Ademco 216
Matthew Stanley
Ademco 215 2 wire digital arming stations which dont work. I have tested the
stations on another system in the apartment building and they work...
email me if you have any...
Thanks...
M
Roland Moore
or more. They worked on the Ademco 1023 and that is as old as the 215/216.
The 215/216 by themselves probably cost as much as a whole new panel and
keypad today. Maybe time to upgrade?
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Bob La Londe
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Sounds like a band-aid and scab customer. I hope they are paying you by the
hour at a good rate.
Matthew Stanley
hour. I dont know why people think its cheaper to upgrade. Nothing wrong
with what they have. It all works except this unit. I will replace these
with keyswitch arming stations. Thats cheaper then replaceing the entire
unit.
I would have to replace the panel, motions, bell, and rewire the unit so its
not all on one zone. Thats more then just 40.00 plus parts and an $80.00
service charge.
Why replace something that works just because its old?
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Just Looking
than one user combination. Integrated dialer instead of add on. Duress code
feature, bell test feature, chime feature and the list goes on and on. They
spend $120 bucks and it blows up next week? How's that a deal? Most guys in
the business today have probably never even seen one. It's just barely a
step up from a 342R.
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Crash Gordon
money in troubleshooting 37 windows on one zone.
dunno why one should be gun-shy about upgrading a customer.
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Crash Gordon
there was one on ebay that sold for a whopping 8 bucks.
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RockyTSquirrel
controlled the panel all 6 volt of course..
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Mark Leuck
> I am aware on how old this system is. Yes.... They are paying me by the
> hour. I dont know why people think its cheaper to upgrade. Nothing wrong
> with what they have. It all works except this unit. I will replace these
> with keyswitch arming stations. Thats cheaper then replaceing the entire
> unit.
>
> I would have to replace the panel, motions, bell, and rewire the unit so
its
> not all on one zone. Thats more then just 40.00 plus parts and an $80.00
> service charge.
>
> Why replace something that works just because its old?
alarman
> For me it would be the "rewire the unit so its not all on one zone"
> part
Really. Slap in even a Vista XX and be done with it. Jeez...
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Roland Moore
There was the 1023. A 6 volt system.
Then came the 1023-12. A 12 Volt system.
There was also the 1024, 1026, 1028.
The digital dialer was always an add on.
The 215 keypad had a single LED and a sounder. It used a twisted pair. Most
everything programmed by wire jumpers.
At that time you could get a Napco CCI-5 and slap in a Nel-Tech keypad. You
could use a Triton dialer or almost any slave dialer you wanted.
I wonder if we will laugh as hard in 20 years thinking back on what gets
installed today.
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Spudz
"alarman" <nos...@none.net> wrote in message
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>>> Why replace something that works just because its old?
>> For me it would be the "rewire the unit so its not all on one zone"
>> part
>
> Really. Slap in even a Vista XX and be done with it. Jeez...
NX4 's lite on the $ and with more than one keybus device u can double the
zones to 8. add alarm dot com and really jump into the future with
internet control of the system.
Matthew Stanley
can do it throw the price to them of what its going to cost. I cant make
them do it. so When I tell the customer its going to be $550.00 for a new
system, or I can repair what you have when a replacement part or change them
to a keystation, and its only only 120.00, IF they choose to keep what they
have then thats what I have to go by. Im not going to force a customer to
change something they have and risk loosing them. This customer has been a
good one. Always pays on time, nice to deal with, and even had me change
over the system they have in a business they own. so... I try to keep
everyone happy. I would rather a new system be installed so its easier to
trouble shoot, better reporting formats etc... but I cant force anyone to do
something they do not. It kinda sucks that I came on this group and just
asked for help and then I get a hard time about it. Im sure I am not the
only one here who runs an alarm business who have customers who will not let
go of their old shit to save their life... But again.... I dont care...
because they are going to pay for it in the long run when service calls
start taking longer to trouble shoot....
oh... btw.. I have a few of these types of alarm system.... I have a
customers with an Ademco Deluxe 1000 control, a 340R out there, a
Dictograph alarm and an Ademco 508 fire system with the old 6 volt smoke
detectors... (I hate that system)
I give my customers options and then they choose.. Sometimes they choose the
way I would not have picked...
M
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ssokoly
get rid of those customers... They are not worth the liability. Pouring
money into an antique is a waste of their time and your time. If they
are a great customer they will listen to your suggestions and spend the
money to do it right. IIRC you are the same guy, that was wanting to
foil a few weeks ago... Listen to some of the veterans here they have
been there done that. Guess what we all found out people who won't pay
to upgrade their security, are people who don't value their security.
Just Looking
Don't pay on time? Gone
Don't upgrade when necessary? Gone
Sure we have a few FA1000C, 1200C, Radionics 8112, and Napco 1008,1008e,
1016,1016e etc.
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Crash Gordon
a client but we feel that we cannot support this alarm system any longer.
After all it IS 32 years old and if you amortize what you have spent over
the years it's only cost you 20 bucks a year. Now it is time you seriously
considered remodeling this system"
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Jim
wrote:
> � � Anyone have an Ademco 216 laying around? I have a customer who has 2
I've got a few of them but I .... like you ..... have a dozen or so
customers out there that have some of these still installed, so
they're not for sale. I installed these systems 25 or more years ago
and they've been working all these years. Most of the people are
elderly and don't want to change, because from their point of view,
they don't want to have to learn how to use some new fangled alarm
keypad that does everything that they never wanted to do. They feel
comfortable with what they've got, and that's OK with me. As long as
nothing major goes wrong and/or I don't have the replacement part, I'm
willing to do low cost service calls for these people and try to keep
them happy. I keep their monitoring fee's low too. I know that if I
were to cancel their monitoring because they didn't want to upgrade
their equipment, some "lick and stick" alarm company would come in and
rip them off and force them to upgrade, and triple what I'm charging
them for monitoring and I'd just rather not do that to these old, long
time customers.
It's not all about what makes business sense, all the time.
Frank Olson
AWww... Ya big gahloot... You done brung a tear to ma eye. And here I
always took ya for a strictly business type, cold hearted old curmudgeon.
alarman
> I'm willing to do low cost service calls for these people and try to keep
> them happy. I keep their monitoring fee's low too. I know that if I
> were to cancel their monitoring because they didn't want to upgrade
> their equipment, some "lick and stick" alarm company would come in and
> rip them off and force them to upgrade, and triple what I'm charging
> them for monitoring and I'd just rather not do that to these old, long
> time customers.
>
> It's not all about what makes business sense, all the time.
Hmmmm...that sounds...well, Campbellesque.
<ducking>
Jim
Now THAT reeeeally hurts!
Jim
> > It's not all about what makes business sense, all the time.
>
> AWww... �Ya big gahloot... �You done brung a tear to ma eye. �And here I
>
Hey, as someone here once said ............
The customers can't be wrong .. ALL the time.