Re: Alarm/security related domains for sale

[mleuck]

On Friday, May 4, 2012 10:03:25 PM UTC-5, G. Morgan wrote:
> I'm going to auction these off, but I would like to give the
> participants here first shot if interested.
>
> My email address is real, if you want any of these domains please
> send a reasonable offer and we can do it without 3rd parties
> involved.
>
> I would prefer the buyer take them all, for simplicity. But I'm
> flexible, and hell, it may turn out that no one wants them!
>
> Here:
>
> alarmlease.com
> honeywell-alarms.com
> houston-security-camera.com
> houston-security-cameras.com
> security-cameras-direct.com
>
> I don't want to haggle, best price first. Mini- (silent) auction
> begins now and ends at 10PM Central 5/11/12
>
> If you have been outbid, I will let you know and let you submit
> ONE more bid.

I'll give you 39 cents

[Bob La Londe]

"G. Morgan" <seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in message
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> I have a bidder. The current bid is .39¢
>
> I think we can do better than that girls.
>
> Honeywell-alarms.com is worth at least $500 as a landing
> page/re-direct to your online store.


Good luck. I tried to sell DIYComponents a while back. It was a
functioning webstore with real clients and established traffic. If I recall
you offered me less than the value of the registration. LOL.

[Frank Kurz]

On 06/05/2012 11:27 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
> G. Morgan Wrote:
>
>> I'm going to auction these off, but I would like to give the
>> participants here first shot if interested.
>>
>> My email address is real, if you want any of these domains please
>> send a reasonable offer and we can do it without 3rd parties
>> involved.
>>
>> I would prefer the buyer take them all, for simplicity. But I'm
>> flexible, and hell, it may turn out that no one wants them!
>>
>> Here:
>>
>> alarmlease.com
>> honeywell-alarms.com
>> houston-security-camera.com
>> houston-security-cameras.com
>> security-cameras-direct.com
>>
>> I don't want to haggle, best price first. Mini- (silent) auction
>> begins now and ends at 10PM Central 5/11/12
>>
>> If you have been outbid, I will let you know and let you submit
>> ONE more bid.
>
> I have a bidder. The current bid is .39¢
>
> I think we can do better than that girls.
>
> Honeywell-alarms.com is worth at least $500 as a landing
> page/re-direct to your online store.
>
>
>

Seeing as how "Honeywell" is a registered trademark, I should think that
using this domain might just infringe on that. They've got even deeper
pockets than Brinks and we all know the kind of trouble Jim R. wound up
in. I wouldn't wish that on anyone!

--
Fire Protection Technicians Network
www.firetechs.net

[mleuck]

On Sunday, May 13, 2012 1:30:05 AM UTC-5, G. Morgan wrote:

> That may be true, but I've owned it for a while and no complaints
> yet. I just can't keep up with a store, the back-end is more work
> than I thought it would be. My card processor holds back 30% for
> 90 days, making a lot of money out floating. It's unsustainable
> for someone without a huge credit line.

No complaints because it's likely they don't know about it, try putting something on it and you'll see some movement on Honeywell's part

That's almost as bad as the shit Rodney was trying to do

[Frank Kurz]

On 12/05/2012 11:30 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
> Frank Kurz Wrote:
>

> That may be true, but I've owned it for a while and no complaints
> yet. I just can't keep up with a store, the back-end is more work
> than I thought it would be. My card processor holds back 30% for
> 90 days, making a lot of money out floating. It's unsustainable
> for someone without a huge credit line.
>

You haven't heard anything from Honeywell because so far you've just
"parked" the domain. I would imagine their legal beagles are sniffin'
around though.

[Bob La Londe]

"G. Morgan" <seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in message

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> That may be true, but I've owned it for a while and no complaints
> yet. I just can't keep up with a store, the back-end is more work
> than I thought it would be. My card processor holds back 30% for
> 90 days, making a lot of money out floating. It's unsustainable
> for someone without a huge credit line.

How big of a credit line do you need? You could always go with the slightly
higher fee PayPal interface instead of a CC gateway.

[Bob La Londe]

"G. Morgan" <seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in message

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> Bob La Londe Wrote:
>
>>How big of a credit line do you need? You could always go with the
>>slightly
>>higher fee PayPal interface instead of a CC gateway.
>

> They hold back 30% too, I have a merchant account there. I should
> have stayed "regular".
>
> My markup is 30%, I can't function without the cash-freed up.

I have never noticed a holdback, and I have a commercial PayPal account for
my business and a personal one for my fishing club. It sometimes takes a
week for money to appear in my PayPal account when a bank account only user
makes a purchases, but that's it. Otherwise I can transfer the balances to
my bank account as soon as they complete a purchase. Takes about 3 days to
clear to my account.

I'm not saying they don't hold back your money, but I have never experienced
it. I do have both CC and bank accounts attached to me commercial account.
That may make a difference.

I run a small fishing tackle webstore using my commercial PayPal account.
Purchase volume isn't super high, so maybe that's the difference. I also
use that same account for buying and selling on Ebay.

How long are they holding back that 30%? Seems to me if you can hold out
for about 3.5 times that time period once then you can get ahead of the
curve, as long as you aren't taking out 100% of your profits every month.

Also... some of your distributors may be able to help with terms. Two of
mine in the alarm business extended my standard payment terms just from me
asking them. Didn't even ask for a new credit application.

[Bob La Londe]

"G. Morgan" <seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in message

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> Bob La Londe Wrote:
>
>>How long are they holding back that 30%?
>

> 90 days. That was after I "upgraded" to a merchant account and
> the API's for use in shopping carts.
>
> Before that I would have the money instantly. I am also charged
> $30 for the 'service'.

>
>> Seems to me if you can hold out
>>for about 3.5 times that time period once then you can get ahead of the
>>curve, as long as you aren't taking out 100% of your profits every month.
>

> Yep, I had the same thought. If I can build a rolling reserve of
> cash large enough. The good news is I get the interest on the
> funds.

>
>>Also... some of your distributors may be able to help with terms. Two of
>>mine in the alarm business extended my standard payment terms just from me
>>asking them. Didn't even ask for a new credit application.
>

> ADI is the only one I was thinking of dealing with on the
> Honeywell-alarms.com site. I was just going to sell wireless kits
> and provide support for them.
>
> I've had a run of bad luck with my shoulder first, now my back.
> Its hard for me to do much physical labor anymore. As such, my
> credit has taken a huge hit in the last 3 years being uninsured. I
> make a little bit fixing computers, and I dumped the alarm company
> because I didn't set it up right to begin with. If I get another
> gig as an IT contractor with HP here in Houston, I'm headed that
> way.
>
> If not, I may just build the store (using different software this
> time) and see what happens. I can go to ADI 2-3x a week to get
> the product and ship it. The drop-shipping may be nice for
> larger, heavy, items. I'd rather pack & ship my own, so I can
> pre-program the panels and the wireless devices and include my own
> notes for them.
>
> I don't know if Honeywell will dislike the name or not, after all
> I am selling their stuff. I'll make sure to notify people they are
> not dealing with Honeywell, but a re-seller.

Weird. I don't pay PayPal a monthly fee either. Just the usual exorbitant
percentage of all funds received. I get API verification pack to my website
too. Are you using a merchant credit card service through PayPal like a
virtual terminal maybe?

90 days is a long time to hold 30%, and I am sure they are paying you crap
for interest. I'll ask my dad if he experienced that when he had the
hardware store. We never took credit cards a the grocery store, but Cotter
& Co negotiated some pretty good deals for their True Value and V&S Variety
franchisees.

[Bob La Londe]

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/running_small_business/archives/2009/08/paypals_reserve.html

Call them and complain. Tell them that the 30/90 is going to put you out of
business.

I may not have seen the hold backs yet since I have been a PayPal customer
for a very long time, and I don't do a ton of volume.

[mleuck]

> They are welcome to buy it too!

Gee didn't Rodney used to say things like that?

[mleuck]

On Monday, May 14, 2012 4:35:03 PM UTC-5, G. Morgan wrote:
>
> I've had a run of bad luck with my shoulder first, now my back.
> Its hard for me to do much physical labor anymore. As such, my
> credit has taken a huge hit in the last 3 years being uninsured. I
> make a little bit fixing computers, and I dumped the alarm company
> because I didn't set it up right to begin with. If I get another
> gig as an IT contractor with HP here in Houston, I'm headed that
> way.

Okay I feel for you Rod...er G.. I'm officially upping my price from 39 cents to 40

> I don't know if Honeywell will dislike the name or not, after all
> I am selling their stuff. I'll make sure to notify people they are
> not dealing with Honeywell, but a re-seller.

Of COURSE Honeywell will dislike you using their name, DUH!

Here's a thought, think of a decent name that doesn't infringe on Honeywell then you won't have to tell anyone they are not dealing with Honeywell

[Frank Kurz]

On 14/05/2012 7:22 AM, G. Morgan wrote:
> Frank Kurz Wrote:
>

>> Seeing as how "Honeywell" is a registered trademark, I should think that
>> using this domain might just infringe on that. They've got even deeper
>> pockets than Brinks and we all know the kind of trouble Jim R. wound up
>> in. I wouldn't wish that on anyone!
>

> BTW Frank,
>
> Jim disrespected the court, that is why he lost. He felt he
> couldn't be bothered with the requests to show up. When he first
> got the cease& desist letter from Brinks he showed it to me
> (before it was posted!) lol...
>
> Anyway, IIRC there were 10 demands and I advised him to willingly
> abide by a few of their requests. I enumerated the ones I thought
> were real 'sticky' ones, and ones I thought were reasonable (like
> not selling panels). It was an all-or-nothing deal for him, he
> didn't want to even try to be reasonable. His response to Brinks
> was to 'shove it', or something like that.
>
> I think had he handled the case better, he may have won. You
> don't tell a district judge that she has no jurisdiction either!
>

Yes, as I recall Jim was rather "unprofessional" in his dealings with
the court. You definitely don't tell a Federal Court Judge that she has
"no jurisdiction" or thumb your nose at her when your IN court. I think
he had a good case but some of the things he wrote telegraphed his total
disdain for the process (words best "thought" than "said"). Granted,
Brinks really didn't have a leg to stand to begin with. They DON'T (and
never have) manufactured their own panels. Every user and installer
manual I saw had the Honeywell logo on it!

[mleuck]

On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:15:05 AM UTC-5, Frank Kurz wrote:

> Yes, as I recall Jim was rather "unprofessional" in his dealings with
> the court. You definitely don't tell a Federal Court Judge that she has
> "no jurisdiction" or thumb your nose at her when your IN court. I think
> he had a good case but some of the things he wrote telegraphed his total

> Granted, Brinks really didn't have a leg to stand to begin with.
> They DON'T (and
> never have) manufactured their own panels. Every user and installer
> manual I saw had the Honeywell logo on it!

They may not have manufactured the equipment but they likely have the rights to it.

[Frank Kurz]

They have the rights to the Brinks Logo, but to sue Jim because he's
selling "their" re-badged programmer should not have turned out the way
it did. Jim's defense submittals mentioned this, but his point was lost
when he told the judge to "shove it".

Frank

[mleuck]

But none of us know what the agreement was between Brinks and Arrowhead (I assume it was them since they originally made the programmer.

Would I have a legal right to sell and install something branded with your companies name on it? Even without any agreement I doubt it.

[mleuck]

Hey G why'd you delete all the Honeywell posts? :)

[mleuck]

Yea judges tend to frown on that stuff I'm told

[Frank Kurz]

I do it all the time. All the stuff I sell is "branded" and no one has
an issue (DSC, Ademco, Simplex, Edwards, etc.). I think part of Brink's
argument was that they actually "owned" the equipment and "rented" it to
end-users. There is a valid argument that if an end-user cancels his
monitoring agreement, and Brinks doesn't come out to remove the
equipment, it could be considered "abandoned".

[mleuck]

Since I assume none of us are lawyers we can't be sure what the law is regarding an old panel however Brinks is the only one I've ever seen with printing on the box stating they own the equipment. Like that made any difference since I've ripped them out many times.

About the only fact is Brinks won and Rojas lost

[Russell Brill]

"mleuck" <m.l...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
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Brinks who??????? I know who Rojas is....... :-)

[onlineal...@gmail.com]

What sunk Jim is that he advertised Brinks programmers on his website. Had he called them anything other than Brinks there isn't a damn thing they could have, or would have done.

Broadview came after me when I registered domains using Broadview.
My lawyers told them to stick it up their ass. There isn't a thing they could do.
I owned monitronics.mobi as well. Your people tried to make me release it. Again there wasn't thing one they could do.
Now had I used either domain in a for profit manner geared towards the security industry they'd have had a chance.
I never renewed those domains because they served no purpose other than to annoy some folks, but at the end of the day you can register any domain name you want so long as you don't use it for financial gain in the same industry as a company with that exact name.
Years back a guy that owned Dunkin Donuts Sucks or something like that ended up selling the domain to D&D for quite a tidy sum. He used it as a blog to express his disdain for D&D.
Nick Lawrence knows more about domains than most folks and could further expand on the legalities but in a nutshell Graham's Honeywell domain is worthless as tits on a snake for anyone in the alarm industry.