Brinks Home Security Fraud
Anonymous Sender
since I would not sell their service, they would not terminate the service, but this they did not tell you when you sign up. they are scum. we were assured there would be no problems till the collectors started calling and the letters flowed. they have a built in auto renewal clause hidden in their lease which assures them of extra lease time when you contract expires, so you have to beware.
they are like herpes, you cant get rid of them. try talking to their pseudo para legal, who informs you of their richeousness in fraudlent and deliberate misrepresentation. they mess with your credit - hell will freeze over before they collect another dime. Dont use this company - cancel as soon as you can. Make all of their representatives put their promises in writing.
Jerry
Dallas, Texas
U.S.A.
Brinks, Brinks Home Security FRAUD, DECEPTIVE PRACTICES, CONSUMER RIPOFF, DELIBERATE MISREPRESENTATION, FRAUDLENT CONTRACTS they are like herpes, you cant get rid of them IRVING Texas
Brinks Home Security
Phone: 214-7500296
Fax: 214-7501716
8880 Esters Road
Irving, Texas, 75063
U.S.A.
Sallie
these unethical business practices!
God Damn It! The "free" security system should be free, but it's not.
Listen, pay out the remainder of your contract and chalk it up to
experience. You're not the first and you won't be the last. Besides,
Brink will spend a quarter million dollars to bring you to court to
collect their three hundred.
Barney
http://westflorida.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=47&bbb=0653&firm=41001663
you coulda done business with this scumbag.
"Anonymous Sender" <anon...@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message
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Nomen Nescio
Brinks around to hide all the real complaints, therefore giving
the illusion of a satisfactory rating. According to the BBB, Brinks
headquarters is in Naperville, CA. We all know that their HQ is in
Irving, TX. This is a classic example how corrupt the BBB has become.
Compared to Brinks, Robert Bass is a saint.
Anonymous Sender
George Orwell
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Petem
Wow. bAss a saint.. I cant imagine how bad brinks can be....
Anonymous Sender
companies like Brinks as well. That's because Dave Simon just
so happens be to a board member of several associations like
the IQ Certification board, as well as a few others. The good old
boys club at its best. Bankers have been running this same shell game
for over 100 years.
Edmond Fitzgerald
"Anonymous Sender" <anon...@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message
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> company. their sales representatives, tell you you can terminate at any
> time with no problems, just notify them. that is totally false. i signed
> up my office building with them, it was sold two years later. when we
> moved they told us we had to sell their service to the next buyer of our
> building or we could not terminate the service. not likely.
>
> since I would not sell their service, they would not terminate the
> service, but this they did not tell you when you sign up. they are scum.
> we were assured there would be no problems till the collectors started
> calling and the letters flowed. they have a built in auto renewal clause
> hidden in their lease which assures them of extra lease time when you
> contract expires, so you have to beware.
>
> they are like herpes, you cant get rid of them. try talking to their
> pseudo para legal, who informs you of their richeousness in fraudlent and
> deliberate misrepresentation. they mess with your credit - hell will
> freeze over before they collect another dime. Dont use this company -
> cancel as soon as you can. Make all of their representatives put their
> promises in writing.
>
> Jerry
> Dallas, Texas
> U.S.A.
>
My advice to Jerry the businessman from Dallas, Texas USA: Hire someone
who can read a contract, understand it, and explain it to you. Your
business will run a lot smoother as a result you knowing what you have
agreed to do and knowing how to avoid the pit falls as you make your through
the business jungle. Hopefully this also enable you to keep away from that
particular hell which is the US court system.
failur_drill
<anonym...@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote:
> If you ever want to get really screwed - sign up with this horrible company. their sales representatives, tell you you can terminate at any time with no problems, just notify them. that is totally false. i signed up my office building with them, it was sold two years later. when we moved they told us we had to sell their service to the next buyer of our building or we could not terminate the service. not likely.
I just moved in to a house with a Brinks system already in it. My
uncle is a professional alarm installer, so I had him look at it. He
said the system wasn't very good, and he put in a real nice one for
me. I helped him do it, and really learned a lot. Brinks commercials
make it seem they are the best, but my uncle says they really don't do
a very good installation. He showed me some reasons, and we took some
pictures of our installation, and of the Brinks wiring that we
removed. You can see the pictures at
http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk41/computorman/
Wow, I guess my uncle was right. He said it looked like the Brinks
guys were in a big hurry, or maybe they just didn't care about their
system.
Jim Rojas
That is the cleanest Brinks install I have ever seen.
Jim Rojas
Crash Gordon
But I have to agree with Jim Rojas' comment...that's a pretty clean install
for a Binky job.
--
**Crash Gordon**
"failur_drill" <failu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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George Orwell
They are not in a hurry, their technicians pay check reflects the level of professionalism Brinks brings to the alarm industry. In other words, you get what you pay for. The previous homeowner probably got it for free, or close to it.
Excellent job on the panel relocation.
Send those pictures to Dave Simon at Brinks. He can implement them with their IQ Certification program, on what a truly professional installation is suppose to look like.
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alarman
>> You can see the pictures at
>>> http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk41/computorman/
>>> Wow, I guess my uncle was right. He said it looked like the Brinks
>>> guys were in a big hurry, or maybe they just didn't care about their
>>> system.
>
> http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk41/computorman/?action=view¤t=P5280050.jpg
I thought you didn't read google posts.
--
js
Cut the RED wire. No...wait!
tourman
what you pay for in business. It seems as soon as the word "free"
comes up, the average joe shifts his brain into neutral !! And in
doing so, he also plays right into the hands of the advertising gurus,
who make a career out of lying for a living.....
There's another "truism" that I have found in our industry (and which
likely exists in most others). Those who advertise the most, give you
the least for your money. Who the hell do people think is actually
paying for all that advertising and the other massive overheads of all
large businesses ?..!!
If people continue to allow themselves to get suckered in by the likes
of ADT, Brinks and Alarmforce, then frankly they deserve everything
they get for not doing even a modicum of research on the subject. With
the amount of information freely available to everyone today, there is
simply no excuse for such negligent decisions !!
A fool and his money are soon parted. So be it.....
R.H.Campbell
www.homemetal.com
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
On Jun 12, 7:50 am, Sallie <SalMoni...@realname.com > wrote:
> Wow, this guy is really on the ball, I would have never known about
> these unethical business practices!
>
> God Damn It! The "free" security system should be free, but it's not.
>
> Listen, pay out the remainder of your contract and chalk it up to
> experience. You're not the first and you won't be the last. Besides,
> Brink will spend a quarter million dollars to bring you to court to
> collect their three hundred.
>
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:11:34 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous Sender
>
Crash Gordon
crushed/restricted...Binky was probably standing on it at some point.
--
**Crash Gordon**
"G. Morgan" <no...@il.invalid> wrote in message
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>>You can see the pictures at
>>> http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk41/computorman/
>>> Wow, I guess my uncle was right. He said it looked like the Brinks
>>> guys were in a big hurry, or maybe they just didn't care about their
>>> system.
>
> Hey look! He forgot his Grabbit!
> http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk41/computorman/?action=view¤t=P5280050.jpg
>
>
> --
>
> -G
>
> Eliminate Googletards - http://www.improve-usenet.org/
Sallie
wrote:
>>You can see the pictures at
>>> http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk41/computorman/
>>> Wow, I guess my uncle was right. He said it looked like the Brinks
>>> guys were in a big hurry, or maybe they just didn't care about their
>>> system.
>
>Hey look! He forgot his Grabbit!
>http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk41/computorman/?action=view¤t=P5280050.jpg
Doesn't matter someone else has to pay for it.
Sallie
IQ Certification! What fuckin' hogwash. I remember when it was in
the mix and they NBFAA was selling it to Brinks. Knew it was bullshit
then and it's still bullshit now. The best installs are the ones
where you pays your monies.
Mark Leuck
"Anonymous Sender" <anon...@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message
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> company. their sales representatives, tell you you can terminate at any
> time with no problems, just notify them. that is totally false. i signed
> up my office building with them, it was sold two years later. when we
> moved they told us we had to sell their service to the next buyer of our
> building or we could not terminate the service. not likely.
>
> since I would not sell their service, they would not terminate the
> service, but this they did not tell you when you sign up. they are scum.
> we were assured there would be no problems till the collectors started
> calling and the letters flowed. they have a built in auto renewal clause
> hidden in their lease which assures them of extra lease time when you
> contract expires, so you have to beware.
>
> they are like herpes, you cant get rid of them. try talking to their
> pseudo para legal, who informs you of their richeousness in fraudlent and
> deliberate misrepresentation. they mess with your credit - hell will
> freeze over before they collect another dime. Dont use this company -
> cancel as soon as you can. Make all of their representatives put their
> promises in writing.
>
> Jerry
> Dallas, Texas
> U.S.A.
The only fraud in this is you
Mark Leuck
"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
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Not if you take into account the complaint per person ratio
RLB is one guy and has 30+ complaints, figure out how many it would take for
a company the size of Brinks to reach that
Frank Olson
Nice pics. The Brinks install sucks. They take the time to run that
much wire in the attic and they've never heard of "drive rings" or
staples? And mounting the can there??? What's with that?? It's a
service nightmare. You've got to get your ladder out every time you
want to get into the panel... Yech!!! If *any* of my guys did an
installation like that, I'd kick their skinny asses out the door.
It looks to me like your uncle knows what he's doing. And it's great
that he's showing you the ropes. I just hope he spells better than
you... "computorman". :-)
Crash Gordon
--
**Crash Gordon**
"G. Morgan" <no...@il.invalid> wrote in message
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> Crash Gordon wrote:
>
>>I'd reposition that airduct work...looks like it's
>>crushed/restricted...Binky was probably standing on it at some point.
>
> Probably, that or he had it disconnected to blow cold air on him while he
> wired the panel. :-)
Crash Gordon
then that is a GREAT place to put the panel ain't it?
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**Crash Gordon**
"Frank Olson" <use_the_e...@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote in message
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Crash Gordon
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**Crash Gordon**
"Mark Leuck" <mle...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
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BDEBJ
"> Well, when you sell 5 amphr batteries for 39.95 + 100.00 service call ...
another lie from you!!
alarman
What is the actual cost of a Brinks service call and battery replacement?
Crash Gordon
--
**Crash Gordon**
"BDEBJ" <spamsux.com> wrote in message
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Barney
> ...
>
>
> another lie from you!!
yea, how dare you besmirch binky. those are 4 Ah batteries, you fibber you.
alarman
> "> Well, when you sell 5 amphr batteries for 39.95 + 100.00 service
> call ... another lie from you!!
What is the actual price? Bueller?...Bueller?
Frank Olson
> "> Well, when you sell 5 amphr batteries for 39.95 + 100.00 service call ...
>
>
> another lie from you!!
>
>
Heh... that's nuthin' new. According to Bass, we're all a bunch of
liars...
BDEBJ
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> BDEBJ wrote:
>> "> Well, when you sell 5 amphr batteries for 39.95 + 100.00 service
>> call ...
>>
>> another lie from you!!
>
> What is the actual cost of a Brinks service call and battery replacement?
if the cust has a warranty....nothing
without the warranty it's $50 for the batt....depending on how long
the cust has been with brinks, there could be a $50 service charge...NOT
$100!!!!
BDEBJ
"Crash Gordon"
> realllyyyy?
yes, realllyyyy!!!!
you like to just throw crap out there hoping
that no one knows the facts!!!! it's just more lies!!
Robert L Bass
>
> yes, realllyyyy!!!!
You charge $50 for a 4AH, 12-Volt battery? ADI wholesales them at $7.99. How
do you justify that 725% markup?
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
==============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
Customer Service 941-870-2310
Fax 941-870-3252
==============================>
Joe
> "BDEBJ" <spamsux.com> wrote:
>>
>> yes, realllyyyy!!!!
>
> You charge $50 for a 4AH, 12-Volt battery? ADI wholesales them at
> $7.99. How do you justify that 725% markup?
>
BDEBJ
"Robert L Bass" <Rober...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "BDEBJ" <spamsux.com> wrote:
>>
>> yes, realllyyyy!!!!
>
> You charge $50 for a 4AH, 12-Volt battery? ADI wholesales them at $7.99.
> How do you justify that 725% markup?
>
how do you justify anything you do??!?!?
Robert L Bass
>
> how do you justify anything you do??!?!?
I don't have to. Unlike your company, I treat my clients fairly.
Mark Leuck
> "BDEBJ" »»» Brinks Salesdrone ««« wrote:
>>
>> how do you justify anything you do??!?!?
>
> I don't have to. Unlike your company, I treat my clients fairly.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
His idea of fair most likely involves a service call to not only replace the
battery but to test and verify proper system operation and fix other
potential problems the customer may not be aware of.
Your idea of fair is contracting a third party to mail the customer a box
containing a battery
Robert L Bass
>
> His idea of fair most likely involves a service call to not only replace the
> battery but to test and verify proper system operation and fix other
> potential problems the customer may not be aware of.
Leave it to Leuck to try to justify Brinks
> Your idea of fair is contracting a third party to mail the customer a box
> containing a battery
Most customers seem to realize they're not going to get a service visit when
they order a battery online. The real difference is I charge a fair price and
give my customers more than the level of support they expect. Brinks charges
outrageous prices and gives people lawsuits.
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
==============================>
Crash Gordon
--
**Crash Gordon**
"BDEBJ" <spamsux.com> wrote in message
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Joe
> "Mark Leuck" wrote:
>>
>> His idea of fair most likely involves a service call to not only
>> replace the battery but to test and verify proper system operation and
>> fix other potential problems the customer may not be aware of.
>
> Leave it to Leuck to try to justify Brinks
>
>> Your idea of fair is contracting a third party to mail the customer a
>> box containing a battery
>
> Most customers seem to realize they're not going to get a service visit
> when they order a battery online. The real difference is I charge a
> fair price and give my customers more than the level of support they
> expect. Brinks charges outrageous prices and gives people lawsuits.
>
your vict err customers to throw the batteries in the trash. so
actually that makes the rest of the planet and all ensuing generations
your victim.
Mark Leuck
> "Mark Leuck" wrote:
>>
>> His idea of fair most likely involves a service call to not only replace
>> the battery but to test and verify proper system operation and fix other
>> potential problems the customer may not be aware of.
>
> Leave it to Leuck to try to justify Brinks
Leave it to Bass to avoid refuting what I said
>> Your idea of fair is contracting a third party to mail the customer a box
>> containing a battery
>
> Most customers seem to realize they're not going to get a service visit
> when they order a battery online. The real difference is I charge a fair
> price and give my customers more than the level of support they expect.
> Brinks charges outrageous prices and gives people lawsuits.
Brinks provides monitoring and service to their customers, you contract
other companies to send people parts
Mark Leuck
"Joe" <sp...@spams.pam> wrote in message
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The funny part about that is I know the company who supplies Brinks with
batteries and takes the used batteries from Brinks for recycling
Joe
tourman
my service calls, as well as those of other small dealers who drop
them off. I used to have a guy who worked at the monitoring centre,
who came by periodically to pick them up for free, but he has somehow
disappeared, leaving me with several hundred old batteries to dispose
of......
I haven't taken the time to call to see if they are worth anything to
a metal recycler. But my wife is getting piss*d with the growing pile,
so I have to do something with them, and soon. Seems to me, with the
huge increase in demand for lead, they ought to be worth something.
Anybody know ???
R.H.Campbell
www.homemetal.com
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Mark Leuck
"Joe" <sp...@spams.pam> wrote in message
He will come back and say Brinks doesn't care about dead batteries either
however that is not the case
Joe
Crash Gordon
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**Crash Gordon**
"tourman" <roberc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Frank Olson
> Most customers seem to realize they're not going to get a service visit
> when they order a battery online.
> The real difference is I charge a
> fair price and give my customers more than the level of support they
> expect.
Hmmm... You mean you actually visit their home?? Or is it that you're
actually answering your phone and emails now?? What "level of support"
would one "expect" from an online alarm store and more specifically...
YOUR online store??
C'mon Bobby... This is your chance to tell us all how truly great you are.
Jim
> That reminds me, I have been collecting old used alarm batteries from
> my service calls, as well as those of other small dealers who drop
> them off. I used to have a guy who worked at the monitoring centre,
> who came by periodically to pick them up for free, but he has somehow
> disappeared, leaving me with several hundred old batteries to dispose
> of......
>
> I haven't taken the time to call to see if they are worth anything to
> a metal recycler. But my wife is getting piss*d with the growing pile,
> so I have to do something with them, and soon. Seems to me, with the
> huge increase in demand for lead, they ought to be worth something.
> Anybody know ???
>
You could send them to China!
Robert L Bass
"Mark Leuck" <mle...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert L Bass" <Rober...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:T275k.20420$3j2.11423@trnddc03...
>> "Mark Leuck" wrote:
>>>
>>> His idea of fair most likely involves a service call to not only replace
>>> the battery but to test and verify proper system operation and fix other
>>> potential problems the customer may not be aware of.
>>
>> Leave it to Leuck to try to justify Brinks
>
> Leave it to Bass to avoid refuting what I said
I did refute it. Note the second paragraph.
>>> Your idea of fair is contracting a third party to mail the customer a box
>>> containing a battery
>>
>> Most customers seem to realize they're not going to get a service visit
>> when they order a battery online. The real difference is I charge a fair
>> price and give my customers more than the level of support they expect.
>> Brinks charges outrageous prices and gives people lawsuits.
>
> Brinks provides monitoring and service to their customers, you contract
> other companies to send people parts
Again, I do what I do for a fair price. Brinks, IMO, does not.
Robert L Bass
>> vict err customers to throw the batteries in the trash. so actually that
>> makes the rest of the planet and all ensuing generations your victim.
>
> The funny part about that is I know the company who supplies Brinks with
> batteries and takes the used batteries from Brinks for recycling
I don't suggest throwing used batteries in the trash. We ship them to Brinks.
:^)
Robert L Bass
>
> That reminds me, I have been collecting old used alarm batteries from
> my service calls, as well as those of other small dealers who drop
> them off. I used to have a guy who worked at the monitoring centre,
> who came by periodically to pick them up for free, but he has somehow
> disappeared, leaving me with several hundred old batteries to dispose
> of......
>
> I haven't taken the time to call to see if they are worth anything to
> a metal recycler. But my wife is getting piss*d with the growing pile,
> so I have to do something with them, and soon. Seems to me, with the
> huge increase in demand for lead, they ought to be worth something.
> Anybody know ???
Bob, I don't know about your particular province, but BC has had a program
called "TIPS" for some years. The program pays for the cost of transporting
used lead-acid batteries to licensed processing facilities where the lead can
be recovered for use in other devices (more batteries, perhaps?). The TIPS
plan apparently is limited to brokers and processors who sign an agreement.
What, if anything, your province offers is another matter but it's probably
worth checking with local authorities.
Because lead is in high demand right now the value of your used battery
stockpile may be more than the cost of transportation and processing. I've
read stories about Chinese firms offering to buy up used batteries in bulk
(much larger quantities than any small dealer might have, I'm sure). The
problem is that the Chinese take no precautions against environmental damage
and they don't protect workers who must handle toxic materials.
Unfortunately, money talks so there is no shortage of American firms willing
to supply them with used batteries and/or to buy the processed results,
regardless who ore what may have been destroyed in the process.
Though it doesn't directly affect you, perhaps you may find the following
interesting. The EU has passed a law (they call it a "directive") concerning
recycling of used batteries. The text is here:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2006:266:0001:01:EN:HTML
Joe
I'm
> sure). The problem is that the Chinese take no precautions against
> environmental damage and they don't protect workers who must handle
> toxic materials.
gawd you just never stop making shit up do you? now you're an expert on
the Chinese, eh?
Joe
> I don't suggest throwing used batteries in the trash.
>
gawd, you are one lying bastard aren't you.
Petem
here there is a place where you drop them and they will give you 7
cent a pound..well that pric was 3 year ago, now it must be a bit
more...
tourman
wrote:
> So, you wife wants you to get the lead out....of your garage?
>
> --
> **Crash Gordon**
>
in so many words....
tourman
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> ==============================>
> Bass Home Electronics
> 4883 Fallcrest Circle
> Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
> Customer Service 941-870-2310
> Fax 941-870-3252
> ==============================>
RHC: Well I know that they must be disposed of by law in a manner that
is environmentally friendly (no trash, no landfills etc). At the
moment, I was thinking they must have some value to someone given the
huge increase in prices for lead products of all kinds. But my wife is
getting pretty ansy about them, so will have to drop them off at a
metal recycler near home and hope he doesn't charge me to take
them ...
BTW, sorry I didn't get down to visit this year. We no sooner got to
Bradenton when we were called home on a family emergency. C'est la
vie !! Next year hopefully, things will be better.....
Frank Olson
> That reminds me, I have been collecting old used alarm batteries from
> my service calls, as well as those of other small dealers who drop
> them off. I used to have a guy who worked at the monitoring centre,
> who came by periodically to pick them up for free, but he has somehow
> disappeared, leaving me with several hundred old batteries to dispose
> of......
>
> I haven't taken the time to call to see if they are worth anything to
> a metal recycler. But my wife is getting piss*d with the growing pile,
> so I have to do something with them, and soon. Seems to me, with the
> huge increase in demand for lead, they ought to be worth something.
> Anybody know ???
>
> R.H.Campbell
> www.homemetal.com
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Batteries are worth money (even dead ones). Contact your local
recycler. They'll put you in touch with someone they know that will
come around on a regular basis and pick up your batteries. That's how
we deal with ours.
A.J.
"tourman" <roberc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Frank Olson
> "> Well, when you sell 5 amphr batteries for 39.95 + 100.00 service call ...
>
>
> another lie from you!!
>
>
What is it with you? Not everyone here has experience with Brinks, but
those that do know of what they post. I notice you never bothered to
respond to me either. You just willie-nillie accuse people of "lying".
I'd suggest you stop being so confrontational. There are nicer ways
of disagreeing with someone.
Robert L Bass
>
> RHC: Well I know that they must be disposed of by law in a manner that
is environmentally friendly (no trash, no landfills etc). At the
moment, I was thinking they must have some value to someone given the
huge increase in prices for lead products of all kinds. But my wife is
getting pretty ansy about them, so will have to drop them off at a
metal recycler near home and hope he doesn't charge me to take
them ...
It's understandable she wants them out of there. Mine even had the maid try
to sweep me out a couple of times. :^)
> BTW, sorry I didn't get down to visit this year. We no sooner got to
Bradenton when we were called home on a family emergency. C'est la
vie !! Next year hopefully, things will be better.....
That's too bad. Hope everyone's OK at home.
We were both looking forward to your visit. BTW, Angela has been to a few
events with me and has mostly lost her fear of biking. A week or two back we
went to Plant City for a rally and she decided she wants to ride her own. She
wants me to buy her a Harley. I'm looking around for a decent deal on a
Sportster. Next year when you come down we'll have to do a ride.
I've got a Yamaha Venture in the garage next to my Suzuki M109R. It needs a
lot of work. We're putting new (used) carbs on it this weekend. Once we get
it going I'll either pay for a paint job, spiff up the chrome and add some LED
lights or just sell it as is for maybe $2K and buy a Goldwing for me.
tourman
> Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
> Customer Service 941-870-2310
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> ==============================>
RHC: Glad to hear your wife wants to ride with you. It makes it much
more enjoyable to have an activity that both can enjoy and share
equally.
I had a 1985 Yamaha Venture for many years and put over 180,000 miles
on it (330,000 kms). It's one hell of a fine bike with bags of power.
I drove it across the continent six times, once even dragging a heavy
trailer. Provided they have fixed the second gear problem which raises
it's head early in life, the bike is bulletproof.
Unfortunately I won't be bringing my motorcycle with me again - I'm in
the process of selling the trailer. My wife objected stenuously about
this guy on a bike that was constantly tailgating us out the back
window all the way to and from Florida...:)) She won't share the
driving when we pull the bike behind the van.
Also, I'm doing so much competitive pistol shooting these days that
every weekend up here (and in Florida) is filled with competitions,
leaving little time to ride. I have been giving some consideration to
giving up biking altogether; after 51 years of riding, I'm a bit
burned out.....(but we'll see about that over the longer term.....)
Cheers !!
BDEBJ
have no experience....they have no knowledge of what they post.
not being confrontational...seriously..not at all....i just hate when
i see someone post something "as fact" when they are compleyley wrong.
it's not as if brinks charged that much at one time, and then lowered their
price....they have never charged that much. i accuse people of lying
when i KNOW they are. i'm sorry, i don't see where you'd said anything to
me...if i missed
it i apologize. if you notice, i never stick my nose into any situation,
unless
i know i'm right....i never just "throw" stuff out there...i truly do
apologize
if what i said upset anyone...not my intention...just trying to set the
record straight.
billy
"Frank Olson" <use_the_e...@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote in message
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Robert L Bass
>
> RHC: Glad to hear your wife wants to ride with you. It makes it much
more enjoyable to have an activity that both can enjoy and share
equally.
Yep. We share other things as well. Unfortunately, she has no interest in
fishing, boating nor (especially) the Amazon. But we enjoy spending time
together doing all sorts of things. We both love to travel, too.
> I had a 1985 Yamaha Venture for many years and put over 180,000 miles on it
> (330,000 kms). It's one hell of a fine bike with bags of power. I drove it
> across the continent six times, once even dragging a heavy trailer. Provided
> they have fixed the second gear problem which raises it's head early in
> life, the bike is bulletproof.
What second gear problem is that? I haven't yet bought the Venture -- it
still belongs to a riding buddy.
> Unfortunately I won't be bringing my motorcycle with me again - I'm in the
> process of selling the trailer. My wife objected stenuously about this guy
> on a bike that was constantly tailgating us out the back window all the way
> to and from Florida...:)) She won't share the driving when we pull the bike
> behind the van.
I understand. There's an alternative, though. A Harley dealer in town rents
Sportsters and a few other models for ~$100 a day. While not cheap, it's
still less expensive than trailering a bike down from Canada. Anyway, if
you'd like to visit we can still fire up the BBQ. You'll be the only member
of the newsgroup to really know how good those burgers are. :)
> Also, I'm doing so much competitive pistol shooting these days that every
> weekend up here (and in Florida) is filled with competitions, leaving little
> time to ride. I have been giving some consideration to giving up biking
> altogether; after 51 years of riding, I'm a bit burned out.....(but we'll
> see about that over the longer term.....)
Why not quit working and just ride from one competition to the next? Yoou
won't make any money but you'll have lots of fun.
> Cheers !!
The same.
tourman
> > (330,000 kms). It's one hell of a fine bike with bags of power. I drove it
> > across the continent six times, once even dragging a heavy trailer. Provided
> > they have fixed the second gear problem which raises it's head early in
> > life, the bike is bulletproof.
>
> What second gear problem is that? I haven't yet bought the Venture -- it
> still belongs to a riding buddy.
RHC: Early model year Ventures (1983 through about 1987) lose their
second gear on or about 45 to 50K miles. The repair is a major one,
about $1500, since the tranny has to be completely torn down. Mine
went and that's what it cost. Check into this before you buy a bike in
those model years.
>
> I understand. There's an alternative, though. A Harley dealer in town rents
> Sportsters and a few other models for ~$100 a day. While not cheap, it's
> still less expensive than trailering a bike down from Canada. Anyway, if
> you'd like to visit we can still fire up the BBQ. You'll be the only member
> of the newsgroup to really know how good those burgers are. :)
RHC: Next year I'll plan on that, bike or no bike.
>
> > Also, I'm doing so much competitive pistol shooting these days that every
> > weekend up here (and in Florida) is filled with competitions, leaving little
> > time to ride. I have been giving some consideration to giving up biking
> > altogether; after 51 years of riding, I'm a bit burned out.....(but we'll
> > see about that over the longer term.....)
>
> Why not quit working and just ride from one competition to the next? You
> won't make any money but you'll have lots of fun.
RHC: Truth is Bob, I'm pretty much coasting as it is. With 1000
accounts, there's bags of money coming in, and I also have
surprisingly little service work other than batteries, new doors and
windows, and unnecessary things like telco idiots cutting my alarms
out of the loop...@#@#$%^$%#. Any new installs my son takes care of
(never more than two a week) and I do the inspections and takeovers
when they meet our standards. That keeps the base pretty much stable
once you factor in natural attrition due to people moving..Tax rates
in Canada simply don't make it worth while getting any bigger. For
every extra dollar I make, I give the government another dollar.
I travel a lot into Vermont and New York for matches sometimes 2 or
three days a week, plus the ones all over Ontario. Unfortunately, the
amount of gear I have to carry doesn't fit well even on a big bike
like the Nomad. I use a superb little Kia Rondo I picked up recently
to replace the service truck so travel is pretty cheap other than
hotels.
I'm working to get out of this industry permanently within the next
two years or so. I have become very disillusioned with it over the
last couple of years. Things seem to be getting worse for customers
not better. Mind you, customers often bring it upon themselves by not
shopping properly, but that doesn't excuse the opportunists and
scumbags of which there seem to be many.
I also missed a visit with J Rojas this year, but hope to see him next
year as well. We have long term vacation commitments in Florida for
two or three months of each winter so I will be down there quite a
bit.
Ride safe my friend.....keep the rubber down and the burgers hot...:))
Crash Gordon
spin him off.
--
**Crash Gordon**
"Frank Olson" <use_the_e...@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote in message
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tourman
> tourman wrote:
> >Early model year Ventures
>
> <snip>
>
> You ladies ever hear of email?
>
> --
>
> -G
>
> Eliminate Googletards -http://www.improve-usenet.org/
RHC: Yeah, but it's no more off topic than some of the other garbage
that passes for posts on this newsgroup.
alarman
> tourman wrote:
>
>> Early model year Ventures
>
> <snip>
>
> You ladies ever hear of email?
My thoughts EXACTLY.
--
js
Cut the RED wire. No...wait!
alarman
But you're making the rest of us ill.
tourman
RHC: Two aspirins and a shot of good whiskey might help. Then you
won't care ! Or better yet, don't read it....
Robert L Bass
>
>> What second gear problem is that? I haven't yet bought the Venture -- it
>> still belongs to a riding buddy.
>
> RHC: Early model year Ventures (1983 through about 1987) lose their
> second gear on or about 45 to 50K miles. The repair is a major one,
> about $1500, since the tranny has to be completely torn down. Mine
> went and that's what it cost. Check into this before you buy a bike in
> those model years.
Interesting. Coincidentally, I'm having a second gear problem with the M109R.
A mechanic says there's a good probability that the "shift fork" (or something
like that) is bent. According to him, the fault probably lies with the dealer
who sold and serviced it. I spoke to Suzuki today and they say they'll try to
get the dealer to repair it for free. If that fails, I might have to file a
lemon law action. Florida is fairly strict about it (not as good as
California, but still fairly pro-consumer). The clutch went out twice in less
than 6K miles. Now, at 8500 it needs a tranny overhaul. Needless to say, I'm
more than a little PO'd.
>> I understand. There's an alternative, though. A Harley dealer in town
>> rents
>> Sportsters and a few other models for ~$100 a day. While not cheap, it's
>> still less expensive than trailering a bike down from Canada. Anyway, if
>> you'd like to visit we can still fire up the BBQ. You'll be the only
>> member
>> of the newsgroup to really know how good those burgers are. :)
>
> RHC: Next year I'll plan on that, bike or no bike....
Excellent. Just let me know ahead of time so I make sure I'll be around.
Can'tr have you showing up to find a "Gone to Brazil" sign on the door. :^)
> I'm working to get out of this industry permanently within the next
> two years or so. I have become very disillusioned with it over the
> last couple of years. Things seem to be getting worse for customers
> not better. Mind you, customers often bring it upon themselves by not
> shopping properly, but that doesn't excuse the opportunists and
> scumbags of which there seem to be many.
I'm not sure it's better or worse than it always was, Bob. I always took
pride in doing offering comprehensive protection at a reasonable price. There
are a few dealers I know who seem to hold the same values. There are also,
unfortunately, those who are just in it for a fast buck. They make the whole
industry look bad. I suppose it's that way in every trade, though.
> I also missed a visit with J Rojas this year, but hope to see him next
> year as well. We have long term vacation commitments in Florida for
> two or three months of each winter so I will be down there quite a
> bit.
Maybe we can convince Rojas to get out of the garage for a few hours and join
us down here in Sarasota.
> Ride safe my friend.....keep the rubber down and the burgers hot...:))
Will do. You ought to see the shindig we're planning now. I've got a band
coming from Orlando and a local DJ to fill in during breaks. We're putting
down a dance floor. Next year I'll probably install a permanent one.
Fortunately for us (and for our neighbors) the house is shaped like a huge
"C". The music is almost inaudible at my only abutting neighbor's place and
behind our wall there's a small farm. No matter how loud or late we party, no
one ever complains. Of course, the fact that we usually invite the nearby
neighbors over doesn't hurt either. :^)
Robert L Bass
>
> RHC: Two aspirins and a shot of good whiskey might help. Then you
> won't care ! Or better yet, don't read it....
It upsets them that we're friends. :^)
tourman
> "tourman" wrote:
>
> > RHC: Two aspirins and a shot of good whiskey might help. Then you
> > won't care ! Or better yet, don't read it....
>
> It upsets them that we're friends. :^)
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> ==============================>
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> 4883 Fallcrest Circle
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> Customer Service 941-870-2310
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> ==============================>
RHC: If so, that's their problem.!!
Frank Olson
> and the only ones posting anything "as fact" are the ones who
> have no experience....they have no knowledge of what they post.
> not being confrontational...seriously..not at all....i just hate when
> i see someone post something "as fact" when they are compleyley wrong.
> it's not as if brinks charged that much at one time, and then lowered their
> price....they have never charged that much. i accuse people of lying
> when i KNOW they are. i'm sorry, i don't see where you'd said anything to
> me...if i missed
> it i apologize. if you notice, i never stick my nose into any situation,
> unless
> i know i'm right....i never just "throw" stuff out there...i truly do
> apologize
> if what i said upset anyone...not my intention...just trying to set the
> record straight.
>
> billy
"Lying" is a very strong word to use when someone may just be
misinformed. It would serve you much better if you tried being a bit
more diplomatic. For instance, Brinks does charge a connection fee (at
least in Vancouver) - something you called me a liar for. I backed up
what I said with a couple of quotes directly from their PSA. You can
Google for it.
I imagine many of the local offices set their own rates for service and
what might "fit" your area may not fit another. I know Chubb used a
standard price list for the entire country (back when I worked for them)
and head office instituted a discount policy for the various regional
and local offices. Without it, we'd have been charging "Toronto" prices
in market areas that wouldn't have accepted such pricing structures.
It's all a numbers game, Billy, and local managers are held responsible.
If you don't give them the tools to address local markets, you're
basically tying their hands and setting them up to fail. That's simply
not good business.
Robert L Bass
>
>> It upsets them that we're friends. :^)
>
Life has its little ups and downs, eh?
Jim
> "tourman" wrote:
>
> >> It upsets them that we're friends. �:^)
>
> > RHC: If so, that's their problem.!!
>
> Life has its little ups and downs, eh?
>
> --
>
Fortunately, you don't have either life or ups.
Jim
> "tourman" wrote:
>
> > RHC: Two aspirins and a shot of good whiskey might help. Then you
> > won't care ! Or better yet, don't read it....
>
> It upsets them that we're friends. �:^)
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
Now now!
What could upset anyone about the fact that an idiot is friends with a
dead man.
It's like watching Gomer Pyle and Forrest Gump have an intellegent
conversation.
Jim
>
> > But you're making the rest of us ill.
>
> > --
> > js
>
> > Cut the RED wire. No...wait!
>
> RHC: Two aspirins and a shot of good whiskey might help. Then you
> won't care ! Or better yet, don't read it
Now see that?
You DO understand how that works. And here I thought you were too
stupid to understand that since your "friend" had instituted that
"attitude" of not giving a shit what others wanted in ASA, that now
"his" attitude" can be applied to anyone else who decides they want to
voice an opinion. The same "attitude" that he's created and left
behind for years, in Usenet. And why not?
You'd rather it all come from him and no one should get upset about
it ............ right?
It's obvious why you're so pussy whipped.
tourman
> "tourman" wrote:
> Will do. You ought to see the shindig we're planning now. I've got a band
> coming from Orlando and a local DJ to fill in during breaks. We're putting
> down a dance floor. Next year I'll probably install a permanent one.
> Fortunately for us (and for our neighbors) the house is shaped like a huge
> "C". The music is almost inaudible at my only abutting neighbor's place and
> behind our wall there's a small farm. No matter how loud or late we party, no
> one ever complains. Of course, the fact that we usually invite the nearby
> neighbors over doesn't hurt either. :^)
RHC: Yes, I remember how your magnificent home is laid out. The C
shape around the pool would be an ideal place for a party. When we
come down next year, hopefully the timing will be such that my wife
and I can attend one of those parties. I can well imagine how much fun
that would be.....
PS: I see we have PO'd the "ASA hatemonger" again !! Hopefully, we
can keep up the good work......
Robert L Bass
>
> RHC: Yes, I remember how your magnificent home is laid out. The C
> shape around the pool would be an ideal place for a party. When we
> come down next year, hopefully the timing will be such that my wife
> and I can attend one of those parties. I can well imagine how much fun
> that would be.....
That would be excellent. The thing about Brazilians is, all you need to do is
let me know in advance a little and there'll be a party. There's a saying in
Bahia, "If your futeball (soccer0 team wins, throw a party; if they lose,
throw a party."
> PS: I see we have PO'd the "ASA hatemonger" again !! Hopefully, we
> can keep up the good work......
Only one of them? Oh, well.
BDEBJ
"
>
>
> "Lying" is a very strong word to use when someone may just be misinformed.
> It would serve you much better if you tried being a bit more diplomatic.
> For instance, Brinks does charge a connection fee (at least in
> Vancouver) - something you called me a liar for. I backed up what I said
> with a couple of quotes directly from their PSA. You can Google for it.
>
> I imagine many of the local offices set their own rates for service and
> what might "fit" your area may not fit another. I know Chubb used a
> standard price list for the entire country (back when I worked for them)
> and head office instituted a discount policy for the various regional and
> local offices. Without it, we'd have been charging "Toronto" prices in
> market areas that wouldn't have accepted such pricing structures. It's all
> a numbers game, Billy, and local managers are held responsible. If you
> don't give them the tools to address local markets, you're basically tying
> their hands and setting them up to fail. That's simply not good business.
the way i see it.....if they STATE it as fact, they are lying....
now if they don't know, or assume something then they
should say "as far as i know" or "from what i hear"....
the way the statement was made, makes it sounds
like this guy knows what he's talking about, when he does not.
as far as the connection fee part goes, i said you were "lying"
because you also stated that as fact when maybe you should
have said "here in vancouver....." see my point?
maybe i went about it the wrong way, but hey, i'm just a working stiff.
as far as the rates go, no, the local offices do not set ANY rates....
the rates are set by brinks...trust me if the local offices had their way
brinks would make alot more money due to the fact that corporate gives
away WAY too much as it is!!
BDEBJ
trust me, i'm not going anywhere!!
"Crash Gordon" <webm...@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in message
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Jim
Let's see now .......... who could that be?
Would that be the person who's consistantly insults installation
companys? (which I presume you think you are included ) Who has lied
about his time in the industry? Who has invaded peoples privacy by
going real life with them? Who has stolen information from people and
then lied by calling it his? Would that be the person who falsified
information about participants in the Newsgroup on one of his
competitors websites? The person who claims to be upstanding and
forthright but lies about something as simple as what he can program
on a keypad, that's impossible to do? The someone who has methodically
instigated unrest and turmoil in this Newsgroup intentionally for
years, just to satisfy is own ego? Would that be who you're refering
to?
Or would that be anyone, (unlike you) who has a moral compass and who
takes offense at such nasty and hateful conduct and will do whatever
it is that will contradict and make an example of such malicious
conduct.
The fact that you would ever even consider associating yourself with
the likes of such a proven depraved degenerate, speaks loads about
you. So .... yeah, then anyone with that mental capacity ...... I
guess you would look at it differently
And anyway, since we've been given your endless thoughts on how (not)
to run a business, it's understandable that you are somewhat deficient
to begin with.
Hey, do you really think you'll ever get to see that house of his
again .... other than at the funeral that is. I can just see it now.
The funeral home. The casket. A lilly in a cheap glass vase and one
chair, with you sitting in it. Sad ...... Really, really .....
sad .......
I'm sure they wont cremate him. The family wouldn't want to pay for
two urns. I know they'll rather opt for an open casket burial. On the
other hand I would make the suggestion to his wife to let him hang
around for a few weeks after he dies, until he gets real stiff. This
way they wont even need a casket or a tombstone. If they make sure his
feet are pointing down before he gets stiff, and one arm is pointing
up, they can stand him on tippy toes, pound him into the ground with a
mallet and put his credit card in his hand, sticking out of the
ground.
Frank Olson
> the way i see it.....if they STATE it as fact, they are lying....
I don't agree. This is an international medium. What they are stating
may well be "fact" in their area. You have to lighten up a bit.
> now if they don't know, or assume something then they
> should say "as far as i know" or "from what i hear"....
How about "from what I know".
> the way the statement was made, makes it sounds
> like this guy knows what he's talking about, when he does not.
The way your statement was made makes you sound a lot like Bass. Please
don't go there.
>
> as far as the connection fee part goes, i said you were "lying"
> because you also stated that as fact when maybe you should
> have said "here in vancouver....." see my point?
Nope. The PSA is very clear. There *is* a connection charge. Some
offices may simply "write it off".
> maybe i went about it the wrong way, but hey, i'm just a working stiff.
As are we all. And as such we gotta stick together.
> as far as the rates go, no, the local offices do not set ANY rates....
> the rates are set by brinks...trust me if the local offices had their way
> brinks would make alot more money due to the fact that corporate gives
> away WAY too much as it is!!
That may be so. It's all ADT's fault. They started it with their
$99.00 installs back in the eighties.
"If at first you don't succeed, blame the other guy."
Mind you, I found an even better one the other day in the most unlikely
of places:
"If at first you don't succeed, do it your wife's way." :-)
Frank Olson
> RHC: If so, that's their problem.!!
Seems to me that you've been contributing about as much to the turmoil
here lately as any of the "regulars". Why not try to be part of the
solution? Believe me you're not going to offend anyone (including our
"friend" in Sarasota) if you simply point out his more "over the top"
posts (or do you do that via private email and leave the "kissy kissy"
stuff for public consumption?). Sheesh, Bob... It was gettin' "pretty
thick" there. I was waiting for you to pull out the whipped cream and
strawberries.
When Bass starts flooding the group with links (as he's recently
promised to do) what are *you* going to do? Stand back and watch for
fear of offending him? When someone throws eggs at your house are you
one of those guys that waits for it all to be over and then goes out and
power washes the mess? Seems to me that it's time to stop sitting on
that fence. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating you add to the
"noise" in the group (or join the "IB" as Bass puts it). Heck, all
someone has to do is mention "ADT" and what you post in response is
nothing short of "epic" in length. :-)
Doug
"BDEBJ" <spamsux.com> wrote in message
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> as far as the connection fee part goes, i said you were "lying"
> because you also stated that as fact when maybe you should
> have said "here in vancouver....." see my point?
>
You don't have a point, one could equally claim that your are lying because
you didn't state "here in BFE ........."
Doug
tourman
RHC: Frank, I was not going to respond to this latest round of posts
because it seemed to me it was simply promoting a continuation of more
of the same. However, in fairness, you and I have always pretty much
conducted ourselves in a cordial and professional manner in any
interface we've had, so it would be unreasonable to just let your
comments hang.
I don't know how I've been "contributing to the turmoil" here as you
say by simply chatting with RLB over common interests. It may be off
topic but that's nothing new here and at least it's not done in the
hateful tone that surrounds so much of the discussions on this
newsgroup. I'm not sure what being "part of the solution" means unless
it means joining in to contribute to all the RLB bashing going on,
which you know I won't ever do, since whether I would be right or
wrong in my assessment, it would simply add to the continual downward
spiral of this newsgroup into the gutter (where it sits a lot of the
time anyway).
I have taken RLB to task a few times when I don't agree with him on
technical matters, as he has done often when I say something that is
incorrect. And that's as far as it goes.
In the ten or so years I've been a regular on this newsgroup, I've
always tried to help people who come here get answers to their
security related questions. Sometimes my answers are correct;
sometimes they are wrong. But they are never given in a tone that
implies the person asking the question is some sort of idiot for not
knowing what we know as professionals in the business. Over the last
few years, it seems anyone asking a question ends up being scorned in
some manner, especially if he is a DIY'er who doesn't want his system
monitored.( Don't get me wrong - I don't bother with local systems in
any way, shape or form. I firmly believe that having anything to do
with a local system is a waste of my time and the client's money! The
equipment is only part of an alarm "system" which is the end to end
functionality, and that includes proper physical security
precautions !! ) That said, it is his choice, and not my place (or any
of our places) to scorn him for his shortsighted decision.
I am no fan of ADT as you know, but I don't think I've ever said
anything they didn't deserve, at least as it concerns the local types
in our area. Compared to others such as AlarmForce though, they are
virtual saints. Brinks I only know about through posts on this
newsgroup - they are simply not active in our area of Canada (and
thank goodness for that I suspect......)
But the newsgroup has become next to useless for any real technical
purposes I see it having, to the point where I hardly ever read it
anymore. I see little further purpose (for me anyway) in sticking
around. And I certainly have no intention of joining in any of the
sh*t being thrown around regardless of what anyone thinks of
that !! . If you don't like the content of what I say, then criticize
it in a professional manner, and I'll take note and we can discuss our
differences as professionals in the business with different
viewpoints. Come back with hateful or vile comments (as some do - not
you), and it gets filtered. I don't deal in the real world with people
who conduct themselves that way, so I won't on a virtual newsgroup
either....
As I've said, I'm in the process of moving on into other activities
and ventures in life, and I intend to leave the newsgroup as I entered
it. Beyond the little bit of help and advice I can give, and some
occasional light hearted banter between members, I don't intend to
involve myself. That's it in a nutshell and always has been....
Nomen Nescio
>occasional light hearted banter between members,
Your series of "light-hearted bantering" posts between you and Bass are of
absolutely no interest to anyone...except you and Bass. They are a waste
of bandwidth, and do nothing but generate extraneous headers. Since the
purpose of a newsgroup is to disseminate useful information to a wider
audience, may I suggest that you and Bass take your discussions of parties,
motorcycles, and hamburgers to email or IRC, where you can chat to your
heart's content in blissful solitude.
Petem
AMEN!!
alarman
AMEN
tourman
RHC: Well isn't that interesting. We ALL are guilty of off topic
discussions on all manner of things, but you all object when it
involves civil discussions with RLB, off topic or not ! I think you
guys should be a little more intellectually honest with yourself and
admit the REAL reason it bugs you is that I may be the only one who
can have a normal conversation with RLB without it deteriorating into
a bashing session. It seems on this newsgroup, you must take sides, "
for or agin" RLB !!
Somewhat hypocritical on your part !!
Frank Olson
> RHC: Frank, I was not going to respond to this latest round of posts
> because it seemed to me it was simply promoting a continuation of more
> of the same.
But "you started it". :-)
> However, in fairness, you and I have always pretty much
> conducted ourselves in a cordial and professional manner in any
> interface we've had, so it would be unreasonable to just let your
> comments hang.
I don't see anything wrong with the way you conduct yourself generally,
either. Banter is one thing, but exchanging personal messages (that
should remain in the realm of email or IRC) is quite another. As
"Nomen" so succinctly stated... It's a waste of bandwidth (much like
Bob's "html" floods of the past).
>
> I don't know how I've been "contributing to the turmoil" here as you
> say by simply chatting with RLB over common interests.
It's not alarm related and doesn't invite commentary by others. It's
strictly a personal discussion and should be kept as such. Not one of
us is interested in your personal relationship with Bob (or your
vacation plans).
> It may be off
> topic but that's nothing new here and at least it's not done in the
> hateful tone that surrounds so much of the discussions on this
> newsgroup.
When you consider the source of the more "hurtful" discussions on this
newsgroup, openly posting such a personal exchange is nothing short of
provocative. You should know better.
> I'm not sure what being "part of the solution" means unless
> it means joining in to contribute to all the RLB bashing going on,
I'm not advocating you "bash" Bob (or anyone else). This is "our"
group. I enjoy the banter here and am quite willing to share my
expertise with anyone who asks (politely). I won't stand idly by and
watch someone post lies, innuendo, and hurtful things however (you refer
to them as "over the top"). I believe this group can become everything
Steve R. envisioned. It seems to me you've already given up on that.
That's well and good. You're "moving on" to other things that interest
you. At the moment (and for the foreseeable future), this group
interests me. It gives me the opportunity to share with others and let
off some steam.
> which you know I won't ever do, since whether I would be right or
> wrong in my assessment, it would simply add to the continual downward
> spiral of this newsgroup into the gutter (where it sits a lot of the
> time anyway).
Yet you won't post any responses to "RLB" regardless of how horrifically
wrong (or "over the top") they are. Perhaps it's a good thing that
you've limited your participation here.
>
> I have taken RLB to task a few times when I don't agree with him on
> technical matters, as he has done often when I say something that is
> incorrect. And that's as far as it goes.
>
> In the ten or so years I've been a regular on this newsgroup, I've
> always tried to help people who come here get answers to their
> security related questions. Sometimes my answers are correct;
> sometimes they are wrong.
We all have "bad" days.
> But they are never given in a tone that
> implies the person asking the question is some sort of idiot for not
> knowing what we know as professionals in the business. Over the last
> few years, it seems anyone asking a question ends up being scorned in
> some manner, especially if he is a DIY'er who doesn't want his system
> monitored.( Don't get me wrong - I don't bother with local systems in
> any way, shape or form. I firmly believe that having anything to do
> with a local system is a waste of my time and the client's money! The
> equipment is only part of an alarm "system" which is the end to end
> functionality, and that includes proper physical security
> precautions !! ) That said, it is his choice, and not my place (or any
> of our places) to scorn him for his shortsighted decision.
We service quite a few local systems. All of them have been upgraded to
include a fire detection component. To deny service to a customer
because he doesn't have monitoring is just plain wrong. As long as
they're willing to pay the service charge, why not "bother" with them?
>
> I am no fan of ADT as you know, but I don't think I've ever said
> anything they didn't deserve, at least as it concerns the local types
> in our area.
Which is the point I made with Billy. Our local ADT office is actually
pretty decent when it comes to the service they provide. They *are*
expensive compared with the smaller dealers, but they've always paid
their bills on time... :-)
> Compared to others such as AlarmForce though, they are
> virtual saints.
AlarmFarce fills a "niche". They've positioned themselves as the
"cheap" alternative for people that just want a sign on the door. No
one that really knows security (and that includes much of the criminal
element) gives their installations the ratings Joel Matlin does.
> Brinks I only know about through posts on this
> newsgroup - they are simply not active in our area of Canada (and
> thank goodness for that I suspect......)
>
> But the newsgroup has become next to useless for any real technical
> purposes I see it having, to the point where I hardly ever read it
> anymore.
Which is exactly my point. If you contribute to the "noise" you're not
making it any better.
> I see little further purpose (for me anyway) in sticking
> around. And I certainly have no intention of joining in any of the
> sh*t being thrown around regardless of what anyone thinks of
> that !! .
I didn't even suggest that you should. I don't like it any more than
you do. I won't stand idly by and let a bullshit artist take over, though.
> If you don't like the content of what I say, then criticize
> it in a professional manner, and I'll take note and we can discuss our
> differences as professionals in the business with different
> viewpoints.
Which was the entire point of my comments.
> Come back with hateful or vile comments (as some do - not
> you), and it gets filtered. I don't deal in the real world with people
> who conduct themselves that way, so I won't on a virtual newsgroup
> either....
I see... So rather than comment on Bob's "over the top" posts, you
choose not to get involved and "ignore" them. From past experience I
would say that this is the "safe" way to participate in this group.
After all, you wouldn't want Bob calling *your* suppliers, etc. asking
about you. You once posted that Bob's a different person when you
actually meet him. I can't imagine enjoying someone's company that's
shown such a twisted mentality in a public forum. An individual that's
reviled in several newsgroups, and that often resorts to puerile and
vulgar commentary to "flame" someone.
>
> As I've said, I'm in the process of moving on into other activities
> and ventures in life, and I intend to leave the newsgroup as I entered
> it. Beyond the little bit of help and advice I can give, and some
> occasional light hearted banter between members, I don't intend to
> involve myself. That's it in a nutshell and always has been....
While I can't fault you for your outlook, I'm equally amazed at how you
pick the people you hang out with. I, for one would never associate
with such an individual. This group will remain polarized for as long
as Bob chooses to participate in the way he does. He's been told often
enough that his behaviour is unacceptable. His "tactics" have evolved
over time but his favourite one involves "baiting" certain individuals
to provoke a reaction. If you honestly believe my pointing out the
mistakes in his websites is purely out of "animosity", you're wrong.
The last thing I would do is try to "help" the man. He does pose a
genuine danger to the uninformed DIYer that happens upon his site.
What's really "sad" is that his attitude towards me won't allow him to
correct those mistakes. As he's so often demonstrated in the past,
being told "he's wrong" really bites. I don't respect the man for the
lies he frequently tells, his "bad" math, and the way he denigrates
certain individuals he "targets" in the group or our profession. I
won't stand by and watch him huck eggs at my house either.
tourman
<use_the_email_li...@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote:
>
> I don't see anything wrong with the way you conduct yourself generally,
> either. Banter is one thing, but exchanging personal messages (that
> should remain in the realm of email or IRC) is quite another. As
> "Nomen" so succinctly stated... It's a waste of bandwidth (much like
> Bob's "html" floods of the past).
RHC: Ok, I'll concede your point. It is a waste of bandwidth since it
doesn't concern security matters. I'll hold off on those posts, but
I'll also mention it when others don't do so either...fair enough ?
> When you consider the source of the more "hurtful" discussions on this
> newsgroup, openly posting such a personal exchange is nothing short of
> provocative. You should know better.
RHC: Provocative !...?. It seems every time RLB says anything at all,
he gets jumped on. I'm not defending him or attacking him; just
pointing out that it goes two ways. One or both of you should be man
enough to bury the hatchet for the sake of peace on the newsgroup. I
don't really know what has gone in real life between you guys, but for
crying out loud, get over it.
>
>
> Yet you won't post any responses to "RLB" regardless of how horrifically
> wrong (or "over the top") they are. Perhaps it's a good thing that
> you've limited your participation here.
RHC: His political opinions are his to give (even off topic). We all
get carried away at times.
>
>
> > But they are never given in a tone that
> > implies the person asking the question is some sort of idiot for not
> > knowing what we know as professionals in the business. Over the last
> > few years, it seems anyone asking a question ends up being scorned in
> > some manner, especially if he is a DIY'er who doesn't want his system
> > monitored.( Don't get me wrong - I don't bother with local systems in
> > any way, shape or form. I firmly believe that having anything to do
> > with a local system is a waste of my time and the client's money! The
> > equipment is only part of an alarm "system" which is the end to end
> > functionality, and that includes proper physical security
> > precautions !! ) That said, it is his choice, and not my place (or any
> > of our places) to scorn him for his shortsighted decision.
>
> We service quite a few local systems. All of them have been upgraded to
> include a fire detection component. To deny service to a customer
> because he doesn't have monitoring is just plain wrong. As long as
> they're willing to pay the service charge, why not "bother" with them?
RHC: As I said, they are a waste of my time and his money ! I'm not in
the business to encourage people to "micky mouse" their "system" and
make a few extra bucks for a service call. They are completely free to
do what they want; it's their security after all. However, I am just
as free to choose not to waste my time on their systems, instead
keeping myself free to service professional systems that I am
responsible for. It's freedom of choice for both the consumer and me
as a business man responsible for my time and actions. It's hardly
wrong in any sense ! The customer can call anyone else they want to
and that company is just as free to say yay or nay !! No one is
obligated to provide service to anyone in those cases where they are
not under a contract of any type....
My comment still applies as regards to how some new people coming to
this newsgroup are treated.
>
>
> AlarmFarce fills a "niche". They've positioned themselves as the
> "cheap" alternative for people that just want a sign on the door. No
> one that really knows security (and that includes much of the criminal
> element) gives their installations the ratings Joel Matlin does.
RHC: And in the process, they give our industry a bad name. There is
nothing anyone can do in a free market to prevent this, but it's
equally wrong to just accept this level of opportunistic, simplistic
security marketing without objecting as professionals to what they do.
We both know their whole "system" is sh*t !!
>
> > Brinks I only know about through posts on this
> > newsgroup - they are simply not active in our area of Canada (and
> > thank goodness for that I suspect......)
>
> > But the newsgroup has become next to useless for any real technical
> > purposes I see it having, to the point where I hardly ever read it
> > anymore.
>
> Which is exactly my point. If you contribute to the "noise" you're not
RHC: Noise in my definition is the hateful sniping and comments that
some (including RLB at times when he responds to you and others)
continue to smear over most every post in the newsgroup. It's hard to
find even one thread that doesn't deteriorate to mudslinging of some
kind. THAT is my point, regardless of who is at fault. There are times
when I plow through this stuff, and my only inclination is to yell out
for all of you guys engaging in this stuff to grow the hell up !!!!!
Frank, unless you have further thoughts, lets drop this thread. I know
what I see and you are free to disagree with me on those matters. At
this point, I think we are both wasting bandwidth. I've said it all
before many times.
Feel free to comment if you want the last word...:))....regards
alarman
Fuck off, Nancy.
tourman
RHC: Another intelligent response from someone with nothing to
add......feel better now.....
Jim
Now tell us ............ what could be a more appropriate reply to
your sublime naivety?
Oh ..... wait ..... that's right.
You .... being so sublimely naive, wouldn't be able to make that
difficult evaluation.
Ya see ..... it works this way. Because Bass is so .....
ummmm well ....
and your so ...... ummmm
Never mind. You just wouldn't understand.
S'ok. Don't try to figure it out. You can go back to picking flowers
now.
Tooodles and Oh ......... don't forget to bring your coloring book so
you don't get bored, honey!