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Nomen Nescio

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Dec 20, 2023, 5:09:39 PM12/20/23
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9DPDE0FZeQ

One last thing... get off Hotmail, Gmail or whetever you're using and send your email
encrypted so that your ISP or email provider can't profile you. https://tuta.com/
(the best out there) FREE and premium services! END TO END ENCRYPTION!!!

Do you realize Hotmail and other providers can read your email? That's a no no!!!

Stay safe, stay encrypted!

D

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Dec 21, 2023, 4:28:41 AM12/21/23
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Every email provider can theoretically read your email, including tuta,
unless you encrypt it yourself. That in turn, leaves you vulnerable to
metadata exposure.

If you need to be able to receive email, it makes it tough. Sending email,
you could always hop on some wifi, tunnel it a bit, and create a throw
away account.

I think that email is not the way in case you want absolute and strict
secrecy.

If you want some secrecy and better than nothing security, tuta is a good
provider, or even better, you could selfhost your email.

Yamn Remailer

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Dec 21, 2023, 9:00:38 AM12/21/23
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D <nos...@example.net> wrote:

> Every email provider can theoretically read your email, including tuta,
> unless you encrypt it yourself. That in turn, leaves you vulnerable to
> metadata exposure.
>
> If you need to be able to receive email, it makes it tough. Sending email,
> you could always hop on some wifi, tunnel it a bit, and create a throw
> away account.
>
> I think that email is not the way in case you want absolute and strict
> secrecy.
>
> If you want some secrecy and better than nothing security, tuta is a good
> provider, or even better, you could selfhost your email.

With a nym account at mixmin.net or paranoici.org you're in absolute
stealth mode. Managed by a local OmniMix proxyserver, which uses the
Tor network, nobody will get knowledge of your mailing activities.

Nomen Nescio

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Dec 21, 2023, 1:37:08 PM12/21/23
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Nyms were good back in the day but your average man or woman is not
going to get involved with all that 'old hat' nym stuff. Tuta is a
breeze to use and is the way forward.

Is Tuta certified?

Tuta was subject to an extensive penetration test by the SySS GmbH in
November 2013. During the tests the experts were not able to access
the system or to retrieve any confidential data.

Is Tuta open source?

Yes, all Tuta clients are published as open source under GPLv3. Check
out our GitHub repository. We welcome you to review the code, to give
us feedback or to contribute!

https://tuta.com/support/general

Encrypted emails, calendars & contacts

Tuta is the go-to service to securely store your data in the cloud.
Its built-in encryption makes sure that your data stays secure, no
matter what. Your encryption key belongs to you, and to you alone.
It is never shared with anyone else, not even with Tuta.

Tuta is the world's most secure email service because we protect your
data at all ends. Whether on our servers, or on your devices: In Tuta
all data is always end-to-end encrypted.

The entire mailbox – emails, calendar and address book – are stored
end-to-end encrypted in Tuta. The only unencrypted data are mail
addresses of users as well as senders and recipients of emails. Upon
entering your login credentials, your mailbox is automatically
decrypted locally on your device.

https://tuta.com/encryption

Open source guarantees security

Our choice to publish the entire client code on GitHub for all Tuta
apps – Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, iOS and web clients – means
that anyone can audit the code and verify that Tuta protects the
security and privacy of your data to the maximum. It’s a guarantee
that there is no backdoor in the end-to-end encryption. It also
means that any bugs or even potential vulnerabilities get noticed
quickly and we’re able to fix them much faster than closed-source
email providers.

Before the public release of Tuta, all our apps have been audited by
independent security experts. In an extensive penetration test,
experts from SySS GmbH have not been able to hack into our system
or retrieve any encrypted data. But it’s even better to have as
many layers of protection as possible when it comes to your data
privacy and security.
Published as GPLv3

For these reasons it was also crucial for us to publish the entire
client code for Tuta under GPLv3 as free software. What is more, we
even built our own captcha and push notification service, in order
to make sure that the software is free. And, we don’t need to rely
on integrating with any closed-source third-party services, for
instance by using Google Push. This is part of what makes Tuta the
most secure email service in the world.

https://tuta.com/open-source

Why do you need more email security?

Are you finding yourself targeted by oddly specific ads and wondering
how on earth did they know to show me that?”. If you are
privacy-savvy, you’ve probably found yourself having to disable
permissions again and again in your device’s privacy and security
settings, after a system update, even though your operating system
doesn’t have a problem retaining other types of data during the
updating process. It’s obvious: your activity is being tracked
intentionally. From your operating system, to your browser, to sites
and apps that you use and user accounts that you need to create on
many of these, at every step there is data collected about you. Some
of it is meant to improve the functionality of these services. A lot
of it is meant to make it easier for companies to market to you.
Tracking via Gmail

Additionally, the types of activity that Google tracks is even more
encompassing across devices and operating systems when you have a
Gmail address and you use it to create accounts for various services
- even if you’re not using Google’s Chrome browser. Are you getting
email newsletters, special offers or political fundraising calls that
you never signed up for? This is a given, whether you’re using a
social platform, shopping online, signing a petition, donating to a
cause you care about or signing up for a different newsletter that
you’re actually interested in, or any other activity that requires
you to provide an email address.

People who are less tech-savvy or part of age groups with less
experience navigating the internet tend to leave even more
breadcrumbs and are usually more susceptible to ads, fake news and
other types of manipulation. It’s not just commercial messaging that
targets you based on your digital profile, but even news and
entertainment content. This digital profile is put together from
data gathered by most of the tech companies whose products you use
and then sold to and by data brokers.

Data brokers include credit reporting companies, people-finding
websites, and many analytics and marketing companies. They operate
in a sprawling, unregulated ecosystem and are rightfully being
called "the middlemen of surveillance capitalism". They’re a
multi-billion dollar industry with a lack of transparency and
accountability, with an FTC report concluding that they "collect
consumers’ personal information and resell or share that information
with others". But the fact that it’s a well-known problem doesn’t
make it easy to regulate away, with Big Tech companies opposing
anti-trust legislation, even by posing as grass-roots groups.

Create a secure email account with Tuta - as your primary email and
for your user profiles on apps and sites - and you will make it more
difficult for data brokers to aggregate data about you. What’s more,
the alias feature included with all our paid accounts helps you
quickly deactivate alias email addresses that start getting unwanted
emails.

Just like with social media platforms, with most email services free
email isn’t really free. You already know this because of the
cross-platform ads that you get served: Your attention is the product.

FREE and premium services available at...

https://tuta.com/

Stay safe, stay encrypted.

Nomen Nescio

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Dec 21, 2023, 3:38:12 PM12/21/23
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Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:

> Nyms were good back in the day but your average man or woman is not
> going to get involved with all that 'old hat' nym stuff. Tuta is a
> breeze to use and is the way forward.

Nyms = Privacy & Anonymity
Tuta = Surveillance

Nomen Nescio

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Dec 21, 2023, 4:13:34 PM12/21/23
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You can't send attachments with nyms through the remailer network and the remailers can be
very unreliable also.

Attachments are automatically encrypted with Tuta with no third party encryption software
needed.

Get off Hotmail, Gmail or whetever you're using and send your email encrypted so that your
ISP or email provider can't profile you. https://tuta.com/ (the best out there) FREE and
premium services! END TO END ENCRYPTION

Hotmail and all non encrypted email providers can read your email and that's a NO NO!

Stay safe, stay encrypted... https://tuta.com/

Anonymous

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Dec 22, 2023, 2:39:02 AM12/22/23
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In article <7c614ff6c56e07eb...@dizum.com> Nomen Nescio
wrote:

> You can't send attachments with nyms through the remailer network

Why not? OM even gives you Whole Message Encryption (WME)
preserving the MIME structure of your mail and including
all attachments and random dummy load. Thereby you transfer
a simple PGP block without revealing any further information.

D

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Dec 22, 2023, 5:29:39 AM12/22/23
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On Thu, 21 Dec 2023, Yamn Remailer wrote:

> With a nym account at mixmin.net or paranoici.org you're in absolute
> stealth mode. Managed by a local OmniMix proxyserver, which uses the
> Tor network, nobody will get knowledge of your mailing activities.

I'm afraid not, but you need to trust the people running mixmin.net or
paranoici.org. I'm sure the protocols are well designed, but just the
fact that you have to go to those domain names and open an account puts
you at risk, since you have no clue who runs it.

D

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Dec 22, 2023, 5:31:26 AM12/22/23
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Agree, if you can send text, you can send attachments. Alternatively I
assume you can just setup a hidden service with the attachment and send
the link.

Fritz Wuehler

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Dec 22, 2023, 3:13:29 PM12/22/23
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No reason to be afraid. Nymserver admins get nothing of relevance from
a WME-encrypted nym-to-nym dialog. Both participants are anonymous, all
data they transfer are encrypted, and it's reliable, as with every mail
delivery its sender gets an acknowlegement that proves success.

D

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Dec 23, 2023, 8:19:28 AM12/23/23
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But they do. The fact that communication does take place. Content is
encrypted, but not the fact that messages are being sent, assuming the
potential attacker is monitoring a suspect.

David W. Hodgins

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Dec 23, 2023, 10:14:05 AM12/23/23
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Use a chain. The first remailer knows who sent it. The last remailer knows
who it was sent to. No remailer knows both, unless all of the remailers in
the chain are operated by the same entity, or monitored by them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_remailer

Regards, Dave Hodgins

Fritz Wuehler

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Dec 23, 2023, 11:01:25 PM12/23/23
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An attacker monitoring my Internet connection while I'm running OmniMix
and the Tor Browser will see that I'm constantly exchanging data with
the Tor network, but he won't find out for what reason.

Jack Ryan

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Dec 24, 2023, 6:54:58 AM12/24/23
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> An attacker monitoring my Internet connection while I'm running
> OmniMix and the Tor Browser will see that I'm constantly exchanging
> data with the Tor network, but he won't find out for what reason.
>
An attacker who can monitor your Internet connection can possibly put
a Government Trojan on your PC, which you can't detect.

Guess why Mixmaster and YAMN supports outfiles, to be created on an
offline PC.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

William Unruh

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Dec 28, 2023, 1:37:41 PM12/28/23
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On 2023-12-21, D <nos...@example.net> wrote:
> Every email provider can theoretically read your email, including tuta,
> unless you encrypt it yourself. That in turn, leaves you vulnerable to
> metadata exposure.
>
> If you need to be able to receive email, it makes it tough. Sending email,
> you could always hop on some wifi, tunnel it a bit, and create a throw
> away account.
>
> I think that email is not the way in case you want absolute and strict
> secrecy.
>
> If you want some secrecy and better than nothing security, tuta is a good
> provider, or even better, you could selfhost your email.

The only way to get secrecy is to not connect to the net. A vastly less
secret way is to use a VPN, but as said, they you need to encrypt
everything. That will still tell the snooper that someone connected to a
certain address, but not who. But that is pretty useless in general
because most recipients woul not know what to do with it. Also nothing
would help if you need to receive stuff. `
>
>
>
> On Wed, 20 Dec 2023, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9DPDE0FZeQ
>>
>> One last thing... get off Hotmail, Gmail or whetever you're using and send your email
>> encrypted so that your ISP or email provider can't profile you. https://tuta.com/
>> (the best out there) FREE and premium services! END TO END ENCRYPTION!!!
>>
>> Do you realize Hotmail and other providers can read your email? That's a no no!!!
>>
>> Stay safe, stay encrypted!

As mentioned that is useless in general since almost no-one will know
what the hell to do with an encrypted email.
There are lots of encryption products out there. In linux, gpg comes for
free. And yes, any provider can read your emails. Mind you with many
petabytes doing through their systems every day, it would be pretty hard
to keep up unless they had a real interest in you personally, in which
case a vpn would make it hard for them to know the email came from you.


>>
>>

Nomen Nescio

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Dec 30, 2023, 7:40:24 PM12/30/23
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>As mentioned that is useless in general since almost no-one will know
>what the hell to do with an encrypted email.
>

It is encrypted in transit, the user sends the email and Tuta does the rest.
It's automated so no encryption or decryption to be done by the user.

>And yes, any provider can read your emails.

Wrong again, the encryption starts from your browser to Tuta and not even
tuta.com can read your email.

Are you a moron? Do some research!!!

Tuta.com doesn't rely on integrations with Google services, unlike our
competitors. With Tuta, you get the biggest bang for your buck, with
the most features included with a free account and the lowest price
points for paid accounts.

Tuta.com Is Breaking New Ground With Post Quantum Encryption For Email

Get 'QUANTUM READY' with tuta,com here: https://tuta.com/

So many skeptics that won't even try it.

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