Why? So Osama Bin Laden can pay Mexican "coyote" smugglers tens of
thousands of dollars to sneak Al-Qaeda terrorists and suitcase nuclear
bombs across the border. Is it it any accident that Bush and Benjamin
Nethanyahu are suddenly talking about the possibility of nuclear
terrorism? Is it any accident that the CFR/Trilateral Comission
controlled news media is now reporting on the possibility of nuclear
terrorism?
WAKE UP PEOPLE. The mushroom cloud is about to go up so the New World
Order can come down.
The Truth - http://www.infowars.com
Patriotic American
I didn't realize patriots were so myopic that Cooper's death would blind the
whole looney bunch of them.
Cooper was a crazy old desert bastard who saw conspiracies behind every
cactus. His stupidity got him killed. He'd rather try to shoot a few cops
than use a public trial to spread his message of paranoia and lunacy.
Like him or hate him the New World Order made Bill Cooper, a U.S. Air
Force and Navy vetran who served in Vietnam, into a martyr.
Patriotic American
Remember Bill Cooper And Behold A Pale Horse
>Like him or hate him the New World Order made Bill Cooper, a U.S. Air
>Force and Navy vetran who served in Vietnam, into a martyr.
Only to a few lunatic fringe nutballs like you.
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"The Government previously stated that there were only 2 places where
Anthrax can be found. In Africa or in the CDC place in Georgia."
- Flagship1 makes a mistake he can't admit to
The murder of Bill Cooper is obviously a Sheriff's Posse Comitatus
operation aimed at creating a martyr and silencing someone who had too
big a mouth for the movement to handle in times like these.
Who shot the Sheriff?
Who shot William Cooper?
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No, you are doing the martyr-making.
What is your interest?
>Bill Coopers murder is obviously a diversion by the New World Order to
>keep Patriots looking away from the issue of the U.S./Mexico Border.
Bill drew his gun and fired on four cops. You do that, you are going
to die.
--
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
On the contrary, Cooper parlayed the NWO mythology into a tidy little
cottage industry. His problem was he started to believe the ludicrous crap
he published. His veteran status is irrelevent. I'm a veteran. People of
many political stances are veterans.
>
> Patriotic American
> Remember Bill Cooper And Behold A Pale Horse
I'll remember "Behold A Pale Horse". I've got a copy on my bookshelf. It
is a poorly written, disjointed, unsubstantiated collection of conspiracy
lunacy and UFO buffoonery. Its just too damn funny to forget.
Back when Mr. Cooper first hit the UFO field about 10+ years (Ufology
is a hobby of mine) I knew he was an idiot. How he died simply proves
my point.
>I'll remember "Behold A Pale Horse". I've got a copy on my bookshelf. It
>is a poorly written, disjointed, unsubstantiated collection of conspiracy
>lunacy and UFO buffoonery. Its just too damn funny to forget.
>
I remember when that nutjob claimed that Galileo was going to cause
Jupiter to turn into a small sun.
>On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 23:13:17 GMT, "Flash Bazbo" <gj...@gfhfhfhf.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I'll remember "Behold A Pale Horse". I've got a copy on my bookshelf. It
>>is a poorly written, disjointed, unsubstantiated collection of conspiracy
>>lunacy and UFO buffoonery. Its just too damn funny to forget.
>>
>
>
>I remember when that nutjob claimed that Galileo was going to cause
>Jupiter to turn into a small sun.
Yeah, the payload of plutonium was supposed to act as a fuse,
and he also pointed out that the driver of Kennedy's limo shot
Kennedy.......I'm not one to think Oswald acted alone, but everyone
knows that shot came from the grassy knowl (sp?)
Don't forget the battle between US and Soviet forces at the secret moon
base.
> > Yeah, the payload of plutonium was supposed to act as a fuse,
> > and he also pointed out that the driver of Kennedy's limo shot
> > Kennedy.......I'm not one to think Oswald acted alone, but everyone
> > knows that shot came from the grassy knowl (sp?)
>
> Don't forget the battle between US and Soviet forces at the secret moon
> base.
Was that Cooper?!?
I recall YEARS ago reading a very long tedious claim that the very
first Space Shuttle flight was involved in a space battle with the
Russians.
I recall there were these audio tapes which could be ordered.
Was that him also?
My friends and I were quite amused.
--- Andy
No matter what the arrest was for it just doesn't make sense to approach
anyone that way unless you intend to kill them.
"Jeremy Reaban" <j...@Xconnectria.com> wrote in message
news:3be9c3b6...@news.connectria.com...
It was in his book but I can't definitely say he originated the story.
Make a martyr of a loudmouth and kill two birds with one stone.
> No matter what the arrest was for it just doesn't make sense to approach
> anyone that way unless you intend to kill them.
Who wants a martyr? Who fears a nutbar's loudmouth? How many reasons can
there be to kill a kook?
>If Mr. Cooper is known to be a gun owner and has publicly stated that he
>would resist arrest and is known to be belligerent, why did the Sheriff's
>office decide to arrest him by drawing him out at night while disguised as
>rowdy teenagers with guns???? This could only be either the stupidest law
>enforcement agency in the country, or a deliberate attempt to engage Bill in
>a gun battle with the intention of killing him.
>
>No matter what the arrest was for it just doesn't make sense to approach
>anyone that way unless you intend to kill them.
I too felt that the tactics used, especially against someone they knew
was completely paranoid is very questionable. You'd think they would
be better trained with all the money flowing law enforcement's way in
the past decade.
Unless the aggrivated assault charge was just an excuse to finally
go after the man who dared call it treason.......
The plan was shitty, the timing (US in fear) is shitty,
they should have had one of Bill's allies phone him and tell
him the straight talk about why he had to seek help and
turn himself in on the assault charge...aren't they that smart?
One thing for sure, somewhere in government shadow land there
are rejoicing stazi happy there is one less ranting patriot lunatic
out there waking people up.........
Prayers to the Cooper & Marinez families........
>
>"jeezeus ! mark" <marx...@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:3be9e142.33811992@news-server...
>> On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 00:03:02 GMT, DrPostman <I...@mysig.emailthere>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 23:13:17 GMT, "Flash Bazbo" <gj...@gfhfhfhf.com>
>wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>I'll remember "Behold A Pale Horse". I've got a copy on my bookshelf.
>It
>> >>is a poorly written, disjointed, unsubstantiated collection of
>conspiracy
>> >>lunacy and UFO buffoonery. Its just too damn funny to forget.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >I remember when that nutjob claimed that Galileo was going to cause
>> >Jupiter to turn into a small sun.
>>
>> Yeah, the payload of plutonium was supposed to act as a fuse,
>> and he also pointed out that the driver of Kennedy's limo shot
>> Kennedy.......I'm not one to think Oswald acted alone, but everyone
>> knows that shot came from the grassy knowl (sp?)
>
>Don't forget the battle between US and Soviet forces at the secret moon
>base.
>
>
.....or, or......lol......the Bilderburg meeting between two
submarines under the Polar Ice Cap.....
I'm going to read my kids a Cooper bedtime story tonight !
And remind them not to shoot at police........
Mother Goose eat your heart out !
What could be a motive to kill a crazy loudmouth?
Who would have that motive?
> Webmaster, in <4ad61f9b...@truefacts.co.uk>, wrote:
> >
> > The whole thing strikes me as a complete setup. I would legitimately defend
> > myself too, if some rowdy teenagers appeared at night.
> >
> > If it was a normal arrest, why the covert operation at night? Why not just
> > get a warrant and go and knock on the door the following morning?
>
> What could be a motive to kill a crazy loudmouth?
He had quite some beef to qualify merely as a "crazy loudmouth".
Just go to his website http://www.williamcooper.com
>
> Who would have that motive?
He was lashing out at many people, in quite drastic way.
For instance, he called "Radio Free America" "Radio Freemasonry", because host
Tom Valentine was (or still is) associated with the Stelle group. In one of
his (taped) broadcasts, available on his website, he delivers some evidence for
this. He also called Alex Jones a coward and a liar and a sensationalist.
I am not suggesting that either of these two gentlemen would have liked
him killed, although, one cannot exclude anything these days.
But it shows how relentless Mr. Cooper has become even towards personalities
in his own "camp".
--
The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are
as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to
secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the
dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far
outweighed the dangers, which are cited to justify it.
President John F. Kennedy
Address to newspaper publishers, April 27, 1961.
The Emperors Clothes http://www.tenc.net
And even then, that wasn't an original idea: he stole it from 2010 (the SF
book by Arthur C Clarke)
Wart
> Bill drew his gun and fired on four cops. You do that, you >are going to
die.
Do you know for a fact he drew first?
Well, I met him a couple times with Stanton Friedman, another UFO kook,
and Bill was just a silly old fellow jawing a harp more than grinding
any axe.
> But it shows how relentless Mr. Cooper has become even towards personalities
> in his own "camp".
Well, now you know who had motive to silence a loudmouth conspiracy
theorist in an attempt to create a martyr.
The warrant served on Cooper was a local warrant. Served at 12:15AM. If
the real big booglers, like CIA or whatever, wanted him dead, he'd just
be dead of a heart attack, car accident or something natural. Whoever
hit Cooper, the local Sheriff's office was the best set-up they could
muster. Suicide by cop, all set-up nice and neat at midnight.
Who knows if he really drew at all?
Bill Jordan was a major trainer of police for firearms instruction. In
his book, No Second Place Winner, is a little story, a parable, about
the importance of keeping a secret throw-away to drop on scene when
needed. That book is used by police firearms trainers throughout North
America. My copy is autographed.
Midnight is an awfully dark time of day.
>"Douglas Berry" <grid...@mindspring.com> wrote in message >
He put a couple of bullets into a cop. Hard to do that when you've be
hit fatally.
How do you know what order all things happened in?
Sure was a strange time of night to serve a warrant of that type.
Wellll..........let's consider the situation.
A self proclaimed patriot who on the internet states he does not recognize
police authority. A gun toting whackjob who has made it clear he will
violently resist any attempt to arrest him. A cantankerous old geezer has
allegedly threatened neighbors with bodily harm.
I would say midnight is a damn good time to lure him away from his stash of
weapons and supplies.
You would?
Do you suppose he takes more of the stash with him in the daytime on the
way to the mall or at midnight while scared?
Oh my GOD!!! The NWO is here!!!! Honey grab the Baygen radio with a
light, Ill get the storable food and my CC Radio. Oh crap make sure
you don't forget my HGH and DR. Duplinskys prostate formula. Check we
are all set, everyone into the bomb shelter. Baaa!!!!!!!!!
Haaaaa!!!!!!!!! I think the simple answer here is if you shoot at the
cops you will probably end up seriously injured or dead basic common
since!!! Can u say DUH!!!!
>
The fact remains that they "knew" his personality and they had to have
known that he'd be a tough catch. Why not simply "dart" him and
be done with it? The powers that be have been working on all this
"non-lethal" weaponry for quite some time now. Cooper would have
been a good candidate, but wait......no, he also would have started
talking about what happened....nope, kill him.....it's the only way to
really shut him up.
Like Waco and Ruby Ridge, they could have thought out the plan
better, but that isn't why it happened. There was more than likely
a purpose behind them doing what they did and how they went about
it.....something none of us will ever know for sure.
What could he have known that would be worth killing him just to shut
him up?
> Like Waco and Ruby Ridge, they could have thought out the plan
> better, but that isn't why it happened. There was more than likely
> a purpose behind them doing what they did and how they went about
> it.....something none of us will ever know for sure.
The county Sheriff's office? The big, bad NWO isn't there. Quite the
contrary.
>jeezeus ! mark, in <3beb177d.26506849@news-server>, wrote:
>>
>> "non-lethal" weaponry for quite some time now. Cooper would have
>> been a good candidate, but wait......no, he also would have started
>> talking about what happened....nope, kill him.....it's the only way to
>> really shut him up.
>
>What could he have known that would be worth killing him just to shut
>him up?
how the hell would I know? I missed his last radio show......
>> Like Waco and Ruby Ridge, they could have thought out the plan
>> better, but that isn't why it happened. There was more than likely
>> a purpose behind them doing what they did and how they went about
>> it.....something none of us will ever know for sure.
>
>The county Sheriff's office? The big, bad NWO isn't there. Quite the
>contrary.
The NWO's presence , the "federalization" of police does exist all
around the country. Just because this was a county operation doesn't
mean that federal approval or support wasn't present.....
>Flash Bazbo, in
><SrDG7.25368$S4.22...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, wrote:
>>
>> I would say midnight is a damn good time to lure him away from his stash of
>> weapons and supplies.
>
>You would?
>
>Do you suppose he takes more of the stash with him in the daytime on the
>way to the mall or at midnight while scared?
What state did this take place in again?
> jeezeus ! mark, in <3beb177d.26506849@news-server>, wrote:
> >
> > "non-lethal" weaponry for quite some time now. Cooper would have
> > been a good candidate, but wait......no, he also would have started
> > talking about what happened....nope, kill him.....it's the only way to
> > really shut him up.
>
> What could he have known that would be worth killing him just to shut
> him up?
Maybe because he was a real stinker. Maybe because he was among the first to
point his fingers at some "personalities" in the patriot movement who are
actually "change agents" for the global socialist takeover.
In http://www.williamcooper.com/majestyt.htm he mentions a few names and a
few of his broadcasts back it up with more beef.
Maybe he ran wild, but my instincts tell me, this guy was honest. Correct me
if I am wrong.
>I'll remember "Behold A Pale Horse". I've got a copy on my bookshelf. It
>is a poorly written, disjointed, unsubstantiated collection of conspiracy
>lunacy and UFO buffoonery. Its just too damn funny to forget.
Perhaps you need to re-read it. It was written as it was to get this
information out to the world, far and wide ASAP, before Cooper could
be stopped, which was a Very Real Concern, as Proven the beginning of
this week. "Behold A Pale Horse" is a Patriot's Primer of information.
Much of it is in a raw form and it's fully Intended that in YOUR OWN
Pursuit of the Truth, and thus DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH, that YOU will
Check it ALL out YOURSELF, using the material Mr. Cooper makes
available there. It's NOT a story book and it's NOT a course text book
either.
You've lost your entertainment value too and became just another
Sheople Manipulated by the NWO.
>Bill drew his gun and fired on four cops. You do that, you are going
>to die.
He had no choice. It was Strictly LIBERTY OR DEATH.
And he chose death. It was not chosen for him, he was not silenced, he
commited suicide by cop.
Kooksign! Alternating caps are a sure indicator.
I bet saliva was running down the side of his mouth
as he typed this.
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"The Government previously stated that there were only 2 places where
Anthrax can be found. In Africa or in the CDC place in Georgia."
- Flagship1 makes a mistake he can't admit to
You plan on doing the same and proving Darwin correct?
>Who shot the Sheriff?
I did.
But I did not shoot the Deputy ...
--
Sincerely Yours,
Jordan
--
>Like Waco and Ruby Ridge, they could have thought out the plan
>better, but that isn't why it happened. There was more than likely
>a purpose behind them doing what they did and how they went about
>it.....something none of us will ever know for sure.
Right. It's not at all possible that a local sheriff's office was incompetent,
underequipped, or simply made a mistake, because that _never_ happens. As we
well know, all police officers are omnicompetent, have any gadget they want
whenever they need it, and can predict the exact outcome of all actions.
>Maybe because he was a real stinker. Maybe because he was among the first to
>point his fingers at some "personalities" in the patriot movement who are
>actually "change agents" for the global socialist takeover.
"Maybe he got on the wrong side of a genetically altered lab mouse and was
silenced as part of that creature's elaborate scheme _to take over the world!_"
"Ooh, narf, good one Brain ... can I make funny balloon animals now?"
"Be quiet, or I shall have to hurt you!"
>He had no choice. It was Strictly LIBERTY OR DEATH.
I think by trying to shoot it out with four cops, he rather strongly picked the
latter of the two alternatives.
>You've lost your entertainment value too and became just another
>Sheople Manipulated by the NWO.
He may be, but as a genuine Atheistic Jew, I want to state that I'm one of the
members of the Conspiracy. And Bill Cooper was actually shot by a sniper from a
black helicopter, a secret orbital laser, and a robotic assassin from our
Buffalo, NY lab. The cop who got shot twice got hit in the crossfire -- that's
the problem with sending _four_ hit teams to kill one guy.
Ah, well, live and learn.
*rolls in pile of money, and returns to making out with blonde Aryan chick*
>Perhaps you need to re-read it. It was written as it was to get this
>information out to the world, far and wide ASAP, before Cooper could
>be stopped, which was a Very Real Concern, as Proven the beginning of
>this week.
My God! The Orbital Mind Control Lasers are affecting your capitalization! Oh,
is there no safety even in the heartland?
Just a question: Is anything in Cooper's book original,or did he
just publish previously published material? If so,why is there a
'mystique' for Cooper?
Solthepaul
> cops
> > > than use a public trial to spread his message of paranoia and lunacy.
> >
> > Like him or hate him the New World Order made Bill Cooper, a U.S. Air
> > Force and Navy vetran who served in Vietnam, into a martyr.
>
> On the contrary, Cooper parlayed the NWO mythology into a tidy little
> cottage industry. His problem was he started to believe the ludicrous crap
> he published. His veteran status is irrelevent. I'm a veteran. People of
> many political stances are veterans.
>
> >
> > Patriotic American
> > Remember Bill Cooper And Behold A Pale Horse
> Just a question: Is anything in Cooper's book original,or did he
>just publish previously published material? If so,why is there a
>'mystique' for Cooper?
>
> Solthepaul
What mystique are you going on about? He was just another
nutjob who wanted the cops to help him die because he was
too much of a coward to take his own life.
Actually, YOU are the one who has been manipulated by radio talk show wackos into
believing there IS a New WOrld ORder. It can't be found becuase it doesn't
exist. I haven't been manipulated, I simply have read everything there is to
read onthe subject, both from your persspective and everyone else's, and your
approach is totally idiotic. THe NWO is a figment of the imagination of a bunch
of conspiracy kooks.
Before that, he had a choice : wave guns in people's faces and threaten
them, or not. He goofed twice, I'd say.
thus speaketh either a useful fool or a CIA operative
>
--
peter
And one who cannot spell, and refuses to admit the existence of spell check.
Probably claims to have "read everything there is to read on the subject"
but finds it (spell check) to be the "imagination of a bunch of conspiracy
kooks".
>thus speaketh either a useful fool or a CIA operative
He hides under you bed at night, you know.
>THe NWO is a figment of the imagination of a bunch
>of conspiracy kooks.
I quite agree - only Kooks would Conspire against their very Oaths of
Office. These Kooks have:
"All of us will ultimately by judged on the effort we have
contributed to building a NEW WORLD ORDER." 1967.
--- Robert Kennedy, Former U.S. Attorney General
"....a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of
cooperation. Out of these troubled times.....a NEW WORLD ORDER
can emerge."
- George Herbert Walker 'Skull & Bones' 'New World Order' Bush
>> He had no choice. It was Strictly LIBERTY OR DEATH.
>
>And he chose death.
No, it was the Enemy who chose his death, he chose Liberty OR Death,
Preferring of course, Liberty.
>It was not chosen for him, he was not silenced, he
>commited suicide by cop.
No, that's what those who Support a Police State are doing.
--------------------------------------------------
If we are found dead it will NEVER be because we
committed suicide. It will be cold blooded murder,
just as they did at Ruby Ridge, The World Trade
Center, Waco, and Oklahoma City.
--- Cmdr William Cooper,
Second Continental Army of the Republic Militia
--------------------------------------------------
>>He had no choice. It was Strictly LIBERTY OR DEATH.
>
>You plan on doing the same and proving Darwin correct?
Liberty or Death and Live Free or Die are the Credos of REAL
Americans.
>Before that, he had a choice : wave guns in people's faces and threaten
>them, or not. He goofed twice, I'd say.
Obviously you've goofed on a choice too, having chosen to believe
LYING SCUMBAGS who will say and/or do ANYthing to Oppose Patriots
Restoring this Nation.
I take that as a yes. Make sure your will is updated.
>Oh my GOD!!! The NWO is here!!!! Honey grab the Baygen radio with a
>light, Ill get the storable food and my CC Radio. Oh crap make sure
>you don't forget my HGH and DR. Duplinskys prostate formula. Check we
>are all set, everyone into the bomb shelter. Baaa!!!!!!!!!
>Haaaaa!!!!!!!!! I think the simple answer here is if you shoot at the
>cops you will probably end up seriously injured or dead basic common
>since!!! Can u say DUH!!!!
>
Don't forget your "colloid silver generator"!!!
No, it was LIBERTY or ARREST & IMPRISONMENT.
I really can't believe how many people stick up for this guy.
Uh-oh, another paranoiac who believes in the boogeyman. Everybody who doesn't buy
into their paranoid delusion of an invisible worldwide enemy that can supposedly take
over the mightiest nation on earth is a tool of the MIB. I'm not a useful fool, but
you are definitely a fool. Ain't no NWO. Ain't gonna be no Trilateral Commission or
Bilderburgs or anybody else gonna parade blue-hatted UN soldiers down our streets
anytime soon. But there are enough wackos on the radio, and in the southwest we have
more than our share, claiming this is the case. Why? Cuz it gets people like you to
listen. And sometimes send money.
Actually, his posts are typically fairly articulate. Looks like he rushed this
one. They appear not to be spelling errors so much as typos. But his point is
still well taken. There IS no NWO. It's that simple.
This is truly pathetic on your part. These were expressions. In Bush's
case, this was his stated wish to build a lasting coalition that would
survive beyond simply defeating Hussein. Unfortunately, it fell apart
within a couple of years. The NWO barely existed to begin with, and at
this point, it's long gone.
Actually, there aren't that many. Mostly freedom@. Most of the others
have drifted away, since their arguments were so transparently misguided.
> Actually, his posts are typically fairly articulate. Looks like he rushed
> this one. They appear not to be spelling errors so much as typos. But his
> point is still well taken. There IS no NWO. It's that simple.
>
Airborne, you are a pity. Part of your problem is that as an English native you
don't know the difference between "Indikativ" and "Konjunktiv". German
is much more advanced in this respect.
How do you know that there *IS* no NWO, while there *may* just be a shadow
governement that runs things in the background.
--
"He who gains most advantage from a crime is the one most likely to
have committed it."
The Roman playwright Seneca
The Emperors Clothes http://www.tenc.net
> airborne <f...@away.com> writes:
>
> > Actually, his posts are typically fairly articulate. Looks like he rushed
> > this one. They appear not to be spelling errors so much as typos. But his
> > point is still well taken. There IS no NWO. It's that simple.
> >
>
> Airborne, you are a pity. Part of your problem is that as an English native you
> don't know the difference between "Indikativ" and "Konjunktiv". German
> is much more advanced in this respect.
>
> How do you know that there *IS* no NWO, while there *may* just be a shadow
> governement that runs things in the background.
Fine. Show it to us. The NWO just plain doesn't exist. It was a phrase used by
the elder Bush to describe something that never even came together. But a shadow
govt? Where? No evidence. I'm big on evidence. Not crackpot theories, not
paranoid fantasies. Evidence.
good
> Not crackpot theories, not
>paranoid fantasies. Evidence.
>
>
then go to Amazon.com and buy "The Globalists" [wrongly listed by amazon
as the globalisT - by Dr. Dennis Cuddy PhD. - former congressional
advisor -
when you have read the catalogue of the NWO you may have learned more
than they taught you in Langley or wherever they taught you that
opprobrium was a good line of debate [e.g. paranoid fantasies]
--
peter
> > Not crackpot theories, not
> >paranoid fantasies. Evidence.
> >
> >
> then go to Amazon.com and buy "The Globalists" [wrongly listed by amazon
> as the globalisT - by Dr. Dennis Cuddy PhD. - former congressional
> advisor -
Cuddy propagates nonsense. His goofy book proves nothing. Appearing on
"Nightwatch" is a joke, that's why it's on in the MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. He thinks
the NWO started in the 1800's. His work gets mucked up by his Christian
fundamentalist tendencies. He's also bought into this crap about peacekeeping
armies being converted to control civilian populations. Guess what? It can't happen
here. We're too damn big. And he also doesn't dig the UN. Fine, it's a bunch of
idiots. But the goofy ass UN can't even feed people or protect its own assets
without scraming for help from us, so don't expect any blue helmets marching down
your street any time soon. The NWO is a dumb ass boogeyman, it doesn't exist. Our
freedom is not in peril from some invisible phantom network.
no, he reports facts -
> His goofy book proves nothing.
the evidence is overwhelming
> Appearing on
>"Nightwatch" is a joke, that's why it's on in the MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
your arguments are all straw men and ad hominum attacks so far - you are
losing it
>He
>thinks
>the NWO started in the 1800's.
I think it started in Genesis.
> His work gets mucked up by his Christian
>fundamentalist tendencies.
whereas your clear view is unencumbered by a necessary moral bottom line
> He's also bought into this crap about peacekeeping
>armies being converted to control civilian populations. Guess what? It can't
>happen
>here.
You think so eh?
> We're too damn big.
By the reaction of your people to the taking away of freedoms since 9-11
I think most of them would go quietly - maybe excepting Texas,
> And he also doesn't dig the UN. Fine, it's a
>bunch of
>idiots. But the goofy ass UN can't even feed people or protect its own assets
>without scraming for help from us, so don't expect any blue helmets marching
>down
>your street any time soon.
There is already a world court, world bank and world trade
organization, there will be a world Army - or are these just cute names?
>The NWO is a dumb ass boogeyman, it doesn't exist.
More invective - less heat please and more light.
>Our
>freedom is not in peril from some invisible phantom network.
>
>
Oh but that is where you are wrong. Anyway any nation which has "In God
We Trust" on its money next to an occultic evil eye shows how discerning
the people are as few complain and if one does he is visited by you and
told to go to room 101.
--
peter
> > > thus speaketh either a useful fool or a CIA operative
> Dan McShane wrote:
> > And one who cannot spell, and refuses to admit the existence of spell
check.
> > Probably claims to have "read everything there is to read on the
subject"
> > but finds it (spell check) to be the "imagination of a bunch of
conspiracy
> > kooks".
"airborne" <f...@away.com> wrote in message
news:3BF1E87F...@away.com...
> Actually, his posts are typically fairly articulate. Looks like he rushed
this
> one. They appear not to be spelling errors so much as typos. But his
point is
> still well taken. There IS no NWO. It's that simple.
Oh Really? And to what entity are the below quotes referring? One big happy
"We Are the World, Children Singing, Global Village," I suppose?
"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in
blood as well as in words and money." Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in "Foreign
Affairs," July/August 1995.
"A colossal event is upon us, the birth of a New World Order." Brent
Scowcroft, George Bush's National Security Advisor, said on the eve of the
Gulf War.
"The Persian Gulf crisis is a rare opportunity to forge new bonds with old
enemies (the Soviet Union)...Out of these troubled times a New World Order
can emerge under a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its
founders." President George Bush, September 11, 1990.
"The world can therefore seize the opportunity (the Persian Gulf crisis) to
fulfill the long held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are
drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of
mankind." President George Bush in his State of the Union Address, January
29, 1991.
"NAFTA is a major stepping stone to the New World Order." Henry Kissinger
when campaigning for the passage of NAFTA.
"Further global progress is now possible only through a quest for universal
consensus in the movement towards a new world order." Mikhail Gorbachev, in
an address at the United Nations, December 1988.
"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or
consent." Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James
Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950.
"Let me control a peoples currency and I care not who makes their laws..."
Meyer Nathaniel Rothchild in a speech to a gathering of world bankers
February 12, 1912. The following year, we subscribed to the "services" of
the newly incorporated Federal Reserve, headed by Mr. Rothchild.
"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me
privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of
commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a
power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so
complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when
they speak in condemnation of it." Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom (1913)
"The world can therefore seize the opportunity [Persian Gulf crisis] to
fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are
drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of
mankind." George Herbert Walker Bush.
"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states
will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such
a great idea after all." Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary
of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.
"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a
giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the
octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At
the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a
small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as
international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers
virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes.
They practically control both political parties." New York City Mayor John
F. Hylan, 1922
"We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this
mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation
states of the world." Professor Arnold Toynbee, in a June l931 speech before
the Institute for the Study of International Affairs in Copenhagen.
"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that
were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't.
Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully
manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations-One
World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of
artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an
unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his
internationalist political support.
"The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up
for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World
revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power.
"The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World
Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call
money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and
their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and
credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal
Reserve Bank." Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My
Exploited Father-in-Law
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial
element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days
of Andrew Jackson." A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st,
l933
"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind
the scenes." Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952
"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by
strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or
the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating
within our government and political system, another body representing
another form of government - a bureaucratic elite." Senator William Jenner,
1954
"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational
consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of
the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission
represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate
the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and
ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a
worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the
nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system, they will
rule the future." U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater in his l964 book: With No
Apologies.
"The Council on Foreign Relations is "the establishment." Not only does it
have influence and power in key decision-making positions at the highest
levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also announces and
uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the
high level decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign Constitutional
Republic into a servile member state of a one-world dictatorship." Former
Congressman John Rarick 1971
"The New World Order will have to be built from the bottom up rather than
from the top down...but in the end run around national sovereignty, eroding
it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal
assault." CFR member Richard Gardner, writing in the April l974 issue of the
CFR's journal, Foreign Affairs.
"If there are those who think we are to jump immediately into a new world
order, actuated by complete understanding and brotherly love, they are
doomed to disappointment. If we are ever to approach that time, it will be
after patient and persistent effort of long duration. The present
international situation of mistrust and fear can only be corrected by a
formula of equal status, continuously applied, to every phase of
international contacts, until the cobwebs of the old order are brushed out
of the minds of the people of all lands." Dr. Augustus O. Thomas, president
of the World Federation of Education Associations (August 1927), quoted in
the book International Understanding: Agencies Educating for a New World
(1931)
"My country's history, Mr. President, tells us that it is possible to
fashion unity while cherishing diversity, that common action is possible
despite the variety of races, interests, and beliefs we see here in this
chamber. Progress and peace and justice are attainable. So we say to all
peoples and governments: Let us fashion together a new world order." Henry
Kissinger, in address before the General Assembly of the United Nations,
October 1975)
"We believe we are creating the beginning of a new world order coming out of
the collapse of the U.S.-Soviet antagonisms." Brent Scowcroft (August 1990),
quoted in The Washington Post (May 1991)
"But it became clear as time went on that in Mr. Bush's mind the New World
Order was founded on a convergence of goals and interests between the U.S.
and the Soviet Union, so strong and permanent that they would work as a team
through the U.N. Security Council." Excerpt from A. M. Rosenthal, in The New
York Times (January 1991)
"...This regionalization is in keeping with the Tri-Lateral Plan which calls
for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward the
goal of "one world government'....National sovereignty is no longer a viable
concept..." Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to President
Jimmy Carter.
"By the end of this decade (2000 AD) we will live under the first One World
Government that has ever existed in the society of nations ... a government
with absolute authority to decide the basic issues of human survival. One
world government is inevitable." Pope John Paul II quoted by Malachi Martin
in the book "The Keys of This Blood"
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right
major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." David
Rockefeller
"But this present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and
interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for long.
Already there are powerful forces at work that threaten to destroy all of
our hopes and efforts to erect an enduring structure of global
interdependence." David Rockefeller, speaking at the Business Council for
the United Nations, September 14, 1994.
"One-fourth of humanity must be eliminated from the social body. We are in
charge of God's selection process for planet earth. He selects, we destroy.
We are the riders of the pale horse, Death." Psychologist Barbara Marx
Hubbard - member and futurist/strategist of Task Force Delta; a United
States Army think tank. The Population Control Agenda.The Timeline
Dan McShane wrote:
> > Actually, his posts are typically fairly articulate. Looks like he rushed
> this
> > one. They appear not to be spelling errors so much as typos. But his
> point is
> > still well taken. There IS no NWO. It's that simple.
>
> Oh Really? And to what entity are the below quotes referring? One big happy
> "We Are the World, Children Singing, Global Village," I suppose?
>
> "We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in
> blood as well as in words and money." Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in "Foreign
> Affairs," July/August 1995.
Proves nothing. He is a writer. He was using Bush's term NWO. Does that prove
one exists? Hardly.
> "A colossal event is upon us, the birth of a New World Order." Brent
> Scowcroft, George Bush's National Security Advisor, said on the eve of the
> Gulf War.
As we keep saying, and you're not listening, he was referring to the coalition
he helped put together to defeat Hussein in Kuwait. It didn't hold together.
Try reading "A WorldTransformed" by Bush and Brent Scowcroft. (c) 1998, Alfred
A. Knopf. Guess what? It's obsolete. The coalition didn't hold together.
Note the hassle we have this time. Only a few nations steadfastly backed us,
the rest were pulledi n kicking and screaming.
> "The Persian Gulf crisis is a rare opportunity to forge new bonds with old
> enemies (the Soviet Union)...Out of these troubled times a New World Order
> can emerge under a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its
> founders." President George Bush, September 11, 1990.
Proves nothing. The rest of your meaningless quotes mention the NWO by name.
Is there proof in any single one of them that a NWO exists? Just because the
term is used by a bunch of different people? NO. Check out hte mess of a hunt
for Bin Laden's money. The Italians, for example. What a mess. The Saudis.
There is no one world money order either, mentioned in your useless quotations.
A bunch of sound bites do not a New World Order make.
You also quote Barbara Marx Hubbard, who, BTW, is a crackpot that nobody takes
seriously.
"Art's Good Twin" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3BF53430...@nowhere.com...
> You quote a bunch of people, but it is all hot air and means nothing.
Let's
> just look at a smattering of the nonsense you've archived here.
"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in
blood as well as in words and money." Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in "Foreign
Affairs," July/August 1995.
"A colossal event is upon us, the birth of a New World Order." Brent
Scowcroft, George Bush's National Security Advisor, said on the eve of the
Gulf War.
"The Persian Gulf crisis is a rare opportunity to forge new bonds with old
enemies (the Soviet Union)...Out of these troubled times a New World Order
can emerge under a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its
founders." President George Bush, September 11, 1990.
"The world can therefore seize the opportunity (the Persian Gulf crisis) to
>You quote a bunch of people, but it is all hot air and means nothing. Let's
>just look at a smattering of the nonsense you've archived here.
Yeah, but but but... ALL those quotes, from ALL those people, saying,
essentially, "We're gonna have us one o' them New World Order
thingies, Real Soon Now, just you wait and see!"
And we are, too. We get a Brand New, New World Order, about every six
weeks, and have for the last 30 years, or so.
--
V.G.
"Guitar smashing doesn't bother me. Some of them _need_ smashing." - Chet Atkins
>Ok, I give, you`re right. I suppose it`s just a mammoth coincidence that
>over the past couple of hundred years so many powerful, well positioned,
>individuals are on record referring to something called New World Order.
You mean, besides the fact that, of all those people, only a few of
those people were using the term in a way that remotely resembles the
way someone else had used it before them? Yeah, I'll go along.
All those powerful people do, in fact, want a New World Order, but
fortunately for us, none of them want the SAME New World Order.
Novus Ordo Seclorum, Dood! It's hiding under your bed, and will jump
out and get you, when you fall asleep. RUN!
> Ok, I give, you`re right. I suppose it`s just a mammoth coincidence that
> over the past couple of hundred years so many powerful, well positioned,
> individuals are on record referring to something called New World Order.
Talking about it and achieving it are two totally different things. Mao Tse
Tung, Stalin, Castro, Ortega, Lenin, Kruschev, and a lotta other people talked
for years about a worldwide socialist order. Ain't happened. People talk about
it, but it hasn't happened. There was a League of Nations, then there wasn't.
There's a United Nations, but it's a flaccid organization too often co-opted by
crappy little states who use it for their own agendas on our bill. Note the
worldwide conference on racism, just before the attacks.
Talk's cheap. It hasn't produced a NWO. Again, lots of quotes, very little
substance.
VG Wrote,
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:04:18 -0500, "Dan McShane"
> dropped trou in alt.fan.art-bell and left
> the following steaming pile:
Hey VG, I thought you had to be 18 to have an ISP acct.
>****** IMMATURE JUVENILE SMART ASS MENTALITY ALERT ******
>
> VG Wrote,
>
>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:04:18 -0500, "Dan McShane"
>> dropped trou in alt.fan.art-bell and left
>> the following steaming pile:
>
>Hey VG, I thought you had to be 18 to have an ISP acct.
>
>
>
<sigh>
1. Leave the thinking to the people who are equipped therefor.
2. I have not yet begun to be juvenile.
3. Crossposting sucks, but is easily fixed.
4. You suck, too, and I'm not just being nice, here.
5. Blow me.
6. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Got it, Dan-Boy?
> >
> > VG Wrote,
> >
> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:04:18 -0500, "Dan McShane"
> >> dropped trou in <snip> alt.fan.art-bell<snip> and left
> >> the following steaming pile:
> >Hey VG, I thought you had to be 18 to have an ISP acct.
VG Wrote,
> 1. Leave the thinking to the people who are equipped therefor.
So you`ll refrain from further posts right?
> 2. I have not yet begun to be juvenile.
Good! Just find a playground somewhere to express your juvenile demeanor.
> 3. Crossposting sucks, but is easily fixed.
Yes VG, you just need to pay closer attention. <insert> alt.fan.art-bell
<insert>
I believe this is alt.conspiracy.new-world-order.
> 4. You suck, too, and I'm not just being nice, here.
I appreciate your sensitivity, really.
> 5. Blow me.
I am impressed! You weren`t just kidding regarding your ability for even
greater juvenile behavior!
> 6. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Oh, very original.