Distence between magnetic door sensors?
Tracey Foster
what typically is the distance between the home alarm magnetic door sensors?
ie, the two piece type, with one of the door frame and the other on the door
many thanks
Robert
Robert L. Bass
It varies from model to model. Sentrol has some standard contacts with 3/8"
gap. Their wide gap models can be an inch or more apart. GRI has standard
gap sensors rated for 1" and wide gap at 1-1/2" on up. Each of these
companies makes numerous models among which the rated gaps vary somewhat.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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Jake
1 to 3 mm
Too close and they may hit or bind
Too far apart and any movement or door swelling sets them off
"Tracey Foster" <tracey...@lineone.net> wrote in
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RH Campbell
Recently, I have had 3 or 4 service calls to replace the magnets on the
heavy plastic sliding patio doors that are popular up here. I found to my
dismay, that the magnet is being knocked off by the door being slammed shut,
because I left too small a gap between the contact and magnet. There is a
certain amount of "bounce" to the door (especially when it is slammed shut),
and I was leaving only 1/4 inch of gap, which in this case was not enough to
prevent it getting knocked off over the years...
Replacing the magnet about 1/2 inch away seems to cure the installer caused
problem (me). Plus I have always used wide gap magnets with 1and an eighth
inch gap, so it doesn't present a problem
Cheers !
RHC
"Jake" <none> wrote in message news:anph65$ev$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
zvika raz
What is most important regarding the installation of magnetic contacts is
the kind of material of the door and its frame. If the frame or the door is
made of steel, the installation of a non-magnetic spacers is necessary.
Good Luck,
Zvika
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Jake
My 1/8 to 1/4 is probably way to close for any door that has movement.
It's fine for windows and snug fitters.
I also use wide-gaps, it seems they just work out better.
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Bob La Londe
contact some can be as much as 1/2" apart and work just fine. GRI makes some
extra wide gap contacts that claim gap range of upto 1"
In reality when buying contacts without getting the "wide gap" versions I have
found I start having troubles at distances as little as 1/4"
--
Bob La Londe
The Security Consultant
http://www.diycomponents.com
849 S Ave C
Yuma, Az 85364
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inserted for Frank)
js
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Frank Olson
an old Westec system. They were using a brand of contacts I'd never
seen before and can't remember the name of (it was actually the first
time I'd seen them). A lot of the zones wouldn't "close" after we
replaced the panel (I couldn't verify the operation of the original
because it got fried). The guy I was working with opened every door and
window that wasn't working and visually checked for the presence of both
magnet and switch. When we held a magnet to the switch, the contact
would close no problem. When the door or window was closed (even though
the mag and contact seemed to be perfectly aligned and the gap OK)
nothing happened. It wasn't until I ran my screwdriver over the magnet
installed in the door/window that we realized what had happened. They
were standard 3/8" contacts. The glue holding the magnet in had "let
go" so all we had were the plastic housings. :-)
Frank
RH Campbell
RHC
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$q41....@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com:
and hop on over at 2:30AM because the system keeps going off
Jake
occurences and glued more than a few
Amseco comes to mind but that may be incorrect.
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Holger
There are ones that can go 2-3". They are called wide gap magnetic contacts,
for garage doors, etc.
<H>
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J. Stevens
the standard contacts. Doors are no problem, but I like to recess contacts
in the windows too. The new vinyl windows have too great a gap, so I've
started using some miniature surface contacts inside the track. They have
screw terminals and a liberal 1" gap. (Love those terminals)
js
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placement. I do use widegaps sometimes, but it's rare. It's just a matter
of using the right contact for the application.
js
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Chuck
sensor? It's not as if a burglar might be able to slip through that 1.5" gap
:)
Any thoughts? Talk amongst yourselves.
RH Campbell
but even if they did, it's peanuts in comparison to the extra insurance they
offer against false alarms caused on windy days by ill fitting doors and
windows..
IMO, its "no contest"....anything that can be done to prevent false alarms
for your customer is worth 1000 times it's price...
And I seriously doubt you'll get any argument on that statement from anyone
here !!
RHC
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installations for many years. The cost difference is insignificant.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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RH Campbell wrote in message ...
wide gaps
news:UwOdnR_ZcsN...@News.GigaNews.Com:
> No. There's no reason not to use them. We made it standard practice
> on our installations for many years. The cost difference is
> insignificant.
Hmmm,
then why the hell haven't you been recomending them?
NO mention of wide-gaps in any of these posts!!
Why the sudden change?
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From: Robert L. Bass (rober...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: Door contacts - dumb question
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Date: 2002-07-19 14:32:52 PST
Hi Brian,
Most steel doors are actually a steel sandwich with wood edges and a foam
core. If yours is this type, you do not need a "steel door" sensor. A
regular sensor such as the Sentrol 1275 series will be fine. If the
*edge* of the door is steel, definitely go with a Sentrol 1078C or
equivalent.
From: Robert L Bass (rober...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: You cheap bastard
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Date: 2002-05-05 14:35:54 PST
<snip>
Most door contacts cost between $1 and 3 apiece at wholesale. Exceptions
would include special wide-gap contacts for steel doors and heavy-duty
garage door sensors.
<snip>
From: Robert L Bass (rober...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: putting a switch on a door surrounded by windows
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Date: 2002-04-22 20:25:00 PST
Mounting surface for the switch? I think I know where the discrepancy
is.
I don't use switches with wide flanges. I prefer things like the Sentrol
1275 style contact. These have wing-like appurtenances which grip the
inside of the 3/8" hole. There's a tiny widening at the end of the
switch and the magnet to keep it from dropping into the hole. There's no
need for a "mounting surface" per se.
Search Result 132
From: Robert L Bass (Rober...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Contacts?
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Date: 2002-02-25 20:38:37 PST
Hi Lou,
Here's how I handle doors and casement windows. The text is from some of
my FAQ
pages at Bass Home Electronics. These particular pages are found at
http://www.bass-home.com/faq/Casement_Window.cfm and
http://www.bass-home.com/faq/wire_a_door.cfm
(just for fun)
From: Robert L Bass (alar...@Home.com)
Subject: Re: DIY Help File: Wire a magnetic contact to an exterior door
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Date: 1998/11/01
Hopefully the members of the public who visit this news group will
realize
that the vulgarity in the previous poster's reply is atypical of alarm
professionals.
Regardless of the atrocious manners, the post deserves a reply. A 3/4"
contact is only appropriate where a 3/8" won't do the job. For example,
in
a steel door a 3/4" magnetic contact would be appropriate. In standard
wood
framing a 3/4" sensor is simply more plastic to stare at. A 3/8" contact
is
a better choice because it is less noticeable.
Jim Gaynor
"J. Stevens" <alarm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Robert Skinner
eliminate the need to drill a hole for the magnet on the door side. I am
just experimenting with them myself for now. I am worried that the plunger
unit may fail and create service calls.
Your opinion?
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Frank Olson
Robert Skinner wrote:
> Robert, have you tried the plunger type contacts from GRI? I use these to
> eliminate the need to drill a hole for the magnet on the door side. I am
> just experimenting with them myself for now. I am worried that the plunger
> unit may fail and create service calls.
>
> Your opinion?
I know you asked Robert, but I feel pretty "qualified" to answer too
since we have about 200 of these units in service with nary a problem
(oldest one is about 12 years)... I think you can pretty well rest
assured that anything GRI manufactures is going to stand up for the
"long run"...
Frank
G. Morgan
GRI makes good stuff, but I try to not use plungers.
The mechanical one's (not seal reed) can easily corrode.
They are all prone to dirt and debis jambing it.
They can be defeated easier.
IMO
Graham
Robert L. Bass
and whatever else can accumulate on a window sill. In a door frame the
primary issues are ice and paint. Another weakness of these devices is the
facility with which they can be compromised. I would use a roller plunger,
such as a Sentrol 3005, but only in a situation where there is no other
viable way to wire the door.
Unrelated Side Note: BTW, I have found a very useful purpose for the
Sentrol 3005. Installed in the base of a long gun rack, they can protect
against unauthorized removal of a rifle or shotgun. Typically you would
place the gun rack in a separate partition which you would only disarm when
you needed to remove one or more guns. This would warn a homeowner if
Junior decided to play with the shot gun.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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G. Morgan
He's been reading.
I've also used them in rare book, and mueseum collections.
gm
Mike Dupre
<88ucnUt305b...@News.GigaNews.Com>...
>
>Unrelated Side Note: BTW, I have found a very useful purpose for the
>Sentrol 3005. Installed in the base of a long gun rack, they can protect
>against unauthorized removal of a rifle or shotgun. Typically you would
>place the gun rack in a separate partition which you would only disarm when
>you needed to remove one or more guns. This would warn a homeowner if
>Junior decided to play with the shot gun.
>
>Regards,
>Robert L Bass
You mean like the illustration on page 114 of Sentrol's application notes?
Another example of the feigned expertise you so humourously try to exude.
Why don't you take this drivel to alt.security.doityourself or
alt.security.doityourself.ads
where it belongs.
Plagerized
Slime has plagerized once again-
stolen FAQ or installation idea claimed as his own.
Sad case bAss- you reach for 'one-upsmanship' by lying about an
application and get caught using the most widely used source in the alarm
industry, the Sentrol Application Notebook.
Let's see Leuck pull your dumb ass out of this
"Mike Dupre" <mdu...@medi-call.ca> wrote in
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Robert L. Bass
comes from studying manuals and books. Part comes from things I've thought
up myself. If you had asked, "Did you get that idea from Sentrol's
'Application Notebook?,'" I'd have said, yes, I think that's where I learned
that one. But I couldn't have told you the page without looking it up like
you just did.
Now I'll ask you a question, Mr. Dupre. Aside from attacking me, what do
you contribute to this forum? Perhaps I missed it but I don't recall you
ever posting a single helpful tech support response in the last year or so.
I'm not questioning your knowledge of alarms. But I wonder with your own
vast experience just how much of what you post has anything to do with
security alarms vs. the sort of "drivel" you've inserted into this thread.
Here's your "contribution" over the past few weeks (from
mdu...@medi-call.ca ):
"I'd have to take issue with the 1000x the price thing."
"oh yah, never thought of that, how inefficient,,,"
"Good story, Jim. I guess Doctors aren't as easily mesmerized by RMR."
"And this is Mr Lalonde's store, sheesh you guys, I mean, duh"
"I gotta be more careful with those knee-jerk, emotional posts. We'll come
through, I just thought we should be right in there instead of this, sell
the UN first crap. I mean, are we allies or not?"
"Unless you're out in a rowboat with your wife and sister and didn't see the
sign as you approached the dock. "HEY!! HEY YOU! GET THOSE TWO 'OARS OUTA
THE WATER!"
"This Canadian apologizies for being a "fair weather" friend and I think the
rest of us here should shut the fuck up with these stupid hollow
tributes..."
"(sound of hand smacking forehead)"
"We-B-Toys, ha ha ha the place is not too bad tonight, had to contribute to
the tribute, nice to see we can all still laugh together and at ourselves.
respectfully,"
"If you really want to get Bass out of the business, why not go after the
source of his parts?"
"...I came out of the closet..."
"I remember whining to DSC a couple of years ago that Bass had the DSC
software available on his site."
"Indeed"
"This sounds like a fly on an elephant's back thing."
"Maybe one of those barking dog collars, that'd be fun."
"Are you always *on* Mr AlarmReview? :-) Your answers are always superbly
crafted, is there an AlarmReview newsletter?"
"no no no, I just thought it was the only post on the subject out of about
17,000 that makes any sense. So I left his sig in there."
"a hundred posts everytime I check in, and THIS is the funniest thing I've
seen in days"
"He redeemed himself with those complaint call posts, best stuff tonight.
200 friggin' posts, bass, bass, bass, seen maybe two technical posts, it's
Peyton Place, but I don't have cable eh"
It appears that the primary thing you do is flame and post "me too"
messages.
Mike Dupre wrote:
>
>> Robert L. Bass wrote:
>>
>> Unrelated Side Note: BTW, I have found a very useful
>> purpose for the Sentrol 3005. Installed in the base of a
>> long gun rack, they can protect against unauthorized
>> removal of a rifle or shotgun. Typically you would
>> place the gun rack in a separate partition which you
>> would only disarm when you needed to remove one or
>> more guns. This would warn a homeowner if Junior
>> decided to play with the shot gun.
>
RH Campbell
awful lot of older systems with plunger style contacts in service behind the
door, and they don't seem to have caused any service related problems in the
many years they've been in service. And I imagine the newer makes of like
contacts are probably even better built than the old ones. So IMO,
logically, they should be fine in service....
RHC
"Robert Skinner" <rgsandas...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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RH Campbell
IMO. However, recently I have been getting about one in a 100 of their
window contacts which are DOA right out of the box. So at a friends
suggestion, I switched to the same contact from Ademco (the ones in the ammo
pack), and in about 400 contacts, I've yet to find one that is faulty....
I don't much like Ademco panels, but their contacts seem to be very good...
Could have been a bad run from GRI though.....
RHC
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Robert L. Bass
I've always been partial to Sentrol contacts. In all the years I've been
ordering them -- literally tens of thousands of switches -- I have never
received a bad one. I wish I could say the same for all of their products,
but the switches are (IMO) the best in the world. Another thing I like is
Sentrol's warranty. They will replace any switch -- two for one -- if it
fails in service. There's no time limit.
Once while I was ordering some sensors direct (I used to order their 1085TW
with our company logo on them) I mentioned to the sales girl that I had
recently experienced my first Sentrol failures. I said I knew this wasn't
covered under warranty because the house had suffered a direct lightning
hit. The panel, several switches and a few other things were destroyed,
along with the client's TV and some other goodies. She said it didn't
matter and promptly replaced the sensors -- two for one. Nice!
RH Campbell wrote:
>
> I've used GRI products as well and they definately are
> very well made IMO. However, recently I have been
> getting about one in a 100 of their window contacts
> which are DOA right out of the box. So at a friends
> suggestion, I switched to the same contact from Ademco
> (the ones in the ammo pack), and in about 400 contacts,
> I've yet to find one that is faulty....
Do you know who makes the Ademco switches?
RH Campbell
version of the wide gap window contact I presently use (over 100 a month...)
I do know their products are well known generally in the industry for their
quality. And I especially appreciate that the company stands behind their
products like that ....are you listening Detection Systems ???
RHC
"Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Mike Simpson
http://www.sentrol.com/files/notebook.pdf
Attribution is easy to give....so why not do so in the first place??
Mike Simpson
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Robert L. Bass
the idea I would have attributed it.
You're starting to whine again, Mike. Oh, wait, I forgot. You never
stopped.
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Robert L. Bass
>
> Wow, that's some warranty ! Ok, thanks, I'll take a look
> at Sentrol's version of the wide gap window contact I
> presently use (over 100 a month...) I do know their
> products are well known generally in the industry for their
> quality.
TTBOMK, it's still the same, but check with Sentrol to be sure. I think GRI
also does a 2-4-1 replacement but I've never had one of theirs fail on me so
I'm not sure.
I also tried Tane magnetic contacts once. Just once. That was enough.
:|(| <-- gator eating turtle.
> And I especially appreciate that the company
> stands behind their products like that ....are you listening
> Detection Systems ???
You know, as I was reading your reply I thought I'd crack wise about DS,
knowing your ...er, affection for them. But you beat me to it. :^)
Frank Olson
You've got WAYYYY too much time on your hands... :-)
Frank
Frank Olson
you let them know???
Frank
RH Campbell
task a little bit about my criticism of Detection Systems for those faulty
motions. He implied that I was being a bit too harsh with them, because,
quite rightly, all companies at one time or another put out faulty products.
QA of 100% is impossible ! I agree with his point generally, but not in this
particular case. Most companies have problems at one time or another with
quality control. But its how they handle the situation that makes the
difference.
I KNOW for a fact that they knew about the problem, and to save themselves
money, didn't issue a recall of at least that run of motions. This was clear
from speaking with the salesman at the Toronto Security Convention several
years ago. He said "they'd make it up to me" (whatever that meant), but
being as it was one of their salesmen that said it, I didn't give it much
credence....
Nor did they ever even acknowledge they even had a problem....
THAT is unacceptable behaviour in my books. Mistakes are one thing; willfull
deception is another. I'm just a "little guy" in this business, but I'll
never buy anything from them again...
RHC
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Mike Simpson
I guess if posting a url that provides information is "whining" then so be
it.
Oh...and here it is again...
http://www.sentrol.com/files/notebook.pdf
Mike Simpson
"Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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my idea
> Part of my knowledge comes from the things I've learned from others.
> Part comes from studying manuals and books. Part comes from things
> I've thought up myself. If you had asked, "Did you get that idea from
> Sentrol's 'Application Notebook?,'" I'd have said, yes, I think that's
> where I learned that one. But I couldn't have told you the page
> without looking it up like you just did.
>
Hogwash- you clearly claimed it as your own idea. You got caught and are
now going sideways- again.
RH Campbell
asked me to send them the bad units. I never got around to it, and stopped
collecting them when I had about a half dozen...
They make good products. I suspect this was a bad run. For their sake, I
should have done as they asked, but got too busy; my fault. Then my partner
suggested I try the Ademco units, and I've just kept on using them since
they work, and the screws are much stronger on their product than either
Tane or GRI....
RHC
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whine
I suppose the same analogy holds when a child gets caught cheating on a
test? (the teacher is starting to whine?)
"Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in
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Alarminex
<rgsandas...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>Subject: Re: Distence between magnetic door sensors?
>From: "Robert Skinner" <rgsandas...@sympatico.ca>
>Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:13:25 -0400
>
>Robert, have you tried the plunger type contacts from GRI? I use these to
>eliminate the need to drill a hole for the magnet on the door side. I am
>just experimenting with them myself for now. I am worried that the plunger
>unit may fail and create service calls.
>
>Your opinion?
>
When necessary, I will use a plunger type switch on a slider. But only when it
seems necessary. The problem I have with using them is that most manufacturers
don't recommend that they be use in that manner. However, I justify using them
because I think that the manufacturer is actually saying to not use them
because they may have received feed back from the field that ......mounted at
the bottom of a door, they may become jammed with dirt, etc and not activate
or, that when the switches are painted they will certainly stick. So
............ when necessary, I *will* use them on vinyl clad doors ( no
paint) and only at the top of the door ( no dirt).
>
>
Jim
Remove the Qzapp to email
Frank Olson
Robert L. Bass wrote:
> Part of my knowledge comes from the things I've learned from others. Part
> comes from studying manuals and books. Part comes from things I've thought
> up myself. If you had asked, "Did you get that idea from Sentrol's
> 'Application Notebook?,'" I'd have said, yes, I think that's where I learned
> that one. But I couldn't have told you the page without looking it up like
> you just did.
This is pure and simple the best cock and bull story I've seen for quite
a while. If you're going to use information from one of your faq pages
you make mention of the fact that it's in our faqs (and freqently post
the url to go along with it). Read the original post again, Robert.
While it makes no reference to one of your faqs, it does come off like
it's YOUR idea/method.
Frank
Jim Rojas
rare earth magnets were introduced. If I come across a plunger switch which
gets painted shut, I replace it with a low gap reed switch and place a
weaker rare earth magnet. If the magnet is still too strong, I adjust the
reed switch deeper into the frame. Obviously, this is custom work using off
the shelf products. I use alot of 7/8" or 3/4" prewire plugs to make this
all work...I drill out the center core, insert my reed switch, which gives
me room to adjust the gap if needed. Plus, it covers up the plunger opening
perfectly...anyone remember using Edwards roller ball switches? yuck! :)
In the case of solid steel doors & frames, I use 3/4" plugs, and insert the
proper magnet which will allow the door to open 4-6 inches before it
triggers the alarm.
Jim Rojas
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Robert L. Bass
I'd be furious with them. In fact, after Wade sold Moose Products I had a
parallel bad experience with them. Tech support lied about a known problem
which they were unable to fix. It was a serious issue, too, as it had the
potential to lock up the phone line during an emergency. It was one of the
reasons I stopped selling the Z1100 series although when Wade was still at
the helm the company was excellent. After Aritech bought them out it was
straight downhill IMO.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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"RH Campbell" <rh.ca...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Robert L. Bass
Here's an old trick (Sorry, IB I don't recall where I learned it) for
reducing the magnetic field. Drive one or two 10d nails into the wood close
to the magnet. The total flux remains the same (physics 101) but it's
spread out a bit more, reducing the pull on the sensor.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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Jim Rojas
just slide the reed switch in a bit more.
Jim Rojas
"Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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C G
>
> These are freely available in pdf format here....
> http://www.sentrol.com/files/notebook.pdf
>
> Attribution is easy to give....so why not do so in the first place??
>
> Mike Simpson
>
original source rather than from someone cut and pasting it
into a FAQ anchored off an online store's web pages. In fact,
that's good advice to vendors. When the product manufacturer
has a document which would be valuable to customers, just put
a link on your web page to allow the user to access the
manufacturer's document.
Chuck
Robert L. Bass
> original source rather than from someone cut and pasting it
> into a FAQ anchored off an online store's web pages.
Did you see anything in this thread that was cut and pasted into a FAQ off
an online store's web pages?
Mike Dupre
>Part of my knowledge comes from the things I've learned from others. Part
>comes from studying manuals and books. Part comes from things I've thought
>up myself. If you had asked, "Did you get that idea from Sentrol's
>'Application Notebook?,'" I'd have said, yes, I think that's where I
learned
>that one. But I couldn't have told you the page without looking it up like
>you just did.
You are a deceptive and sneaky man. I had to look up the page number but I
know the idea was Sentrol's and not yours and so did you.
>
>Now I'll ask you a question, Mr. Dupre. Aside from attacking me, what do
>you contribute to this forum?
If you left some of the easier questions unanswered, perhaps I could
contribute.
Besides, I'm here to learn and share, not troll for dollars; your
contributions come
at too high a price.
>Perhaps I missed it but I don't recall you
>ever posting a single helpful tech support response in the last year or so.
That's because you had me plonked, right?
>I'm not questioning your knowledge of alarms.
Yes you are.
I'm hear to learn, why would the question bother me?
But I wonder with your own
>vast experience just how much of what you post has anything to do with
>security alarms vs. the sort of "drivel" you've inserted into this thread.
>
>Here's your "contribution" over the past few weeks (from
>mdu...@medi-call.ca ):
>
At least it fits on one page.
Seriously, I've said it before and I'll say it again,
Take your store to the ads newsgroup. Nobody minds the odd pitch here
and there but you abuse. Go away.
J. Stevens
fail. The sales rep at ISC gave me lip service, but no action from them
yet. I don't expect any mind you, but I'll never buy another DS product,
and will tell anyone who will listen the same thing.
js
"RH Campbell
m..leuck
"RH Campbell" <rh.ca...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> task a little bit about my criticism of Detection Systems for those faulty
> motions. He implied that I was being a bit too harsh with them, because,
> quite rightly, all companies at one time or another put out faulty
products.
> QA of 100% is impossible ! I agree with his point generally, but not in
this
> particular case. Most companies have problems at one time or another with
> quality control. But its how they handle the situation that makes the
> difference.
>
> I KNOW for a fact that they knew about the problem, and to save themselves
> money, didn't issue a recall of at least that run of motions. This was
clear
> from speaking with the salesman at the Toronto Security Convention several
> years ago. He said "they'd make it up to me" (whatever that meant), but
> being as it was one of their salesmen that said it, I didn't give it much
> credence....
>
> Nor did they ever even acknowledge they even had a problem....
Not taking you to task again but it seems EVERY manufacturer does that to
some degree now or has in the past
m..leuck
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m..leuck
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Jim Rojas
Jim Rojas
"m..leuck" <m.l....@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Nomen Nescio
about plagiarism:
>To plagiarize is "to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as
>one's own: . . . [to] present as new and original an idea or product
>derived from an existing source" (Webster's Ninth New Collegiate
>Dictionary, 898).
>
>The most important phrase in the above definition is "pass off as one's
>own." A student may get material from a book, an article, or even from
>another student's paper, but if a student presents ideas and/or specific
>language from these or other sources as though he has invented them
>himself, he is guilty of plagiarism. To take another person's ideas, even
>when those ideas are put into the student's own words, is to be guilty of
>plagiarism unless the reader is told that this has been done. Similarly,
>to take another person's expressions--a key word, a phrase, or a longer
>passage--even when one's own ideas are being expressed, is to be guilty of
>plagiarism if the reader is not told precisely what has been done.
>
>A student may, however, use the same material with full and proper
>acknowledgment and not be guilty of plagiarism since in that case he is
>not "passing off as his own" the work of another. "Full and proper
>acknowledgment" may be defined as unambiguous identification of the
>sources of all ideas and expressions that are not one's own. A
>bibliography (a list of material consulted), while useful, is not full and
>proper acknowledgment since it does not tell the reader precisely what
>parts of the paper are indebted to this material, or the extent of the
>debt. Full and proper acknowledgment must indicate clearly where direct
>quotations or paraphrases within a paper both begin and end, with
>quotation marks around quoted material and introductory statements where
>paraphrases begin. In addition, each quotation and paraphrase must be
>accompanied by internal documentation of the source quoted or paraphrased.
>(For documentation in English papers use the most recent MLA guidelines.
>These guidelines can be found in any recent writing handbook.) Also, for
>full and proper acknowledgment a "Works Cited" page must be included at
>the end of the paper. When in doubt about citing sources and documenting
>them, consult the instructor; the penalties for plagiarism are stiff and
>strictly enforced.
I'll repeat the key phrase:
"If a student presents ideas and/or specific language from these or other
sources as though he has invented them himself, he is guilty of plagiarism.
To take another person's ideas, even when those ideas are put into the
student's own words, is to be guilty of plagiarism unless the reader is
told that this has been done. "
- badenov
Nomen Nescio
>Here's an old trick (Sorry, IB I don't recall where I learned it) for
>reducing the magnetic field. Drive one or two 10d nails into the wood close
>to the magnet.
Allow me to refresh your memory. You read that trick in the same book of
Sentrol application notes in which you found the gun rack contact trick.
Remember now?
- badenov
RH Campbell
Perhaps these guys missed taking the same business course that the brass at
Enron very clearly missed....Business Ethics 101....
Regards,
RHC
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"RH Campbell" <rh.ca...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Hehehe...beat yuh to it eh ? Seriously though, Mark Leuck once took me to
task a little bit about my criticism of Detection Systems for those faulty
motions. He implied that I was being a bit too harsh with them, because,
quite rightly, all companies at one time or another put out faulty
products.
.........snip a whole bunch of stuff.......
Robert L. Bass
"Mike Dupre" <mdu...@medi-call.ca> wrote in message
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> Robert L. Bass wrote in message
> <-MWdna73KsQ...@News.GigaNews.Com>...
> >Part of my knowledge comes from the things I've learned from others.
Part
> >comes from studying manuals and books. Part comes from things I've
thought
> >up myself. If you had asked, "Did you get that idea from Sentrol's
> >'Application Notebook?,'" I'd have said, yes, I think that's where I
> learned
> >that one. But I couldn't have told you the page without looking it up
like
> >you just did.
>
> You are a deceptive and sneaky man. I had to look up the page number but I
> know the idea was Sentrol's and not yours and so did you.
English translation: Dupre can't thingk of a logical argument to support
his attack so he resorts to insults.
> >Now I'll ask you a question, Mr. Dupre. Aside from attacking me, what do
> >you contribute to this forum?
>
> If you left some of the easier questions unanswered, perhaps I could
> contribute.
Oh, that explains it. Because I already gave the correct answers you are
depraved ... er, deprived of the opportunity to contribute anytrhing
worthwhile. In the piovery of your predicament you have no choice but to
post attacks and useless drivel. How could I ever have doubted your
sincerity, your benevalence, your earnest desire to contribute good and
wholesome... [excuse me for a minute. I have to go in the other room and
throw up]
...
> Besides, I'm here to learn and share, not troll for dollars;
> your contributions come at too high a price.
Oh, so you wanted to "learn and share." How warm and fuzzy. Gee, Dupre --
you're such a charming student. [aggkh...]
>> Perhaps I missed it but I don't recall you
>> ever posting a single helpful tech support
>> response in the last year or so.
>
> That's because you had me plonked, right?
Google didn't plonk you. It took less than 2 seconds to display your last
100 messages. Every one of them is a flame or a "me too" over someone
else's rant. You add zip, zero, zilch plus nada to the forum. Your posts
are the technical equivalent of pornography -- no redeeming social value --
only without the pictures.
>> I'm not questioning your knowledge of alarms.
>
> Yes you are.
> I'm hear to learn, why would the question bother me?
>
>> But I wonder with your own vast experience just
>> how much of what you post has anything to do with
>> security alarms vs. the sort of "drivel" you've
>> inserted into this thread.
>>
> >Here's your "contribution" over the past few weeks (from
> >mdu...@medi-call.ca ):
> >
>
> At least it fits on one page.
So does an average dog poop.
> Seriously, I've said it before and I'll say it again,
> Take your store to the ads newsgroup. Nobody
> minds the odd pitch here and there but you abuse.
Drop dead and on the way down hit your head. I'm not going anywhere. You
are free to stick around posting childish taunts and "LOL" every time some
other moron posts grade school curses. I'm here to answer tech support
posts from DIY'rs and newbies. In the process I'm building my online
business. If you don't like it, feel free jump off of something tall.
Alarminex
Campbell" <rh.ca...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>Subject: Re: Distence between magnetic door sensors?
>From: "RH Campbell" <rh.ca...@sympatico.ca>
>Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:43:42 GMT
>
>Wow, that's some warranty ! Ok, thanks, I'll take a look at Sentrol's
>version of the wide gap window contact I presently use (over 100 a month...)
>I do know their products are well known generally in the industry for their
>quality. And I especially appreciate that the company stands behind their
>products like that ....are you listening Detection Systems ???
>
>RHC
I believe Amseco has the same warrantee.
I've used Ademco and Amseco for well over 25 years.
Occasional GRI. I think, dimensionally, they've got the smallest surface mount
contact.
Just a point of information for anyone who is interested. Amseco's AMS 10,
surface mount contacts, with leads attached, are pretty popular (around here,
anyway). But, did you know that they also have a terminal version the AMS 10-T?
I've not seen a screw terminal contact as small as this. Comes in handy to have
both a lead type and terminal type contact, in a close- to- the- same- size
footprint.
Robert L. Bass
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>
> >Here's an old trick (Sorry, IB I don't recall where I learned it) for
> >reducing the magnetic field. Drive one or two 10d nails into the wood
close
> >to the magnet.
>
> Allow me to refresh your memory.
With another of your lying flames? OK, give it your best shot.
> You read that trick in the same book of Sentrol application
> notes in which you found the gun rack contact trick.
Nope. At first I thjought it had also come from there and I looked for it
but apparently no joy.
> Remember now?
Nope. Must've been someplace else. It took less than two minutes to
I'm curious about something though. Have you learned any techniques from
studying guides like the Sentrol Application Notebook, manufacturers'
manuals, other folks' FAQs, etc? I learn from every source I can get my
hands on. You may have noticed that I possess a bit more knowledge of
constitutional law than you and the rest of the IB. That's because I spend
a lot of my spare time studying instead of drinking beer and practicing
Darwinesque driving techniques on a Harley.
Anyone too stupid to learn from the vast array of sources available in this
industry really has no right to call himself a "professional" installer.
You can flame me for posting things I've learned over 25 years in the trade
until you're blue in the face. I'll still know more about installing and
servicing alarms than you and most of the dummies you hang out with -- while
you hide behind a remailer.
Robert L. Bass
a Marvin window," if you don't cite the precise source of a technique you
learned years ago while parsing my web site you would be guilty of
plagiarism? OK.
> "If a student presents ideas and/or specific language from these or other
> sources as though he has invented them himself, he is guilty of
plagiarism.
> To take another person's ideas, even when those ideas are put into the
> student's own words, is to be guilty of plagiarism unless the reader is
> told that this has been done. "
As usual, you totally misunderstand application.
Robert L. Bass
> I believe Amseco has the same warrantee.
>
> I've used Ademco and Amseco for well over 25 years.
Ademco and Amseco make some of the cheapest switches on the market. I quit
using Ademco magnetic sensors because they kept failing in service after a
few years. It's just not worth risking your reputation to save a couple of
dollars buying cheap sensors. Shame on you, Jim.
C G
Was this question for me? I had trouble realizing it because
for some reason you are removing the line identifying who wrote
the quoted text.
I really do not understand the relevance of your question to
the thread. Did I say ANYTHING about something in this thread
being in someone's FAQ? Nope, didn't think so.
Chuck
PS. I'm a bit curious why you replied to my post. There's
many online stores with FAQs. IIRC I did not cite any specific
one in my post.
TG
A few years ago I set up my gun rack exactly the way you guys have
been arguing about... I had never even heard of the Sentrol
Applications notes, I had never heard of this news group, I had never
seen anyone set up a bug in a similar way before, but I came up with
the exact same solution to the problem.
What I'm trying to say is that certain things in this world are so
logical... certain ways to set up sensors like this is so obvious if a
person looks at the gun rack and thinks about it with a logical mind
he will most likely come up with the same exact way.
That being said, Frank, sometimes you pick the lamest shit to try and
pin on Bass. When you pick nits like this it's obvious you are just
picking at the man... choose your battles more carefully.. Tons of the
lame little shit just makes you look bad and then when he does
something really major, we will all be ignoring you because we will
have come to believe you are only here to smear crap around to try and
make the man look bad.
Alarminex
<rober...@comcast.net> writes:
>Subject: Re: Distence between magnetic door sensors?
>From: "Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net>
>Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:53:01 -0400
>
>
><snip>
>> >Here's your "contribution" over the past few weeks (from
>> >mdu...@medi-call.ca ):
>> >
>>
>> At least it fits on one page.
>
>So does an average dog poop.
So it follows then, that you contribute more shit than anyone ........
But we already knew that.
>
>> Seriously, I've said it before and I'll say it again,
>> Take your store to the ads newsgroup. Nobody
>> minds the odd pitch here and there but you abuse.
>
>Drop dead and on the way down hit your head. I'm not going anywhere. You
>are free to stick around posting childish taunts and "LOL" every time some
>other moron posts grade school curses. I'm here to answer tech support
>posts from DIY'rs and newbies. In the process I'm building my online
>business. If you don't like it, feel free jump off of something tall.
How about the stack of lies you tell?
Alarminex
<nob...@dizum.com> writes:
>Subject: Re: Distence between magnetic door sensors?
>From: Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com>
>Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:30:20 +0200 (CEST)
What about if he takes someone elses description of how to wire a window, put's
it on his web site and still gets it wrong? :-)
No reply is necessary. I already know the answer.
Alarminex
<mdu...@medi-call.ca> writes:
>Subject: Re: Distence between magnetic door sensors?
>From: "Mike Dupre" <mdu...@medi-call.ca>
>Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:48:27 GMT
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA .......
What a great response!
Kudos!
>
>Seriously, I've said it before and I'll say it again,
>Take your store to the ads newsgroup. Nobody minds the odd pitch here
>and there but you abuse. Go away.
>
>
>
>
RH Campbell
switches over time than either Tane or GRI. This IS scary considering I've
now gone to using Ademco window switches almost exclusively....
Bob, can you confirm this.....if so, maybe I should reconsider my
decision..!!
RHC
"Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Ademco switches
You yo-yo
Amseco and Ademco switches are highly rated. Both brands are the equal
to any Sentrol comparable switch.
I notice you sell Ademco switches-
Shame on you bAss for lying, once again.
Besides- how would you know? You only use Sentrols.
Jake
>
Where was the blast at Campbell for using Ademco?
Be consistent bAss, be consistent.
Jake
news:3DA4D8D0...@yahoo.com.nospam:
GUILT that's why
He just got smacked for stealing from the Sentrol Application book- it
'was' also on his FAQ pages :-)
Jake
Robert L. Bass
1. Sentrol
2. GRI
3. Ademco
4. Amseco
9999. Tane
"RH Campbell" <rh.ca...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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C G
Gosh, no. Is this really true? Oh my! I went to his site and sure
enough, I think I found exactly what you are talking about. It's in
the Sentrol Application book that he includes in his FAQ. Is this
what you are talking about?
You people are sooooo easily baited!!!
Think I've said this before, but I think a serious "time-out"
could be in order. On the one side is RLB. He's irritating many
people by using the group as a means to promote his business.
However, as a DIYer, I do have respect for the amount of time,
energy, and heart he has put into his web site. I will not get
into a discussion about the quality every single technical detail.
Something people should notice, if they bothered to look at the
FAQs that are on his site, is that most of the time he does
identify the source of the information he includes. I will also
not get into a discussion of his prices, that's something each
buyer can do on their own. I am saying that even though I
disagree with some of his methods, I at least respect the work
he has done to help the DIYer group make informed decisions about
designing, buying, installing, and setting up this stuff.
On the other side are a bunch of other people. I have not
bothered trying to keep a list of names. This side of the
fence is attacking every little thing RLB says. It even
gets so low you start attacking his spelling when he has a
simple typo of "uis" when he meant to type "is". Add to this
the fact that many of the attackers are not even adult enough
to identify themselves. To this camp I say, GROW UP!!!
Nobody is perfect. Nobody has all the answers. Everybody
has something to offer to this news group.
I am not on either side of this argument. I am one of those
in the middle who just comes here looking for information.
Here's a peace offering from another group I participate in.
Plastic's on the bar, drinks are on me. Everyone have one
or two of their favorites, Scottish single malt for me. Take
some time to chill out, and find a way to get along better.
Night all, tomorrow's a new day. Perhaps we will awake to a
new and more peaceful world, starting with A.S.A.
Chuck
Alarminex
<rober...@comcast.net> writes:
>Subject: Re: Distence between magnetic door sensors?
>From: "Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net>
>Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:24:36 -0400
If I've had one or two switches fail for no reason, in 25 years, thats alot.
If you really knew what you were talking about you'd know that there are only
about 3 major manufacturers of reed contacts and all the alarm manufacturers
buy from them. So as far as quality of switches goes, there's hardly a
difference. And you talk about Tane switches being inferior, without knowing
that they manufacture and supply more reed contacts to industry, than just
about any other manufacturer in the world. And employ close to 1000 people
...... just making reeds and reed relays for companies around the world. For
all you know, it's very likely the reeds you use may very well be made by
Tane!
So what's new? You're talking through your hat again. Lying and boasting about
something you know little about.
So shame on YOU, you asshole.
Alarminex
<txtgu...@houston.rr.com> writes:
>Subject: Re: Distence between magnetic door sensors?
>From: TG <txtgu...@houston.rr.com>
>Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:21:55 GMT
Yeah ..... but regardless, it's still not hard to do.
If he's bad ..... he's bad. No one can paint him worse that he paints himself.
Have you ever noticed that there's not much in the way of appropriate words, to
describe his behavior?
Alarminex
<rober...@comcast.net> writes:
>Subject: Re: Distence between magnetic door sensors?
>From: "Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net>
>Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:17:43 -0400
WELL! There ya have it folks. All in one compact statement.
And you mute dummies are willing to sit there and let this egotistical piece of
shit say what ever the hell pleases him, without any regard, what so ever for
anyone.
Quote: You may have noticed that I possess a bit more knowledge of
constitutional law than you and the rest of the IB. That's because I spend
a lot of my spare time studying instead of drinking beer and practicing
Darwinesque driving techniques on a Harley. End Quote
Quote: I'll still know more about installing and servicing alarms than you
and most of the dummies you hang out with -- while you hide behind a remailer.
End Quote.
So this is acceptable to you ..... is it?
Well if there IS an idiot brigade here, it DAMN well isn't the people who
rebuke this disgraceful, deceitful, uncaring and insidious vermin.
Alarminex
<rober...@comcast.net> writes:
>Subject: Re: Distence between magnetic door sensors?
>From: "Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net>
>Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:30:02 -0400
>
>I'd put it in this order (lower # = higher quality)
>
>1. Sentrol
>2. GRI
>3. Ademco
>4. Amseco
>9999. Tane
>
>
What an idiot!
Alarminex
Campbell" <rh.ca...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>Subject: Re: Distence between magnetic door sensors?
>From: "RH Campbell" <rh.ca...@sympatico.ca>
>Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:53:26 GMT
>
>Ouch !! Are you saying that I may expect to have more trouble with Ademco
>switches over time than either Tane or GRI. This IS scary considering I've
>now gone to using Ademco window switches almost exclusively....
>
>Bob, can you confirm this.....if so, maybe I should reconsider my
>decision..!!
>
Robert don't even consider changing. Ademco has produced fine switches for 50
years in this industry.
See my other post about the source of reeds in the alarm industry. Any of the
major providers, are all using similar if not the same basic reeds. And Tane is
one of the biggest mfgs in the world.
Just another Bullshit story because SFB promotes Sentrol. Mainly because he can
get more money for them.
m..leuck
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Robert L. Bass
"Alarminex" <alar...@aol.comQzapp> wrote in message
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> In article <IHGdnWnNp6t...@News.GigaNews.Com>, "Robert L. Bass"
> <rober...@comcast.net> writes:
>
> >Subject: Re: Distence between magnetic door sensors?
> >From: "Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net>
> >Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:24:36 -0400
> >
> >
> >> I believe Amseco has the same warrantee.
> >>
> >> I've used Ademco and Amseco for well over 25 years.
> >
> >Ademco and Amseco make some of the cheapest switches on the market. I
quit
> >using Ademco magnetic sensors because they kept failing in service after
a
> >few years. It's just not worth risking your reputation to save a couple
of
> >dollars buying cheap sensors. Shame on you, Jim.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> If I've had one or two switches fail for no reason, in 25 years, thats
alot.
Sure... sure... sure. Like anyone with real experience actually believes
that. Heh, heh, heh.
> If you really knew what you were talking about you'd
> know that there are only about 3 major manufacturers
> of reed contacts and all the alarm manufacturers buy
> from them.
However, there are some who only buy the cheapest reeds. Those are then
sold by the sleaziest dealers. I wouldn't recommend Ademco switches under
any circumstances. They have made a few decent motion detectors over the
years but quality installers avoid their switches. I'm really disappointed
in you, Jimmy. I thought even though you're a repugnant coward with a
fourth grade vocabulary hiding your identity while you fill the news group
with verbal effluent that at least you were a stand up guy as an installer.
Now I see that I was wrong. You're not even a good installer. How
disappointing.
> So as far as quality of switches goes, there's hardly a
> difference.
Sure, Jimmy. Sure. Keep repeating that mantra. After a while you'll
believe it. No one else will, but that's OK.
> And you talk about Tane switches being inferior,
> without knowing that they manufacture and supply
> more reed contacts to industry, than just about any
> other manufacturer in the world.
McDonalds sells more hamburgers than anyone else. Try living on their food
21 meals a week and you'll be dead before you're stup... well, OK after
that.
> And employ close to 1000 people
Not in the alarm products division. Sentrol is part of GE Interlogix.
They're orders of magnitude bigger than Tane.
BTW, I recall when Tane first started making switches (around 18 years or so
ago). A couple of disgruntled ex-Sentrol guys started offering what
appeared to be a cheap knock-off on the Sentrol 3/8" recessed contact. They
called and offered me some free samples. I tried a few, found them
unacceptable. Several friends in the trade have expressed similar results
years later. No need to use morwe of their switches. I'll stick to Sentrol
and (when appropriate) GRI.
> ...... just making reeds and reed relays for companies
> around the world...
So they claim...
> For all you know...
That's clearly a very limited quantity, Jimmy.
> it's very likely the reeds you use may very well
> be made by Tane!
So you believe that Sentrol buys reeds from Tane? Heh, heh, heh.
> So what's new? You're talking through your hat again.
Hmm. You espouse bold assumptions that you admit in the same breath you
don't know and now you claim I'm talking through my hat? You need to clean
your mirror, Jimmy.
Nomen Nescio
>With another of your lying flames? OK, give it your best shot.
I haven't needed to lie. Quoting your own nonsense back to you is far
more effective.
>I'm curious about something though. Have you learned any techniques from
>studying guides like the Sentrol Application Notebook, manufacturers'
>manuals, other folks' FAQs, etc? I learn from every source I can get my
>hands on. You may have noticed that I possess a bit more knowledge of
>constitutional law than you and the rest of the IB. That's because I spend
>a lot of my spare time studying instead of drinking beer and practicing
>Darwinesque driving techniques on a Harley.
Why certainly, I learn from others. And when I use their material
publicly, I give credit where credit is due. I don't read things in books
and then pretend they're my own ideas.
And you really shouldn't brag about being an expert in constitutional law.
See my comments in the licensing thread, where I demonstrate your ignorance
of the subject. Have you even heard the term "dormant Commerce Clause"
before?
I'm sure the other participants here continue to be thrilled with your
characterization of them as beer-guzzling maniac Harley riders. We are so
reassured to know that anyone who does not pay homage to your "superior"
intellect is by definition an idiot, and probably a liar as well.
>You can flame me for posting things I've learned over 25 years in the trade
>until you're blue in the face. I'll still know more about installing and
>servicing alarms than you and most of the dummies you hang out with
You only have 25 years in the business? I've got you beat, as do many
others here. And based on your grand technical pigheadedness, as evidenced
byhigh-quality "tips" like the "diode battery harness," I think it's safe
to say that you're not qualified to carry my tools, much less give expert
advice on alarm systems.
- badenov
Mike Simpson
North America with ABS brakes contains Tane reed switches.
If you disagree you can reach him at (800) 852-5050.
Mike Simpson
still for sale
>
> "Alarminex" <alar...@aol.comQzapp> wrote in message
> news:20021009224429...@mb-mv.aol.com...
>> In article <IHGdnWnNp6t...@News.GigaNews.Com>, "Robert L.
>> Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> writes:
>>
>> >Subject: Re: Distence between magnetic door sensors?
>> >From: "Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net>
>> >Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:24:36 -0400
>> >
>> >
>> >> I believe Amseco has the same warrantee.
>> >>
>> >> I've used Ademco and Amseco for well over 25 years.
>> >
>
Jake
Sentrol are great
Ademco are also
Amseco are probably as good, they are just more limited in their
offerings but do have an awesome 6" gap model!
GRI- I've used thousands and ALWAYS check them prior to install (I do
that with models anyway)
I've had a few bad as new. The good ones seem to last well.
Aleph are also good.
United Security twist-locs everyone should have a few.
Edwards roller balls
The "ammo pack" Ademco are fine contacts.
"RH Campbell" <rh.ca...@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:q45p9.171367$q41.1...@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com:
G. Morgan
Everything Jim said... Times two. bAss hole, I hope you get this.
Graham
Robert L. Bass
Office at the White House. Guess how much truth there was in that claim.
"Mike Simpson" <msi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ao2tkm$ip8ma$1...@ID-123047.news.dfncis.de...
Jake
@yahoo.com.nospam:
>
> Gosh, no. Is this really true? Oh my! I went to his site and sure
> enough, I think I found exactly what you are talking about. It's in
> the Sentrol Application book that he includes in his FAQ. Is this
> what you are talking about?
>
> You people are sooooo easily baited!!!
No GC-
That is not what I was talking about.
The glory you basked in was premature. It was the FAQ pages he claimed he
wrote that came from other web sites and posts.
As to nit-picking, you have no history. You truly have not seen nits until
bAss gets wound up.
Whatever GC.
Mike Simpson
As I said above...call him if you dispute his claim...his 800 # is above.
Mike Simpson
G. Morgan
>Amseco are probably as good, they are just more limited in their
>offerings but do have an awesome 6" gap model!
Six inches? Wow. Never seen one of those. Let me measure it by my........
Oh nevermind!
It worked. Halfway though!
Nice equipment, if I do say so. :-}
Graham
Robert L. Bass
Oh, I get it. If I don't believe it I should call him and he will tell me
it's true. Gee, that ought to prove a lot. Heh, heh, heh.
Frank Olson
:-)
VSS DOUG
sleazy dealers you are telling us about, here's a direct quote of what you have
had to say about Ademco reeds in the past
" you can probably use ordinary concealed contacts, such as Sentrol 1275W
or the virtually identical Ademco 944W. There are lots of other good
brands, but these are a couple I like to use".
(http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=lMiT1.98995%24Xy6
.36475522%40news.rdc1.ct.home.com)
I guess they are good brands until Jim uses them, then in your haste to take a
swipe at him you insert both feet in your mouth and fall flat on your face.
Doug L
RLB wrote
Robert L. Bass
of my agreements with certain distributors and manufacturers. However, I
*never* recommend Ademco mag sensors. Anyone who tries to buy one is
advised about problems I've had with them in the past.
I also list the hundreds of Sentrol switches, though I almost always sell
the same four or five models.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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"VSS DOUG" <vss...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Frank Olson
Frank Olson
Robert L. Bass wrote:
> So when during a class session the teacher asks, "Nomen, tell us how to wire
> a Marvin window," if you don't cite the precise source of a technique you
> learned years ago while parsing my web site you would be guilty of
> plagiarism? OK.
There are a several methods to wire windows. You don't have the
"exclusive" one on any...
