Ademco 4219 Zone Expander

[Eddie]

Good morning Gentlemen,

I'm having a bit of a problem.....here it is.

Using an Ademco 20P, which has (1) 4219 Zone Expander ( I will be installing
2 more 4229 on top of that) installed.

Installed 3 System Sensor 2100AT two wire smoke detectors on the 4219
expansion board.

And it dont work (No blinking LED on the SD, no alarm triggers....Nothing!).
I then was told 2 wire smokes will not work on the expansion board, that
they have to be wired to zone 1 on the 20P Panel. Thats fine, but I wanted
my smokes on independent zones (Not all on one zone).

I was then told I'd be relegated to using 4 wire smokes if I want them wired
into the 4219 or 4229 expansion boards.

Anybody ever experience this? Is this correct?

Thanks,
Eddie

[Eddie]

OK, Thank You. Just wanted to double check.

Eddie

"Jim Rojas" <jro...@tech-man.com> wrote in message
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> 2 wire smokes must go on zone 1 only. 4 wire smokes can go on any zone.
>
> Jim Rojas
>
> "Eddie" <lva...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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[Jim Rojas]

2 wire smokes must go on zone 1 only. 4 wire smokes can go on any zone.

Jim Rojas

"Eddie" <lva...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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[m..leuck]

"Eddie" <lva...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Good morning Gentlemen,
>
> I'm having a bit of a problem.....here it is.
>
> Using an Ademco 20P, which has (1) 4219 Zone Expander ( I will be
installing
> 2 more 4229 on top of that) installed.
>
> Installed 3 System Sensor 2100AT two wire smoke detectors on the 4219
> expansion board.

Can't do it, they have to occupy zone 1 on the main board

> And it dont work (No blinking LED on the SD, no alarm
triggers....Nothing!).
> I then was told 2 wire smokes will not work on the expansion board, that
> they have to be wired to zone 1 on the 20P Panel. Thats fine, but I wanted
> my smokes on independent zones (Not all on one zone).

Sorry, wrong panel then

> I was then told I'd be relegated to using 4 wire smokes if I want them
wired
> into the 4219 or 4229 expansion boards.
>
> Anybody ever experience this? Is this correct?

You can use the 4-wire smokes on any zone but zone 1 however the power from
the smokes must wire into a relay on the 4219 to be able to reset the smokes
in the event of an alarm

[Eddie]

I was under the impression that the Vista 20P reset the smokes uopn entering
your code + Off (If the zone was configured as a fire zone in programming).

If my 4 wire smoke is on zone 25, and it trips, and then initiates an
alarm, when I hit code + Off, this should reset the smokes
automatically....or so I thought. I dont believe a reversing relay is
necessary.......?

Am I ASSuming wrong?

Thanks,
Eddie

"m..leuck" <m.l....@attbi.com> wrote in message
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[m..leuck]

"Eddie" <lva...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

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> I was under the impression that the Vista 20P reset the smokes uopn
entering
> your code + Off (If the zone was configured as a fire zone in
programming).
>
> If my 4 wire smoke is on zone 25, and it trips, and then initiates an
> alarm, when I hit code + Off, this should reset the smokes
> automatically....or so I thought. I dont believe a reversing relay is
> necessary.......?

Nope, while you do use code + off as the command without a relay it won't do
a thing, its not like the old Vista-10

>

[Eddie]

Hi,

You guys are correct....hooked it up last night, and no reset with code. Ah
well, live and learn.

Thanks for the help. Reversing relay, here we come.....

Eddie

"m..leuck" <m.l....@attbi.com> wrote in message

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[Gregg S.]

Eddie, the purpose of a two wire smoke detector is so that it can handle
power and data over two wires hence the code + off reset feature. Most
Ademco panels have one zone capable of handling this feature. The vista
10 has zone 5 as fire but you can only use 4 wire smokes BUT it knows if
a smoke has been triggered and upon code + off, it removes DC power from
the aux output which resets the smoke detector. No zone on an expander
has that capability. Also, I am almost positive, the Ademco vista 20P
will not allow you to program more than one fire zone? If your heart is
set on having more than one zone for your smoke detectors, you have to
get a polling loop panel such as the vista 40 and polling loop smoke
detectors which are two wire, but are addressable so this way each smoke
detector is its own zone.

[m..leuck]

"Gregg S." <gs...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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The Vista-20P can have any zone programmed as a fire zone, zone 1 is for
2-wire and everything else can be 4-wire but you will need a 4204 relay to
reset the 4-wire

>

[Eddie]

Thanks guys, I was under the wrong impression. I now have one two wire smoke
on zone 1 (Which works fine), and did the rest of the smokes with 4 wire
smokes. It's important to me to keep them all in seperate zones. Thanks for
your help, much appreciated.

Eddie

"m..leuck" <m.l....@attbi.com> wrote in message

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[Eddie]

Kevin:

Thanks for letting me know this.....I will be checking this out for myself.

If this is true, Ademco has a HUGE potential Liabilty problem.

If you guys here in ASA that are "in the know", hear of a fix for this
problem, or a recall, (If in fact it is a real problem for all of the 4219
zone expanders), I would appreciate an e-mail.

This is crazy, they should have an instant recall or something for the zone
expanders.

So the way I read your e-mail, this problem does NOT happen if all of your
smokes and CO's are wired to the main panel? What happens to your burgs if
they go into trouble first? Will they not go into alarm then?

Thanks again,

Eddie

"Kevin E." <pan...@mts.net> wrote in message
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> Sorry guys,
> I hope that you are not putting four wire smoke's on you 4219.
> I was hooking up a fire alarm trouble loop from a Co2 detector and noticed
> that if the Co2 went into trouble first and then alarm the 4219 would NOT
> recognize the alarm.
> Now we have to put all fire related equipment on the main board and burgs
on
> the zems.
> Ademco is aware of this problem.
>
> Kevin

>
>
> "Eddie" <lva...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

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[m..leuck]

What problem with the 4219? I've hooked up fire-related products to them
with no problems

"Eddie" <lva...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

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[Eddie]

According to Kevin, If a 4 wire smoke goes into trouble, then trips, the
4219 will not "see" the alarm. And he also claims Ademco "knows" about this
problem. If this is true, they have a really BIG problem on their hands.

I have not verified this, but will this weekend.

If this is true, it's going to be a major pain in the ass, lots of
re-programming to do, and shuffling around of a nice, neatly installed panel
with 3 zone expanders.

Eddie

"m..leuck" <m.l....@attbi.com> wrote in message

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