Al Qaeda Says Saddam an Infidel
Scott Cuyler
"Jim McCulloch" <mccu...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
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> "DUBAI (Reuters) - A taped message believed to be from fugitive militant
> Osama bin Laden on Tuesday warned Arab nations against supporting a war
> against Iraq as threatened by the United States -- but branded Saddam
> Hussein an infidel."
>
Lover's quarrel. Happens every time Saddam comes home from a trip without
new lingerie. It'll pass.
Mark Jones
"Scott Cuyler" <sc...@cuyler.org> wrote in message
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The South Park movie with Saddam and the devil as lovers was enough imagery
for me. As much as I hate Saddam, I'll bet with bin Laden he's the "man".
After these mental image pictures my life will not be right again for at
least a week!
Mark Jones
mark_...@relaypoint.net
Mark Jones
"Jim McCulloch" <mccu...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
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> "DUBAI (Reuters) - A taped message believed to be from fugitive militant
> Osama bin Laden on Tuesday warned Arab nations against supporting a war
> against Iraq as threatened by the United States -- but branded Saddam
> Hussein an infidel."
>
>
This seems to lower the likelihood that al-Qaida and Iraq will swap WMD.
Saddam probably thinks al-Qaida would use it on him.
Mark Jones
mark_...@relaypoint.net
H. E. Taylor
<mccu...@mail.utexas.edu> Jim McCulloch wrote:
>
> "DUBAI (Reuters) - A taped message believed to be from fugitive militant
> Osama bin Laden on Tuesday warned Arab nations against supporting a war
> against Iraq as threatened by the United States -- but branded Saddam
> Hussein an infidel."
>
I am increasingly doubtful of the 'email messages' and
'audio tapes' puported to be from bin Laden. He is probably
dead.
<$0.02>
-het
--
"Right now, Washington is teaching the world a very ugly and dangerous
lesson: if you want to defend yourself from us, you had better mimic
North Korea and pose a credible military threat, including WMD."
-Naom Chomsky
Terror War News: http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/terror_war/twartn.html
H.E. Taylor http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/
trumble
> I am increasingly doubtful of the 'email messages' and
> 'audio tapes' puported to be from bin Laden. He is probably
> dead.
>
DGVREIMAN
"Mark Jones" <mark_...@relaypoint.net> wrote in message
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Doug Says: Al-Qaeda is telling all of its allies, and the
entire Islamic world to lay down their lives to protect Iraq from
the Americans. If Al-Qaeda wants its operatives and the entire
Islamic world to protect Saddam, then only a complete drooling
baboon would not interpret that as supporting Saddam or becoming
a partner with Saddam.
OF COURSE Al-Qaeda and Saddam are partners. They are allies
fighting together. We did not care much for General deGaulle
during WWII, but we fought with the free French forces. So were
we "partners" with the French from the German's point of view?
Yes of course. We partners with the free French from the
American point of view? Yes. Were we partners with the free
French from the French point of view? Yes.
Joining forces to fight a common enemy is a "partnership.I posted
the American Heritage Dictionary's definition of "Partners"
below.
part·ner (pärt"n.r) n. 1. One that is united or associated with
another or others in an activity or a sphere of common interest,
especially: a. A member of a business partnership. b. A spouse.
c. Either of two persons dancing together. d. Sports & Games. One
of a pair or team in a sport or game, such as tennis or bridge.
2. Often partners. Nautical. A wooden framework used to
strengthen a ship's deck at the point where a mast or other
structure passes through it. --part·ner v. part·nered,
part·ner·ing, part·ners. --tr. 1. To make a partner of. 2. To
bring together as partners. 3. To be the partner of. --intr. To
work or perform as a partner. [Middle English partener,
alteration (influenced by part, part) of parcener, parcener. See
PARCENER.]
Doug Grant (Tm)
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>
>
Chip C
>
> "Mark Jones" <mark_...@relaypoint.net> wrote in message
> news:IrmdnVQJ4Lc...@vel.net...
> >
> > "Jim McCulloch" <mccu...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
> > news:BA6F214A.49173%mccu...@mail.utexas.edu...
> > > "DUBAI (Reuters) - A taped message believed to be from
> fugitive militant
> > > Osama bin Laden on Tuesday warned Arab nations against
> supporting a war
> > > against Iraq as threatened by the United States -- but
> branded Saddam
> > > Hussein an infidel."
> > >
> > >
> >
> > This seems to lower the likelihood that al-Qaida and Iraq will
> swap WMD.
> > Saddam probably thinks al-Qaida would use it on him.
> >
> > Mark Jones
> > mark_...@relaypoint.net
>
> Doug Says: Al-Qaeda is telling all of its allies, and the
> entire Islamic world to lay down their lives to protect Iraq from
> the Americans. If Al-Qaeda wants its operatives and the entire
> Islamic world to protect Saddam, then only a complete drooling
> baboon would not interpret that as supporting Saddam or becoming
> a partner with Saddam.
>
And anyone other than an idiot would realize that Osama could give
two-shits about Saddam, but for useful idiots like you giving him yet
another war he can use to increase his recruitment. Yes Doug, you are
one of Osama's Useful Idiots.
--
Chip C
Personal site: http://www.chipcom.net/
Christmas Stories: http://www.christmas-stories.com/
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees."
-- Emiliano Zapata
Mark Jones
"Chip C" <ch...@chipcom.net> wrote in message
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I would add that after being called an "infidel" by bin Laden, I think
Saddam is understatedly less than anxious to give bin Laden WMD.
Mark Jones
mark_...@relaypoint.net
vonroach
>And anyone other than an idiot would realize that Osama could give
>two-shits about Saddam, but for useful idiots like you giving him yet
>another war he can use to increase his recruitment.
Ah good old cow chip weighs in. I will call you meadow muffin, it sounds more
dignified, but I detect the tone of a coward in your rhetoric - perhaps it's
time for you to flee and seek safe haven in Canada.
vonroach
wrote:
>I would add that after being called an "infidel" by bin Laden, I think
>Saddam is understatedly less than anxious to give bin Laden WMD.
You then enjoy playing muslim extremist games?
DGVREIMAN
Doug Says: So you believe that Al-Crazy would just "leave us
alone and fade away" if we did not remove Saddam? If you
remember Al-Crazy dictated its terms to stop murdering Americans:
(1) That we abandon Israel (2) that all American's covert to
Islam. It is clear that Al-Crazy is going to attack us
regardless of whether we eliminate one of their main supporters
or not.
Also,when in two successive audio tapes Al-Crazy tells all
Muslims to support Saddam with their lives, somehow, some
delusional way, you interpret that as Al-Crazy is not in
partnership with Saddam? Weeeeoooooo. The only Al-Crazy agents
around here are those that want to do precisely what Al-Crazy
wants them to do, and that is leave Saddam in power.
Doug Grant (Tm)
>
> --
> Chip C
Kel
"DGVREIMAN" <dgg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark Jones" <mark_...@relaypoint.net> wrote in message
> news:IrmdnVQJ4Lc...@vel.net...
> >
> > "Jim McCulloch" <mccu...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
> > news:BA6F214A.49173%mccu...@mail.utexas.edu...
> > > "DUBAI (Reuters) - A taped message believed to be from
> fugitive militant
> > > Osama bin Laden on Tuesday warned Arab nations against
> supporting a war
> > > against Iraq as threatened by the United States -- but
> branded Saddam
> > > Hussein an infidel."
> > >
> > >
> >
> > This seems to lower the likelihood that al-Qaida and Iraq will
> swap WMD.
> > Saddam probably thinks al-Qaida would use it on him.
> >
> > Mark Jones
> > mark_...@relaypoint.net
>
> Doug Says: Al-Qaeda is telling all of its allies, and the
> entire Islamic world to lay down their lives to protect Iraq from
> the Americans. If Al-Qaeda wants its operatives and the entire
> Islamic world to protect Saddam, then only a complete drooling
> baboon would not interpret that as supporting Saddam or becoming
> a partner with Saddam.
What bollocks you talk, Doug. He has called for muslims to overthrow their
corrupt leaders in Iraq, Jordan, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia
and Yemen.
He's interested in the Iraqi people, he doesn't give a monkey's about
Saddam. I don't think we should carpet bomb Iraq and kill thousand of
fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters. That does not make me a supporter of
some foul dictator. Stop seeing the world in black and white, for us or
against - Bush-garbage-speak.
DGVREIMAN
> Mark Jones
> mark_...@relaypoint.net
Doug Says: Al-Crazy is calling for the entire Muslim world to
defend Saddam. And you believe Saddam will not give them his
weapons to help them defend him? HAHAHAHAHAHA. You cannot be
serious. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Al-Crazy, Hamas, Islamic Jihad have
already been supported and armed by Saddam - by Saddam's own
admission. Now that these terrorist organizations have finally
came out in the open stating they want to save Saddam's life, and
keep him in power, that means to you that Saddam is going to now
stop supporting those very organizations that are trying to
protect him? Duh! (Are these guys really this stupid, or is it
an act?)
Doug Grant (Tm)
Kel
More Reiman lies. Not that you abandon Israel, rather that you create a
State of Palestine.
(2) that all American's covert to
> Islam.
Drooling now, Doug, take the pills. Nothing about you converting to Islam,
just a polite request to get your fat asses out of Saudi Arabia where you
prop up an unelcted regime who supply you with cheap oil. Grow a principle.
It is clear that Al-Crazy is going to attack us
> regardless of whether we eliminate one of their main supporters
> or not.
You will actually aid bin Laden by attacking Saddam. You remove one of his
enemies and create thousands more for yourself in the Islamic world, some of
whom will turn to terrorism. I told you over a year ago that you cannot
defeat terrorism militarilly.
>
> Also,when in two successive audio tapes Al-Crazy tells all
> Muslims to support Saddam with their lives, somehow, some
> delusional way, you interpret that as Al-Crazy is not in
> partnership with Saddam? Weeeeoooooo.
He called for the overthrowing of leaders in Iraq, Jordan, Morocco, Nigeria,
Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
That's hardly supporting Saddam. And what's "Weeeeooo"? Are you typing this
from a swing?
ronin
"DGVREIMAN" <dgg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
You really didn't listen to what Bin Laden said, did you?
The message was to the other 24 MILLION people who inhabit Iraq that's
AREN'T Saddam.
US invading Iraq is the best terrorist generator Bin Laden could hope for.
Al Queda was formed in 1990 to OVERTHROW Saddam when he invaded Kuwait! The
Saudis threw his group out of Saudi Arabia because he saw them as a bigger
threat than Saddam.
Do a little reading.
> Weeeeoooooo. The only Al-Crazy agents
> around here are those that want to do precisely what Al-Crazy
> wants them to do, and that is leave Saddam in power.
Saddam is no friend to fundamentalists. He's killed thousands of them over
the years to maintain power.
ronin
You didn't listen to any of the tape, did you, moron?
Chip C
No, I don't agree. If Saddam feels like he is going out, I don't
think he cares who he gives them to, as long as they help him go out
with a bang. The warmongers remind me of the dipshit hunters I used
to guide who thought it was *fun* to corner a bear or a mountain
lion...until they did.
Chip C
You dumbasses that started this shit are the cowards. It's disgusting
to see such a bunch of pussies try to pass themselves off as
Americans.
Chip C
No, I am saying that you dumbasses have given Saddam a reason to help
Osama now, where we really had no reason to before. As I said
before, you all remind me of the dipshit hunters I used to
guide...all gung-ho to corner something until by doing so you give it
no choice but to attack.
No shit Osama is telling his folks to back Iraq, you dipshits are
giving him the war he wants. You people are so fucking stupid I'm
surprised you can find your ass with both hands.
Mr_B...@reservoirdogs.com
>> sounds more dignified, but I detect the tone of a coward in your
>> rhetoric - perhaps it's time for you to flee and seek safe haven in
>> Canada.
>
>You dumbasses that started this shit are the cowards. It's disgusting
>to see such a bunch of pussies try to pass themselves off as
>Americans.
>
Big tough talk there chippie... I'd have expected at least a little bit of
explanation instead of just hot air...
============================
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vonroach
>You dumbasses that started this shit are the cowards. It's disgusting
>to see such a bunch of pussies try to pass themselves off as
>Americans.
Why I believe Meadow Muffin is going to throw a temper tantrum.
DGVREIMAN
"Kel" <oste...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Doug Says: So, where is Al-Crazy's call to overthrow Saddam?
Al-Crazy clearly said that Saddam was to be defended with the
lives of all Muslims. That is a partnership Kel. Not bollocks.
>
> He's interested in the Iraqi people, he doesn't give a monkey's
about
> Saddam. I don't think we should carpet bomb Iraq and kill
thousand of
> fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters. That does not make me a
supporter of
> some foul dictator. Stop seeing the world in black and white,
for us or
> against - Bush-garbage-speak.
Doug Says: Now where did this carpet bombing come from? The
recesses of your wild imagination? We do not need to "carpet
bomb" Iraq to depose Saddam. Further, Al-Crazy said that Iraq
must be defended by all Muslims. Did Al-Crazy call for the
defense of any other Arab country? No. It exclusively and
explicitly called for all Muslims to rise up and help Saddam
defend his country from the Americans. Al-Crazy further called
for the overthrow of all countries that are working with the USA,
and for the defense of all that are enemies of the USA. That
means Saddam, Iran, Libya and Syria are all in partnership with
Al-Crazy and each other. We know Saddam signed deals with Syria
and Libya, and apparently, also made deals with Al-Crazy as far
back as 1995 as was just reported by the WSJ.
Doug Grant (Tm)
>
>
>
>
DGVREIMAN
Doug Says: The six page letter that Al-Crazy sent to Al Jeezera
stated clearly as a condition to stop murdering Americans,
America must "stop supporting Israel." Now if you would like for
me to repost this information, I certainly will be glad to do so.
>
> (2) that all American's covert to
> > Islam.
>
> Drooling now, Doug, take the pills. Nothing about you
converting to Islam,
> just a polite request to get your fat asses out of Saudi Arabia
where you
> prop up an unelcted regime who supply you with cheap oil. Grow
a principle.
Doug Says: Kel, are you now denying that Al-Crazy made these
demands in its six-page letter it delivered to Al-Jeezeria and to
the world? Of course these demands were clear, unmistakable and
explicit. Al-Crazy said that if we wanted it to stop murdering
Americans we needed to comply with two explicit conditions:
1. Abandon Israel.
2. All Americans must convert to Islam.
Now if you deny this Kel, I will be glad to provide about a dozen
sources that will confirm it.
>
> It is clear that Al-Crazy is going to attack us
> > regardless of whether we eliminate one of their main
supporters
> > or not.
>
> You will actually aid bin Laden by attacking Saddam. You remove
one of his
> enemies and create thousands more for yourself in the Islamic
world, some of
> whom will turn to terrorism. I told you over a year ago that
you cannot
> defeat terrorism militarilly.
Doug Says: Kel, terrorism is easy to defeat, we did it in
Vietnam, and we are presently doing in all over the world.
Second, Al-Crazy and Saddam are allies, partners, destroying
Saddam means the assets Saddam is providing terrorists all over
the world will dry up. That is why the Palestinians and Al-Crazy
are trying their best to protect Saddam. Further, once Saddam is
deposed, the truth will emerge about the deals between Saddam and
these terrorist organizations, not to mention his deals with
other Arab states.
>
> >
> > Also,when in two successive audio tapes Al-Crazy tells all
> > Muslims to support Saddam with their lives, somehow, some
> > delusional way, you interpret that as Al-Crazy is not in
> > partnership with Saddam? Weeeeoooooo.
>
> He called for the overthrowing of leaders in Iraq, Jordan,
Morocco, Nigeria,
> Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
>
> That's hardly supporting Saddam. And what's "Weeeeooo"? Are you
typing this
> from a swing?
Doug Says: No swing Kel, just a word that explicitly describes
the quality of your arguments. You are ignoring the fact
Al-Crazy called for the protection of Saddam with the lives of
the radical Muslim faithful. That is a partnership Kel. Saddam
and Al-Crazy are one.
DGVREIMAN
"ronin" <ro...@ree.tv> wrote in message
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Doug Says: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So said Al-Crazy
about Saddam.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Chip C
We already know you to be a well-established coward...which is why
you try to use fear and lies to lure others into your yellow-bellied
ways. Go back to duct-taping your home and leave defending our
country to real men.
DGVREIMAN
Doug Says: "Warmongers?" You mean people that are trying to
defend themselves from tyrants and murderers don't you? Also, if
you like hunting try hunting things that can shoot back, then you
might understand what war is all about. I fought in war, and I
don't like it, and no person in the military wants war because
they are the ones that must fight it. But sometimes war is
necessary, just as necessary as killing a rabid lion or bear.
Doug Grant (Tm)
DGVREIMAN
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:37:10 GMT, vonroach allegedly wrote...
>
> > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:00:18 GMT, Chip C <ch...@chipcom.net>
wrote:
> >
> > >And anyone other than an idiot would realize that Osama
could give
> > >two-shits about Saddam, but for useful idiots like you
giving him yet
> > >another war he can use to increase his recruitment.
> >
> > Ah good old cow chip weighs in. I will call you meadow
muffin, it sounds more
> > dignified, but I detect the tone of a coward in your
rhetoric - perhaps it's
> > time for you to flee and seek safe haven in Canada.
> >
>
> You dumbasses that started this shit are the cowards. It's
disgusting
> to see such a bunch of pussies try to pass themselves off as
> Americans.
>
American combat veteran. I doubt if I am a "pussy." At least
the men that followed me into combat didn't think so. Our
Congress has voted to depose Saddam with military force if
necessary. Our Congress did not say we needed permission from
the French or the Canadians to defend ourselves from this mad
dog. If you are an American like you claim, and if you believe
in our constitution, then you should support the will of our
Congress. Period. End of Story.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Mr_B...@reservoirdogs.com
>
> We already know you to be a well-established coward...which is why
> you try to use fear and lies to lure others into your yellow-bellied
> ways. Go back to duct-taping your home and leave defending our
> country to real men.
>
You call everybody who disagrees with you a coward, and you mention duct-
tape in every post. This tells me you have no real ground to stand on and
can't defend your position in words at all... In orhet words, you're a
MORON...
rbbomber
of the exchanges, it seems to me that every poster has said something
like Doug's sentence: "It is clear that Al-Crazy [al-Quaeda] is going
to attack us regardless of whether we eliminate one of their main
opponents do, also: getting rid of Saddam Hussein changes nothing in
regard to terror. Why then go to war?
--Russ
> > Chip C
Chip C
I got my scars from war, Dougie...caused by the same bunch who
thought they could *remake* the middle east into some pillar of
democratic values. The point is that this war is NOT necessary...not
*now*, but we have boxed ourselves into having no other choice. If
you served and can't see the stupidity here, I have to assume you
caught a golden b-b in the head and lost the ability to think
clearly. If you think this war is about *defending ourselves*, you
are indeed delusional. If we wanted to defend ourselves by invading
someone, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Pakistan and France (hee hee, why
not?) would be at the top of the list...Iraq ain't shit. You are
acting like a panic-stricken wimp...if you are a vet, stand up and
show some balls.
--
Chip C
No Dougie...if you are a patriot you would think for yourself and do
what is best for America, rather than blindly following the inept
politicians who have lead us into the position of becoming more like
Hitler's Germany than the great nation we are. I could give a shit
who gives us *permission*, this is the wrong war at the wrong time,
and blind mice like you are cheering it on because you are
scared...period...end of story. Some vet...cowering like a whipped
dawg because of some tinpot dictator...I hope you are proud of
yourself.
vonroach
>Blah.....
Poor Meadow Muffin, the antiAmerican extremist is duped by propagandists.
Poor kid just doesn't understand imperialism and war exploiting religion as
muslim extremists following the example of their murderous medieval `prophet'
continue to wage. The object of the Taliban, AlQueda, Hamas, Iranian Imams, etc
is all just a continuation of a thousand year-old attempt to unify all Arabs
under one tent worshiping one tyrant. It would be fine for these pastoral
ruffians to play their political games, but, they exploit and export terrorism.
The bitter truth for them is that the world doesn't want their religion or an
Arab tyrant. In Islam, one becomes an infidel by attempting to displace the
religious tyrant from another tribe of Arabs. To Osama, Sadaam is an infidel; to
Sadaam, Osama is an infidel. Sunnis want a sunni tyrant, Shites want a shite
tyrant; Kurds want a kurdish tyrant,.... and the beat goes on, since the
beginning of the tribes. They only respect force. France and Germany have been
playing a similar game for 3 or so centuries.Children must be disciplined and
taught civility. End of story.
Chip C
Once again the coward snips the reply because he's scared to death
that people might agree with it and further expose you as a pussy.
Keep clucking like the chickenshit coward you are...too scared to
face the real threat, too scared to defend your own home and family,
too scared to do anything outside the anonymity of usenet. I feel
sorry for you...it must be hard to go through life so overcome with
fear and so helpless to do anything about it.
DGVREIMAN
Doug Says: You need to be more specific. Are you talking about
the Gulf war?
The point is that this war is NOT necessary...not
> *now*, but we have boxed ourselves into having no other choice.
If
> you served and can't see the stupidity here, I have to assume
you
> caught a golden b-b in the head and lost the ability to think
> clearly.
Doug Says: We declared war on terrorism. Saddam is supporting,
financing, arming, training, aiding and harboring terrorists.
Duh. I suspect that you do not have clue about what you are
talking about, and I further suspect you have never seen a shot
fired in anger in your life.
If you think this war is about *defending ourselves*, you
> are indeed delusional. If we wanted to defend ourselves by
invading
> someone, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Pakistan and France (hee
hee, why
> not?) would be at the top of the list...Iraq ain't shit. You
are
> acting like a panic-stricken wimp...if you are a vet, stand up
and
> show some balls.
Doug Says: Let me see, you want to cower, run, hide, whine, cry,
appease, and leave Saddam alone, and you call me a
"panic-stricken wimp?" Hmmmmm. Saddam is dangerous, and he
needs to be removed from power. Once Saddam is gone we will have
the means and the bases to deal with Iran, which is clearly our
next target. And yes I am a vet, and clearly you are not.
Chip C
> Doug Says: We declared war on terrorism. Saddam is supporting,
> financing, arming, training, aiding and harboring terrorists.
> Duh. I suspect that you do not have clue about what you are
> talking about, and I further suspect you have never seen a shot
> fired in anger in your life.
I have a Purple Heart and a CAR that proves you wrong, Dougie.
There are other countries, some that are our allies, who are much
more active in supporting and arming terrorists...yet you want to go
after Iraq because you don't have the will to go after them. That, to
me is cowardice.
> If you think this war is about *defending ourselves*, you
> > are indeed delusional. If we wanted to defend ourselves by
> invading
> > someone, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Pakistan and France (hee
> hee, why
> > not?) would be at the top of the list...Iraq ain't shit. You
> are
> > acting like a panic-stricken wimp...if you are a vet, stand up
> and
> > show some balls.
>
> Doug Says: Let me see, you want to cower, run, hide, whine, cry,
> appease, and leave Saddam alone, and you call me a
> "panic-stricken wimp?" Hmmmmm. Saddam is dangerous, and he
> needs to be removed from power. Once Saddam is gone we will have
> the means and the bases to deal with Iran, which is clearly our
> next target. And yes I am a vet, and clearly you are not.
>
Just because you think not going to war tomorrow mean giving Saddam a
free ride doesn't make it any more factual. Open your eyes and look
at the entire battlefield instead of just through your narrow gun-
site. Saddam ain't shit, and puffing him up into some major threat
while ignoring the more imminent threats is the sign of a cowering
coward. I hate to call a vet a coward...but if you wish to be
considered such, it is of your own choosing.
Chip C
>
> Doug Says: I have a Purple Heart also, and I received mine in a
> real war, I can't imagine where you got yours since you have
> never fought in a war. About the only place you could have
> received a purple heart was in Lebanon, and that was not a
> shooting war, just a bombing due to the ineptitude of a gang of
> Marine officers. In respect to deposing Saddam, I am the one
> advocating removing Saddam, you are the one advocating cowering,
> hiding, and doing nothing. It is pretty clear who the coward is
> around here. BTW, bragging about a Purple Heart not received in
> combat is about as cowardly as it gets.
> >
If you think there was no combat in Beirut, you are more ignorant
that I thought. I have not advocated doing nothing, I am advocating
doing it right...but you are so scared of Saddam's press clippings
that you would rather rush in and make things worse.
> Doug Says: What you call me is irrelevant as you certainly do
> not have the knowledge nor the information to pass judgment, not
> to mention make condescending remarks. Saddam is supporting
> terrorism, financing it, and arming terrorists.
Proof? I didn't think so. He might begin doing so now, because you
and your ilk have foolishly given him reason to do so.
> These terrorists
> that Saddam is financing and supporting have already murdered
> Americans.
Proof?
> Now if you think we should attack someone else, then
> say so.
I think we should finish the job in Afghanistan and secure Pakistan,
at the same time cutting the balls off our allies like Qatar, Kuwait
and Saudi Arabia who are indeed financing terrorists. I think our
administration would have more credibility if they brought Saddam and
his gang's heads in on sticks, as they promised.
> But right now Saddam is providing a major resource for
> Al-Qeada, Haamas and the Islamic Jihad. All three of those
> terrorist organizations have murdered Americans. Further, I am
> the one advocating the removal of Saddam, you are the one that is
> advocating appeasement, so which of us is the coward again?
No, you are the only one mention appeasement. I advocate doing the
job right...building a credible case to gain public support, UN
support and developing a clear after-action plan. In other words
being honest instead of resorting to fear-mongering as a replacement
for facts.
> If you knew anything about this issue you would realize our war
> on terrorism and our desire to depose Saddam are interlinked.
If you knew anything about this issue you would know that is utter
bullshit. The only interlinking is our misguided desire to remake
Iraq into some democracy that will force other to do the same...while
giving us yet another base of operations in the area. Why doesn't
the administration come right out and say so if these are such noble
reasons? Why is it you can't convince our own people of the linkage?
> We
> cannot continue to defeat terrorism unless we eliminate the
> resources that terrorism is feeding upon, and one of the main
> sources is Saddam.
More bullshit...Saddam's support for terrorists is minor compared to
Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Qatar, Yemen, Lebanon, and Kuwait. Want to
fight terrorism...let's do it...we don't need to start with Iraq to
do so.
> Further, you clearly are not aware that
> Saddam declared war on the USA, Britain and Israel on December
> 27,2000 just ten months prior to the 911 massacres. Now even you
> should agree that we remove a tyrant that has openly and public
> declared war on the USA.
The our Congress should have no problem declaring war right
back....what's the problem? Why the bullshit if the justification is
there? Why the feeble attempts at justification via UN resolutions,
WMD and terrorist links? Why doesn't your master just ask Congress
for a declaration of war based on Iraq's declaration? Maybe because
you are full of shit? Come on Dougie, if it's so clear cut why are
you and your masters having such a hard time convincing the American
public? Why are you having such a hard time convincing republican
vets like me?
vonroach
>Once again the coward snips
yawn
vonroach
>I have a Purple Heart
Juvenile braggadocio...yawn
vonroach
>More bullshit...
by Meadow Muffin...yawn