Does anyone know the master code of ADT Safewatch Plus?
John
I would like to activate the system but I don't have the master code
which is needed according to the manual.
Could you please tell me how to set up the master code?
Thanks.
John
Robert L Bass
I'm not sure but if it's an Ademco product try these...
4110, 4120, 4140, 5140, 4111 and 4112.
If it's an ITI product, try 4321.
These are some of the more common defaults for those brands. However, if
it's been changed by the installer it could be anything.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota, FL 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 Fax
rober...@comcast.net
=============================>
"John" <poboxa...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:wgDH8.12931$7S6.4...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...
Jacob Ashbury
have e-mailed him the . . . naw, then you couldn't make a public ass out of
yourself again.
"Robert L Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:b1EH8.12202$Gs.11...@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
Securitech
<rober...@comcast.net> wrote:
>John,
>
>I'm not sure but if it's an Ademco product try these...
>
>4110, 4120, 4140, 5140, 4111 and 4112.
>
>If it's an ITI product, try 4321.
>
>These are some of the more common defaults for those brands. However, if
>it's been changed by the installer it could be anything.
>
>Regards,
>Robert L Bass
>
Duh.... Default master for ADT Ademco is 6321 for ITI it is 63211
both codes are from the factory. Funny how the code from the old moose
a910/z900 seemed to stick arround :-)
Robert L Bass
through Jim Rojas. If you have a panel that you can't unlock, Jim will do
it for a nominal fee.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota, FL 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 Fax
rober...@comcast.net
=============================>
"Securitech" <ne...@securitech.ca> wrote in message
news:eq6ueu4m49okgjfk1...@4ax.com...
m..leuck
"Robert L Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:b1EH8.12202$Gs.11...@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
Jacob Ashbury
"m..leuck" <m.l....@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:xhFH8.25864$cQ3.1376@sccrnsc01...
> Those aren't even master codes
>
You'll just confuse Bass
Group Moderator
John,
I'm not sure but if it's an Ademco product try these...
4110, 4120, 4140, 5140, 4111 and 4112.
If it's an ITI product, try 4321.
These are some of the more common defaults for those brands. However, if
it's been changed by the installer it could be anything.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
Mike Said:
As quick as he gives master codes out here just let him download a panel for
you, he will give them codes as well as sell your name and address to various
groups that buys mailing lists.
Mike, Sr.
Alarm Services Inc.(NJ)
Group Moderator
http://www.AlarmServicesInc.Com
APPROVED VENDOR - Attention DIY's & Newbies
http://www.goofysplace.com/GOOFY/altsecurityalarms_.htm
Visit The Goofy Bass Website
http://www.goofysplace.com/
Group Moderator
Thanks. I got the others from Tech-Help for Windows, which is available
through Jim Rojas.
Mike Said:
Was it a PAID copy, or a BEGGED copy. Cheapass...
Robert L Bass
"dealer code" interchangeably and I shouldn't do that since on many panels
these are not the same.
Thanks,
Robert
"m..leuck" <m.l....@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:xhFH8.25864$cQ3.1376@sccrnsc01...
WTF
Always thought Mike was a bit too much. Not anymore. Not only does Bass
post the standard factory default service codes, some other idiot posts
the ADT default which, from what I`ve seen, is almost never changed.
If you want to give it to the guy (which you shouldn`t anyway) private
email it to him. DONT POST IT HERE. Well, too late now, can`t unring a
bell.
Next time someone wants to call Mike the Matawan Moron, they should look
in the mirror first.
m..leuck
"WTF" <lur...@home.com> wrote in message news:3CEF65E5...@home.com...
Jacob Ashbury
> No Mike is still and always will be a moron :)
>
'as a moron, Mike has more sense than Bass operating at full bore.'
(well, Bass is a full fledged bore afterall)
Absolutely right.
One of the major complaints by many alarm folks against people that are
bAssholes.
Robert L Bass
be found in online manuals available for free download from hundreds of web
sites. As to the MM, well if you think that makes him any less of an M...
heh, heh, heh.
"WTF" <lur...@home.com> wrote in message news:3CEF65E5...@home.com...
Jacob Ashbury
"Robert L Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:59NH8.15106$Gs.15...@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
> I hate to burst your bobble but those codes are common knowledge. They
can
> be found in online manuals available for free download from hundreds of
web
> sites.
So is your divorce and felony time. So is the fact you do NOT have an alarm
license. So is the fact that Florida law prohibits you from doing some of
the crap you do-
This is NOT
alt.all_the_information_you_want_to_compromise_a_security_system.NG
Those trusting souls that allow you to access their alarm systems should get
their head down from the clouds and re-think just what kind of puke has
access to their system-
Go to alt.locksmithing and ask those guys for an access code- what a moron
Bass, what a moron.
You've been doing this for years and you still don't get it.
Do a Copernic or Google search of access codes- know what pops up the most?
Bass!
You are dumber than dumb.
Jake-
Nunya Bizness
thousand too many.
Sure glad he doesn't have Monitronic's dealer code.
Subject: Re: Does anyone know the master code of ADT Safewatch Plus?
From: "m..leuck" m.l....@attbi.com
Date: 5/25/02 1:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <xhFH8.25864$cQ3.1376@sccrnsc01>
Group Moderator
From: WTF lur...@home.com
Date: 5/25/2002 6:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <3CEF65E5...@home.com>
Mike Said
Thanks WTF. Thats why I am Goofy's moderator. He does not think before he
posts. Posting Master Codes is a No No in my way of thinking. Bass does it to
be cute. No less he takes the info out of a BEGGED FOR FREE COPY of Jim Rojas
Tech-Man Software. (Yeah he is too cheap to pay Jim the $20.00 bucks) It is
good to see that the members of this group are starting to understand what
Goofy is all about. Just imagine if **EVERYONE** Filtered Goofy Bass. ( What a
nice place this would be for all) I have said for years, the little bit of CUT
& PASTE advise that he posts, is *NOT worth the BULLSHIT he starts and causes
everyone here. This time it was Andy Bowman's turn..... He still has not
apologized to me for forging my name and posting a nasty gram in Andy's Guest
Book.
You Can See That Here:
http://www.goofysplace.com/GOOFY/bass_busted.htm
Group Moderator
No Mike is still and always will be a moron :)
Mike Said:
And Goofy will always have TEETH marks on his 0ne inch dick.
Mark......
BELOWME.....
Rojas made me do it.....
And you are paying $ 20.00 for the next release of Tech-Man software, Like it
or not......
Group Moderator
Might be- but think of this Leuck-
'as a moron, Mike has more sense than Bass operating at full bore.'
(well, Bass is a full fledged bore afterall)
Mike Said:
What this means is my name is More Ron & and Bass likes it UP THE ASS - FULL
BORE.. See so one compliments the other.
The problem that Jake has is sometimes his EyE tooth gets caught in front of
his tongue and he can't see what the hell he is saying.
Jacob Ashbury
"Group Moderator" <alarm...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020526004841...@mb-da.aol.com...
> Jake Wrote:
> Might be- but think of this Leuck-
> 'as a moron, Mike has more sense than Bass operating at full bore.'
> (well, Bass is a full fledged bore afterall)
>
> Mike Said:
> What this means is my name is More Ron & and Bass likes it UP THE ASS -
FULL
> BORE.. See so one compliments the other.
> The problem that Jake has is sometimes his EyE tooth gets caught in front
of
> his tongue and he can't see what the hell he is saying.
>
Jacob Ashbury
.. He still has not
> apologized to me for forging my name and posting a nasty gram in Andy's
Guest
> Book.
excuses. Complain to bAss' ISP and he'll be looking for his fourth host in
5 years. Must be some kind of record.
Jake-
Jacob Ashbury
"Nunya Bizness" <tjf...@aol.comnocrap> wrote in message
news:20020526002104...@mb-fy.aol.com...
> How many alarm systems did Bass just attempt to compromise? If it is one
it's a
> thousand too many.
"""" Sure glad he doesn't have Monitronic's dealer code. """
>
You know how thick he and Leuck are- bAss only has to access one panel to
obtain the master code to hundreds-
Jake-
Group Moderator
I'm not positive BUT- forging posts should be a TOSable offense. No
excuses. Complain to bAss' ISP and he'll be looking for his fourth host in
5 years. Must be some kind of record.
Jake-
Mike Said:
I am waiting to see if I get an apology like Badvno did-
I gave him enough time.
If not I will send a letter and e-mail to his ISP for forging Alarm...@aol.co
in Andy Bowman's Guest book. You can see that
HERE:http://www.goofysplace.com/GOOFY/bass_busted.htm
PS: He cannot say that it was not him this time - he has admitted it.......
His next ISP will also get a copy.....
Jacob Ashbury
> Jake Wrote:
> I'm not positive BUT- forging posts should be a TOSable offense. No
> excuses. Complain to bAss' ISP and he'll be looking for his fourth host
in
> 5 years. Must be some kind of record.
> Jake-
>
> Mike Said:
> I am waiting to see if I get an apology like Badvno did-
> I gave him enough time.
> If not I will send a letter and e-mail to his ISP for forging
Alarm...@aol.co
> in Andy Bowman's Guest book. You can see that
> HERE:http://www.goofysplace.com/GOOFY/bass_busted.htm
>
> PS: He cannot say that it was not him this time - he has admitted
it.......
> His next ISP will also get a copy.....
>
Serves him right. With forgeries and deletes of posts like he did in the
past another move might cool his assiness for a while.
Jacob Ashbury
(let's just remember that "I" posted it in the NG first!)
The fighting part is hilarious.
I heard they called bAss "Skids" in the joint. Short for skid-marks because
his shorts always had tell-tale signs on them.
(by the way the counter doesn't work again- it once was well over 200)
He's wearing spandex now in Florida- probably still trying to 'hold it
together.'
Also heard his Clearwater source for refurbished equipment banned him for
awhile- got tired of his crying I guess.
Jake-
"Group Moderator" <alarm...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020526014350...@mb-da.aol.com...
Nunya Bizness
info. At no time in my dealings with him have I ever suspected Mark of being
nothing but responsible. If the Sarasota Jackass does have a Monitronics dealer
code it's from someone else. You're bringing up a very good point though. Just
how many other alarm companies does Bass have dealer codes on, and how many
times has he handed out that info?
Subject: Re: Does anyone know the master code of ADT Safewatch Plus?
From: "Jacob Ashbury" ch...@mindspring.com
Date: 5/26/02 1:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <acpr0j$iid$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>
WTF
Robert L Bass wrote:
> I hate to burst your bobble but those codes are common knowledge. They can
> be found in online manuals available for free download from hundreds of web
> sites. As to the MM, well if you think that makes him any less of an M...
> heh, heh, heh.
Heh Heh my ass. Lets take this a little further. The gangbangers can buy guns
on the street, that`s common knowledge also. So does that mean you can sell
yours to them? That is if you even had one to sell. Or how about drugs? Just
because it`s already happening, doesn`t make it alright for you to join in.
Have a little bit of professionalism.
Jacob Ashbury
"Nunya Bizness" <tjf...@aol.comnocrap> wrote in message
> I'd like to believe that Mark is a decent enough person not to disclose
that
> info. At no time in my dealings with him have I ever suspected Mark of
being
> nothing but responsible. If the Sarasota Jackass does have a Monitronics
dealer
> code it's from someone else. You're bringing up a very good point though.
Just
> how many other alarm companies does Bass have dealer codes on, and how
many
> times has he handed out that info?
>
BUT - access one panel in an area and usually EVERY panel that dealer put in
has the same code somewhere in it. Very few dealers have a different code
for each install-
Some companies mandate a certain access code for an extended area and
therefore many dealers will have an identical code. Maintenance, installer,
access or whatever some times one code will access hundreds if not thousands
of systems.
J. Stevens
> I'd like to believe that Mark is a decent enough person not to disclose
that
> info. At no time in my dealings with him have I ever suspected Mark of
being
> nothing but responsible.
I'll say. I saw Mark at ISC West this year and tried to get the secret
codes. I kidnapped his Chevette, and even threatened to burn his collection
of Herman's Hermits memorabilia. But alas, it was no use.
js
Robert L Bass
selling guns on the street. There are perfectly good reasons for sharing
default codes with those who need them. Also, these codes are so widely
available that my post added but a drop to an ocean of locations where
anyone who knows how to use a search engine can find them.
Also, since virtually no existing guns in the US are "lock coded" anyone who
picks one up can blow his baby sister's brains out (happens all the time).
But a properly installed alarm will usually have the code altered. It is
the responsibility of the dealer to inform the purchaser (notice I didn't
say "lessee") of the code he will need in case the dealer ever goes out of
business or in case he decides later to change providers.
If dealers would follow these simple principles rather than worry about
using lock codes to make it difficult for clients to change providers, this
sort of thing would never be an issue. Of course, that would require that
alarm dealers be honest and fair. Perhaps I shouldn't have chuckled. :(
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota, FL 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 Fax
rober...@comcast.net
=============================>
"WTF" <lur...@home.com> wrote in message news:3CF016FC...@home.com...
Jim Rojas
business, or just flat out refuses to unlock the customer's panel, so the
customer can get monitored elsewhere.
Jim Rojas
"Robert L Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Oo9I8.22715$gk.26...@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
Robert L Bass
play on their customers. Nick Lawrence goes so far as to call it a "lockout
virus" since the intended effect is that the client can't make full and
unimpeded use of property they are selling to him. They all use the same
lame excuse -- we're keeping you from using your system because someone else
you don't know might sue us if you did. Uh-huh. Sure.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota, FL 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 Fax
rober...@comcast.net
=============================>
Robert Skinner
who owns what.
My opinions are simple, if you own the panel and are not having it
monitored, you get the installers code to do with what you want. If you are
having it monitored, the company who does the monitoring will have the final
say as to who has what. You don't like what the monitoring station terms
are, then you don't use them.
If I have a customer who wants to change from me to someone else, I am happy
to attend and do a complete system default at no charge. When I am there I
find out why they changed in hopes to better serve my customers in the
future. It also give me a last chance to change their minds. If it is
impossible to attend, I dial into the system and default the important
program areas such as my installers code, the receiver phone numbers etc.
If you leave the customer on a positive note, they may come back. You jack
them around over silly things, you know they will always remember that.
Can we put this one to bed?
Just as an aside, I just had a shipment stopped at the border by US Customs
on Friday. They told me that the equipment I was shipping was intended for
sale in Canada only and that by shipping items across the border I violating
US law and I am liable for a $25,000.00 fine and 15 years imprisonment in a
US facility. They said that they would allow me to attend and reclaim my
product if I signed a letter acknowledging this. They also told me that US
persons who do the same are liable to the same punishments. Have you had
this kind of experience Robert?
"Robert L Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4zaI8.30347$%y.28...@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
Robert L Bass
>
> I think we are back to the same old discussion about who
> should have what or who owns what.
>
> My opinions are simple, if you own the panel and are not having it
> monitored, you get the installers code to do with what you want. If you
are
> having it monitored, the company who does the monitoring will have the
final
> say as to who has what. You don't like what the monitoring station terms
> are, then you don't use them.
I don't disagree with the above. The problem is that most dealers *never*
tell the client that there even exists a lockout code. The hapless client
doesn't discover the problem until he gets fed up with the service or
whatever and decides to change providers. You may be telling your clients
the whole truth but we all know that most clients are never told. That's
just plain unfair business practice. If other alarm dealers were more
honest there would not be a problem. Heck, if folks would just give decent
service at a fair price attrition would be such a small problem that no one
would care.
> If I have a customer who wants to change from me to someone else,
> I am happy to attend and do a complete system default at no charge.
That is patently fair and reasonable. Unfortunately, we've heard tales of
woe here and off-line from thousands of client-victims whose alarm companies
treated them unfairly. Those are always the worst offenders when it comes
to giving up (or resetting) the code when a client leaves. I know of one
company that tried to get a commercial account to remit $2,000 to purchase
the "proprietary security program" (in plain English, the lock code) on a
small burg & fire panel in a restaurant. The contract had long since
expired. I swapped the panel. The alarm company owner called me up and
threatened to sue me. That was in 1997. So far no papers have arrived.
I'm waiting. :)
> When I am there I find out why they changed in hopes to better
> serve my customers in the future.
Again you set yourself apart. Many dealers, including several who post
here, only try to find ways to make it harder for the client to walk.
Service is not a priority.
> It also give me a last chance to change their minds...
Gotta try.
> If it is impossible to attend, I dial into the system and default the
> important program areas such as my installers code, the receiver
> phone numbers etc.
No problem with this either.
> Can we put this one to bed?
Not while there are other dealers -- lots of them -- who do things very
differently from what you've outlined above.
> Just as an aside, I just had a shipment stopped at the border by US
Customs
> on Friday. They told me that the equipment I was shipping was intended
for
> sale in Canada only and that by shipping items across the border I
violating
> US law and I am liable for a $25,000.00 fine and 15 years imprisonment in
a
> US facility. They said that they would allow me to attend and reclaim my
> product if I signed a letter acknowledging this. They also told me that
US
> persons who do the same are liable to the same punishments. Have you had
> this kind of experience Robert?
Nope. I don't import anything. I'd like to discuss this with you in
detail. When is visiting day?
Only kidding. I hope you get it straightened out.
Group Moderator
There's a huge difference. There's no legitimate purpose for buying or
selling guns on the street. There are perfectly good reasons for sharing
default codes with those who need them.
Mike Said:
KEYWORD legitimate, Is the guy that you posted **EVERY** default code to
LEGITIMATE?
Is the 45 million people who search google every day LEGITIMATE?"
Did you know this guy? If your answer is YES or NO, you should have used your
HOT TOLL FREE SUPPORT LINE or E-mail.
Speaking about the word Legitimate. Are you licensed to repair security systems
in Sarasota Florida?
Goofy Goes ON:
Also, these codes are so widely available that my post added but a drop to an
ocean of locations where
anyone who knows how to use a search engine can find them.
Mike Said:
Yeah everyone with a search engine can find them because assholes like you put
them there. Everything is widely available if you know when to find the
answers. Go over to alt.locksmithing and ask them boys some KEY CODES. They
will ream you a new asshole. And you can use a new one because that old Florida
State Penn took a toll your ass.
Goofy Goes On:
If dealers would follow these simple principles rather than worry about
using lock codes to make it difficult for clients to change providers, this
sort of thing would never be an issue.
Mike Said:
No, If assholes like you would STOP giving dealer and default codes out, the
industry would not have this problem.
Dealers would make money for turning on and setting up new service just as the
utility companies. Ask Jim Rojas what I told him when he started the panel
unlocking deal. I said Jim, when you receive a panel to unlock SEND IT BACK
DEFAULTED. Do not tell the person who sent it in the dealer code that was in
the panel. That way I could not go into your area, take a panel down, send it
to Jim, find out your dealer code and take over every account you had. DEALER
CODES are called DEALER codes for one reason. BECAUSE THEY ARE FOR THE
DEALER....
Me personally, I do not take a customer who wants DEALER CODES and is
monitiored....I let him walk....I do not install locals (PERIOD). If a customer
disco, dies, or relocates I set the panel back to factory default. That way any
alarm company could service it.
Group Moderator
I have had many cases where the installing company either went out of
business, or just flat out refuses to unlock the customer's panel, so the
customer can get monitored elsewhere.
Jim Rojas
Mike Said:
Oh Well, that's like a person who moves, locks the door and takes the keys with
him. I guess there are times when you just have to buy a new lock or panel.
Them FEW times does not constitute Goofy posting every master/ dealer code in
here. That can be dealt with on a one to one basis VIA telephone or e-mail.
jim turner
> If I have a customer who wants to change from me to someone else,
> I am happy to attend and do a complete system default at no charge.
Unacceptable. The programming is part of the system. If you want to
remove
the account numbers and phone nunbers fine. But resetting to factory
seems like damage to me, rendering the system useless.
j
Robert Campbell
to change to another company who will then be reprogramming the panel using
their receiver number(s), account number and panel ID. As such, there is
nothing wrong with defaulting to factory; it is the best way to ensure there
are no stray codes or programming which could hinder proper functioning. The
new company then coming in would be able to start fresh! I have taken over
some panels in which I didn't bother to default, and have had problems
afterwards with the "call back" option being enabled (it kept trying to
reconnect with the first company when I dialed in to the panel later to
check programming....). So IMO it's not a bad idea to default as a matter of
course when taking over any panel....
However, the only time that might interfere with anything, is if the client
simply wished to have the panel work in "local" mode (no monitoring). A
factory default would destroy any zone programming, which would have to be
reprogrammed for the panel to function properly in any fashion.
However, that is hardly "damage". Any reputable dealer, such as Mr. Skinner,
would simply reprogram those few sections which apply to local mode use, and
the panel would be totally functional.....
RHC
"jim turner" <unknown@unknown.u> wrote in message
news:3CF17DAD.63E0@unknown.u...
Robert Skinner
will monitoring the system. If the customer wants the system local, I will
program it to his/her needs. As far as the "program being part of the
system?, explain that one.
Damaging the system would be to leave the system defaulted and locked out.
"jim turner" <unknown@unknown.u> wrote in message
news:3CF17DAD.63E0@unknown.u...
J. Stevens
system, just restore it so the new alarmco could start with a clean slate.
js
"Robert Campbell" <rh.ca...@homemetal.com> wrote in message
news:0VfI8.99583$ah_....@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Jacob Ashbury
0 out the phone number and account code-
set access codes to default-
no other changes.
"J. Stevens" <no...@nothanks.com> wrote in message
news:odgI8.47725$db7.1...@news2.west.cox.net...
Jacob Ashbury
> Jim Wrote:
> I have had many cases where the installing company either went out of
> business, or just flat out refuses to unlock the customer's panel, so the
> customer can get monitored elsewhere.
> Jim Rojas
>
>
> Mike Said:
> Oh Well, that's like a person who moves, locks the door and takes the keys
with
> him. I guess there are times when you just have to buy a new lock or
panel.
> Them FEW times does not constitute Goofy posting every master/ dealer code
in
> here. That can be dealt with on a one to one basis VIA telephone or
e-mail.
>
bump
Jacob Ashbury
Mike Dupre
springboard to hammer alarm dealers again. I'm not going there, he pretends
not to understand the term HOSTILE take-over, whadda ya gonna do?
We have a free trade agreement with the Amuricans, I'm confused. I think you
should seek clarification. Why are they saying that the items are intended
for sale in Canada only? Is that stamped somewhere in docs? I've seen DSC
stuff that sez North America only (60Hz) but not Canada only... what gives?
Are they pissed about the I AM commercials :-) ?
Andy Hopper used to post here ad...@bps.on.ca
and he exports. So does Allan Yates at www.i2automation.com. Say mikey sent
you (and they'll slam the door in your face:-)
"Robert Skinner" <rgsandas...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:CVaI8.836$t97.2...@news20.bellglobal.com...
Nomen Nescio
>As such, there is
>nothing wrong with defaulting to factory; it is the best way to ensure there
>are no stray codes or programming which could hinder proper functioning. The
>new company then coming in would be able to start fresh!
No, this is very wrong. When you default the customer's panel, you are
depriving him of the use of his system until the new company arrives and
reprograms it. You also increase the cost to the new company, because they
must usually re-identify all of the zones and then reprogram the entire
panel.
If the new company chooses to default the panel prior to programming it,
that is their decision. In some cases it might be wise to do so. But that
should be the new company's choice, not the old one's. The old company
should remove sensitive information and leave the system in working order
as a local--nothing more.
- badenov
Mike Dupre
He means that if you default the whole motherload, the panel won't work
unless of course the existing setup matches the default :-)
I recently took over a P1 system. It wasn't HOSTILE. The customer preferred
me, we checked his contract, gave notice, and on the appropriate day P1
downloaded the panel and set the installer to default and blanked the CS
number and account number, THEY DIDN'T TOUCH ANYTHING ELSE. All I had to do
was enter my CS number and an appropriate account number and away we went,
smooth as silk, same codes, same zone set-ups. Oh, one more thing, I changed
the installer code from the default and horror of horrors, my client doesn't
know what it is. He doesn't know what the last one was either but it hasn't
hurt him so far, has it?
"Robert Skinner" <rgsandas...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44gI8.1335$Ed1.3...@news20.bellglobal.com...
Robert L Bass
be a good thing.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota, FL 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 Fax
rober...@comcast.net
=============================>
"jim turner" <unknown@unknown.u> wrote in message
news:3CF17DAD.63E0@unknown.u...
Robert L Bass
unnecessary to do a factory default just to remove the few items in the
program pertaining to the receiver (acct number, format) and the dealer
(dealer access code). Doing so will at least partially disable most panels.
Not so good.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota, FL 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 Fax
rober...@comcast.net
=============================>
"Robert Campbell" <rh.ca...@homemetal.com> wrote in message
news:0VfI8.99583$ah_....@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Robert L Bass
pertain to your central station (user codes, schedules, entry / exit delays,
zone definitions and descriptions, etc.) are an essential part of the
system. I'm sure you agree that without those the system will in most cases
be less functional and in some cases totally unusable unless and until
someone programs it again. If you sold the "system" to the client and he is
only declining to renew at the expiration of the monitoring contract, don't
you think you should leave him with a fully functional, unmonitored system?
The above is not intended as an accusation or a negative comment in any way.
I think we may have a difference of understanding as to defaulting the
system. What say, Jim? Robert?
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota, FL 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 Fax
rober...@comcast.net
=============================>
"Robert Skinner" <rgsandas...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44gI8.1335$Ed1.3...@news20.bellglobal.com...
TG
wrote:
>I have had many cases where the installing company either went out of
>business, or just flat out refuses to unlock the customer's panel, so the
>customer can get monitored elsewhere.
I have a self installed system, I have been testing "local alarm only"
for some time now... soon I will employ the services of a local
company for monitoring. How do I make certain he doesn't lock me out
of my own equipment?.. I talked to the guy there and he verbally
assured me they wouldn't do that. OK, do I try and get this in writing
or do I take other measures to make sure that can't happen.
The system is a Caddx NX-8e and I can do the programming on it
myself... should I refuse to let him download/upload it? and just tell
him I want to program the settings he requires myself?... or is there
another way to make sure that he won't lock me out.
Also, if you think it's OK to let them download and upload my system,
then is there a likelihood that doing so will alter things like my
auxiliary outputs settings?.. you know, like by over writing-the
system settings with his default settings.
Thank You
TG
Robert Campbell
indicate that I would do that as a matter of course (sorry...it's late, and
I didn't re-read the post carefully before I sent it...)
When I spoke of a complete factory default, I was speaking for what I would
do for MYSELF, when I came in as the new company to take over a panel. I
have never yet lost an account to any other company, but if I was to....I
would not automatically default it as I said...only remove the codes no
longer needed. This would then leave it for the customer as a local system
until such time as the new company arrived.
The decision to completely factory default (or not) should be left to the
new company coming in for the reasons you said. Personally, based on my own
experience, I usually do so, even though it means a little more work to set
up the zoning, since I have been stuck a couple of times unable to upload
the panel because of the callback feature still being in effect....
RHC
"Nomen Nescio" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
news:RJWNZTGW37403.2104976852@Gilgamesh-frog.org...
Robert L Bass
can't get in, he can't lock you out. It's *your* system.
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota, FL 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 Fax
rober...@comcast.net
=============================>
"TG" <txtgu...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:iba3fugvimi6s56at...@4ax.com...
Group Moderator
The subscriber agrees that the programing of the digital communicator shall
remain the sole property of Alarm Services Incorporated and in the event that
service is terminated by either the subscriber or Alarm Services Incorporated,
according to the terms and conditions of this contract. Alarm Services
Incorporated will reprogram the master control panel to operate as a local
system only, thereby stopping the communications with the Central Station. The
subscriber understands that a service call fee will apply if Alarm Services
Incorporated has to dispatch a representative to he premises in the event that
the subscriber has already terminated telephone services.
The subscriber agrees by his/her signature below that he/she has read and fully
understand the above.
PS: Sometimes a subscriber will disconnect telco services and then want the
system set as a local. Bottom line is if we cannot do it through a download
because there is no phone line, They pay a service call fee.
I too agree. When you are defaulting the panel either to a local or a
competitor, The system should be left operational. YOU should only remove the
reporting data (Cs #-Receiver#- Dealer Master)
NO ZONE info should be altered or changed.
Hope the clause helps some of you. It has worked for me for many years.
See these are thing that Goofy cannot help you with.....
Robert Skinner
to another monitoring station. If the customer wants the system for local
only, no problem, I can do that if that is what he wants.
Tell me that when you take over a system you don't reset to factory. I
always do because I don't know what options the previous guy had selected.
I don't know what reporting format he used etc. I can find out using hex
but who wants to take that kind of time.
As far as what is what, in every control box I install is a sheet with a
wiring chart, zone chart and wireless record if needed. I leave that in the
hopes that the next system I take over might have the same.
Robert, when you sell a system to a customer, do you provide the programming
with it or do you send it out in factory default? I know that you will
download a panel for a customer but you do that in the hopes of getting the
monitoring contract right? Or you do the free download thing for referrals
right? My point is that in the end you do it to get paid. I try to leave
my customers with a positive experience for exactly the same reasons. I
leave the panel the way I would like to find it when I do takeovers, simple
as that and in hopes that I increase my business as a result.
"Robert L Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:NGhI8.36881$Gs.33...@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
Mike Dupre
> Absolutely! This is one of the most common dirty tricks alarm installers
> play on their customers.
Okay.... you weren't referring to 'going out of business'; that could hardly
be considered a dirty trick.
Flat out refusing to unlock a customer's panel?
That's probably actionable, fifty bucks for a letter from a lawyers office,
yup, that's a dirty trick. I'll grant you that one.
But you said ONE of the most common dirty tricks?
Tell me some of the other 'common' ones, willya?
and then, if it doesn't keep you from your email,
tell me some of the uncommon ones too.
> Nick Lawrence goes so far as to call it a
"lockout
> virus" since the intended effect is that the client can't make full and
> unimpeded use of property they are selling to him. They all use the same
> lame excuse -- we're keeping you from using your system because someone
else
> you don't know might sue us if you did. Uh-huh. Sure.
>
Earth to Bass: As long as a panel is monitored, dealers have an obligation
to restrict access to the panel, YOU are confusing LOCAL with MONITORED
panels. When you drop ship your panels, you are unable to access the
installer code so there is no problem. Why do you even have an opinion on
this?
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> =============================>
> Bass Home Electronics
> The Online DIY Alarm Store
yada yada yada
>
> Jim Rojas tells us when and why he unlocks panels:
Jacob Ashbury
> It must be just me. I was addressing the topic of a panel that I was
losing
> to another monitoring station. If the customer wants the system for local
> only, no problem, I can do that if that is what he wants.
>
> Tell me that when you take over a system you don't reset to factory. I
> always do because I don't know what options the previous guy had selected.
> I don't know what reporting format he used etc. I can find out using hex
> but who wants to take that kind of time.
>
lessons from panels I "assumed" were properly programmed.
I have a customer in another state that I was trying to get the local guy to
default- he 'just doesn't think it needs it' is all I've heard. finally,
after weeks of frustration I went out and defaulted the panel and re-proged
it. No more 2:30AM 'undefined' coming in.
I agree with Bob Skinner- you never know what gremlins are in those systems.
Except, as Mike Dupre stated- I also have had no problem with P-1 poping
their own codes- course they are out of business in my areas now so every
system gets defaulted on take-over
> As far as what is what, in every control box I install is a sheet with a
> wiring chart, zone chart and wireless record if needed. I leave that in
the
> hopes that the next system I take over might have the same.
>
a lost customer the new tech will remember I 'did him right.' It really is
a small world.
Group Moderator
codes. I kidnapped his Chevette, and even threatened to burn his collection
of Herman's Hermits memorabilia. But alas, it was no use.
js
Mike Said:
Anal Entry ----he would give his face away.
Robert L Bass
As to defaulting during a takeover, it would depend on which panel he has.
With anything Napco makes I'd read the current program discuss anything that
seems strange with the client and then make whatever changes I want.
When I sell a system it's delivered direct from either the manufacturer or
one of the major distributors. It comes at factory default. I like to do
the initial programming for the client because it saves them a lot of trial
and error (the operative word here being "error) and it gets them into the
learning curve on the fourth floor. Monitoring is an option but I don't
push it. If they want it I make the arrangements. I like to do the
monitoring setup but some clients prefer to do their own programming. If
they get into difficulty I always bail them out. It goes with the
territory.
I know you're not trying to put my service in a bad light; but no, I do free
programming because it's good customer service. Most DIY clients don't want
monitoring. You have to respect their wishes. I explain the benefits and
costs but in the end it's their decision.
From what you've shared here over the course of time I get the impression
that you and I have very similar attitudes about how to treat clients. We
may approach the business using radically different methods but if the
client gets a fair shake and his system is properly fitted either method is
acceptable. I want to make a profit from what I do. Some folks speak ill
of me because they say my only motive in helping DIY'rs and newbies is to
generate online sales. They are partially correct. My primary objective in
doing what I do here is to build my business. But if the method results in
a lot of DIY'rs (my potential clients) getting good advice and freebies from
my FAQ, that seems fair enough. Of course there are certain individuals
who claim that's a bad thing but then again, who cares, right?
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota, FL 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 Fax
rober...@comcast.net
=============================>
"Robert Skinner" <rgsandas...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:TAiI8.1299$t97.4...@news20.bellglobal.com...
Jacob Ashbury
'dirty tricks' I don't get it.
EVERY* monitored system I ever put in the customer got NO access to
programming without a signed disclaimer.
*after the first one I gave the customer access codes- he was a retired
dealer 2 1/2 hrs. away. I went back for FREE (no pay for service within 90
days bubba) and locked him out. He had been 'tweaking' his system and had
caused 20+ hours of undefined over a holiday weekend. I was not happy about
it. Pulaski, TN.- I remember him well. The local police chief had a
looooooooong talk with me. Most of my butt was left there.
"Mike Dupre" <mdu...@medi-call.ca> wrote in message
news:ULiI8.124112$t8_....@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Jacob Ashbury
> wrote:
>
> >I have had many cases where the installing company either went out of
> >business, or just flat out refuses to unlock the customer's panel, so the
> >customer can get monitored elsewhere.
>
> I have a self installed system, I have been testing "local alarm only"
> for some time now... soon I will employ the services of a local
> company for monitoring. How do I make certain he doesn't lock me out
> of my own equipment?.. I talked to the guy there and he verbally
> assured me they wouldn't do that. OK, do I try and get this in writing
> or do I take other measures to make sure that can't happen.
>
> The system is a Caddx NX-8e and I can do the programming on it
> myself... should I refuse to let him download/upload it? and just tell
> him I want to program the settings he requires myself?... or is there
> another way to make sure that he won't lock me out.
>
In Loc 21 PG 16 "DOWNLOAD CONTROL" there are a few toggles that might give
you peace of mind (NX-8 book)
Also Loc 19 for DOWNLOAD ACCESS CODE
I don't do downloads for many of the reasons discussed in this NG of late so
I don't know if the toggles really will block a 'genious downloader.' They
read like the will.
> Also, if you think it's OK to let them download and upload my system,
> then is there a likelihood that doing so will alter things like my
> auxiliary outputs settings?.. you know, like by over writing-the
> system settings with his default settings.
No problem- be sure and leave a set of keys under the front door mat too,
O.K.?
j/k
Access is access- one more reason NOT to use a local monitoring station.
>
> Thank You
> TG
Group Moderator
If they get into difficulty I always bail them out. It goes with the
territory.
Mike Said:
And who bails you out. Napco Tech Support OR Jim Rojas........
Group Moderator
I do free programming because it's good customer service. Most DIY clients
don't want monitoring. You have to respect their wishes. I explain the
benefits and
costs but in the end it's their decision.
Mike Said:
BULLSHIT. You offer a FREE download and try to JAMB the with monitoring.
I know the old game. Jim Rojas does downloads for various dealer, Central
Stations, and DIY's.....NOT FOR FREE thought. He is always backlogged maybe you
can down load a few hundred panels for FREE and help him out.
Mike Dupre
news:acsepb$2bs$1...@slb5.atl.mindspring.net...
> Got you on a roll Mike-
> 'dirty tricks' I don't get it.
Jim posted why he unlocks panels and Bass twisted it in to a big bad dealer
tirade again, same old, same old
> EVERY* monitored system I ever put in the customer got NO access to
> programming without a signed disclaimer.
I just write client has access to programming on the contract and have them
sign it. I get a signal if the panel's downloaded so I just check what
they've mucked with if / when it happens. So far so good. Nobody's tried to
lock me out yet either :-)
I had to snip the rest, a retired dealer no less, yeouch
TG
<ch...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>"TG" <txtgu...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:iba3fugvimi6s56at...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 26 May 2002 18:12:48 GMT, "Jim Rojas" <jro...@tech-man.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I have had many cases where the installing company either went out of
>> >business, or just flat out refuses to unlock the customer's panel, so the
>> >customer can get monitored elsewhere.
>>
>> I have a self installed system, I have been testing "local alarm only"
>> for some time now... soon I will employ the services of a local
>> company for monitoring. How do I make certain he doesn't lock me out
>> of my own equipment?.. I talked to the guy there and he verbally
>> assured me they wouldn't do that. OK, do I try and get this in writing
>> or do I take other measures to make sure that can't happen.
>>
>Unless he is reallly cheap find a UL station.
>
http://www.smartpages.com/home/securitystore
OK, I thought the guy told me that the monitoring he offers is UL
listed... but, after you said that I went to their flimsy web page
(above link) to be sure and I find no mention of UL listing. I think I
better find another place.. thank you for mentioning that factor.
>
>> Also, if you think it's OK to let them download and upload my system,
>> then is there a likelihood that doing so will alter things like my
>> auxiliary outputs settings?.. you know, like by over writing-the
>> system settings with his default settings.
>No problem- be sure and leave a set of keys under the front door mat too,
>O.K.?
>j/k
>Access is access- one more reason NOT to use a local monitoring station.
I understand your jest... I think I got it... so it's safer to go with
a non-local and UL listed monitoring provider partially because of it
being harder for someone crooked there (far away) to take advantage of
me?.. and don't allow them to download the system if at all possible?
Thanks
TG
Nunya Bizness
From: "Robert L Bass" rober...@comcast.net
Date: 5/27/02 12:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <B2jI8.32115$%y.33...@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
>That makes more sense.<
As if you'd know sense if you saw it...
>I didn't really think you'd sabotage an ex-client.<
He's not like you? He doesn't post confidential information on the Internet?
>As to defaulting during a takeover, it would depend on which panel he has.
With anything Napco makes I'd read the current program discuss anything that
seems strange with the client and then make whatever changes I want.<
Read the current program? Aren't youthe great, and wise Guru Gambali when it
comes to Napco? You wouldn't know Napco from Napa.
>When I sell a system it's delivered direct from either the manufacturer or
one of the major distributors.<
You sell refurbished parts and crap you buy from EBAY. If these "educated"
clods that buy from you did a half of an ounce of homework they would find the
same crap you sell for as much as 50% LESS on EBAY.
>It comes at factory default. I like to do
the initial programming for the client because it saves them a lot of trial
and error (the operative word here being "error) and it gets them into the
learning curve on the fourth floor.<
Wow, how considerate of you to take 3 seconds and use download software for a
panel. You're such a humanitarian.
> Monitoring is an option but I don't
push it. If they want it I make the arrangements. I like to do the
monitoring setup but some clients prefer to do their own programming. If
they get into difficulty I always bail them out. It goes with the
territory.<
You're not licensed to offer monitoring. Why don't you stop breaking the law
while putting your clients at risk?
>I know you're not trying to put my service in a bad light; but no, I do free
programming because it's good customer service. Most DIY clients don't want
monitoring. You have to respect their wishes. I explain the benefits and
costs but in the end it's their decision.<
You don't give a rat's ass about your clients safety. You care about the buck
almighty so you will agree with whatever the customer wants to do and make them
seem like a genius for choosing to do it that way. You could care less if
someone NEEDED monitoring but was apprehensive about getting it. You're a fast
buck artist and your clients are too ignorant to heed the warnings.
>From what you've shared here over the course of time I get the impression
that you and I have very similar attitudes about how to treat clients.<
YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!
>We may approach the business using radically different methods but if the
client gets a fair shake and his system is properly fitted either method is
acceptable.<
I'd bet Bob Skinner has liability insurance, proper licensing, and a clean
record (Before Mark L asks "how do you know?" I will tell you....... Robert
Skinner was an ADT Authorized Dealer. ADT won't sign up felons as dealers).
>I want to make a profit from what I do.<
Your prices suck. Rent City would offer better prices on alarm merchandise than
you.
>Some folks speak ill
of me because they say my only motive in helping DIY'rs and newbies is to
generate online sales.<
You look at the posted questions, the you pick up a book, look up the answer,
and post it here. Wow, you're a genius.
>They are partially correct. My primary objective in
doing what I do here is to build my business.<
Primary? You mean your ONLY objective here is the buck.I don't know your
objectives in that gay bear newsgroup but I'd bet it rhymes with buck.
>But if the method results in
a lot of DIY'rs (my potential clients) getting good advice and freebies from
my FAQ, that seems fair enough.<
Your "FAQ" is nothing more than a compilation of everyone elses FAQ sections.
It doesn't make you a genius because you raise your hand the most times in
class. Anyone can copy information.
>Of course there are certain individuals
who claim that's a bad thing but then again, who cares, right?<
I think the majority of those people claim YOU ARE A BAD THING. You've tried to
turn it into a DIY vs Installer debate for YEARS now and nobody takes your
bait. You make Paul seem like an affable guy. Don't you find it odd that you're
the ONLY "on-line store operator" that gets attacked? You're the only one that
ever badmouthed the other DIY sources. You're the only one that bashed Andy
Bowman, and Ralph from Norco (using an alias on both). In fact, the ONLY person
here to EVER attack any of these other on line sources is YOU.
Once again you have proven that........................................
YOU ARE A JACKASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nunya Bizness
Subject: Re: What the hell`s the matter with you guys??
From: "Mike Dupre" mdu...@medi-call.ca
Date: 5/27/02 1:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <kJjI8.101044$ah_....@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
Jacob Ashbury
> On Mon, 27 May 2002 00:18:33 -0500, "Jacob Ashbury"
> <ch...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"TG" <txtgu...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:iba3fugvimi6s56at...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 26 May 2002 18:12:48 GMT, "Jim Rojas" <jro...@tech-man.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have had many cases where the installing company either went out of
> >> >business, or just flat out refuses to unlock the customer's panel, so
the
> >> >customer can get monitored elsewhere.
> >>
> >> I have a self installed system, I have been testing "local alarm only"
> >> for some time now... soon I will employ the services of a local
> >> company for monitoring. How do I make certain he doesn't lock me out
> >> of my own equipment?.. I talked to the guy there and he verbally
> >> assured me they wouldn't do that. OK, do I try and get this in writing
> >> or do I take other measures to make sure that can't happen.
> >>
> >Unless he is reallly cheap find a UL station.
> >
>
> http://www.smartpages.com/home/securitystore
>
> OK, I thought the guy told me that the monitoring he offers is UL
> listed... but, after you said that I went to their flimsy web page
> (above link) to be sure and I find no mention of UL listing. I think I
> better find another place.. thank you for mentioning that factor.
>
top. A non-UL station can be ANYTHING!
An old 286 with call-waiting :-)
One person on duty when they aren't watching T.V., naping or in the can-
> >
> >> Also, if you think it's OK to let them download and upload my system,
> >> then is there a likelihood that doing so will alter things like my
> >> auxiliary outputs settings?.. you know, like by over writing-the
> >> system settings with his default settings.
> >No problem- be sure and leave a set of keys under the front door mat too,
> >O.K.?
> >j/k
> >Access is access- one more reason NOT to use a local monitoring station.
>
> I understand your jest... I think I got it... so it's safer to go with
> a non-local and UL listed monitoring provider partially because of it
> being harder for someone crooked there (far away) to take advantage of
> me?.. and don't allow them to download the system if at all possible?
>
Big stations get big for many reasons- one is they do their jobs well.
Good luck
> Thanks
> TG
Group Moderator
A non-UL station can be ANYTHING!
An old 286 with call-waiting :-)
One person on duty when they aren't watching T.V., naping or in the can-
Mike Said:
Hmmm sounds like you've been to Goofy Bass's MINI as he would call it
Garage/Living/Office/Kitchen/Shed central station....
Jacob Ashbury
"Group Moderator" <alarm...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020527040351...@mb-ct.aol.com...
> Jake Wrote:
> A non-UL station can be ANYTHING!
> An old 286 with call-waiting :-)
> One person on duty when they aren't watching T.V., naping or in the can-
>
From looking at the divorce paper flow I'll bet she was shocked when the
'accounting' showed what he really had!
What was the number of his trailer lot?
That Pine View Cirlce thing is bogus-
Group Moderator
Clueless ended up with that and all 7 accounts! From looking at the divorce
paper flow I'll bet she was shocked when the 'accounting' showed what he really
had!
Mike Said:
Funny shit, she took his Music CD Collection, and the dick was all over on line
trying replace them. Did you see the divorce HTML? You can go HERE:
http://www.goofysplace.com/GOOFY/divorce_info.htm
Then go to the bottom of the page and
Click HERE for the original
Lets see him Deny and try to weasel his way out of that one.
PS: Had the page counter fixed "JUST FOR YOU"
Jake Asks:
What was the number of his trailer lot?
That Pine View Circle thing is bogus
Mike Said:
A BASS DESPISER had sent me a e-mail. He is supposed to be taking a picture of
Goof's trailer and sending it up the webmaster of the Goof site. He was living
with Step Mommy Bonnie & Software Sissy for the longest while. Imagine that 60
years old and still living with Mommy & Sissy. I think him and Sissy a *REAL*
good friends if you know what I mean.
Jacob Ashbury
Florida I posted a few months back.
The Florida sites are not user friendly (to this user anyway).
"Group Moderator" <alarm...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020527043536...@mb-ct.aol.com...
VSS DOUG
Most customers have absolutely no interest in knowing the code.
Most alarm companies, at least those that I know of will change the code if
the customer chooses another company to provide the monitoring
Most of these endless "lock out" threads are perpetuated by you in an attempt
to further sully the reputation of the alarm industry to suit your own
purposes.
Doug L
RLB wrote
>The problem is that most dealers *never*
>tell the client that there even exists a lockout code
VSS DOUG
of coming out the fallout shelter, the only living things left are cockroaches
shuffling around to the distant sound of "Oi'm enerey the eight oi am" playing
incessantly in the background.
Doug L
Jack wrote
J. Stevens
js
"VSS DOUG" <vss...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020527143305...@mb-cr.aol.com...
VSS DOUG
Doug L
Jack wrote
J. Stevens
Jacob Ashbury
"filter and dont use this spam trap false address hereafter"
<ch...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:o2o5fu0lr8inn3ink...@4ax.com...
> On 27 May 2002 18:09:48 GMT, vss...@aol.com (VSS DOUG) wrote:
>
> >Most customers are never told the code
attempt
> >to further sully the reputation of the alarm industry to suit your own
> >purposes.
> >
> >Doug L
>
> Most of the customers don't need the code and will never use it but
> business honesty is to tell them (before they purchase it) that you
> will put a code in theyre system that will "lock him and other
> professionals out" to extend/modify hiss system in some operational
> important area's.
>
O.K., so?
> They have to be aware that by doing so you block theyre system in
> order to keep control of that system "they" pay for, have physical
> present in theyre premisses but in fact don't own because they are
> unable to sell it, put it in theyre new home, add sensor, +++ without
> "your" permission and intervention.
>
No lame-o
The main reason for a 'lock-out' is to PROTECT (comprende'?) the integrity
of the system. IF you were an alarm guy you would know this.
While many argue we don't install "security" systems but rather notification
devices this is just hair-splitting. Any real alarm guy wants to protect
the system (integrity) so that the system will protect the customer.
No harm or control (freak) crap- protection is the reason.
I can tell from your posts that protection is a foreign concept to you- had
your father been properly schooled in protection you wouldn't be posting
now- get it?
Jake-
VSS DOUG
courtesey to you as you did to me, and hacked out some of the relevant parts of
your post, but I think you'll agree it didn't change the context too much.
Doug L
Paul wrote
>Doug you are
>honest
>and
>Fair
>at least you
>tell them all the impacts of that
>code
>Paul
Jacob Ashbury
m..leuck
"J. Stevens" <no...@nothanks.com> wrote in message
news:lv8I8.46945$db7.1...@news2.west.cox.net...
> Nunya Bizness said
> > I'd like to believe that Mark is a decent enough person not to disclose
> that
> > info. At no time in my dealings with him have I ever suspected Mark of
> being
> > nothing but responsible.
>
> I'll say. I saw Mark at ISC West this year and tried to get the secret
collection
> of Herman's Hermits memorabilia. But alas, it was no use.
Wha...? How did you know I had Herman's Hermits
memorabilia???????????????????
(the monkey must have talked)
m..leuck
(some here might remember that one)
"J. Stevens" <no...@nothanks.com> wrote in message
news:j3vI8.51243$db7.2...@news2.west.cox.net...
m..leuck
to another company even when they weren't originally customers in the first
place (new home prewire and installation but no monitoring)
"Jim Rojas" <jro...@tech-man.com> wrote in message
news:AA9I8.12492$Np5...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> I have had many cases where the installing company either went out of
> business, or just flat out refuses to unlock the customer's panel, so the
> customer can get monitored elsewhere.
>
> Jim Rojas
>
> "Robert L Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Oo9I8.22715$gk.26...@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
> > There's a huge difference. There's no legitimate purpose for buying or
> > selling guns on the street. There are perfectly good reasons for
sharing
> > default codes with those who need them. Also, these codes are so widely
> > available that my post added but a drop to an ocean of locations where
> > anyone who knows how to use a search engine can find them.
> >
> > Also, since virtually no existing guns in the US are "lock coded" anyone
> who
> > picks one up can blow his baby sister's brains out (happens all the
time).
> > But a properly installed alarm will usually have the code altered. It
is
> > the responsibility of the dealer to inform the purchaser (notice I
didn't
> > say "lessee") of the code he will need in case the dealer ever goes out
of
> > business or in case he decides later to change providers.
> >
> > If dealers would follow these simple principles rather than worry about
> > using lock codes to make it difficult for clients to change providers,
> this
> > sort of thing would never be an issue. Of course, that would require
that
> > alarm dealers be honest and fair. Perhaps I shouldn't have chuckled.
:(
> >
> > Regards,
> > Robert L Bass
> >
> > =============================>
> > Bass Home Electronics
> > The Online DIY Alarm Store
> > http://www.Bass-Home.com
> > 2291 Pine View Circle
> > Sarasota, FL 34231
> > 877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
> > 941-925-9747 Fax
> > rober...@comcast.net
> > =============================>
> >
> > "WTF" <lur...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:3CF016FC...@home.com...
> > >
> > > Robert L Bass wrote:
> > >
> > > > I hate to burst your bobble but those codes are common knowledge.
> They
> > can
> > > > be found in online manuals available for free download from hundreds
> of
> > web
> > > > sites. As to the MM, well if you think that makes him any less of
an
> > M...
> > > > heh, heh, heh.
> > >
> > > Heh Heh my ass. Lets take this a little further. The gangbangers can
buy
> > guns
> > > on the street, that`s common knowledge also. So does that mean you can
> > sell
> > > yours to them? That is if you even had one to sell. Or how about
drugs?
> > Just
> > > because it`s already happening, doesn`t make it alright for you to
join
> > in.
> > > Have a little bit of professionalism.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
m..leuck
"TG" <txtgu...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:iba3fugvimi6s56at...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 26 May 2002 18:12:48 GMT, "Jim Rojas" <jro...@tech-man.com>
> wrote:
>
> >business, or just flat out refuses to unlock the customer's panel, so the
> >customer can get monitored elsewhere.
>
> for some time now... soon I will employ the services of a local
> company for monitoring. How do I make certain he doesn't lock me out
> of my own equipment?.. I talked to the guy there and he verbally
> assured me they wouldn't do that. OK, do I try and get this in writing
> or do I take other measures to make sure that can't happen.
>
> myself... should I refuse to let him download/upload it? and just tell
> him I want to program the settings he requires myself?... or is there
> another way to make sure that he won't lock me out.
That would be pretty simple, see if you can get into programming after they
program it
> Also, if you think it's OK to let them download and upload my system,
> then is there a likelihood that doing so will alter things like my
> auxiliary outputs settings?.. you know, like by over writing-the
> system settings with his default settings.
I think its okay and in fact advisable if I were doing it to at least make
sure the reporting is correct, downloading will not change your output
settings unless they intended to change it