:36 PM6/20/03
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"R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Good luck, be careful, and come back soon.


alan rigg

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Jun 20, 2003, 6:40:32 PM6/20/03
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"R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Don`t be mistaken as a peace activist
or stand near Palestinian homes.
>
>
>


Jack Wagner

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Jun 20, 2003, 10:43:37 PM6/20/03
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Good Luck. Keep your eyes open, gear on and your head down.


"R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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...@...

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Jun 20, 2003, 10:56:25 PM6/20/03
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"Jack Wagner" <wag...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Good Luck. Keep your eyes open, gear on and your head down.

if he keeps his head down he wont be able to see all them illegal anti-peace
settlers he`ll be moving out
hahaha

Tilly

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Jun 20, 2003, 11:45:41 PM6/20/03
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Binyamin Dissen wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:39:06 -0400 "R.J.Goldman"
> <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>> leaving in a couple of days to busy for the NG's for now.
>>> See you all when I get back
>>> Tel Aviv here I come
>
> I hope that you will be a conscientious objector if ordered to
> perform a transfer of Jews.


Says Benji who doesn't want peace at any price!

Tilly

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climb...@hotmail.com


Tilly

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Jun 21, 2003, 12:48:43 AM6/21/03
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Keep safe and keep smiling RJ.
See ya when you get back.

Tilly

--
climb...@hotmail.com


Yissaskhar Ben-Tzion

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Jun 21, 2003, 1:54:09 AM6/21/03
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Chinga_...@usa.com (Chinga La Migra) wrote in message news:<a788e0c1.03062...@posting.google.com>...


> Fighting in a foreign army can cause possible loss of US citizenship

He is an Israeli, so fighting in the IDF is NOT fighting in a foreign army for him.

> Remember, the Zionists have a land on this Earth where they belong -
> in the Dead Sea!

You do realise of course that the Dead Sea isn't land?

-Yissaskhar

Adam Helberg

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Jun 21, 2003, 2:30:14 AM6/21/03
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"R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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I second Deborah's comment--main thing is you come back safe.


Adam


Captain America ex-warhol

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Jun 21, 2003, 1:29:50 PM6/21/03
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"Yissaskhar Ben-Tzion" <tziy...@email.com> wrote in message
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a futur promissed land where jews belong

Captain America ex-warhol

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Jun 21, 2003, 1:30:50 PM6/21/03
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"Ed" <nes...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:2dqdnde6FNY...@comcast.com...

>
> "R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:2yAIa.19638$uH2....@fe10.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > leaving in a couple of days to busy for the NG's for now.
> > See you all when I get back
> > Tel Aviv here I come
> >
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
>
> Good luck, be careful, and come back soon.
>
In a bodybag

Captain America ex-warhol

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Jun 21, 2003, 2:33:17 PM6/21/03
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"R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> leaving in a couple of days to busy for the NG's for now.
> See you all when I get back
> Tel Aviv here I come
>
>
> Rob
>
>
What ?????????????
When you will do a post , make sure there is a point ! it makes it a lot more enjoyable for the
reader !

Ed

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Jun 21, 2003, 4:42:18 PM6/21/03
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"Captain America ex-warhol" <War...@act.now> wrote in message
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A very good point, captain. Which is why you're going into the crapper
right away. You are truly disgusting, and you have no right to call
yourself a human being.

Good riddance.............. PLONK


Chinga La Migra

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Jun 21, 2003, 4:44:53 PM6/21/03
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tziy...@email.com (Yissaskhar Ben-Tzion) wrote in message news:<9e0bc9b6.03062...@posting.google.com>...

> Chinga_...@usa.com (Chinga La Migra) wrote in message news:<a788e0c1.03062...@posting.google.com>...
>
> > Fighting in a foreign army can cause possible loss of US citizenship
>
> He is an Israeli, so fighting in the IDF is NOT fighting in a foreign army for him.

It's the US perspective that counts, as US law is applied. Say I were
a dual-citizen of Iraq and America and I went to Baghdad to fight for
Saddam v. America - since I am an Iraqi, as well as an American, and,
under your language am "NOT fighting in a foreign army" would I be a
traitor nonetheless?

If the US Gov't got wind of Mr. Goldman's activities he would likely
be presumed to have lost his US citizenship (of course he gives a fuck
about America, he only cares for Israel anyway, so no loss to him).



> > Remember, the Zionists have a land on this Earth where they belong -
> > in the Dead Sea!
>
> You do realise of course that the Dead Sea isn't land?

The Jews could be kept at the bottom of it, where there is land - an
improvement from Hitler's ovens to boot!

> -Yissaskhar

Stephen Gallagher

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Jun 21, 2003, 10:09:45 PM6/21/03
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Chinga_...@usa.com (Chinga La Migra) wrote in message news:<a788e0c1.03062...@posting.google.com>...
> tziy...@email.com (Yissaskhar Ben-Tzion) wrote in message news:<9e0bc9b6.03062...@posting.google.com>...
> > Chinga_...@usa.com (Chinga La Migra) wrote in message news:<a788e0c1.03062...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> > > Fighting in a foreign army can cause possible loss of US citizenship

Yes, but it requires an intention of giving up US citizenship.

The Immigration and Nationality Act says:
A person who is a national of the United States whether by
birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily
performing any of the following acts with the intention of
relinquishing United States nationality -

(followed by the list of acts that may cause loss of nationality).

If no intention of relinquishing US nationality exists then it isn't lost.

Stephen Gallagher

Yissaskhar Ben-Tzion

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Jun 21, 2003, 10:22:00 PM6/21/03
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Chinga_...@usa.com (Chinga La Migra) wrote in message news:<a788e0c1.03062...@posting.google.com>...

> > He is an Israeli, so fighting in the IDF is NOT fighting in a foreign army for him.


>
> It's the US perspective that counts, as US law is applied.

As an Israeli citizen, one could as easily argue that Israeli
perspective is the one that counts and Israeli law is applied.

> Say I were a dual-citizen of Iraq and America and I went to Baghdad to fight > for Saddam v. America

That is a bit different --- Israel and the US are not at war and are
not even enemies.

> under your language am "NOT fighting in a foreign army" would I be a
> traitor nonetheless?

No, you definitely would be...because you fought in an *ENEMY* army.

> If the US Gov't got wind of Mr. Goldman's activities he would likely
> be presumed to have lost his US citizenship

Last I checked, the US stopped caring about serving in allies' armies.

> (of course he gives a fuck about America, he only cares for Israel anyway, > so no loss to him).

How nice for you to speak for him...

> > > Remember, the Zionists have a land on this Earth where they belong -
> > > in the Dead Sea!
> >
> > You do realise of course that the Dead Sea isn't land?
>
> The Jews could be kept at the bottom of it, where there is land - an
> improvement from Hitler's ovens to boot!

You're a sick antisemite, you know that?

-Yissaskhar

Binyamin Dissen

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Jun 21, 2003, 11:09:59 PM6/21/03
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:45:41 +1200 "Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

:>Binyamin Dissen wrote:

Why is it the reformed, while sitting in the safety of their gated communities
outside of Israel, always so glad to cause pain to religious Jews inside of
Israel and throw such religious Jews out of their homes?

Don Ocean

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Jun 22, 2003, 2:48:47 AM6/22/03
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Stephen Gallagher wrote:

Okay then? What is the law on dual citizenship??  And why are certain nationalities
allowed dual citizenship and all the rest are not.. And for your information...There is
a story way back in our history of a Man who was stripped of his citizenship for
that exact reason.. Spent the rest of his life riding a prison ship as he had no other
Nationality..And was not allowed back on our soil...
 

Don Ocean

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Jun 22, 2003, 2:52:47 AM6/22/03
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Stephen Gallagher wrote:

I almost forgot...A lot of Americans fought with Canada and England during
WWII before we were engaged in that war...Some of them were released
from the American Military to volunteer for that duty.. But they were given a
special dispensation...Not by the President...But by the Congress of the United
States of America..  The precedence was set by US volunteers in WWI. Maybe
even before?????
 

Don Ocean

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Jun 22, 2003, 3:02:12 AM6/22/03
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Yissaskhar Ben-Tzion wrote:

While I don't totally agree with this fellows dispostion of the Jewish folks...I do however
feel dual citizenship for the Jews is a travesty to the true American. And an obvious
conflict of interest. Israel is not always our friend and I do get the feeling that should
the Jewish nation achieve a stature of power...That their interest in the US will be for
profit only! American military have died in defense of this small nation...You would
think that they would respect our contributions to their independance...But at times
it appears not! The Jewish lobby gets much more attention then our own down-home
citizens... That will change. When our liberal communist money grubbing pols
get their crap in a group...Mostly Democrats..
 

Don Ocean

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Jun 22, 2003, 3:04:16 AM6/22/03
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Binyamin Dissen wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:45:41 +1200 "Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> :>Binyamin Dissen wrote:
>
> :>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:39:06 -0400 "R.J.Goldman"
> :>> <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> :>>>> leaving in a couple of days to busy  for the NG's for now.
> :>>>> See you all when I get back
> :>>>> Tel Aviv here I come
>
> :>> I hope that you will be a conscientious objector if ordered to
> :>> perform a transfer of Jews.
>
> :>Says Benji who doesn't want peace at any price!
>
> Why is it the reformed, while sitting in the safety of their gated communities
> outside of Israel, always so glad to cause pain to religious Jews inside of
> Israel and throw such religious Jews out of their homes?

Someone has to pay the price for peace in the ME!!

Tilly

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Jun 22, 2003, 3:07:11 AM6/22/03
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Could you please post in plain text.
It is very bad usenet ettiquette to use HTML.

Tilly

--
climb...@hotmail.com


Tilly

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Jun 22, 2003, 3:10:44 AM6/22/03
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Binyamin Dissen wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:39:06 -0400 "R.J.Goldman"
> <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>> leaving in a couple of days to busy for the NG's for now.
>>> See you all when I get back
>>> Tel Aviv here I come
>
> I hope that you will be a conscientious objector if ordered to
> perform a transfer of Jews.

What else would one expect to hear from a follower of new Kach.

Tilly

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climb...@hotmail.com


Don Ocean

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Jun 22, 2003, 3:24:55 AM6/22/03
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Thank you for pointing that out...I was not aware that I was..Correction
made.. ;-)
>
> --
> climb...@hotmail.com

George

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Jun 22, 2003, 3:23:08 AM6/22/03
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"Howard Aubrey" <howard...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:2yAIa.19638$uH2....@fe10.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > leaving in a couple of days to busy for the NG's for now.
> > See you all when I get back
> > Tel Aviv here I come
> >
> >
> > Rob
> >
> TRANSLATION.... my visitors visa has expired again, so I no
> longer qualify for US welfare. Back to Israel to mooch off of
> some relatives and the $$$$$$$$$$ sent there by the USA until
> I can come back to the USA again and get back on the government
> teat.
>
>
> Rob
>
> Moocher and idiot
>
>

He has duel citizenship, dork.

George

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Jun 22, 2003, 3:21:42 AM6/22/03
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"R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> leaving in a couple of days to busy for the NG's for now.
> See you all when I get back
> Tel Aviv here I come
>
>
> Rob
>
>

Good luck.

George

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Jun 22, 2003, 3:25:08 AM6/22/03
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"Stephen Gallagher" <sgall...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> Chinga_...@usa.com (Chinga La Migra) wrote in message
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> > tziy...@email.com (Yissaskhar Ben-Tzion) wrote in message
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> > > Chinga_...@usa.com (Chinga La Migra) wrote in message
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> > >
> > > > Fighting in a foreign army can cause possible loss of US citizenship
>
> Yes, but it requires an intention of giving up US citizenship.


He has duel citizenship.

Stephen Gallagher

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Jun 22, 2003, 7:37:31 AM6/22/03
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> While I don't totally agree with this fellows dispostion of the Jewish folks...I do however
> feel dual citizenship for the Jews is a travesty to the true American. And an obvious
> conflict of interest. Israel is not always our friend and I do get the feeling that should
> the Jewish nation achieve a stature of power...

You make it sound like dual citizenship is only allowed or specially allowed
by the US for Israel. In fact, the US does not prohibit dual citizenship with any
country.

Stephen Gallagher

Binyamin Dissen

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Jun 22, 2003, 9:49:57 AM6/22/03
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:02:12 -0500 Don Ocean <oc...@amerion.com> wrote:

[ snipped ]

:>While I don't totally agree with this fellows dispostion of the Jewish folks...I do however


:>feel dual citizenship for the Jews is a travesty to the true American.

Not dual citizenship in general.

Just dual citizenship for JOOOOOOOOOOZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

Thanks for making it quite clear.

[ snipped ]

Binyamin Dissen

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Jun 22, 2003, 9:49:58 AM6/22/03
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:04:16 -0500 Don Ocean <oc...@amerion.com> wrote:

:>Binyamin Dissen wrote:

:>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:45:41 +1200 "Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

:>> :>Binyamin Dissen wrote:

:>> :>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:39:06 -0400 "R.J.Goldman"
:>> :>> <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

:>> :>>>> leaving in a couple of days to busy  for the NG's for now.
:>> :>>>> See you all when I get back
:>> :>>>> Tel Aviv here I come

:>> :>> I hope that you will be a conscientious objector if ordered to
:>> :>> perform a transfer of Jews.

:>> :>Says Benji who doesn't want peace at any price!

:>> Why is it the reformed, while sitting in the safety of their gated communities
:>> outside of Israel, always so glad to cause pain to religious Jews inside of
:>> Israel and throw such religious Jews out of their homes?

:>Someone has to pay the price for peace in the ME!!

What about the reformed who live in gated communities? I have no problem if
they have to pay the price.

Chinga La Migra

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Jun 22, 2003, 5:03:13 PM6/22/03
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sgall...@rogers.com (Stephen Gallagher) wrote in message news:<64faa06d.03062...@posting.google.com>...

> Chinga_...@usa.com (Chinga La Migra) wrote in message news:<a788e0c1.03062...@posting.google.com>...
> > tziy...@email.com (Yissaskhar Ben-Tzion) wrote in message news:<9e0bc9b6.03062...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Chinga_...@usa.com (Chinga La Migra) wrote in message news:<a788e0c1.03062...@posting.google.com>...
> > >
> > > > Fighting in a foreign army can cause possible loss of US citizenship
>
> Yes, but it requires an intention of giving up US citizenship.
>
> The Immigration and Nationality Act says:
> A person who is a national of the United States whether by
> birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily
> performing any of the following acts with the intention of
> relinquishing United States nationality -
>
> (followed by the list of acts that may cause loss of nationality).
>
> If no intention of relinquishing US nationality exists then it isn't lost.

Wrong mate, the categories are divided into "rebuttable presumptive"
and "non-presumptive" losses of citizenship, serving in a foreign
(NON-US for you Zionists) military is the former.

> Stephen Gallagher

Chinga La Migra

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Jun 22, 2003, 5:03:27 PM6/22/03
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sgall...@rogers.com (Stephen Gallagher) wrote in message news:<64faa06d.03062...@posting.google.com>...

Wrong mate, the US does NOT recognise dual citizenship (though it is
quasi-official State Dep't policy to look the other way)!

> Stephen Gallagher

Don Ocean

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Jun 22, 2003, 10:19:47 PM6/22/03
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I suggest you reread those laws Stephen.. And dual citizenship is not
a good idea for any country... By the way I already have given
historical quotes.
I have a suspicion that there is more to your response... Would you like
to
come clean and lets us in on your motives..??

Don Ocean

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Jun 22, 2003, 10:21:09 PM6/22/03
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Are you nuts....!! You just agreed with me! Has Hell froze over? What?
>
> > Stephen Gallagher

Don Ocean

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Jun 22, 2003, 10:28:20 PM6/22/03
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Binyamin Dissen wrote:
>
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:02:12 -0500 Don Ocean <oc...@amerion.com> wrote:
>
> [ snipped ]
>
> :>While I don't totally agree with this fellows dispostion of the Jewish folks...I do however
> :>feel dual citizenship for the Jews is a travesty to the true American.
>
> Not dual citizenship in general.
>
> Just dual citizenship for JOOOOOOOOOOZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
>
> Thanks for making it quite clear.

Ah Yes ...A Zionist with an agenda!! Dual citizenship is a travesty. You
cannot
depend on the loyalty of one who already has split loyalties. That was a
nice shot
at throwing a discrimination dart. The antisemite tag is really great
from a semite
that hates and kills other semites(arabs,etc). Also it is obvious that
that self-same
semite has no tolerance for gentiles(or that not nice word.."Goyem"). So
buzz off!!
Come back when you have developed empathy for others and are willing to
see Israel
settle up with their Semitic half-brothers.

Tilly

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Jun 22, 2003, 11:49:51 PM6/22/03
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Don you are still using HTML.
What news reader are you using?

Tilly

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climb...@hotmail.com


Tilly

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Jun 22, 2003, 11:53:21 PM6/22/03
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Benyamin shows himself for who and what he really is. A dirtbag.

Tilly
climb...@hotmail.com


Binyamin Dissen

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Jun 23, 2003, 12:18:18 AM6/23/03
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:53:21 +1200 "Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

:>Binyamin Dissen wrote:

:>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:04:16 -0500 Don Ocean <oc...@amerion.com>
:>> wrote:

:>>>> Binyamin Dissen wrote:

:>>>>>>> Binyamin Dissen wrote:

When the reformed "Tilly" who lives in a gated community demands that
religious Jews pay the price, s/he claims to be noble. But when the screw is
turned, exposes his/her true colors.

Don Ocean

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Jun 23, 2003, 12:44:05 AM6/23/03
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I just checked my feedback and its text and text only..i wonder if the
Berlin news server is
html...??

Tilly

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Jun 23, 2003, 12:52:48 AM6/23/03
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Binyamin Dissen wrote:
>
> When the reformed "Tilly" who lives in a gated community demands that
> religious Jews pay the price, s/he claims to be noble. But when the
> screw is turned, exposes his/her true colors.

I will tell you once again.
I am neither Reformed nor do I live in a gated community.
I am sure that Reformed Jews are charmed at your wish to see them dead.

Tilly

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climb...@hotmail.com


Binyamin Dissen

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Jun 23, 2003, 1:16:06 AM6/23/03
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:52:48 +1200 "Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

:>Binyamin Dissen wrote:

:>> When the reformed "Tilly" who lives in a gated community demands that
:>> religious Jews pay the price, s/he claims to be noble. But when the
:>> screw is turned, exposes his/her true colors.

:>I will tell you once again.
:>I am neither Reformed nor do I live in a gated community.

So you assert.

But your statements prove otherwise.

:>I am sure that Reformed Jews are charmed at your wish to see them dead.

Oh, I see.

You wish the religious Jews in Israel be killed, and thought that I was
suggesting the reformed like you who live in gated communities be killed??

And I thought you merely wished that the religious Jews in Israel be driven
off of their lands, and I was offering the same to your reformed
coreligionists who like you live in gated communities.

The question then becomes - why are you so eager to see the religious Jews in
Israel be murdered?

Tilly

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I have no desire whatsoever to see Orthodox Jews murdered.If they get
themselves killed whilst being evicted from land they have occupied
illegally, (according to the Israeli government) they have only themselves
to blame.
Some of us realise that compromises have to be made for peace. According to
polls by far the majority of Israelis do too.It is hard core new Kach
supporters like yourself ,who don't like it and aren't prepared to
compromise ,who are as much a barrier to peace as the fundamentalists on the
Palestinian side of the fence.

Tilly
climb...@hotmail.com


Quant

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"Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<vqxJa.45820$JA5.7...@news.xtra.co.nz>...

According to the Israeli government and the Israeli law system the
illegality is only due to the "law of planning and construction",
meaning that houses were built without getting construction
permissions. The Government can turn all the illegal outposts to legal
in one minute, it's only a formal bureaucratic (but also politic)
issue. There isn't any illegality according to the international laws
Israel signed commited to.

Tilly

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They are illegal and the buildings are illegal. They are also a huge barrier
to peace.

Tilly

--
climb...@hotmail.com


Binyamin Dissen

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Jun 23, 2003, 9:18:25 AM6/23/03
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:49:41 +1200 "Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

:>Binyamin Dissen wrote:

:>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:52:48 +1200 "Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com>
:>> wrote:

:>>>> Binyamin Dissen wrote:

:>>>>> When the reformed "Tilly" who lives in a gated community demands
:>>>>> that religious Jews pay the price, s/he claims to be noble. But
:>>>>> when the screw is turned, exposes his/her true colors.

:>>>> I will tell you once again.
:>>>> I am neither Reformed nor do I live in a gated community.

:>> So you assert.

:>> But your statements prove otherwise.

:>>>> I am sure that Reformed Jews are charmed at your wish to see them
:>>>> dead.

:>> Oh, I see.

:>> You wish the religious Jews in Israel be killed, and thought that I
:>> was suggesting the reformed like you who live in gated communities be
:>> killed??

:>> And I thought you merely wished that the religious Jews in Israel be
:>> driven off of their lands, and I was offering the same to your
:>> reformed coreligionists who like you live in gated communities.

:>> The question then becomes - why are you so eager to see the religious
:>> Jews in Israel be murdered?

:>I have no desire whatsoever to see Orthodox Jews murdered.

Your statement certainly imply otherwise.

:> If they get


:>themselves killed whilst being evicted from land they have occupied
:>illegally, (according to the Israeli government) they have only themselves
:>to blame.

As did the Jews who lived in places the German government called illegal a
mere 60 years or so ago?

Yep, your biases are quite clear, despite your frantic efforts to back pedal.

:>Some of us realise that compromises have to be made for peace.

And I am willing to accept the hard sacrifice of you and your reformed
coreligionists being evicted from your gated communities.

:> According to


:>polls by far the majority of Israelis do too.

Polls in Israel are notoriously unreliable.

1. The questions are phrased by leftists.

2. Most in the religious community ignore them.

:> It is hard core new Kach


:>supporters like yourself ,who don't like it and aren't prepared to
:>compromise ,who are as much a barrier to peace as the fundamentalists on the
:>Palestinian side of the fence.

Only to the reformed is a religious Jew proudly living his life as a Jew in
Israel - an obstacle to peace.

Howard Aubrey

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"George" <geo...@sourpudding.net> wrote in message
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Does that mean he has the right to choose pistols
or swords? You fucking simple minded moron.


The word is 'dual'.

You certainly haven't gotten any smarter, have you
'george'.??

cheers....

HJA

BTW, you and he have something in common, welfare mooching..
>
>
>


Binyamin Dissen

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:06:41 +1200 "Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

:>Quant wrote:

:>>> Binyamin Dissen wrote:

:>>>>>> Binyamin Dissen wrote:

:>>>> So you assert.

:>>>> Oh, I see.

Perhaps some, at the current time.

:> They are also a huge barrier
:>to peace.

So you and various other sympathizers for the cowardly arab moslem cause
assert.

But you will then have to explain why cowardly arab moslems were murdering
Jews even when there weren't any settlements and these areas were, as you wish
to make them again, Judenfrei.

As there wasn't peace even when there weren't settlements it is obvious that
the settlements are not a barrier to peace.

Stephen Gallagher

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> > You make it sound like dual citizenship is only allowed or specially allowed
> > by the US for Israel. In fact, the US does not prohibit dual citizenship with any
> > country.
> >
> > Stephen Gallagher
> I suggest you reread those laws Stephen..

The US laws say nothing about prohibiting dual citizenship.

On top of this I hold both US and Canadian citizenship, so
I know this to be true.

Can you cite which specific law prohibits dual citizenship?

My motives, by the way, are informative. They are to simply
let people know that a US citizen can have citizenship with
any other country, not just Israel, and that there is not, nor
has there ever been any special arrangement that specifically
allowed dual citizenship for Israelis.

Stephen Gallagher

Stephen

Stephen Gallagher

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Jun 23, 2003, 11:22:54 AM6/23/03
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> > You make it sound like dual citizenship is only allowed or specially allowed
> > by the US for Israel. In fact, the US does not prohibit dual citizenship with any
> > country.
> >
> > Stephen Gallagher
> I suggest you reread those laws Stephen..

The US laws say nothing about prohibiting dual citizenship.

alan rigg

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Jun 23, 2003, 11:47:47 AM6/23/03
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"Binyamin Dissen" <post...@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
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Where were you guys in 1967?

Gelaende@muenchen.de Dr.H.Freisler, dipl.ing

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Jun 23, 2003, 1:05:07 PM6/23/03
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he is going to hunt for hamas members as he was told a large amount in
usdollars will be paid for every hamas member child or adult old or young
dead or alive it does not matter

George

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"Howard Aubrey" <howard...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:p9EJa.727$lD5.1...@nnrp1.ptd.net...

>
> "George" <geo...@sourpudding.net> wrote in message
> news:XFcJa.12421$bH3....@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com...
> >
> > "Howard Aubrey" <howard...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:GFKIa.535$lD5....@nnrp1.ptd.net...
> > >
> > > "R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:2yAIa.19638$uH2....@fe10.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > > leaving in a couple of days to busy for the NG's for now.
> > > > See you all when I get back
> > > > Tel Aviv here I come
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rob
> > > >
> > > TRANSLATION.... my visitors visa has expired again, so I no
> > > longer qualify for US welfare. Back to Israel to mooch off of
> > > some relatives and the $$$$$$$$$$ sent there by the USA until
> > > I can come back to the USA again and get back on the government
> > > teat.
> > >
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > Moocher and idiot
> > >
> > >
> >
> > He has duel citizenship, dork.
>
> Does that mean he has the right to choose pistols
> or swords? You fucking simple minded moron.
>
>
> The word is 'dual'.

Whatever.

> You certainly haven't gotten any smarter, have you
> 'george'.??
>
> cheers....
>
> HJA
>
> BTW, you and he have something in common, welfare mooching..
> >

It means he can be in either armed forces he chooses. Many Brits also have
dual citizenship, and are allowed to enlist in the SAS, RAF, Royal Navy,
etc. My cousin is a US Navy Captain in the Chaplain corp. He is currently
assigned to the British SAS, and works for them. Go figure.

Matt A.00 01

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Jun 23, 2003, 4:15:16 PM6/23/03
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Howard check your bank lately? LOL come back as your alter ego madyan67
some more so I can show the new peoplt the proof you are him and he is you.
Is it a real multiple Personality problem or just your liar libeling ways.

How is your wife there days, does she still pay for your internet
connection. Better ask her about the certified letter she signed for and
my lawyer has now informing the two of you we have the PA court order to the
banks to surrender your funds (from both of you) for the libel you committed
against my good wife. LOL

I read you for laughs you are such a clown, too bad I think you to be
emotionally incapable of any fair fight. What happened to the showing up at
my home Twerp. You said you would to finish the fight. LOL. Are you so
affraid of me that you as always chickened out. How do you like that map on
the site about you. Is it accurate in showing where you do live? You see
some friends and I want to take a road trip to Minniapolis later this year.
So we decided to go through PA near where that map shows you to be living.
Thought I could accomodate your desire to do it mano et mano as you put it.
You claimed to be at Rhuetcors Cook Colledge Campus in Piscataway. That
campus is in New Brunswick BTW and so that was another lie from you. An
order of disclosure was served on both their personel and their Registrars
offices and they have absolutely no records for a Howard Aubrey as a Student
or employee or facultie there ever. Why is that Howard the Coward libeling
liar of a Jackass.

So please reply as your other personality mady...@hotmail.com (no such
account there nor is their a howard_aubrey@ hotmail.com (the extra space is
not in the email address but there so the underscore shows up as Howard
tried to make out once that I had a space in the bounced email sent him as a
test. According to MSN the address is a phoney in both cases. They are the
owners of hotmail.com BTW.

Aubrey does have a real email address at ptd.net and I will if needed post
it here for all to know and use to send him any emails they choose to. Note
I do not ask anyone to send him an email, just that anyperson that wants to
will have the information that they need.

hau...@ptdprolog.net is Howard's real email address. This was supplied to
me by the abuse desk at ptd when I called and talked to them as well as the
the CEO's Assistant about his unwanted emails to me.

Erols still say they kicked him off from them due to my sending them a copy
of the Judgement for his Libel on the interent. He claims he left them (a
20 dollar / month service) to ptd.net a (50 dollar service) when by his own
admission he could not afford a car. LOL. Right he really would then spend
$600 a year for connection to the net. He is running out of local
connections that is why he now pays $50 / month for the internet. I only
pay $29.95 for interet and about the same for Digital Cable TV in two rooms.
LOL. That includes all the HBO channels as well as all the free ones in the
plus package.

So Howieeeeeeeeee please post some more as your other self,
mady...@hotmail.com. I get a lot of laughter over it so please do that for
me. Pleeeeeeeeese!

ROFLH at Howard the Coward Aubrey the Libeling SOB. $5000 to date collected
from his accounts. A little at a time I collect to keep the judgement
active in he eyes of the NJ Court. We serve the bank not him you see. One
day his checks will all bounce and he will then relize what happened is me
collecting my money!


--
MattA
mailto:mat...@comcast.net?subject=HepatitusC-Objectives


Matt's Hep-C Story web pages are back at a home. No more drop down ads
to get in your way. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/matta00


Chinga La Migra

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Jun 23, 2003, 7:39:11 PM6/23/03
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Don Ocean <oc...@amerion.com> wrote in message news:<3EF66415...@amerion.com>...

Hey Don, my responses in this newsgroup always aim for justice, in my
view. Disagree all you want with me, but I will agree with you when I
think you are right, regardless if I may loathe any other views you
hold - it's called objectivety.

However, my politics do "flavour" my rhetoric (see e.g., your quabble
with RJ, etc.), but, whilst your are technically right (although,
morally, I can see how one can hold dual-citizenship), on legal
grounds, the US has for long "looked the other way" on
dual-citizenship (and even triple, that I personally will become - 1,
by birth, 2, by US naturalisation, and 3, by acquiring in Oceania,
although once I get that I will renounce US citizenship).

Hell is hot as ever, it is in Southeastern Europe where I am and the
temperatures almost hit 40C every day, whew!

Ed

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Jun 23, 2003, 8:44:48 PM6/23/03
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"Stephen Gallagher" <sgall...@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:64faa06d.03062...@posting.google.com...

The question one has to ask when reading this thread is: Does the person
who is bemoaning "dual citizenship" doing so and applying this only to
American/Israeli citizens, or does this apply to ALL dual citizens, no
matter what the second citizenship is?


Don Ocean

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Jun 23, 2003, 10:06:12 PM6/23/03
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Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
> > > You make it sound like dual citizenship is only allowed or specially allowed
> > > by the US for Israel. In fact, the US does not prohibit dual citizenship with any
> > > country.
> > >
> > > Stephen Gallagher
> > I suggest you reread those laws Stephen..
>
> The US laws say nothing about prohibiting dual citizenship.
>
> On top of this I hold both US and Canadian citizenship, so
> I know this to be true.
>
> Can you cite which specific law prohibits dual citizenship?

Do you remember the Canadian Engineer ..last name Bull that designed
super Cannons for Sadam Hussien? Canada ruled he lost his Canadian
citizen
ship when he took up American citizenship. And America ruled that as
long as
he was only an American citizen...that \the US could prosecute him...He
hauled
cheeks for Belgium...Where he accidently got assassinated by??? Maybe
the Israelis.


>
> My motives, by the way, are informative. They are to simply
> let people know that a US citizen can have citizenship with
> any other country, not just Israel, and that there is not, nor
> has there ever been any special arrangement that specifically
> allowed dual citizenship for Israelis.

Not quite true...The Israeli's seem to be a privileged breed.
Nice try though...Do try harder on your research. The Canadians
that retire to Florida are considered expats and not US citizens.
Do see if you are allowed to hold passports in both nations..
>
> Stephen Gallagher
>
> Stephen

Tilly

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Jun 23, 2003, 11:49:51 PM6/23/03
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alan rigg wrote:
>> Only to the reformed is a religious Jew proudly living his life as a
>> Jew in Israel - an obstacle to peace.

I have told you many times, I am Orthodox and I was raised Orthodox.
However I am a realist. If peace is to be achieved (which is for everyones
benefit) then compromises need to be made on both sides.Removing illegal
settlements and outposts is necessary for this reason .
Benyamin ,other Kach supporters and far right wingers don't actually want
peace ,except on their terms.What would really make them happy happy is the
complete removal of the Palestinians from Judea and Samaria(the West Bank
and Gaza) to other Arab States.
By far the majority of Israelis think differently, and are prepared to live
side by side with a peaceful Palestinian State. They are also prepared to
sacrifice the settlements to help achieve a lasting peace.


Tilly

--
climb...@hotmail.com


Quant

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"Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<XTPJa.47285$JA5.8...@news.xtra.co.nz>...


There is a public support for the removal of small isolated outposts
only.

No ones see Ma'ale Adumim, for example, evacuated or transferred to
Arab control. It's a big city with a lot of children, schools, malls,
industrial zones, 5 minutes from Jerusalem. Most of its citizens are
secular "Yerushalmim".

The same is for Alfei Menashe. Alfei Menashe, 3 km from Kfar Saba, is
seen as an integral part of Gush Dan. Most of the citizens are former
inhabitants of Kfar Saba.

Ariel is populated with 20,000 inhabitants, most of them are very
educated and many work in Israel Aircraft Industries, High Tech
companies in Gush Dan or in the region of the city (yes, there are
high tech industrial zones deep inside the territories).

The Jordan Valley is populated almost only with Jews (and Thailand
workers).

Gush Ezion, the northern Gaza communities, Karnei Shomron, etc.

****
and important:
All the big Jewish towns/cities/clusters of communities inside the
territories could be annexed to Israel without hurting the contiguity
of the future palestinian state. On the contrary, fixing the border
according to the existing demographics is the best solution for
everybody. This is what had been done in the Balkans.
****


>
> Tilly

Stephen Gallagher

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Jun 24, 2003, 8:18:39 AM6/24/03
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> Hey Don, my responses in this newsgroup always aim for justice, in my
> view. Disagree all you want with me, but I will agree with you when I
> think you are right, regardless if I may loathe any other views you
> hold - it's called objectivety.
>
> However, my politics do "flavour" my rhetoric (see e.g., your quabble
> with RJ, etc.), but, whilst your are technically right (although,
> morally, I can see how one can hold dual-citizenship), on legal
> grounds, the US has for long "looked the other way" on
> dual-citizenship (and even triple, that I personally will become - 1,
> by birth, 2, by US naturalisation, and 3, by acquiring in Oceania,
> although once I get that I will renounce US citizenship).

The only potential that the US has for "looking the other way"
is in the instance of a naturalized US citizen who continues
to hold his original citizenship despite the US naturalization
oath's renunciatory statement. Other than that, unless the US
ever legislates that dual citizenship is not permitted,
which they have not done, it is permitted.

Here is a good website that explains the US view on dual
citizenship and points to the relevant parts of US law.

http://www.richw.org/dualcit/

Stephen Gallagher

Mike Shultz

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Jun 24, 2003, 8:25:51 AM6/24/03
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Tilly, Why are you goofing off in New Zealand? Israel needs you to move
there and run for office, they have a serious shortage of sensible people
in their government I understand.

--
Michael C. Shultz
Landers, CA USA
ring...@inbox.lv


Dr.H.Freisler, dipl.ing

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Jun 24, 2003, 10:58:52 AM6/24/03
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>you are a mean low pathetic creature


Binyamin Dissen

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Jun 24, 2003, 12:16:00 PM6/24/03
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:49:51 +1200 "Tilly" <climb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

:>alan rigg wrote:

:>>> Only to the reformed is a religious Jew proudly living his life as a
:>>> Jew in Israel - an obstacle to peace.

:>I have told you many times, I am Orthodox and I was raised Orthodox.

You have asserted that, but your words show the opposite.

Now, if you openly and publicly identified yourself your assertion could be
tested. However, you choose to slink in the shadows of the internet where
many, like you, claim to be Jewish yet post antisemitic and missionary crap.

Why does your assertion have more value?

:>However I am a realist. If peace is to be achieved (which is for everyones


:>benefit) then compromises need to be made on both sides.Removing illegal
:>settlements and outposts is necessary for this reason .

So you assert.

I assert that the reformed like you who like in gated communities like you
need to be driven from their homes for peace to have a chance.

:>Benyamin ,other Kach supporters and far right wingers don't actually want


:>peace ,except on their terms.What would really make them happy happy is the
:>complete removal of the Palestinians from Judea and Samaria(the West Bank
:>and Gaza) to other Arab States.

And you only want peace on your terms, which involves driving religious Jews
from their homes.

:>By far the majority of Israelis think differently, and are prepared to live


:>side by side with a peaceful Palestinian State. They are also prepared to
:>sacrifice the settlements to help achieve a lasting peace.

So you assert.

Don Ocean

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Jun 24, 2003, 7:02:23 PM6/24/03
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Gee, Stephen....I would have thought that you could have come up with a
US Government
website...Such as the Library of Congress...etc. The site you espouse is
privately
owned and by a Canadian... I am sure that every Canadian is expert at US
law and
methodology. Now your friend at that site may or maynot be correct...
That is not
the overwhelming evidence that rules of evidence require.. Thanks for
playing though!

Don Ocean

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Jun 24, 2003, 7:05:46 PM6/24/03
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And if some of the Jewish posts in this group is any indicator...I
heartily
second that motion. Tillie..go forth and make the important difference!

Don Ocean

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Jun 24, 2003, 7:12:33 PM6/24/03
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Biny! Don't ever take up chess...Even an Italian would slaughter you.
But do try to ingest the knowledge that everything has a price.. Now
peace in the Middle east is going to cost dearly. Some one has to make
the
first payment and the second and the third. Israel has the power to be
blessed
as the peacemaker....Or the instigator of Armagedon...!! I think America
has
been very generous in supporting Israels goals over many many years. But
that is
like a college graduate student moving home again and never leaving!!
Its defecate
or get off the pot time!!!!!

Stephen Gallagher

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Jun 24, 2003, 8:41:09 PM6/24/03
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>
> Okay then? What is the law on dual citizenship?? 

The US State Department policy can be found at:
http://travel.state.gov/dualnationality.html

US law does not mention dual citizenship at all. It is
allowed because there is no US law that disallows it.

> And why are certain nationalities
> allowed dual citizenship and all the rest are not..

The only reason that a person could not be a dual
citizen of both the US and another country would be
if the "other" country did not allow it. There is nothing
in US law which says that US citizens may also
hold citizenship in some countries, but not in other countries.


Another website with good information can be found at:
http://www.richw.org/dualcit/

Stephen Gallagher

Stephen Gallagher

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Jun 24, 2003, 8:48:15 PM6/24/03
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Don Ocean <oc...@amerion.com> wrote in message news:<3EF5523F...@amerion.com>...
>  
>
> Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
> > Chinga_...@usa.com (Chinga La Migra) wrote in message news:<a788e0c1.03062...@posting.google.com>...
> > > tziy...@email.com (Yissaskhar Ben-Tzion) wrote in message news:<9e0bc9b6.03062...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > Chinga_...@usa.com (Chinga La Migra) wrote in message news:<a788e0c1.03062...@posting.google.com>...
> > > >
> > > > > Fighting in a foreign army can cause possible loss of US citizenship
> >
> > Yes, but it requires an intention of giving up US citizenship.
> >
> > The Immigration and Nationality Act says:
> > A person who is a national of the United States whether by
> > birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily
> > performing any of the following acts with the intention of
> > relinquishing United States nationality -
> >
> > (followed by the list of acts that may cause loss of nationality).
> >
> > If no intention of relinquishing US nationality exists then it isn't lost.
> >
> > Stephen Gallagher
>
> I almost forgot...A lot of Americans fought with Canada and England during
> WWII before we were engaged in that war...Some of them were released
> from the American Military to volunteer for that duty.. But they were given a
> special dispensation...Not by the President...But by the Congress of the United
> States of America.. 

That is because the requirement that an intention to relinquish
US citizenship when performing certain actions
(like serving in foreign militaries), in order to lose US
citizenship, was only established by
the US Supreme Court in 1967 (Afroyim v. Rusk). Prior to that
date, serving in a foreign military did automatically
cause loss of citizenship. The Afroyim v. Rusk case clarified
that an intention to give up US citizenship was necessary
to lose citizenship. So if, in fact, a dispensation was
granted by Congress as you say, it's because the law prior
to 1967 did allow for loss of citizenship when serving
in the military. It's just not that way any more.

Stephen

Stephen Gallagher

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Jun 24, 2003, 8:55:24 PM6/24/03
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> > > > > Fighting in a foreign army can cause possible loss of US citizenship
> >
> > Yes, but it requires an intention of giving up US citizenship.
> >
> > The Immigration and Nationality Act says:
> > A person who is a national of the United States whether by
> > birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily
> > performing any of the following acts with the intention of
> > relinquishing United States nationality -
> >
> > (followed by the list of acts that may cause loss of nationality).
> >
> > If no intention of relinquishing US nationality exists then it isn't lost.
>
> Wrong mate, the categories are divided into "rebuttable presumptive"
> and "non-presumptive" losses of citizenship, serving in a foreign
> military is the former.

The US will presume that a person does not have intention to
give up his US citizenship when he serves in mandatory
military service in a foreign country.

If he serves in non-mandatory military
services, or if he takes a high level position in a foreign military,
they will neither presume that he intended to keep or give up
his US citizenship. Instead they will view his statements and actions,
and unless they can show an intention to give up US citizenship
he will not lose it.

Stephen Gallagher

Stephen Gallagher

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Chinga_...@usa.com (Chinga La Migra) wrote in message news:<a788e0c1.03062...@posting.google.com>...
> sgall...@rogers.com (Stephen Gallagher) wrote in message news:<64faa06d.03062...@posting.google.com>...
> > > While I don't totally agree with this fellows dispostion of the Jewish folks...I do however
> > > feel dual citizenship for the Jews is a travesty to the true American. And an obvious
> > > conflict of interest. Israel is not always our friend and I do get the feeling that should
> > > the Jewish nation achieve a stature of power...
> >
> > You make it sound like dual citizenship is only allowed or specially allowed
> > by the US for Israel. In fact, the US does not prohibit dual citizenship with any
> > country.
>
> Wrong mate, the US does NOT recognise dual citizenship (though it is
> quasi-official State Dep't policy to look the other way)

If you mean that when a person is a citizen of both the US
and another country, then the US treats him the same as if he
were only a US citizen, that's correct. At the same time,
the US does not prohibit him from also being a citizen
of another country.

No countries recognize dual citizenship, but many
countries, including the US, allow it. That is to say,
countries do not specfically legislate to allow dual
citizenship. They legislate to disallow it, and
in the absence of any legislation to disallow it, it's
allowed by default.
Stephen Gallagher

Stephen Gallagher

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Don Ocean <oc...@amerion.com> wrote in message news:<3EF7B214...@amerion.com>...

> Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> >
> > > > You make it sound like dual citizenship is only allowed or specially allowed
> > > > by the US for Israel. In fact, the US does not prohibit dual citizenship with any
> > > > country.
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Gallagher
> > > I suggest you reread those laws Stephen..
> >
> > The US laws say nothing about prohibiting dual citizenship.
> >
> > On top of this I hold both US and Canadian citizenship, so
> > I know this to be true.
> >
> > Can you cite which specific law prohibits dual citizenship?
> Do you remember the Canadian Engineer ..last name Bull that designed
> super Cannons for Sadam Hussien? Canada ruled he lost his Canadian
> citizen
> ship when he took up American citizenship.

He lost his Canadian citizenship because he became a
US citizen prior to February 15, 1977. Before that date,
Canada would automatically revoke the citizenship of a
Canadian who took another citizenship. That law was
repealed effective Febuary 15, 1977, and a Canadian who
took another citizenship on or after that date did not
lose his Canadian citizenship as a result.


Stephen Gallagher

Don Ocean

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Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
> > > > > > Fighting in a foreign army can cause possible loss of US citizenship
> > >
> > > Yes, but it requires an intention of giving up US citizenship.
> > >
> > > The Immigration and Nationality Act says:
> > > A person who is a national of the United States whether by
> > > birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily
> > > performing any of the following acts with the intention of
> > > relinquishing United States nationality -
> > >
> > > (followed by the list of acts that may cause loss of nationality).
> > >
> > > If no intention of relinquishing US nationality exists then it isn't lost.
> >
> > Wrong mate, the categories are divided into "rebuttable presumptive"
> > and "non-presumptive" losses of citizenship, serving in a foreign
> > military is the former.
>
> The US will presume that a person does not have intention to
> give up his US citizenship when he serves in mandatory
> military service in a foreign country.

There is no mandatory military service in foriegn armies for US
citizens..
Under international law...there is absolutely no enforcement.. Did you
really think that a foreign nation could walk into another country with
a
press gang and impress into military service citizens there? That is
clearly
defined...As we did have a bit of a problem with the English pulling
that stunt
way back in our early history. Therefore that argument is moot!


>
> If he serves in non-mandatory military
> services, or if he takes a high level position in a foreign military,
> they will neither presume that he intended to keep or give up
> his US citizenship. Instead they will view his statements and actions,
> and unless they can show an intention to give up US citizenship
> he will not lose it.

I am sure that our country will look kindly on those that serve in the
militaries
of our sworn enemies... Well..on second thought maybe we will grant them
citizen
status long enough to try them for treason... Oooops! Now just what do
you think
is the definition of treason? ;-p By the way do you remember Canada
granting
asylum to draft dodgers from the USA? And in order to come home again
without
prosecution..A President of the USA had to subvert the citizenship law
and grant
them amnesty by executive order..Albeit an illegal use of the executive
order!
But the countries lawmakers and enforcement looked the other way...And
no they
didn't chnage any laws to allow that to happen again in the future. The
only real
changes in that type of law had only to do with immigrations.. My legal
search path
shows no significant changes in citizenship laws... Look for
yourself...And also
check for court precedences as I have...
>
> Stephen Gallagher

Quant

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Don Ocean <oc...@amerion.com> wrote in message news:<3EF8DAE1...@amerion.com>...

> Biny! Don't ever take up chess...Even an Italian would slaughter you.
> But do try to ingest the knowledge that everything has a price..

Peace also means living peacefully without being evacuated from your
home. For keeping that peace we'll pay the price.

> Now
> peace in the Middle east is going to cost dearly. Some one has to make
> the
> first payment and the second and the third. Israel has the power to be
> blessed
> as the peacemaker....

Tearing off your citiznes from their homes, endangering your security
and hurting your economy is not peace. When the Arabs will understand
that they have not choice but to make "peace for peace" we'll have a
peace agreement.

> Or the instigator of Armagedon...!!

Armagedon? not for Israel. We will complete the security fence
(halving Judea and Samaria into seperate Jewish and Arab parts) and
live in a real peace, not like the one you suggests.


> I think America
> has
> been very generous in supporting Israels goals over many many years. But
> that is
> like a college graduate student moving home again and never leaving!!
> Its defecate
> or get off the pot time!!!!!
>

irrelevant for the subject of the debate.

Don Ocean

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With that attitude...If all Israeli's have that attitude...I will
heartily
recommend that America no longer support your countries misadventures.
And surely Israel shall fall under the weight of its own foolish
actions.
It is at this time being given the opportunity to do great things and to
bring a lasting peace, profitable to all ..peace in the middle east.
You are completely stupid if you think your friends(US) will tolerate
the
destruction of our resources to enable your expansionism. NO MORE DEAD
AMERICANS to further the goals of Israel! What exactly are you going to
do the day all the other countries in that region that you have
alienated
decide to hold a concerted effort at the destruction of Israel. Pop a
nuke?
I don't think that will impress an Islamic world that you have so
happily
killed many of their citizens... And how about their homeless? Yep ..Its
all
about you..isn't it. I have emailed our representatives requesting that
we
no longer veto UN resolutions on Israel. I hope they listen as its time
for
folks like you..that need to learn the hard way...That we...have
empowered you
to be independant. And we don't approve of your recent Nazi type tactics
in
regard to your neighbors. To have good neighbors..You must be good
neighbors.
We have kept your neighbors from obtaining WMD in order that you would
have the
opportunity to instigate a coexistance. But we cannot keep your
neighbors from
these weapons forever.. Make your move now or forever hold your peace.
Your
antigentile attitude toward Americans just might be the undoing of your
country.
Your nieghbors need to also seek viable peaceful solutions to your
mutual problems.
End of discussion...

Quant

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Jun 25, 2003, 11:14:40 AM6/25/03
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Don Ocean <oc...@amerion.com> wrote in message news:<3EF954A6...@amerion.com>...

Fuck off

George

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Jun 25, 2003, 2:47:26 PM6/25/03
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Sorry in advance for the top post. Guys, R.J. has already left, and you are
still talking about this.


"Quant" <sptra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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al953

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"R.J.Goldman" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> leaving in a couple of days to busy for the NG's for now.
> See you all when I get back
> Tel Aviv here I come
>
>
> Rob
>
>
> Good riddance!


al953

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"George" <geo...@sourpudding.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Howard Aubrey" <howard...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:GFKIa.535$lD5....@nnrp1.ptd.net...
> >
> > TRANSLATION.... my visitors visa has expired again, so I no
> > longer qualify for US welfare. Back to Israel to mooch off of
> > some relatives and the $$$$$$$$$$ sent there by the USA until
> > I can come back to the USA again and get back on the government
> > teat.
> >
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > Moocher and idiot
> >
> >
>
> He has duel citizenship, dork.
>
>
> Does that give him the right to duel in israel & the USA?


Stephen Gallagher

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Jun 25, 2003, 4:21:35 PM6/25/03
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Don Ocean <oc...@amerion.com> wrote in message news:<3EF8D87F...@amerion.com>...

That website has many pointers to the US government sites
which have the laws that support the explanations about
the US policy on dual citizenship.

But, if you feel that any of the information that I have
stated is incorrect, then you are welcome to cite the
specific laws which support your claims.

Stephen

Stephen Gallagher

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Jun 25, 2003, 4:27:49 PM6/25/03
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> >
> > The US will presume that a person does not have intention to
> > give up his US citizenship when he serves in mandatory
> > military service in a foreign country.
>
> There is no mandatory military service in foriegn armies for US
> citizens..

There is when he is also a citizen of another country that
does have a mandatory military service. If he does not
serve, and the other country requires him to serve, then
he is breaking that country's law.

Are you saying that a person in such a scenario shouldn't
serve on the basis that there is no way for the other
country to force him to do so? (ie. they can't extradite
him from the US to serve in their military) so he should
refuse to serve?

Stephen

Chinga La Migra

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Jun 25, 2003, 4:58:56 PM6/25/03
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" Dr.H.Freisler, dipl.ing" <Das Gela...@Muenchen.de> wrote in message news:<bd7c2u$3u7$1...@reader10.wxs.nl>...
> > Does that mean he has the right to choose pistols
> > or swords? You fucking simple minded moron.
> >
> >
> > The word is 'dual'.
> >
> > You certainly haven't gotten any smarter, have you
> > 'george'.??
> >
> > cheers....
> >
> > HJA
> >
> > BTW, you and he have something in common, welfare mooching..
>
> he is going to hunt for hamas members as he was told a large amount in
> usdollars will be paid for every hamas member child or adult old or young
> dead or alive it does not matter

Here's hoping Zionist scum like him that betray America meets up with
a "homicide-bomber" that sends his corpse into the Dead Sea where it
belongs!

Don Ocean

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Jun 25, 2003, 7:30:49 PM6/25/03
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I shall be sure to foreward that opinion to several of the pertinent
elected officials!
And I am really impressed with your brilliant retort! ;-p

Matt A.00 01

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Yes Howard the Jackass is lowest of low is he not!
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I am asking for a vote on the new site name dedicated to the Libel
Posts of Mike Shultz.

Suggestions to date that were emailed to me are:
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http://www.(webhost).com/mike_the_troll/ 3) Mike the libeling SOB - -
http://www.(webhost).com/mike_s_libeler/ 4) Post of a libeler --- -
http://www.(webhost).com/mikeeee_boy_libeler/ 5) Samples of libels on
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Or submit a new entry.

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Knesset@junkyard.tk Moshe Yaalon

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Jun 26, 2003, 2:45:05 AM6/26/03
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> is there more of him on the internet ???????????/ why are creatures like
him not locked up in the states ?


BTov

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Chinga_...@usa.com (Chinga La Migra) wrote in message news:<a788e0c1.03062...@posting.google.com>...

smoked lotsa joints lately?

Knesset@junkyard.tk Moshe Yaalon

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Jun 26, 2003, 4:53:21 AM6/26/03
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no pollution of the dead sea. he will be burried with full military honors
in his banana plantation in florida


Howard Aubrey

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"Matt A.00 01" <mat...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Howard check your bank lately?

Yes, thank you, just a little while ago, online. Gaining actually.


LOL come back as your alter ego madyan67
> some more so I can show the new peoplt the proof you are him and he is
you.
> Is it a real multiple Personality problem or just your liar libeling ways.
>
> How is your wife there days, does she still pay for your internet
> connection. Better ask her about the certified letter she signed for and
> my lawyer has now informing the two of you we have the PA court order to
the
> banks to surrender your funds (from both of you) for the libel you
committed
> against my good wife. LOL

What again? You've been claiming this for 6 years or so, do it
or shut up already you idiot.


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=macker+mano+e+mano+group:talk.politics.mideast&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=talk.politics.mideast&selm=B5Ht3.2488%24x04.127327%40typ11.nn.bcandid.com&rnum=1

>
>
>>
> Aubrey does have a real email address at ptd.net and I will if needed post
> it here for all to know and use to send him any emails they choose to.
Note
> I do not ask anyone to send him an email, just that anyperson that wants
to
> will have the information that they need.
>
> hau...@ptdprolog.net is Howard's real email address. This was supplied
to
> me by the abuse desk at ptd when I called and talked to them as well as
the
> the CEO's Assistant about his unwanted emails to me.
>
> Erols still say they kicked him off from them due to my sending them a
copy
> of the Judgement for his Libel on the interent. He claims he left them (a
> 20 dollar / month service) to ptd.net a (50 dollar service) when by his
own
> admission he could not afford a car.

Show where I said that, otherwise you are libeling me LOL!!
I don't have a 'car', but I do own several 'vehicles', nutsy.
But the process server told you my 'car' was in the driveway,
so what kind and color is my 'car'? ROFL!!

LOL. Right he really would then spend
> $600 a year for connection to the net. He is running out of local
> connections that is why he now pays $50 / month for the internet. I only
> pay $29.95 for interet and about the same for Digital Cable TV in two
rooms.
> LOL. That includes all the HBO channels as well as all the free ones in
the
> plus package.

Well guess what nutsy, we have something in common. I have a plan
that includes digital TV and cable modem, something Erols isn't offering
in my region...


>
> So Howieeeeeeeeee please post some more as your other self,
> mady...@hotmail.com. I get a lot of laughter over it so please do that
for
> me. Pleeeeeeeeese!
>
> ROFLH at Howard the Coward Aubrey the Libeling SOB. $5000 to date
collected
> from his accounts. A little at a time I collect to keep the judgement
> active in he eyes of the NJ Court. We serve the bank not him you see.
One
> day his checks will all bounce and he will then relize what happened is me
> collecting my money!


And of course I wouldn't be smart enough to just withdraw it all and
prevent that. in fact maybe I'll continue to keep depositing into it
for you. You're a LULU!!!

QUIT THE BOOZE, IT'S FRYING WHAT'S LEFT OF YOUR
BRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matt A.00 01

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He is only a liar and a libeler, that at best is a civil matter. I do not
say he committed any crimes but I do not say he did not eigther. LOL

Don Ocean

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Jun 27, 2003, 1:14:48 AM6/27/03
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We do not allow foreign military honors in Florida or any othe US state.
And yes there are plenty of Zionist buried there.. The US Government
even helped
a few of them get to the point of needing to be buried..;-p
And by the way Zionists are considered enemies of America... So I guess
the antigentile zionists can expect a cool welcome in the future.

Knesset@junkyard.tk Moshe Yaalon

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Jun 27, 2003, 5:20:25 AM6/27/03
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goldman has a dual citizenship so he is also an american citizen !!!
in my opinion your country is the errand boy of israel


Knesset@junkyard.tk Moshe Yaalon

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Jun 27, 2003, 5:24:19 AM6/27/03
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one of the nicest things in this news group is that a foreigner can learn a
lot of new words
so if somebody would be so kind to explain the word lulo to me andding als
an explanation of the word chump.
thank you


Tilly

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Jun 27, 2003, 5:29:25 AM6/27/03
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Moshe Yaalon wrote:
> goldman has a dual citizenship so he is also an american citizen !!!
> in my opinion your country is the errand boy of israel

Do you think anyone actually cares what your think?

Tilly

--
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madyan67

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Jun 27, 2003, 12:12:27 PM6/27/03
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" Moshe Yaalon" <Mounbt Kne...@junkyard.tk> wrote in message
news:bdh2l1$1dl$1...@reader11.wxs.nl...

Never heard of a lulo, myself. If you mean lulu, it's in the dictionary.
So is chump. Now, the big question is, do you know what a dictionary is?

Mark
>


Knesset@junkyard.tk Moshe Yaalon

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Jun 27, 2003, 12:25:17 PM6/27/03
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> Mark hahahahahahahaha what a good joke. plse note that in this part of the
world we have dictionaries in the english language. hill billies language
not available.only in the usa therefore i posted this question

suggest that a smart guy run for president it will do your country good and
we in europe can continue laughing at you


Matt A.00 01

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Jun 27, 2003, 12:36:36 PM6/27/03
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Tilly wrote:
> Moshe Yaalon wrote:
>> goldman has a dual citizenship so he is also an american citizen !!!
>> in my opinion your country is the errand boy of israel
>
> Do you think anyone actually cares what your think?
>
> Tilly

No one here will think anything you have to say is worth sqaut Libeler Lover

Tilly

You said I threatened Mike DS Shultz.

if you mean the Do Jo that was due to a threat by him to me, "Take it out on
the Street" in American Culture means lets meet on the street or in an alley
and physically fight. My Do Jo thing was about calling his bluff. He
threatened and I responded. That in the eyes of legal systems in the US
puts that on him for instigating a fight.

If you mean the post card, you did not even read the "virus name correctly"
when you and he both claimed I said aids. *H* *C* *V* is the Medically
recognized short name for Hepatitis C Virus, note the Capitalized letters.
LOL

And his so called question I was answering with a Joke would illicit, I am
sure, a Judge laughing that out as evidence in the court and be one more
count of Libel for what I replied to quoted in full in that post (btw).
Mike said, "How many people did you *infect* today." so I joked to push his
buttons back by what I said. It worked he got really afraid, why because he
sees himself capable of it while I would not intentionally pass the virus on
to anyone.

You show your prejudice by not seeing the entire picture and wanting to
conclude what you did. Mike has shown all what he is. Ed told him, as have
most moderates here to date that he is shit. So tell me are you planning to
marry him or what?

Matt A.00 01

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Jun 27, 2003, 1:23:18 PM6/27/03
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Howard use your real name asshole we all have seen the proof that this is
you. LOL on the libeler that I am collecting from and has to lie to pretend
it is not occuring!

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