Radionics Security Equipment??
uli...@my-deja.com
reccomened a Radionics panel (system). I have heard of companies like
Ademco, Napco and DSC but Radionics is sort of new to me. The price that
was quoted on the purchase of the Radionics stuff was competative with
the DSC and Ademco equipment.
My question to all of you is, what is your opinion (good/bad) about
Radionics security systems? BTW, my install is residential. Radionics
2412 controller/panel with eight points/zones was what was suggested by
the installer for the security system.
Thanks.
Mike
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Before you buy.
NBFAA
usually more expensive then the ademco and dsc products. I believe that the
radionics panels are great panels but I wouldn't go with the 2412 controller.
I would go with at the very least a 16 zone panel, on board points, without
expansion and one with expansion potential by adding expansion devices. Also,
Radionics requires a programmer to program your panel. Don't double up on
zones ! That is the best advice I can give you.
Rodney
>uli...@my-deja.com wrote
>Date: 03/28/2000 5:04 AM Pacif
uli...@my-deja.com
nb...@aol.com (NBFAA) wrote:
> Radionics is a well known brand out here in Az. This particular
product is
> usually more expensive then the ademco and dsc products. I believe
that the
> radionics panels are great panels but I wouldn't go with the 2412
controller.
> I would go with at the very least a 16 zone panel, on board points,
without
> expansion and one with expansion potential by adding expansion
devices. Also,
> Radionics requires a programmer to program your panel. Don't double up
on
> zones ! That is the best advice I can give you.
don't double up zones? More than one sensor per zone or "point"?
NYAlarmco
>From: uli...@my-deja.com
>Date: 3/28/00 8:04 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <8bqajq$pgd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>I just recently received a quote from a local security company. They
>reccomened a Radionics panel (system). I have heard of companies like
>Ademco, Napco and DSC but Radionics is sort of new to me. The price that
>was quoted on the purchase of the Radionics stuff was competative with
>the DSC and Ademco equipment.
>My question to all of you is, what is your opinion (good/bad) about
>Radionics security systems? BTW, my install is residential. Radionics
>2412 controller/panel with eight points/zones was what was suggested by
>the installer for the security system.
>Thanks.
>Mike
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
>
>
>
If having the option of changing security companies after your contract is over
is important to you, then I would not recomend Radionics. Radionics is sold
only to authorized dealers. If you wish to change service companies in the
future, only another Radionics dealer can help you.
It is not unusual for Radionics dealers to also install other systems like the
ones you mentioned. If you like this company, you might want to ask them If
they would sell you another brand that can be taken over by another company if
the need arises.
The way alarm companies are being bought and sold theses days, there's no
guarantee that your contract will not be owned by another company someday that
may not be of your liking.
So if your going to own this equipment, you should be able to have the freedom
to choose in the future. Otherwise Radionics is good stuff.
All the best,
John
RANGER ALARM SERVICES
Serving: Nassau,Suffolk,Brooklyn and Queens N.Y.
516 777-1809
Mark Leuck
people know how to program them
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> Radionics is a well known brand out here in Az. This particular product
is
> usually more expensive then the ademco and dsc products. I believe that
the
> radionics panels are great panels but I wouldn't go with the 2412
controller.
> I would go with at the very least a 16 zone panel, on board points,
without
> expansion and one with expansion potential by adding expansion devices.
Also,
> Radionics requires a programmer to program your panel. Don't double up on
> zones ! That is the best advice I can give you.
>
>
>
>
Just dumped a brand new Radionics, that was installed in my
new home, in the garbage, not much use without any codes.
The installation was a nightmare, all twisted connections,
window switches falling off, door switches shorted.
No backup battery or RJ31x.
What a deal !!!!.
Replacing the mess with a DSC832 and real
parts.
Yes, I am in AZ(Scottsdale).
Cliff s
Marc Mazzarese
"Mark Leuck" <mle...@iadfw.net> wrote in message
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holger
future, other than your present company will be very limited. They require
you sell a certain amount of panels per month to stay a dealer. What happens
if they loose their dealership?
Get prices on all types of panels. Try getting one from someone who sells
Sentrol, perhaps a Z1250 or even Z2000. The programming is easy without a
book should the dealer/installer ever go south.
<H>
Kevin Link
"require" a programmer. It is easier to program them with a programmer
(D5200) but can be programmed through the keypad (with an installer
code).
Mark Leuck
programs fine with the 5200
I have a bar code reader in my office, haven't tried it out yet tho since
the 5200 is much easier
"Marc Mazzarese" <ma...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> If I remember its a bar code programmer, is that correct Mark?
> "Mark Leuck" <mle...@iadfw.net> wrote in message
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> > They are good systems but require an expensive programmer and not that
> many
> > people know how to program them
> >
> >
> >
> > <uli...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Mark Leuck
BTW, anyone have scanned instructions for the 5100?
"Thomas Gerchak" <tger...@pdq.net> wrote in message
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> There is no product handler for the 5100 that works with the 2412.
>
> Respectfully,
> thomas
>
Robert L Bass
in the immediate area, the end user may be stuck with no choice of providers.
If the dealer decides to jack prices skyward the customer may just have to pay
whatever is demanded.
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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holger <h...@heselectronics.com> wrote in message
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: Careful. Radionics is a closed shop. In other words, finding service in the
: future, other than your present company will be very limited. They require
: you sell a certain amount of panels per month to stay a dealer. What happens
: if they loose their dealership?
:
: Get prices on all types of panels. Try getting one from someone who sells
: Sentrol, perhaps a Z1250 or even Z2000. The programming is easy without a
: book should the dealer/installer ever go south.
:
: <H>
:
: uli...@my-deja.com wrote:
:
: > I just recently received a quote from a local security company. They
:
Robert L Bass
Will Radionics or any non-Radionics dealer be willing/able to help this end user
if he decides one day to cancel his monitoring agreement with the installing
dealer?
Kevin Link <lin...@revealed.net> wrote in message
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: The 2000 series panels are quite end user freindly. They also do not
:
Jim Rojas
Residential systems are very poorly designed and are butt ugly. I service
many of their systems. I do at times remove them and install a more user
friendly system instead. It depends the level of understanding of the
customer. I get many computer geeks that love them and would never switch.
They will only upgrade to a newer more powerful model...go figure...
Jim Rojas
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Thomas Gerchak
Respectfully,
thomas
Mark Leuck wrote:
> If its the 4112/6112 I think you can use the bar code reader, I do know it
> programs fine with the 5200
>
> I have a bar code reader in my office, haven't tried it out yet tho since
> the 5200 is much easier
>
> "Marc Mazzarese" <ma...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:9HpE4.3260$9m6.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > If I remember its a bar code programmer, is that correct Mark?
> > "Mark Leuck" <mle...@iadfw.net> wrote in message
> > news:525DBF0ACC5AD760.03DF60FB...@lp.airnews.net...
> > > They are good systems but require an expensive programmer and not that
> > many
> > > people know how to program them
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <uli...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8bqajq$pgd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Thomas Gerchak
panel.
There are 'advantages' to buying from 'authorized' dealers, although it rarely gets
mentioned here.
Respectfully,
thomas
Thomas Gerchak
Respectfully,
thomas
jim
writes:
>Subject: Re: Radionics Security Equipment??
>From: Thomas Gerchak <tger...@pdq.net>
>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:22:48 GMT
>
>A complaint to Radionics should rectify the problem if the customer legally
>owns the
>panel.
>
>There are 'advantages' to buying from 'authorized' dealers, although it
>rarely gets
>mentioned here.
Hi Thomas,
What would that be? Since I am not a dealer, I only seem to be able to think
of reasons why I shouldn't be one. What would be an advantage to the end user?
I can think of things good for the dealer, but not the customer.
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"Robert L Bass" <alar...@home.com> wrote in message
>the end user may be stuck with no choice of providers.
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> A complaint to Radionics should rectify the problem if the customer
legally owns the
> panel.
>
> There are 'advantages' to buying from 'authorized' dealers, although it
rarely gets
> mentioned here.
>
> thomas
>
Radionics does not respond to end users, only dealers.
This is why I placed a new panel in the garbage, without any
codes the panel is worthless and yes, I legally owned it.
Dealers will not provide any info unless you sign at least
a 3 year monitoring agreement whether you want the system
monitored or not.
Cliff s
Thomas Gerchak
complain to the companies representative for that area. The company does not want
a dealer who is not installing the equipment correctly or is conducting business
in a bad way. This reflects badly on the product.
Knowing that dealership in a reputable product line is a two way obligation, the
customer is assured another degree that the dealer is probably not a fly-by-night
or trunkslammer.
Respectfully,
thomas
Thomas Gerchak
Radionics does not respond to end users, only dealers.
This is why I placed a new panel in the garbage, without any
codes the panel is worthless and yes, I legally owned it.
Dealers will not provide any info unless you sign at least
a 3 year monitoring agreement whether you want the system
monitored or not.
Sorry to hear about your Radionics experience, Cliff. Nobody in this NG
would help you? The alarmco dealers for Radionics in your area wouldn't even
do a service call to read the panel, give you the codes and a user manual?
That's a gravy service call that a tech could almost leave the van running,
hop out and do, and still catch the end of the song that was playing on the
radio when he drove up.
You are correct in that if you call up Radionics and get the receptionist,
not to advance the information that you are an end user. This is a sure way
to be told immediately that you should consult a dealer. Instead you might
ask for the service rep for your area and his/her phone number. When you
speak to the rep, come clean and ask if they know of a dealer and persons
name locally you can call. Call this local dealer and explain your dilemma
to them, stating that the Radionics Rep gave you their name. I can't imagine
why anyone wouldn't be glad to help.
Of course the panel in the garbage trick worked for you so I really don't
know.
Respectfully,
thomas
jim
writes:
>Subject: Re: Radionics Security Equipment??
>From: Thomas Gerchak <tger...@pdq.net>
>Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:04:16 GMT
>
>If the dealer should violate proper business practice, then the consumer
>could
>complain to the companies representative for that area. The company does not
>want
>a dealer who is not installing the equipment correctly or is conducting
>business
>in a bad way. This reflects badly on the product.
I'm pretty sure that some form of this could be obtained by the end user with
other products as well. If an end user has a bad experience with a contractor,
the fact that the dealer is giving bad service is probably indicative that he
doesn't care and therefor would probably not react to a manufacturers
"pressure" The end user usually has other recourses such as the Better Business
Bureau. Department of Consumer Affairs, The local or state Attorney Generals
office, or even local "Hot Line"
>
>Knowing that dealership in a reputable product line is a two way obligation,
>the
>customer is assured another degree that the dealer is probably not a
>fly-by-night or trunkslammer.
I'm not sure, but I would think that the only requirement of Radionics would
be for the dealer to buy a certain quantity of product. Of course, this doesn't
assure stability. Do they investigate the background of the company that
requests a dealership?
>
In this area, various companys have periodically taken on the Radionics line
even small companys. I've always had the impression that it is being done to
"lock in" the consumer so that they have very little choice of useing someone
else for their service or monitoring. I don't know this for a fact, but it
"seems" that many times it is a company that can't seem to hold on to it's
customers for "whatever reasons". It seem to work for awhile and eventually
the company will drop the line. They will still service what systems they have
out there, but will begin installing other more popularly used systems in this
area. So from my point of view and experience in this area, it seems like it's
not the value of the product, but the exclusivity of it, that is being
exploited.
I can only imagine that once they begin marketing in an area, the other
companys they are bidding against will advise the prospective client about the
exclusivity of the Radionics line and eventually, the Radionics dealer finds
that he can't sell it against the competition. The companys in this area who
service the line are usually a larger company ....... but they don't use
Radionics as their main line of panels. They just seem to keep it around as
another possible source of income.
At one time, a couple of years after one company did a Radionics selling blitz
in this area for about 5 years, I had dozens of Radionics panels in my
basement. As did a number of other companys that I know of. I eventually sold
them to a dealer in another area of less then half of their original cost. They
weren't easy to get rid of ..... no one wanted them. Still have a few left.
They did make a fine panel and they were doing things that we do today, many
years ago. But it's hard to figure out what their strategy is. They haven't
changed the panel in years. They sell to an exclusive dealership which limits
their sales. From an outsiders point of view, it seem that they started out
with all good intentions and then forgot where they were going.
Mark Leuck
the thing is for now totally silent
I'm new with this software package