Napco p3200 2 wire fire
ban...@comcast.net
the 2-wire fire zone??????????? did they mean 130 ohm 3w. Right now I
have a fault in that zone but am using a 2.2K Eol
Terry
Robert L. Bass
Current Napco Gemini P3200 panels use a 2.2K-Ohm resistor at the end of
2-wire smoke detector zones. You have to connect 2-wire smokes in a
different manner from burglary sensors. They go on zone 7 or 8. Connect
the negative wire to the zone terminal (26 or 27) and the positive wire to
the + fire power (terminal 28). Place the JP7 jumper for the zone on the
lower two pins (marked "2WF") rather than the upper two pins (labeled
"BURG"). Finally, in the programming configure the zone for 2-wire fire.
If you skip any of the above procedures you'll get an alarm or trouble
condition. If you need help give me a call. I'm not really working today
(Christmas) but I'll be in my office Sunday morning after 10:00 am.
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
Frank Olson
news:XuSdnb7y99q...@comcast.com...
> I'm not really working today (Christmas) but I'll be in my office Sunday
> morning after 10:00 am.
You mean you'll "wander in" from the kitchen, a cold turkey leg clutched in
your hand, right?? :-))
Alarminex
<Use_the_em...@yoursecuritysource.com> writes:
>Subject: Re: Napco p3200 2 wire fire
>From: "Frank Olson" <Use_the_em...@yoursecuritysource.com>
>Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:53:47 GMT
Nah, she'll still be in bed.
>
>
Jim
(Email accepted only upon request.)
Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...
Robert L. Bass
>> be in my office Sunday morning after 10:00 am.
>
> You mean you'll "wander in" from the kitchen, a
> cold turkey leg clutched in your hand, right?? :-))
More likely a ham sandwich. I cooked for 18 people the other day. The
local Publix had only 9-10 pound hams and a few weighing 20 pounds or more.
I prepared a 21-pounder plus about a gallon and a half of mashed potatoes,
half a gallon of basil risotto and three pans of focaccia with herbs and
parmesan. Everyone else brought deserts, salads, chips and whatnot. There
are enough leftovers to feed a small army. :^)
Frank Olson
We're a lot more "traditional". Turkey, stuffing, sweet potatoes, broccoli,
carrots, a nice Dienhart Lila... Quiet dinner (no relatives)... Just the
five of us. And there's enough leftovers to feed a small army. Hey...
sounds familiar... :-))
On the serious side... You can still quench all the flames Robert.
Sheesh.. I look at all the years you've got here and wonder why you think
it's necessary to carry that flamethrower all the time. The benefits for
you if you ever "wake up and smell the coffee" are incredible. As much as
others here may deride your online efforts, your new website is far easier
to navigate than the old site.
Ignore the flames from the others. You're only hurting your own efforts by
responding in kind (or throwing "barbs" here and there). I don't put any
more stock in the "Goofy" website, but why give Mike more ammunition (or one
of your detractors the opportunity to post "Googles" of your more obnoxious
"contributions" to the Group)? There's a "new year" just around the corner.
Why not start it off right?
Frank Olson
news:20041225222520...@mb-m24.aol.com...
>
> Nah, she'll still be in bed.
*sigh*...
Robert L. Bass
> potatoes, broccoli, carrots, a nice Dienhart Lila...
I would have made turkey as well but my sister-in-law was having us over for
Christmas eve and my mother was already planning the main event for
Christmas day. My in-laws are from Brazil. Turkey (called "peru") and ham
("presunta") are standard fare there but there's a bit more garlic involved.
My mom's feast included all the standard American fare. My party was just a
pre-Christmas dinner.
What is Dienhart Lila? Some kind of wine?
> Quiet dinner (no relatives)... Just the five of us.
> And there's enough leftovers to feed a small
> army. Hey... sounds familiar... :-))
There's still about three pounds of ham in my fridge plus lots of brownies,
mashed and sweet potatoes, etc., from my mom's house. I'm going to bake
fish for tonight though.
> On the serious side... You can still quench all
> the flames Robert...
No chance of that. The IB won't ever stop and I don't care. You think you
can dictate who says what. Sorry, but that's not your prerogative.
> Sheesh.. I look at all the years you've got here
> and wonder why you think it's necessary to
> carry that flamethrower all the time...
Here we are in a thread about P3200 which has morphed into a discussion of
Christmas dinner and you start telling me I'm responsible for the flames in
this newsgroup. You were doing fine talking about food or P3200's. You
can't do what you're doing without coming across as condescending,
especially given the yers of flames you've spewed -- most times without
provocation. If you want to encourage civility, just post in a civil manner
for a while and say nothing about what anyone else does. You'll come across
as more sincere.
> As much as others here may deride your
> online efforts, your new website is far
> easier to navigate than the old site.
The "others" of whom you speak are about a half dozen nasty competitors
who've carried a grudge for years. They're not my customers and I've no
interest in trying to appease them.
> Ignore the flames from the others...
You ignore them.
> There's a "new year" just around the corner. Why not start it off right?
Physician, heal thyself.
Frank Olson
>> We're a lot more "traditional". Turkey, stuffing, sweet
>> potatoes, broccoli, carrots, a nice Dienhart Lila...
>
> I would have made turkey as well but my sister-in-law was having us over
> for Christmas eve and my mother was already planning the main event for
> Christmas day. My in-laws are from Brazil. Turkey (called "peru") and
> ham ("presunta") are standard fare there but there's a bit more garlic
> involved. My mom's feast included all the standard American fare. My
> party was just a pre-Christmas dinner.
>
> What is Dienhart Lila? Some kind of wine?
German sparkling. Very dry, good "nose", with a nice "finish".
>
>> Quiet dinner (no relatives)... Just the five of us.
>> And there's enough leftovers to feed a small
>> army. Hey... sounds familiar... :-))
>
> There's still about three pounds of ham in my fridge plus lots of
> brownies, mashed and sweet potatoes, etc., from my mom's house. I'm going
> to bake fish for tonight though.
Are the brownies home-made?? <Yum!>
>
>> On the serious side... You can still quench all
>> the flames Robert...
>
> No chance of that. The IB won't ever stop and I don't care. You think
> you can dictate who says what. Sorry, but that's not your prerogative.
I'm not trying to "dictate" anything. I'm merely pointing out that you can
do your bit to quenching the flames here. It seems to me that it's not
"your prerogative" to simply ignore the Group's FAQ either. Did you ever
look up the word "ethics"??
>
>> Sheesh.. I look at all the years you've got here
>> and wonder why you think it's necessary to
>> carry that flamethrower all the time...
>
> Here we are in a thread about P3200 which has morphed into a discussion of
> Christmas dinner and you start telling me I'm responsible for the flames
> in this newsgroup.
You have only to look at the last few weeks to see ample proof of who and
what kind of comments started the latest "flame fest".
> You were doing fine talking about food or P3200's.
Now who's "dictating"??
> You can't do what you're doing without coming across as condescending,
> especially given the yers of flames you've spewed -- most times without
> provocation.
Robert, I'm *not* going to get into another finger pointing session with
you.
> If you want to encourage civility, just post in a civil manner for a while
> and say nothing about what anyone else does.
Ummmm.... Who's "dictating" again??
> You'll come across as more sincere.
Hogwash. I've already stated I'm not going to contribute to the flames here
anymore. Granted it's only been a couple of weeks, but I *am* sincere about
that!
>
>> As much as others here may deride your
>> online efforts, your new website is far
>> easier to navigate than the old site.
>
> The "others" of whom you speak are about a half dozen nasty competitors
> who've carried a grudge for years.
There's only one "flaming competitor" you have in the Group and from what
I've seen of his online efforts, he "ain't no competition".
> They're not my customers and I've no interest in trying to appease them.
You did say you sell to a couple of Dealers didn't you??
>
>> Ignore the flames from the others...
>
> You ignore them.
*sigh*...
>
>> There's a "new year" just around the corner. Why not start it off right?
>
> Physician, heal thyself.
In case you haven't noticed... I already have...
Robert L. Bass
"Frank Olson" <Use_the_em...@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote in message
news:REFzd.572871$Pl.162065@pd7tw1no...
> "Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:daSdnUGOm4b...@comcast.com...
>>> We're a lot more "traditional". Turkey, stuffing, sweet
>>> potatoes, broccoli, carrots, a nice Dienhart Lila...
>>
>> I would have made turkey as well but my sister-in-law was having us over
>> for Christmas eve and my mother was already planning the main event for
>> Christmas day. My in-laws are from Brazil. Turkey (called "peru") and
>> ham ("presunta") are standard fare there but there's a bit more garlic
>> involved. My mom's feast included all the standard American fare. My
>> party was just a pre-Christmas dinner.
>>
>> What is Dienhart Lila? Some kind of wine?
>
> German sparkling. Very dry, good "nose", with a nice "finish".
Oh. I'm not much of a wine kind-o-sewer. :^)
>>> Quiet dinner (no relatives)... Just the five of us.
>>> And there's enough leftovers to feed a small
>>> army. Hey... sounds familiar... :-))
>>
>> There's still about three pounds of ham in my fridge plus lots of
>> brownies, mashed and sweet potatoes, etc., from my mom's house. I'm
>> going to bake fish for tonight though.
>
> Are the brownies home-made?? <Yum!>
Yep and hers are to die for.
>>> On the serious side... You can still quench all
>>> the flames Robert...
>>
>> No chance of that. The IB won't ever stop
>> and I don't care. You think you can dictate
>> who says what. Sorry, but that's not your
>> prerogative.
>
> I'm not trying to "dictate" anything.
Good. If you want to talk tech I'm always interested. If you want to be
sociable, that's fine too.
> I'm merely pointing out that you can...
I'll decide what, if anything I'm willing to do regarding the IB.
> do your bit to quenching the flames here.
> It seems to me that it's not "your prerogative"
> to simply ignore the Group's FAQ either...
Virtually no one, including you gives more than lip service to the FAQ. For
that matter, the "FAQ" was never ratified by anyone. It carries no more
weight than a Jiminex post.
> Did you ever look up the word "ethics"??
Do you actually believe that comments like that are going to inspire better
relations?
> You have only to look at the last few weeks...
Look at the last few years. The vast majority of the abuse has always come
from the same few malcontents -- Jiminex, Sabodish, Morgan, Mugford, etc.
>> You were doing fine talking about food or P3200's.
>
> Now who's "dictating"??
I didn't tell you what to say... only pointed out that as soon as you start
playing net cop the conversation goes off the deep end. Act nice and you'll
be treated that way. Make snide remarks and you get the same.
> Robert, I'm *not* going to get into another
> finger pointing session with you.
It'd be more realistic if you said that without pointing so much.
>> You'll come across as more sincere.
>
> Hogwash.
If you insist.
> I've already stated I'm not going to contribute
> to the flames here anymore. Granted it's only
> been a couple of weeks, but I *am* sincere about that!
You've got several years of posting abuse. It's been about a week since you
_declared_ an end to posting abuse but you're still posting accusations.
> There's only one "flaming competitor" you
> have in the Group and from what I've seen
> of his online efforts, he "ain't no competition".
The people who post most of the filth are people who tried unsuccessfully
years ago to keep me from contributing here. They've tried to make this
newsgroup their private sandbox. Most of the people who objected (hundreds
to date) they've run off. I'm a bit more persistent though. :)
>> They're not my customers and I've no interest
>> in trying to appease them.
>
> You did say you sell to a couple of Dealers didn't you??
Yup. That does not include Jiminex, Morgan, Mugford or the other characters
who post most of the trash here.
>>> There's a "new year" just around the corner.
>>> Why not start it off right?
>>
>> Physician, heal thyself.
>
> In case you haven't noticed... I already have...
I've noticed you *saying* you're different. You've cut out the outright
attacks but you're still coming across in the same old, condescending tone.
Group Moderator
Date: 12/25/2004 10:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <DpWdnXCXBd4...@comcast.com>
>> I'm not really working today (Christmas) but I'll
>> be in my office Sunday morning after 10:00 am.
>
> You mean you'll "wander in" from the kitchen, a
> cold turkey leg clutched in your hand, right?? :-))
More likely a ham sandwich.
Mike Said:
Hmmm, I thought Jews don' eat ham.
Goofy Goes On:
I cooked for 18 people the other day.
Mike Said:
How many lived?
Goofy goes on:
The local Publix had only 9-10 pound hams and a few weighing 20 pounds or more.
I prepared a 21-pounder plus about a gallon and a half of mashed potatoes,
half a gallon of basil risotto and three pans of focaccia with herbs and
parmesan. Everyone else brought hash and cocaine.
Mike Said:
I would EXPORT the Brazilian street walking Bitch and her tribe before you go
bankrupt just feeding them. Just think Clueless had to eat fish heads and
crackers when you used her for a punching bag, Rocky. Now you feed strangers.
Mike, Sr.
33 Years in the trade
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Group Moderator
Date: 12/26/2004 3:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <6%uzd.588351$nl.497791@pd7tw3no>
Mike Said:
STOP, STOP, Frankie Boy, you are bringing tears to my eyes and my cock is
getting hard while the violins are playing.
Group Moderator
Message-id: <daSdnUGOm4b...@comcast.com>
I would have made turkey as well but.
Mike said:
The credit card was full.
Goofy Goes On:
My sister-in-law and the person that I call mother, eats a ton of food.
Goofy Goes On:
There's still about three pounds of ham in my fridge.
Mike Said:
Proud Dam Jew there eh'. Do you wash the ham down with a big glass of milk?
Goofy Goes On:
Plus lots of brownies, mashed and sweet potatoes, etc
Mike Said:
Row House likes those. - He will trade for manual time. Never mind you stole
his whole site already.
Frankie Boy Olsen Tells Goofy Bass:
> On the serious side... You can still quench all
> the flames Robert...
Goofy Answers:
No chance of that. The IB won't ever stop and I don't care. You think you
can dictate who says what. Sorry, but that's not your prerogative.
Mike said:
Olsen is wining the Ass Kissing Contest. Frankie boy say three Hail Bass's -
two Our Bass's and one I love ASA now that I grew up a tad.
Group Moderator
Date: 12/26/2004 4:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: REFzd.572871$Pl.162065@pd7tw1no
Very dry, good "nose", with a nice "finish".
Mike Said:
Are you describing Leuck's ass again?
Frankie Boy asks:
Are the brownies home-made?? <Yum!>
Mike said:
Right out the old poop tube. Real mushy, just like you like you fudge.
Hogwash. I've already stated I'm not going to contribute to the flames here
anymore. Granted it's only been a couple of weeks, but I *am* sincere about
that!
Alarminex
<rober...@comcast.net> writes:
>Subject: Re: Napco p3200 2 wire fire
>From: "Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net>
>Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:35:18 -0500
>
>> On the serious side... You can still quench all
>> the flames Robert...
>
>No chance of that. The IB won't ever stop and I don't care. You think you
>can dictate who says what. Sorry, but that's not your prerogative.
>
And *you* can't dictate what YOU'RE going to do here either. Why is it alright
for a fat arrogant bastard like you to dictate what YOU do here but it's not
alright for anyone ELSE to do it? Peace here to you is everyone else ignoring
what you do to this group but you continue causing turmoil.
WELL FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU FAT ASS.
Only because you're a hypocritcal pompous bastard?
Alarminex
<rober...@comcast.net> writes:
>Subject: Re: Napco p3200 2 wire fire
>From: "Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net>
>Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:31:55 -0500
Or a snack for you ...........
Alarminex
<rober...@comcast.net> writes:
>I'll decide what, if anything I'm willing to do regarding the IB.
>
>> do your bit to quenching the flames here.
>> It seems to me that it's not "your prerogative"
>> to simply ignore the Group's FAQ either...
>
>Virtually no one, including you gives more than lip service to the FAQ. For
>that matter, the "FAQ" was never ratified by anyone. It carries no more
>weight than a Jiminex post.
It certainly doesn't carry as much weight as you FAT FUCK
However it does exist and it WAS you who refused to comply with the FAQ years
ago that started all of this. You STILL refuse to stop using this group as YOUR
little sand box.
>
>> Did you ever look up the word "ethics"??
>
>Do you actually believe that comments like that are going to inspire better
>relations?
Absolutely not because you would never understand the meaning of the word even
if it were tattooed backwards on your forehead.
>
>> You have only to look at the last few weeks...
>
>Look at the last few years. The vast majority of the abuse has always come
>from the same few malcontents -- Jiminex, Sabodish, Morgan, Mugford, etc.
LOOK at what YOU cause when you're here. LOOK at it you fat arrogant ignorant
fuck! YOU cause what's going on here and you have for years.
>
>>> You were doing fine talking about food or P3200's.
>>
>> Now who's "dictating"??
>
>I didn't tell you what to say... only pointed out that as soon as you start
>playing net cop the conversation goes off the deep end. Act nice and you'll
>be treated that way. Make snide remarks and you get the same.
>
>> Robert, I'm *not* going to get into another
>> finger pointing session with you.
>
>It'd be more realistic if you said that without pointing so much.
>
>>> You'll come across as more sincere.
>>
>> Hogwash.
>
>If you insist.
>
>> I've already stated I'm not going to contribute
>> to the flames here anymore. Granted it's only
>> been a couple of weeks, but I *am* sincere about that!
>
>You've got several years of posting abuse. It's been about a week since you
>_declared_ an end to posting abuse but you're still posting accusations.
And you're not. You're a fucking hypocrtie lying fuck.
>
>> There's only one "flaming competitor" you
>> have in the Group and from what I've seen
>> of his online efforts, he "ain't no competition".
>
>The people who post most of the filth are people who tried unsuccessfully
>years ago to keep me from contributing here. They've tried to make this
>newsgroup their private sandbox. Most of the people who objected (hundreds
>to date) they've run off.
You are such a delusional arrogant bastard.
I'm a bit more persistent though. :)
YOU DON'T KNOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD ........ PERSISTENT!
Except when you gorge your self with food.
>
>>> They're not my customers and I've no interest
>>> in trying to appease them.
>>
>> You did say you sell to a couple of Dealers didn't you??
>
>Yup. That does not include Jiminex, Morgan, Mugford or the other characters
>who post most of the trash here.
And YOU DON'T? Another lie eh FAT FUCK?
>
>>>> There's a "new year" just around the corner.
>>>> Why not start it off right?
>>>
>>> Physician, heal thyself.
>>
>> In case you haven't noticed... I already have...
>
>I've noticed you *saying* you're different. You've cut out the outright
>attacks but you're still coming across in the same old, condescending tone.
No other way to talk to a prick like you.
Frank Olson
>>> I would have made turkey as well but my sister-in-law was having us over
>>> for Christmas eve and my mother was already planning the main event for
>>> Christmas day. My in-laws are from Brazil. Turkey (called "peru") and
>>> ham ("presunta") are standard fare there but there's a bit more garlic
>>> involved. My mom's feast included all the standard American fare. My
>>> party was just a pre-Christmas dinner.
>>>
>>> What is Dienhart Lila? Some kind of wine?
>>
>> German sparkling. Very dry, good "nose", with a nice "finish".
>
> Oh. I'm not much of a wine kind-o-sewer. :^)
Hmmm... Came across a nice Brazilian "Merlot" the other day (that was the
first time I'd seen a Brazilian wine in the store)... Usually you see a lot
of wine from Chile and Argentina at the Governement Liquor Stores...
>
>>>> Quiet dinner (no relatives)... Just the five of us.
>>>> And there's enough leftovers to feed a small
>>>> army. Hey... sounds familiar... :-))
>>>
>>> There's still about three pounds of ham in my fridge plus lots of
>>> brownies, mashed and sweet potatoes, etc., from my mom's house. I'm
>>> going to bake fish for tonight though.
>>
>> Are the brownies home-made?? <Yum!>
>
> Yep and hers are to die for.
So were my mum-in-law's.
>
>>>> On the serious side... You can still quench all
>>>> the flames Robert...
>>>
>>> No chance of that. The IB won't ever stop
>>> and I don't care. You think you can dictate
>>> who says what. Sorry, but that's not your
>>> prerogative.
>>
>> I'm not trying to "dictate" anything.
>
> Good. If you want to talk tech I'm always interested. If you want to be
> sociable, that's fine too.
Robert. Please take a few minutes to look over what I've said and some of
the posts that appeared here during your last extended absence. You're
always the one that says you're "attacked without provocation". You can't
tell me that you've forgotten what started this latest round? Do you want
me to post it??
>
>> I'm merely pointing out that you can...
>
> I'll decide what, if anything I'm willing to do regarding the IB.
That's my point exactly. Your decision with how to "deal with them" always
throws the Group into further turmoil. Your "giving as good as you get"
isn't going to solve anything. I came to realize that fanning the flames
(or even responding to them) isn't going to accomplish anything but keep the
Group a "cesspool" (your word). All I'm asking is that you remember to read
that "post-it" note you said you once had on your monitor *before* pushing
"send".
>
>> do your bit to quenching the flames here.
>> It seems to me that it's not "your prerogative"
>> to simply ignore the Group's FAQ either...
>
> Virtually no one, including you gives more than lip service to the FAQ.
Aux contraire. Several of your competitors do respect it. Jim R., RHC
(when he actually sold online), Bob L. In the latest round of flames, your
posts were directly responsible for kindling them.
> For that matter, the "FAQ" was never ratified by anyone. It carries no
> more weight than a Jiminex post.
It may not have been "ratified", but it certainly existed very shortly after
the Group's inception. What in the FAQ do you specifically object to??
>
>> Did you ever look up the word "ethics"??
>
> Do you actually believe that comments like that are going to inspire
> better relations?
It is a legitimate question. Granted I used to hammer you with it (in the
past), but in this instance it certainly wasn't intended as anything more
than a freindly "nudge".
>
>> You have only to look at the last few weeks...
>
> Look at the last few years. The vast majority of the abuse has always
> come from the same few malcontents -- Jiminex, Sabodish, Morgan, Mugford,
> etc.
But largely in response to things *you* say. You frequently state you never
"instigate" (or provoke) anything. What is it that made Graham turn against
you exactly? What made me?? Are all the Google archives wrong??
>
>>> You were doing fine talking about food or P3200's.
>>
>> Now who's "dictating"??
>
> I didn't tell you what to say... only pointed out that as soon as you
> start playing net cop the conversation goes off the deep end.
That's because deep down you know I'm right... :-))
I'm no "net cop", Robert. I did enjoy the way the Group interacted in your
absence though. I'd like nothing more than for it to return to that (with
you as a valued contributor). *You* stand to benefit immeasurably if it
does. What's it gonna take to show you??
> Act nice and you'll be treated that way. Make snide remarks and you get
> the same.
>
>> Robert, I'm *not* going to get into another
>> finger pointing session with you.
>
> It'd be more realistic if you said that without pointing so much.
I wasn't pointing at you, honest!!! It was that other guy over there...
:-))
>
>>> You'll come across as more sincere.
>>
>> Hogwash.
>
> If you insist.
It's been awhile since I washed one. I may have forgotton how exactly.
>
>> I've already stated I'm not going to contribute
>> to the flames here anymore. Granted it's only
>> been a couple of weeks, but I *am* sincere about that!
>
> You've got several years of posting abuse.
I don't deny that. And you've got several years of spewing lies and
unsubstantiated remarks about me. What's the deal here?? There is none!!
I've imposed no conditions on you. I simply won't contribute to the
bullshit here any more regardless of what you (or anyone else) says (or
posts).
> It's been about a week since you _declared_ an end to posting abuse but
> you're still posting accusations.
I'm not "accusing" anyone of anything, Robert (that isn't readily provable
through a Google search). I'm simply pointing out that *you* are always at
the center of any contraversy here. Your attitude's gotta change before
this Group can move forward.
>
>> There's only one "flaming competitor" you
>> have in the Group and from what I've seen
>> of his online efforts, he "ain't no competition".
>
> The people who post most of the filth are people who tried unsuccessfully
> years ago to keep me from contributing here.
No one's been trying to prevent you from contributing here, Robert. They've
mostly been objecting to your using the Group as your own personal tech
forum, blatantly marketing your goods and services, and deriding the
installation profession to boot. You don't actively market your services in
CHA. Why should this be any different??
> They've tried to make this newsgroup their private sandbox.
Read the preamble to the FAQ again, Robert. This isn't a "private sandbox".
No one's got anything against DIY (on several occasions I do wish people
would have read their manuals first though, before they start posting stupid
questions). No one expects you to don the cape and goggles to "leap into
the fray to save the day", either...
> Most of the people who objected (hundreds to date) they've run off. I'm a
> bit more persistent though. :)
You see the world as you want to see it, not as others do. There's seven
(almost eight) years of "history" in USENET that says you're always at the
center of contraversy. Why is that?? Does "Google" lie?? Open your eyes,
Robert. I have, and I didn't like what I found myself doing here. I'm not
asking for an apology for all the things you've said about me. I'm not
asking you for forgiveness either. There's just too much "water under the
bridge" for that. I am asking you to look through the last several weeks of
postings in this Newsgroup. I didn't "start" anything with you. I never
posted a single derogatory comment about you during your absence (in this or
any other Newsgroup). Jim (Alarminex) and Graham didn't either (except for
the response to Tom's "Pinky" post) and that certainly didn't start a long
thread of invective.
>
>>> They're not my customers and I've no interest
>>> in trying to appease them.
>>
>> You did say you sell to a couple of Dealers didn't you??
>
> Yup. That does not include Jiminex, Morgan, Mugford or the other
> characters who post most of the trash here.
Uh-huh... You forgot to include yourself in that group. You've been
posting a lot of "trash" here as well (evening munging my personal email
addy and doing everything in your power to "provoke" a response).
>
>>>> There's a "new year" just around the corner.
>>>> Why not start it off right?
>>>
>>> Physician, heal thyself.
>>
>> In case you haven't noticed... I already have...
>
> I've noticed you *saying* you're different. You've cut out the outright
> attacks but you're still coming across in the same old, condescending
> tone.
If I sound "condescending", I don't mean to. A lot of times it's difficult
to convey information in a format such as this without someone interpreting
it one way or another. It's kind of like that new book "Eats, Shoots and
Leaves"... If you get a chance to read it, do!!
Robert L. Bass
> the other day (that was the first time I'd seen a
> Brazilian wine in the store)...
Several years ago a friend of a friend gave me a bottle of Brazilian wine as
a gift. He said at the time that there were very few importers brining
Brazilian wine into the US. I don't recall why. I tried it. It wasn't bad
but it also wasn't great.
> Usually you see a lot of wine from Chile and
> Argentina at the Governement Liquor Stores...
We don't have government liquor stores in Florida. IIRC, New Hampshire does
that. I don't know if any other states do.
>> Good. If you want to talk tech I'm always
>> interested. If you want to be sociable, that's
>> fine too.
>
> Robert. Please take a few minutes to look
> over what I've said and some of the posts
> that appeared here during your last extended
> absence...
Not interested. Read the crap that the IB have been inserting into this
thread and talk to them.
> You're always the one that says you're
> "attacked without provocation". You can't tell me that you've forgotten
> what started
> this latest round? Do you want me to post
> it??
You act as though one post occurs within a vacuum. There has been a
continuum of potty-mouth garbage from Jiminex, Cracker and the MM for years.
Don't try to tell me that a couple of wise cracks on my part is the cause of
their idiocy. These twits were jerks long before I came along.
Besides, it's only been a few days since you were pulling the same crap.
Just because you decided to play nice a few days ago after several years of
acting like a two-faced jerk that doesn't entitle you to take the post of
Miss Manners. Anyway, you don't want that nick because the initials are
already taken.
>>> I'm merely pointing out that you can...
>>
>> I'll decide what, if anything I'm willing to do regarding the IB.
>
> That's my point exactly. Your decision with how
> to "deal with them" always throws the Group into
> further turmoil.
They post rude replies to everyone who comes here looking for information.
Talk to someone else about netiquette. Maybe I'll listen to you after
you've spent a few months proving you're sincere about behaving like an
adult.
> Your "giving as good as you get" isn't going
> to solve anything. I came to realize that
> fanning the flames (or even responding to
> them) isn't going to accomplish anything
> but keep the Group a "cesspool" (your word).
It's only a cesspool because of the filth that Jiminex, Cracker and the MM
post.
> All I'm asking...
Ask someone else.
>> Virtually no one, including you gives more
>> than lip service to the FAQ.
>
> Aux contraire. Several of your competitors
> do respect it...
Jim Rojas regularly posts advertising here. I don't mind since he's a good
guy. RHC is a friend of mine. You don't need to tell me about him. He
comports himself properly but when pushed enough he also tends to ...er,
speak his mind.
>> For that matter, the "FAQ" was never ratified
>> by anyone. It carries no more weight than a
>> Jiminex post.
>
> It may not have been "ratified", but it certainly
> existed very shortly after the Group's inception.
Nope. That's not correct. I was here when Steve wrote it up. That was
quite some time after the "newgroup" posts were entered. Regardless, it
carries no authority.
> What in the FAQ do you specifically object to??
It makes no difference. The "FAQ" you keep referring to is just a post that
someone wrote. It had some nice ideas and some useless ones. It also
contained a whole lot of stuff about enforcing its precepts, but the author
was dreaming. Neither he nor anyone else who posts to an unmoderated ALT
newsgroup has any authority over what others post. If they did, Jiminex,
MM, Morgan and a few others would have been banned years ago. For that
matter, so would you and I.
>>> Did you ever look up the word "ethics"??
>>
>> Do you actually believe that comments like
>> that are going to inspire better relations?
>
> It is a legitimate question...
It was invective.
> Granted I used to hammer you with it (in the past), but in this instance
> it certainly wasn't
> intended as anything more than a freindly
> "nudge".
You've used all kinds of things to try to "hammer" me. That includes tons
of rather offensive, personal flames that had nothing to do with the subject
of this newsgroup. You've also persued me to other newsgroups with the sole
purpose of trying to harass. We're not old pals. You don't have my
permission to make "friendly" nudges. Nudge me in person and you'd have
been straight-armed into a wall. Do it in print and you get smacked
verbally. There's way too much water under the bridge between us for you to
take any liberties at all. Act like a neighbor instead of a jerk for a few
months and that may change. Meanwhile, keep your nudges to yourself.
>>> You have only to look at the last few weeks...
>>
>> Look at the last few years. The vast majority
>> of the abuse has always come from the same
>> few malcontents -- Jiminex, Sabodish, Morgan,
>> Mugford, etc.
>
> But largely in response to things *you* say.
Bullshit! I post a note to one of the others saying I have a client who
wants his services and the jackass from the ECLB accuses me of conspiracy to
violate an imaginary statute. The other idiots chime in like a bunch of
unfed hens. Don't tell me about provocation.
> ...What is it that made Graham turn against you
> exactly?
He thought he could score points with the IB. It back-fired though. He
lost me as a friend and they still think he's a moron.
> What made me??
Pretty much the same thing. You came into the newsgroup, started telling
everyone how to act and got summarily rejected for it. You tried for a
while, then realised I was on the minority side and hopped on the IB's
bandwagon for the next several years. Several others (some of whom are
still around) made the identical assessment of you. Are they all wrong
about you, too?
Now all of a sudden you say you've jumped ship -- you're going to behave
yourself and stop posting unprovoked abuse. Good for you. Pardon me if I'm
just a tad skeptical of your motives for now.
> That's because deep down you know I'm right... :-))
No, Olson. It's because deep down I doubt your sincerity. I tried to make
peace with you once before and you just continued attacking me. I
discovered there was a rock hidden in your white flag.
> What's it gonna take to show you??...
You've just hit the nail on the head. "Show" me by your own actions -- not
for two or three days but for a month or more -- that you seriously want to
change the way you behave in the newsgroup. That doesn't mean just ASA
either. You've offended a lot of people in the other newsgroups where I
participate. You've been repeatedly told to #### off be a lot of folks
because of your unprovoked personal attacks on me. If you want to show me
something, show me that you mean business for a while. Then maybe you can
earn the right to "nudge" or whatever.
>> You've got several years of posting abuse.
>
> I don't deny that. And you've got several years
> of spewing lies and unsubstantiated remarks
> about me...
Prove one lie. Prove you flew a 737 upside down at 5000 AGL and lived to
tell of it. Heck, just prove that Boeing lent you an airliner and I'll eat
my hat (that would be quite a feat, by the way; it's leather). If you
really want to impress me with your sincerity, admit the 737 story was total
bullshit. You were trying to play one-upmanship and it backfired. Admit
it, apologize for the lie and move on. You'll get respect for finally being
honest about it.
> What's the deal here?? There is none!!
> I've imposed no conditions on you.
You're in no position to do so anyway. So far you've made a promise to
behave yourself. That's a step in the right direction but you have gone a
long way off track and it's going to take a lot of steps in the right
direction before I will accept any kind of admonishment from you.
>> It's been about a week since you _declared_
>> an end to posting abuse but you're still
>> posting accusations.
>
> I'm not "accusing" anyone of anything, Robert
> (that isn't readily provable through a Google
> search)...
Very nice slam. End of discussion. If you want to play nice go ahead. Do
so consistently for a while and we can discuss things more. Until then...
Norm Mugford
"Look at the last few years. The vast majority of the abuse has always come
from the same few malcontents -- Jiminex, Sabodish, Morgan, Mugford, etc."
I feel so proud to be part of "the List". And everyone on the list was
instigated by you Mr. Bass. Look in a mirror...it's ugly, but it's you.
It's just a reflection of yourself.
Are you pissed because you got caught selling monitoring in Florida
without a license Mr. Bass? Now you have to hide like a criminal!
Whoops, that's right you are a criminal, a felon to be exact.
Are your customers going to ligitimate alarm companies now?
Losing business Mr. Bass? The trash you dump on this newsgroup
effecting your bottom line, Mr. Bass?
What goes around, comes around.........
Norm Mugford
Frank Olson
>> Hmmm... Came across a nice Brazilian "Merlot"
>> the other day (that was the first time I'd seen a
>> Brazilian wine in the store)...
>
> Several years ago a friend of a friend gave me a bottle of Brazilian wine
> as a gift. He said at the time that there were very few importers brining
> Brazilian wine into the US. I don't recall why. I tried it. It wasn't
> bad but it also wasn't great.
It wasn't as nice as some of the Chilean wines I've tried, but it did have a
nice finish (not acidic). I'm sticking to the French ones though.
>
>> Usually you see a lot of wine from Chile and
>> Argentina at the Governement Liquor Stores...
>
> We don't have government liquor stores in Florida. IIRC, New Hampshire
> does that. I don't know if any other states do.
I know. You've got it nice down there... Here it's heavily regulated (and
taxed).
>
>>> Good. If you want to talk tech I'm always
>>> interested. If you want to be sociable, that's
>>> fine too.
>>
>> Robert. Please take a few minutes to look
>> over what I've said and some of the posts
>> that appeared here during your last extended
>> absence...
>
> Not interested. Read the crap that the IB have been inserting into this
> thread and talk to them.
I've read what they've said. I've read what you said. I decided to ignore
what you said (the flames) in favour of peace. You can do the same. If you
stop, they'll stop. Constantly referring to certain individuals with the
rather colourful nicks you've given them isn't going to help matters. You
*say* I have no right to ask you to do anything because of my own past
behaviour, yet you "ask" things of me (later in your post). I'm stopping
the flames because it's not how I am IRL. I'm sure it's not how you are
either.
>
>> You're always the one that says you're
>> "attacked without provocation". You can't tell me that you've forgotten
>> what started
>> this latest round? Do you want me to post
>> it??
>
> You act as though one post occurs within a vacuum. There has been a
> continuum of potty-mouth garbage from Jiminex, Cracker and the MM for
> years.
All in response to things you've said and done. C'mon Robert... You said
it yourself. This isn't a "vacuum".
> Don't try to tell me that a couple of wise cracks on my part is the cause
> of their idiocy. These twits were jerks long before I came along.
It's more than just a few "wise cracks" on your part. To categorize your
behaviour in USENET over the last seven or eight years as simply "wise
cracks" is one of your more ridiculous assertions.
>
> Besides, it's only been a few days since you were pulling the same crap.
Yes, but in response to things you said about me. I hadn't made one
derogatory post (against you) the entire time of your absence.
> Just because you decided to play nice a few days ago after several years
> of acting like a two-faced jerk that doesn't entitle you to take the post
> of Miss Manners. Anyway, you don't want that nick because the initials
> are already taken.
I don't give a fig whether-or-not you decide not to flame me in the future.
I've decided I ain't gonna reciprocate regardless of what it is you decide
to do.
>
>>>> I'm merely pointing out that you can...
>>>
>>> I'll decide what, if anything I'm willing to do regarding the IB.
>>
>> That's my point exactly. Your decision with how
>> to "deal with them" always throws the Group into
>> further turmoil.
>
> They post rude replies to everyone who comes here looking for information.
Not true.
> Talk to someone else about netiquette.
They're all "big boys".
> Maybe I'll listen to you after you've spent a few months proving you're
> sincere about behaving like an adult.
Now it's up to "months" is it?? I quite frankly don't care what you decide
to do. You won't see me flaming you anymore.
>
>> Your "giving as good as you get" isn't going
>> to solve anything. I came to realize that
>> fanning the flames (or even responding to
>> them) isn't going to accomplish anything
>> but keep the Group a "cesspool" (your word).
>
> It's only a cesspool because of the filth that Jiminex, Cracker and the MM
> post.
And you...
>
>> All I'm asking...
>
> Ask someone else.
As if that's going to get me any further...
>
>>> Virtually no one, including you gives more
>>> than lip service to the FAQ.
>>
>> Aux contraire. Several of your competitors
>> do respect it...
>
> Jim Rojas regularly posts advertising here.
Yes... but it's not directed at end-users. It's directed at *dealers* and
falls well within the established guidelines. He also rarely discusses
pricing.
> I don't mind since he's a good guy.
"Big" of you...
> RHC is a friend of mine. You don't need to tell me about him. He
> comports himself properly but when pushed enough he also tends to ...er,
> speak his mind.
You'll notice he doesn't garner the same animosity though.
>
>>> For that matter, the "FAQ" was never ratified
>>> by anyone. It carries no more weight than a
>>> Jiminex post.
>>
>> It may not have been "ratified", but it certainly
>> existed very shortly after the Group's inception.
>
> Nope. That's not correct. I was here when Steve wrote it up. That was
> quite some time after the "newgroup" posts were entered. Regardless, it
> carries no authority.
It does with me... It's difficult to maintain a civil demeanor when someone
you don't know attacks your reputation with lies and innuendo. I can
understand why you'd find it difficult to stop as well. You view it as
"surrendering". I don't see it that way. Your actions (positive or
negative) will have powerful ramifications in this and other Newsgroups in
which you participate. Think about that.
>
>> What in the FAQ do you specifically object to??
>
> It makes no difference. The "FAQ" you keep referring to is just a post
> that someone wrote. It had some nice ideas and some useless ones. It
> also contained a whole lot of stuff about enforcing its precepts, but the
> author was dreaming. Neither he nor anyone else who posts to an
> unmoderated ALT newsgroup has any authority over what others post. If
> they did, Jiminex, MM, Morgan and a few others would have been banned
> years ago. For that matter, so would you and I.
I'm not gonna point fingers. It serves no purpose.
>
>>>> Did you ever look up the word "ethics"??
>>>
>>> Do you actually believe that comments like
>>> that are going to inspire better relations?
>>
>> It is a legitimate question...
>
> It was invective.
Uh-huh.... sure...
>
>> Granted I used to hammer you with it (in the past), but in this instance
>> it certainly wasn't
>> intended as anything more than a freindly
>> "nudge".
>
> You've used all kinds of things to try to "hammer" me. That includes tons
> of rather offensive, personal flames that had nothing to do with the
> subject of this newsgroup.
It had everything to do with the lies you were stating about me. I have
every right to defend myself. If you choose to continue spewing the same
nonsense, then I also have every right to ask you to *prove* what you say.
Case in point: My "working" behind a counter.
> You've also persued me to other newsgroups with the sole purpose of trying
> to harass.
I've only posted in other groups in response to things *you've* said. I
asked you a civil question the first time I posted in CHA and you responded
how?? Do you even remember?? What "dragged" me into the recumbent group??
Do you even remember??
> We're not old pals.
Nope.
> You don't have my permission to make "friendly" nudges. Nudge me in
> person and you'd have been straight-armed into a wall.
Sure...
> Do it in print and you get smacked verbally.
Uh-huh...
> There's way too much water under the bridge between us for you to take any
> liberties at all. Act like a neighbor instead of a jerk for a few months
> and that may change. Meanwhile, keep your nudges to yourself.
"Touchy", ain't we??
>
>>>> You have only to look at the last few weeks...
>>>
>>> Look at the last few years. The vast majority
>>> of the abuse has always come from the same
>>> few malcontents -- Jiminex, Sabodish, Morgan,
>>> Mugford, etc.
>>
>> But largely in response to things *you* say.
>
> Bullshit! I post a note to one of the others saying I have a client who
> wants his services and the jackass from the ECLB accuses me of conspiracy
> to violate an imaginary statute. The other idiots chime in like a bunch
> of unfed hens. Don't tell me about provocation.
Yes... true... but you've missed the point again... What did you post in
other threads?? Your behaviour hasn't exactly been "squeaky" since your
return, has it?? And it continues to be less than "exemplary", doesn't it?
>
>> ...What is it that made Graham turn against you
>> exactly?
>
> He thought he could score points with the IB. It back-fired though. He
> lost me as a friend and they still think he's a moron.
Nope. Wrong. It was something *you* said about installers...
>
>> What made me??
>
> Pretty much the same thing.
Check... Something *you* said about installers in general.
> You came into the newsgroup, started telling everyone how to act and got
> summarily rejected for it.
Nope. Not everyone "rejected" me. Only one individual made it plain he
didn't like me "defending" you. We both know who that is.
> You tried for a while, then realised I was on the minority side and hopped
> on the IB's bandwagon for the next several years.
Heh.... You've got an interesting view of things, don'tcha??
> Several others (some of whom are still around) made the identical
> assessment of you. Are they all wrong about you, too?
Who??
>
> Now all of a sudden you say you've jumped ship -- you're going to behave
> yourself and stop posting unprovoked abuse. Good for you. Pardon me if
> I'm just a tad skeptical of your motives for now.
You've got a right to be.
>
>> That's because deep down you know I'm right... :-))
>
> No, Olson. It's because deep down I doubt your sincerity. I tried to
> make peace with you once before and you just continued attacking me. I
> discovered there was a rock hidden in your white flag.
Uh-huh... And shall we "review" that last overture?? What is it you wanted
me to do??
>
>> What's it gonna take to show you??...
>
> You've just hit the nail on the head. "Show" me by your own actions --
> not for two or three days but for a month or more -- that you seriously
> want to change the way you behave in the newsgroup. That doesn't mean
> just ASA either. You've offended a lot of people in the other newsgroups
> where I participate. You've been repeatedly told to #### off be a lot of
> folks because of your unprovoked personal attacks on me. If you want to
> show me something, show me that you mean business for a while. Then maybe
> you can earn the right to "nudge" or whatever.
*sigh*...
>
>>> You've got several years of posting abuse.
>>
>> I don't deny that. And you've got several years
>> of spewing lies and unsubstantiated remarks
>> about me...
>
> Prove one lie. Prove you flew a 737 upside down at 5000 AGL and lived to
> tell of it.
I never flew a 737 upside down. I wasn't the PIC, just an observer.
> Heck, just prove that Boeing lent you an airliner and I'll eat my hat
> (that would be quite a feat, by the way; it's leather).
Boeing never lent *me* an airliner either.
> If you really want to impress me with your sincerity, admit the 737 story
> was total bullshit.
Can't. First, I was there. Second, I've got a copy of the film. I was
going to take stills from it, but there's no point as I don't have
permission to publicly display or distribute it.
> You were trying to play one-upmanship and it backfired.
Nope. I think we were involved in a discussion surrounding flying. I was
simply telling you one of my more memorable moments.
> Admit it, apologize for the lie and move on. You'll get respect for
> finally being honest about it.
Uh-huh... right. We all know that particular trap. I'll steer well clear
of it for now. For the record, I've *never* lied in this Newsgroup (or any
other).
>
>> What's the deal here?? There is none!!
>> I've imposed no conditions on you.
>
> You're in no position to do so anyway. So far you've made a promise to
> behave yourself. That's a step in the right direction but you have gone a
> long way off track and it's going to take a lot of steps in the right
> direction before I will accept any kind of admonishment from you.
Robert, I'll admit to being a fool for trying to steer you back in the right
direction. It's obvious that's not going to happen. That doesn't mean I'm
backing down though. There's not going to be any flames coming from my
direction.
>
>>> It's been about a week since you _declared_
>>> an end to posting abuse but you're still
>>> posting accusations.
>>
>> I'm not "accusing" anyone of anything, Robert
>> (that isn't readily provable through a Google
>> search)...
>
> Very nice slam.
Heh... If you say so. Is posting Google searches of your *own* words
considered a slam?? Is demonstrating how things in this group get out of
hand so damn fast a flame?? Is it merely a coincidence that *you're*
frequently the epicenter of all this?? Puh-leeze!!!
> End of discussion. If you want to play nice go ahead. Do so consistently
> for a while and we can discuss things more. Until then...
Right... Feel free to continue as you have... Feel free to drag the Group
down another long flame fest...
Frank
remove the "cdn" to send me mail
Robert L. Bass
> monitoring in Florida without a license Mr.
> Bass?
If you believe that charge me, you lying piece of jiminex.
> Now you have to hide like a criminal!
You're on the ECLB, idiot. File charges...
[silence]
Uh-huh. Just as I thought. You're a liar and a fraud. But keep posting,
Mugford. Eventually it will come back to haunt you and that's a promise.
> What goes around, comes around.........
Memorize that.
socko
> > Are you pissed because you got caught selling
> > monitoring in Florida without a license Mr.
> > Bass?
>
> If you believe that charge me, you lying piece of jiminex.
>
> > Now you have to hide like a criminal!
>
> You're on the ECLB, idiot. File charges...
>
> [silence]
illegally selling monitoring services to the consumers of FL that the
authorities would be happy with that & would not wish to 'file charges'
against you and possibly deny you the opportunity to feed yourself and your
family. I would think you too would be happy with this outcome and not try
to stir up more chit.
Alarminex
<rober...@comcast.net> writes:
>Subject: Re: Napco p3200 2 wire fire
>From: "Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net>
>Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:47:03 -0500
>
>> Robert. Please take a few minutes to look
>> over what I've said and some of the posts
>> that appeared here during your last extended
>> absence...
>
>Not interested. Read the crap that the IB have been inserting into this
>thread and talk to them.
Read the crap that you've been inserting in this group for years and then go
fuck yourself.
>
>> You're always the one that says you're
>> "attacked without provocation". You can't tell me that you've forgotten
>> what started
>> this latest round? Do you want me to post
>> it??
>
>You act as though one post occurs within a vacuum. There has been a
>continuum of potty-mouth garbage from Jiminex, Cracker and the MM for years.
For years .................after you lie, steal information from this group and
call it your own. After you call installers monkeys. After you imply that
you're still in the installation trade so you can dupe end users into buying
from your site. After you threaten people. After you go real life with people
who object to you antagonistic arrogance.
>Don't try to tell me that a couple of wise cracks on my part is the cause of
>their idiocy. These twits were jerks long before I came along.
>
Yet you claim to be here longer than anyone else.
Again you're caught in your own lies. It's YOU who breaks the FAQ and claims no
one can tell you what to do. It's YOU who claims that others break the FAQ when
the tell you to NOT do that. HOQ FUCKING STUPID CAN YOU BE? You can never win
you lying fuck. You've built a reputation over too long a time that you cannot
deny. Your history is posted all over Usenet. All you can ever do is ignore
the facts. But you can count on one fact. No one will ever be allowed to forget
what you've done and what you constantly do here to cause this group to not
function the way it could. You're about as stupid as one can be. All you have
to do is stop the lying, name calling and selling your store in this group and
it will end. Other wise you will die, before it ends .......... and that's not
too far off ............. is it FAT FUCK? How's it feel to be dying
............ beat by beat?
>Besides, it's only been a few days since you were pulling the same crap.
>Just because you decided to play nice a few days ago after several years of
>acting like a two-faced jerk that doesn't entitle you to take the post of
>Miss Manners. Anyway, you don't want that nick because the initials are
>already taken.
>
>>>> I'm merely pointing out that you can...
>>>
>>> I'll decide what, if anything I'm willing to do regarding the IB.
>>
>> That's my point exactly. Your decision with how
>> to "deal with them" always throws the Group into
>> further turmoil.
>
>They post rude replies to everyone who comes here looking for information.
>Talk to someone else about netiquette. Maybe I'll listen to you after
>you've spent a few months proving you're sincere about behaving like an
>adult.
And how long do we have to wait for you to stop acting like a spoiled fucking
bastard while you do what ever you feel you want to do here? Only YOU can do
what you want to do but nobody else can ............... Not in YOUR short life.
>
>> Your "giving as good as you get" isn't going
>> to solve anything. I came to realize that
>> fanning the flames (or even responding to
>> them) isn't going to accomplish anything
>> but keep the Group a "cesspool" (your word).
>
>It's only a cesspool because of the filth that Jiminex, Cracker and the MM
>post.
Bull shit you fat lying fucking bastard. YOU are the reason this group is in
the turmoil that it's in and I'll never let you or ANYONE forget it. YOU post
the arrogant remarks and think that no one should respond to you. YOU are the
one that lies and steals from people here. YOU are the one who exploits this
group and the collective experience of the people here. YOU are the reason and
the cause of the condition of this group and if you think that you'll ever be
able to get away with what ever you want to do here, you can count on me
getting away with whatever I want to get away with. YOU don't have the say of
what goes on here. YOU can't tell anyone what to do. That's the rules YOU
exploit here and therefore I or anyone else can do the same. If you can break
the rules then anyone can.
>> All I'm asking...
>
>Ask someone else.
>
>>> Virtually no one, including you gives more
>>> than lip service to the FAQ.
>>
>> Aux contraire. Several of your competitors
>> do respect it...
>
>Jim Rojas regularly posts advertising here. I don't mind since he's a good
>guy. RHC is a friend of mine. You don't need to tell me about him. He
>comports himself properly but when pushed enough he also tends to ...er,
>speak his mind.
As small and inexperienced a mind as it might be.
But ........... It's obvious that you like obsequious people who don't talk
back or take you to task for your hostile conduct here. That's what all bullys
like.
>
>>> For that matter, the "FAQ" was never ratified
>>> by anyone. It carries no more weight than a
>>> Jiminex post.
>>
>> It may not have been "ratified", but it certainly
>> existed very shortly after the Group's inception.
>
>Nope. That's not correct. I was here when Steve wrote it up. That was
>quite some time after the "newgroup" posts were entered. Regardless, it
>carries no authority.
>
>> What in the FAQ do you specifically object to??
>
>It makes no difference. The "FAQ" you keep referring to is just a post that
>someone wrote. It had some nice ideas and some useless ones. It also
>contained a whole lot of stuff about enforcing its precepts, but the author
>was dreaming. Neither he nor anyone else who posts to an unmoderated ALT
>newsgroup has any authority over what others post. If they did, Jiminex,
>MM, Morgan and a few others would have been banned years ago. For that
>matter, so would you and I.
Exactly .................you stupid asshole.
So you've just admitted that you do understand what it is that you've caused
here and that you purposely refuse to stop the disruption of this group because
you don't WANT to. Not because you can't. Not becuse you don't think it would
cause the group to work the way it was intended ............ simply because you
don't want to.
>
>>>> Did you ever look up the word "ethics"??
>>>
>>> Do you actually believe that comments like
>>> that are going to inspire better relations?
>>
>> It is a legitimate question...
>
>It was invective.
>
>> Granted I used to hammer you with it (in the past), but in this instance
>> it certainly wasn't
>> intended as anything more than a freindly
>> "nudge".
>
>You've used all kinds of things to try to "hammer" me. That includes tons
>of rather offensive, personal flames that had nothing to do with the subject
>of this newsgroup. You've also persued me to other newsgroups with the sole
>purpose of trying to harass. We're not old pals. You don't have my
>permission to make "friendly" nudges. Nudge me in person and you'd have
>been straight-armed into a wall. Do it in print and you get smacked
>verbally. There's way too much water under the bridge between us for you to
>take any liberties at all. Act like a neighbor instead of a jerk for a few
>months and that may change. Meanwhile, keep your nudges to yourself.
Why don't you tell ME to keep my "nudges" to myself, you fat fucking ingorant
bastard? Because you know damn well I won't stand for your brand of shit that
you think you've got the right to hand out but can't take yourself. You don't
stand a chance with me. You can't justify to anyone ANY thing that you've done
to people in this group or the conditions that you cause to exist in this
group. You know damn well that anything that you say or do or deny about what
you've done here is archived and I'll show you up for the liar you are. Want to
take me on FAT FUCK? TELL us how many times you've haven't gone real life with
people in Usenet. Tell us how many times you HAVEN?T called installers idiot
and stupid and monkeys. Come on I dare you to deny any of the truths that I
state about you. Your a fucking liar and a thief. You perpetrate fraud upon the
end users who come here by lying about your existance in the installation trade
and you're knowlege about todays products. You say your an EXPERT about Napco
products but you don't even know what the PGM outputs do or how the access
features work. You lie and when caught you think that ignoring it will make it
go away. Well not with ME around. I'll show you up for the lying fraud you are
until the day you die ............ shortly.
>
>>>> You have only to look at the last few weeks...
>>>
>>> Look at the last few years. The vast majority
>>> of the abuse has always come from the same
>>> few malcontents -- Jiminex, Sabodish, Morgan,
>>> Mugford, etc.
>>
>> But largely in response to things *you* say.
>
>Bullshit! I post a note to one of the others saying I have a client who
>wants his services and the jackass from the ECLB accuses me of conspiracy to
>violate an imaginary statute. The other idiots chime in like a bunch of
>unfed hens. Don't tell me about provocation.
And what kind of provocation does calling people idiots and monkeys consist of?
OH that's right ........ it's ok for YOU to provoke but it's not alright for
anyone else to do it to you............. because nobody can tell you what to do
here ....... it's just alright for you to tell everyone else what to do. Yeah
.......... well learn another lesson FAT ASS. As long as YOU provoke people
here, you're going to get it back. As long as you think you have the right to
antagonize people ............. you're going to get it back. As long as you
think you can do what ever you please here .............. and no one else has
that same perogative ................ you're going to be shown up for the
bastard that you are.
>
>> ...What is it that made Graham turn against you
>> exactly?
>
>He thought he could score points with the IB. It back-fired though. He
>lost me as a friend and they still think he's a moron.
>
>> What made me??
>
>Pretty much the same thing. You came into the newsgroup, started telling
>everyone how to act and got summarily rejected for it. You tried for a
>while, then realised I was on the minority side and hopped on the IB's
>bandwagon for the next several years. Several others (some of whom are
>still around) made the identical assessment of you. Are they all wrong
>about you, too?
>
TOO?
Now there ya go!
So I guess if that isn't an admission that you are purposely disrupting this
group I don't know what is. Keep it up FAT ASS. You're letting everyone know
exactly what you intentionally do to this group.
>Now all of a sudden you say you've jumped ship -- you're going to behave
>yourself and stop posting unprovoked abuse. Good for you. Pardon me if I'm
>just a tad skeptical of your motives for now.
>
>> That's because deep down you know I'm right... :-))
>
>No, Olson. It's because deep down I doubt your sincerity. I tried to make
>peace with you once before and you just continued attacking me. I
>discovered there was a rock hidden in your white flag.
What's the matter fat fuck ............. don't like it what someone plays your
kind of tricks. You're so used to people walking away from you in disgust that
you think that they actually accept what you are. A lying, two faced, self
absorbed, arrogant, fat pig. Get it straight FAT FUCK ............. nobody
likes you! Those that stay near you .......... use you. You know it. You just
try to ignore it by arrogance. You poor simple toad.
>> What's it gonna take to show you??...
>
>You've just hit the nail on the head. "Show" me by your own actions -- not
>for two or three days but for a month or more -- that you seriously want to
>change the way you behave in the newsgroup. That doesn't mean just ASA
>either. You've offended a lot of people in the other newsgroups where I
>participate. You've been repeatedly told to #### off be a lot of folks
>because of your unprovoked personal attacks on me. If you want to show me
>something, show me that you mean business for a while. Then maybe you can
>earn the right to "nudge" or whatever.
And when are you going to "show" the people in this group that you deserve to
be treated civlly. Oh ........... that's right. YOU don't have to do anything
that anyone else want's here. No one can tell YOU what to do. Only YOU can tell
everyone else what to do. You can do anything you please because this is an ALT
group and is unmoderated and it just doesn't make sense to you to NOT do what
would be expected or allowed in a moderated group. Nah, you'd just rather be
the cause of the disruption of the group because you don't have any respect for
anyone else. You can't understand that if you acted as if if WERE a moderated
group, you wouldn't be insulting and antagonizing anyone else and they would
have no reason to do the same with you. You profess to be so smart, when you
can't even figure out that if you don't provoke people they're not going to
kick you in the ass at every opportunity. You may be a smart ASS but you're
stupid.
>
>>> You've got several years of posting abuse.
>>
>> I don't deny that. And you've got several years
>> of spewing lies and unsubstantiated remarks
>> about me...
>
>Prove one lie. Prove you flew a 737 upside down at 5000 AGL and lived to
>tell of it. Heck, just prove that Boeing lent you an airliner and I'll eat
>my hat (that would be quite a feat, by the way; it's leather). If you
>really want to impress me with your sincerity, admit the 737 story was total
>bullshit. You were trying to play one-upmanship and it backfired. Admit
>it, apologize for the lie and move on. You'll get respect for finally being
>honest about it.
>
And of course that means that you'll admit that you've intentionally disrupted
this group for years. That you are the reason and the cause of the turmoil
here. That you purposely lie about your being in the installation business to
endusers who come here. That you weren't thrown out of the Aviation group for
the very same conduct that you execute here. That you've stolen information
from this group and called it your own. That you've exploited this group and
thereby intenionally disrupted it for your personal gain. .............. Just
for beginners!
How about a little "addmission" on YOUR part? Oh ........... that's right. YOU
don't have to explain yourself to anyone. You don't have to prove your
sincerity to anyone. Only someone else has to prove things to YOU. FUCK YOU.
YOU don't run this group and no one has to answer to you. If you don't like it
get the fuck out.
Isn't that the way it goes?
>> What's the deal here?? There is none!!
>> I've imposed no conditions on you.
>
>You're in no position to do so anyway. So far you've made a promise to
>behave yourself. That's a step in the right direction but you have gone a
>long way off track and it's going to take a lot of steps in the right
>direction before I will accept any kind of admonishment from you.
OH GIMME A FUCKING BREAK.
Who the fuck are you to ACCEPT any kind of behavior from ANYONE. You're about
the biggest cock sucker prick bastard that I or anyone has ever come across and
you put your self in a position of accepting or not accepting the conduct of
someone eles. Yeah ............ sure FAT ASS. Sure ................. about 3
seconds after you take your last breath.
>
>>> It's been about a week since you _declared_
>>> an end to posting abuse but you're still
>>> posting accusations.
>>
>> I'm not "accusing" anyone of anything, Robert
>> (that isn't readily provable through a Google
>> search)...
>
>Very nice slam. End of discussion. If you want to play nice go ahead. Do
>so consistently for a while and we can discuss things more. Until then...
So.......... it's clear then that you CAN see the difference between an
accusation and proveable facts.
Well, I guess that's another notch showing what a two faced lying prick you
are. You know what you do here. And you do it intentionally. Proven by the very
fact that you can't even admit what you've done even though it's documented.
You think that if everyone would only ignore all the you've done and caused
here that it would prove your sincerity and how nice a person you are. As long
as you conduct your self the way you have done so consistantly over the years
you can expect the same treatment in return ................ After all, if you
can act that way, why can't someone else...................... You are you're
own worst enemy. It's obvious that it's been that way your whole fucking
miserable life. You create your own obstacles, and you know it. So be it Fat
boy. So be it.
Alarminex
writes:
>Subject: Re: Napco p3200 2 wire fire
>From: "socko" <n...@home.org>
>Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:33:25 -0500
Hey ........... does this all mean that bubble ass got cited for breaking the
law in Florida?
What's the scoop.
Oh Jezzzz .......... I hope so .............................
And lets see now ......... that would make a liar and a fraud ............ out
of
WHHOOOOOOO?
Heh heh heh!
Robert L. Bass
> I've tried, but it did have a nice finish (not
> acidic). I'm sticking to the French ones though.
I mostly use wine for cooking. I think I've drank maybe three or four
glasses in the past year. I never much cared for alcohol.
>> We don't have government liquor stores in
>> Florida. IIRC, New Hampshire does that.
>> I don't know if any other states do.
>
> I know. You've got it nice down there...
> Here it's heavily regulated (and taxed)...
If I drank I guess that would matter more to me.
> If you stop, they'll stop...
No, they won't.
> Constantly referring to certain individuals
> with the rather colourful nicks you've given
> them isn't going to help matters...
I don't really care. I'm finished trying to make peace with them. I'll do
what I think is best and they will continue posting trash. You're free to
do whatever you want.
> You *say* I have no right to ask you to do
> anything because of my own past behaviour,
> yet you "ask" things of me (later in your
> post)...
Those were conditions, not directives. *If* you want me to listen to your
suggestions you need to first take some time proving you're sincere. You
can post whatever you like, but if you want respect from me you have to earn
it. When you first came here I treated you the same as I do any newcomer.
I was courteous and respectful to you. Then you jumped on the IB's
band-wagon and spent several years posting abuse. If you want me to believe
you're sincere, show me by your actions over a period of time -- not just
three or four days.
> I'm stopping the flames because it's not how
> I am IRL. I'm sure it's not how you are either.
I'm actually a very nice person. My mother says so. :^)
>> You act as though one post occurs within a
>> vacuum. There has been a continuum of
>> potty-mouth garbage from Jiminex, Cracker
>> and the MM for years.
>
> All in response to things you've said and done.
That is not true and you know it. Sabodish and Cracker (like you) have even
followed me to other newsgroups, posting all kinds of trash when no one even
mentioned them (or you).
>> Besides, it's only been a few days since you
>> were pulling the same crap.
>
> Yes, but in response to things you said about me.
No, Frank. You've posted numerous unprovoked attacks, so much so that in
other newsgroups you've been repeatedly told by numerous folks to knock it
off or get out. You ignored those requests for years. You even couched
more insults in the form of fale apologies. Sorry, but it will take more
than a unilateral declaration of peace for me to believe you.
> I hadn't made one derogatory post (against you)
> the entire time of your absence.
How kind of you. You only posted garbage when I spoke about technical
matters. When I said nothing at all you didn't attack me for several weeks.
However, during the previous several years you repeatedly attacked me and
joined in the bashing from Jiminex, Cracker and a few other idiots. Now I'm
supposed to listen to you? I don't think so.
> I don't give a fig whether-or-not you decide not
> to flame me in the future. I've decided I ain't
> gonna reciprocate regardless of what it is you
> decide to do.
Whoopee! Now prove you mean it.
>> Ask someone else.
>
> As if that's going to get me any further...
I'm not interested in what gets you any further. You chose to make yourself
an enemy. If you say you want to change that's good. I'll believe you when
I've seen proof.
>
>
>>
>>>> Virtually no one, including you gives more
>>>> than lip service to the FAQ.
>>>
>>> Aux contraire. Several of your competitors
>>> do respect it...
>>
>> Jim Rojas regularly posts advertising here.
>
> Yes... but it's not directed at end-users...
So what?
> It's directed at *dealers* and falls well within
> the established guidelines...
There are no established guidelines.
> He also rarely discusses pricing.
He has posted prices numerous times but I don't mind. In fact, I regularly
refer clients to him.
>> I don't mind since he's a good guy.
>
> "Big" of you...
Naah, just fair.
>> RHC is a friend of mine. You don't need to tell me about him. He
>> comports himself properly but when pushed enough he also tends to ...er,
>> speak his mind.
>
> You'll notice he doesn't garner the same animosity though.
He routinely gets attacked by Jiminex though he's never said one foul word
against that jerk. Jiminex attacks anyone who doesn't jump on the
IB-dungmobile with him.
>>>> For that matter, the "FAQ" was never ratified
>>>> by anyone. It carries no more weight than a
>>>> Jiminex post.
>>>
>>> It may not have been "ratified", but it certainly
>>> existed very shortly after the Group's inception.
>>
>> Nope. That's not correct. I was here when Steve wrote it up. That was
>> quite some time after the "newgroup" posts were entered. Regardless, it
>> carries no authority.
>
> It does with me...
Only because you copied it to your private website in an attempt to pretend
you're a representative of this newsgroup. You're not, of course.
> It's difficult to maintain a civil demeanor when
> someone you don't know attacks your reputation
> with lies and innuendo...
Oh, so you noticed? That's progress. Anyone accuse you of murder, drunk
driving, "playing games" with credit cards, etc? The jackasses do that
every day even though they know it's a lie. You've chimed right in with
them for years. Now all of a sudden you declare yourself the arbiter of
good newsgroup behavior? Yeah, right!
> I can understand why you'd find it difficult to
> stop as well. You view it as "surrendering"...
You haven't a clue what I think.
>> It makes no difference. The "FAQ" you keep
>> referring to is just a post that someone wrote.
>> It had some nice ideas and some useless ones.
>> It also contained a whole lot of stuff about
>> enforcing its precepts, but the author was
>> dreaming. Neither he nor anyone else who
>> posts to an unmoderated ALT newsgroup has
>> any authority over what others post. If they
>> did, Jiminex, MM, Morgan and a few others
>> would have been banned years ago. For that
>> matter, so would you and I.
>
> I'm not gonna point fingers. It serves no purpose.
Translation: You know I'm right.
> I've only posted in other groups in response to
> things *you've* said...
I post a technical reply to a newby's question and you post invective. You
get told by several other participants to shut up. You reply how you're
just disagreeing with me but everyone clearly sees that you're just trying
to turn yet another newsgroup into the kind of cesspool your pals made of
this one. This isn't just once or twice, Frank. You've done it so many
times that numerous people had to tell you to shut up.
> Sure...
Try it some time and see.
>> Meanwhile, keep your nudges to yourself.
>
> "Touchy", ain't we??
Just tired of your lies and abuse.
>>> What made me??
>>
>> Pretty much the same thing.
>
> Check... Something *you* said about installers in general.
Wrong again. Do a Google on the price of monitoring. Bring back memories?
> Heh.... You've got an interesting view of things, don'tcha??
Leuck and several others pointed out the exact same thing.
>> I'm just a tad skeptical of your motives for now.
>
> You've got a right to be.
Yep.
Norm Mugford
> Uh-huh. Just as I thought. You're a liar and a fraud. But keep posting,
> Mugford. Eventually it will come back to haunt you and that's a promise.
A promise from a felon is as useless as a sneaker full of Shit Mr. Bass.
Sorry I had to describe you so vividly.
Since you're so knowledgeable.....aka "copy & paste" specialist.
You would know that the ECLB only has authority with contractors
with licenses in Florida....you have none...
However, the DBPR has authority over unlicensed contracting in Florida.
That's the "ticket" Bass. You don't have one...remember.
The State's Attorney office has investigators that look for criminals.......
Look in a mirror BASS...You see one, don't you?
Norm Mugford
PS For the rest of those out there who read this....
HAPPY NEW YEAR
"Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Eb2dnZw7jY0...@comcast.com...
Robert L. Bass
I never started. Mugford knows this.
Frank Olson
> I mostly use wine for cooking. I think I've drank maybe three or four
> glasses in the past year. I never much cared for alcohol.
That explains it. You only "sacrifice" the cheap stuff in cooking. You'd
never buy it to drink it. :-))
>
>>> We don't have government liquor stores in
>>> Florida. IIRC, New Hampshire does that.
>>> I don't know if any other states do.
>>
>> I know. You've got it nice down there...
>> Here it's heavily regulated (and taxed)...
>
> If I drank I guess that would matter more to me.
I suppose so...
>
>> If you stop, they'll stop...
>
> No, they won't.
Then you obviously haven't done as I suggested (Google the last few weeks
during your absence)...
>
>> Constantly referring to certain individuals
>> with the rather colourful nicks you've given
>> them isn't going to help matters...
>
> I don't really care. I'm finished trying to make peace with them. I'll
> do what I think is best and they will continue posting trash. You're free
> to do whatever you want.
We're all "free". We all have "choice". You can choose to follow the FAQ
or not. As long as *you* don't, no one else in the group of individuals
that you keep referring to as the "IB" will either. There's ample proof of
what I say.
>
>> You *say* I have no right to ask you to do
>> anything because of my own past behaviour,
>> yet you "ask" things of me (later in your
>> post)...
>
> Those were conditions, not directives. *If* you want me to listen to your
> suggestions you need to first take some time proving you're sincere. You
> can post whatever you like, but if you want respect from me you have to
> earn it.
I want nothing from you. There are no conditions for my not posting flames
about (or against) you.
> When you first came here I treated you the same as I do any newcomer. I
> was courteous and respectful to you. Then you jumped on the IB's
> band-wagon and spent several years posting abuse. If you want me to
> believe you're sincere, show me by your actions over a period of time --
> not just three or four days.
>
>> I'm stopping the flames because it's not how
>> I am IRL. I'm sure it's not how you are either.
>
> I'm actually a very nice person. My mother says so. :^)
>
>>> You act as though one post occurs within a
>>> vacuum. There has been a continuum of
>>> potty-mouth garbage from Jiminex, Cracker
>>> and the MM for years.
>>
>> All in response to things you've said and done.
>
> That is not true and you know it. Sabodish and Cracker (like you) have
> even followed me to other newsgroups, posting all kinds of trash when no
> one even mentioned them (or you).
Really?? How about proving this statement?? Post the Googles if you're
going to say something about my behaviour in other groups.
>
>>> Besides, it's only been a few days since you
>>> were pulling the same crap.
>>
>> Yes, but in response to things you said about me.
>
> No, Frank. You've posted numerous unprovoked attacks, so much so that in
> other newsgroups you've been repeatedly told by numerous folks to knock it
> off or get out.
Prove it. Post the Googles. Everything I've posted in this group (and in
others) has always started with something you've said. Unfortunately I
didn't just "stop" with the one thread though. This often resulted in a
cycle of invective in which both of us traded "potshots".
> You ignored those requests for years.
I've never ingnored anyone (except Mike).
> You even couched more insults in the form of fale apologies.
I'd like to see the Google on that too.
> Sorry, but it will take more than a unilateral declaration of peace for me
> to believe you.
>
>> I hadn't made one derogatory post (against you)
>> the entire time of your absence.
>
> How kind of you. You only posted garbage when I spoke about technical
> matters.
Excuse me?? When you post technical *bullshit* expect to get called on it.
I do frequently as well. You damn well know you've gotta mind your "P's and
Q's" or Leuck will step in and slap you too... :-))
> When I said nothing at all you didn't attack me for several weeks.
Sort of proves what I've been saying all along doesn't it?? I have never
"attacked" without being provoked first. You've made continuous "swipes" at
me with one of your "pet phrases" ("BullFrank") when I've *never* lied in
this (or any other) Group.
> However, during the previous several years you repeatedly attacked me and
> joined in the bashing from Jiminex, Cracker and a few other idiots. Now
> I'm supposed to listen to you? I don't think so.
For years people have been telling you to "straighten up and fly right".
For years you've ignored them and the torrent of abuse continues. Does
someone have to hit you over the head with a "two-by-four" before you'll
listen?? Tom made peace with you several years ago and this resulted in
several good things happening (almost immediately). Who "decided" to start
posting FAQ's, AD's, and "INFO" posts??
>
>> I don't give a fig whether-or-not you decide not
>> to flame me in the future. I've decided I ain't
>> gonna reciprocate regardless of what it is you
>> decide to do.
>
> Whoopee! Now prove you mean it.
Sure... flame away, Robert... :-))
>
>>> Ask someone else.
>>
>> As if that's going to get me any further...
>
> I'm not interested in what gets you any further. You chose to make
> yourself an enemy. If you say you want to change that's good. I'll
> believe you when I've seen proof.
Uh-huh... I'm not the only one here that needs an "attitude adjustment".
There are a number of others as well. Tell you what... If Jim, Mike and
Graham were to stop posting nasty things about you what would you do?? How
would you respond?? Continue posting flames to see if they're "sincere"??
Take the bull by the horns, Robert. Impress all of us by "showing them up".
I know you don't care what anyone else thinks, but I do know this (from my
own personal experience)... That "chip" on your shoulder weighs a hell of a
lot more than you think and getting rid of it will make you feel like a new
man (it certainly made me feel that way).
>>>> It may not have been "ratified", but it certainly
>>>> existed very shortly after the Group's inception.
>>>
>>> Nope. That's not correct. I was here when Steve wrote it up. That was
>>> quite some time after the "newgroup" posts were entered. Regardless, it
>>> carries no authority.
>>
>> It does with me...
>
> Only because you copied it to your private website in an attempt to
> pretend you're a representative of this newsgroup. You're not, of course.
You've done exactly the same thing, Robert...
>
>> It's difficult to maintain a civil demeanor when
>> someone you don't know attacks your reputation
>> with lies and innuendo...
>
> Oh, so you noticed? That's progress. Anyone accuse you of murder,
That's a bit "extreme". But then, Mike's an "extreme" kinda guy (when the
"spirits move him")... :-))
> drunk driving,
Not something anyone can prove either and falling asleep at the wheel (which
turned tragic in your case) is something that shouldn't be used against you
as it has been.
> "playing games" with credit cards, etc?
So you've messed up a couple of orders... so what?? No one "lost" but you.
The beauty of using Visa and MasterCard is that the customer has only to
file a complaint and his money's refunded.
> The jackasses do that every day even though they know it's a lie.
Uh-huh... And you've decided to call me a "liar", a "counter clerk at a
small distributor", etc. You've never offered one shred of proof either.
You've also taken your animosity "real life" with Graham as I'm sure you
would have also done with me (given the opportunity).
> You've chimed right in with them for years.
Never accused you of "murder", "drunk driving", or "messing with" people's
credit cards. I did say you were a "fraud" for telling people that you have
28 years "in the trade" and couching your responses to make it sound like
you're still installing/servicing alarm systems...
> Now all of a sudden you declare yourself the arbiter of good newsgroup
> behavior? Yeah, right!
Nope. I've simply said that my adding fuel to the flames isn't the way I
want people to think of me and certainly isn't the way I behave publicly
anywhere else but in USENET. I've decided to "take the high road" and treat
the participants here the way I do people "IRL". I would want nothing less
than to be able to tell people about ASA being the "center of excellence" it
still has the potential of becoming. I love what I do for a living and
enjoy helping others solve problems with equipment and security issues. The
fact that we share much the same feeling for our work means we shouldn't be
"enemies".
>
>> I can understand why you'd find it difficult to
>> stop as well. You view it as "surrendering"...
>
> You haven't a clue what I think.
I know a heck of a lot about you, your business and your life... How you
"think" isn't that hard to figure out.
>
>>> It makes no difference. The "FAQ" you keep
>>> referring to is just a post that someone wrote.
>>> It had some nice ideas and some useless ones.
>>> It also contained a whole lot of stuff about
>>> enforcing its precepts, but the author was
>>> dreaming. Neither he nor anyone else who
>>> posts to an unmoderated ALT newsgroup has
>>> any authority over what others post. If they
>>> did, Jiminex, MM, Morgan and a few others
>>> would have been banned years ago. For that
>>> matter, so would you and I.
>>
>> I'm not gonna point fingers. It serves no purpose.
>
> Translation: You know I'm right.
Don't know about "me". Most everything I've posted as "invective" was a
reaction to someone else posting first... I know... I've done the Google.
>
>> I've only posted in other groups in response to
>> things *you've* said...
>
> I post a technical reply to a newby's question and you post invective.
> You get told by several other participants to shut up. You reply how
> you're just disagreeing with me but everyone clearly sees that you're just
> trying to turn yet another newsgroup into the kind of cesspool your pals
> made of this one. This isn't just once or twice, Frank. You've done it
> so many times that numerous people had to tell you to shut up.
Prove it!! Post the Google. Then tell me about how I "followed you" to CHA
and started posting "invective". As I recall I asked you a technical
question to which you responded in a blatantly malicious manner. I've never
supported the online efforts of Mike and have on several occasions wound up
on the "receiving end" of one of his more "colorful" responses...
>
>> Sure...
>
> Try it some time and see.
>
>>> Meanwhile, keep your nudges to yourself.
>>
>> "Touchy", ain't we??
>
> Just tired of your lies and abuse.
I can honestly say the same about you.
>
>>>> What made me??
>>>
>>> Pretty much the same thing.
>>
>> Check... Something *you* said about installers in general.
>
> Wrong again. Do a Google on the price of monitoring. Bring back
> memories?
It does... That coupled with the things you were saying about alarm
companies/installers (in the same thread) was an attack on a trade I fully
support and am still involved in. The fact is... You don't have to
"champion DIY" as blatantly as you do to get your point across.
Installers/service professionals are *not* your enemies. You've gleaned
substantial knowledge of the industry through them and unfortunately have
chosen to use that to support something I've often derisively called "your
mantra". Jim R., Andy and Bob L. sell to the same "market" as you, yet they
have never been singled out as you have. You should really take some time
and think about this.
>
>> Heh.... You've got an interesting view of things, don'tcha??
>
> Leuck and several others pointed out the exact same thing.
Leuck's a genius. He's had the whole Group's dynamic figured out for a long
time. I hate him!! :-))
G. Morgan
=> Robert L. Bass <= wrote:
>I mostly use wine for cooking. I think I've killed maybe three or four
>people in the past year. I never much cared for alcohol.
Hey Fat-Ass. I've stayed out of this thread so far.... and you've mentioned me
at least eight times. Do you love me or something? Wanna come lick my balls?
Fuck You Pig.
--
-Graham
Remove the 'snails' from my email
Frank Olson
"G. Morgan" <alarmp...@snailgmail.com> wrote in message
news:41e1de3c....@schoolofhardknocks.edu...
> I've stayed out of this thread so far....
<snip>
*sigh*
G. Morgan
Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
Sigh? What are sighing at me for? How many times am I supposed to let the
bastard call me idiot and cracker before a response is warranted? You're the
one egging him on..... Don't think for one minute he is doing anything other
than laughing at you right now.
G. Morgan
Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
>>> I'm not really working today (Christmas) but I'll
>>> be in my office Sunday morning after 10:00 am.
>>
>> You mean you'll "wander in" from the kitchen, a
>> cold turkey leg clutched in your hand, right?? :-))
>
>More likely a ham sandwich. I cooked for 18 people the other day. The
>local Publix had only 9-10 pound hams and a few weighing 20 pounds or more.
>I prepared a 21-pounder plus about a gallon and a half of mashed potatoes,
>half a gallon of basil risotto and three pans of focaccia with herbs and
>parmesan. Everyone else brought deserts, salads, chips and whatnot. There
>are enough leftovers to feed a small army. :^)
>
Christmas dinner was nice:
Frozen monkey liver stuffed inside marinated hippopotamus testicles with baked
syphilis scab topping. Weevil buttock extract smothered in salted earwax balls
and tendon seasoning - served in a wriggling pail heaped with ground maggots and
badger spunk with morsels of endive in melted cheese. A side of used tampon
drenched with human saliva, and a cup of ferret head broth.
Frank Olson
> Sigh? What are sighing at me for? How many times am I supposed to let
> the
> bastard call me idiot and cracker before a response is warranted? You're
> the
> one egging him on..... Don't think for one minute he is doing anything
> other
> than laughing at you right now.
Let him call you "bastard" as many times as he likes. If you don't respond
in kind, what do you think will happen?? It seems to me that you and "the
others" have been fighting a battle here for *years* that keeps dragging the
Group into what can only be described as a "cesspool". Your responses don't
do anything to diminish the situation but do a lot toward "diminishing" you.
"Take the high road", Graham. That doesn't mean "ignore everything he says
or does", but it *will* do a whole lot toward "showing him up". Think about
it!
Group Moderator
Date: 12/28/2004 10:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
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Mike Said:
Bless You Son. Now crawl back under your rock. Robert L Bass is a scumbag, over
150 people can't be wrong. He deserves more than 365,00 Frankie Boys could ever
give him. He will meet his maker shortly and will have to answer to all.
St. Michael said that about Lucifer. I kicked his Fat ass before and will kick
it once again. Bass blows and don't deserve to breathe. He is the scum of
**ALL* scum.
Frank Olson
"Group Moderator" <alarm...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041228222619...@mb-m18.aol.com...
> Mike Said:
> Bless You Son. Now crawl back under your rock. Robert L Bass is a scumbag,
> over
> 150 people can't be wrong. He deserves more than 365,00 Frankie Boys could
> ever
> give him. He will meet his maker shortly and will have to answer to all.
> St. Michael said that about Lucifer. I kicked his Fat ass before and will
> kick
> it once again. Bass blows and don't deserve to breathe. He is the scum of
> **ALL* scum.
"...And the beat goes on..." (from an old "Sonny and Cher" song)...
Russ Brill
babe"......... Sorry, I couldn't help myself........... Regards, Russ
"Frank Olson" <feo...@shawcdn.ca> wrote in message
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Frank Olson
"Russ Brill" <russw...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> And there's a song some tree in the mountains liked, "I got you
> babe"......... Sorry, I couldn't help myself........... Regards, Russ
Heh.... Good one!!
Robert L. Bass
>> glasses in the past year. I never much cared for alcohol.
>
> That explains it. You only "sacrifice" the cheap stuff in cooking. You'd
> never buy it to drink it. :-))
Not really. I said I don't drink it much. I do serve it. When I buy
something to cook with, I serve the rest to my guests. Most recipes call
for a specific type of wine. Publix markets have a huge selection --
everything from cheap to carissimo. I just ask the manager or a friend with
more knowledge what's a good (whatever the recipe calls for).
>>> Constantly referring to certain individuals
>>> with the rather colourful nicks you've given
>>> them isn't going to help matters...
>>
>> I don't really care. I'm finished trying to make
>> peace with them. I'll do what I think is best
>> and they will continue posting trash. You're
>> free to do whatever you want.
>
> We're all "free". We all have "choice".
Fine. You exercise your choice and I'll do the same.
> You can choose to follow the FAQ or not...
Uh, this "FAQ" you keep referring to is completely ignored by almost
everyone. You've violated the core of its precepts for years. You don't
suddenly get eloected "Keeper of the FAQ" because you now say you're going
to act nice.
> As long as *you* don't, no one else in the
> group of individuals that you keep referring
> to as the "IB" will either. There's ample
> proof of what I say.
There's ample proof that the IB will continue posting excrement regardless
what I do.
>>> You *say* I have no right to ask you to do
>>> anything because of my own past behaviour,
>>> yet you "ask" things of me (later in your
>>> post)...
>>
>> Those were conditions, not directives. *If*
>> you want me to listen to your suggestions
>> you need to first take some time proving
>> you're sincere. You can post whatever you
>> like, but if you want respect from me you
>> have to earn it.
>
> I want nothing from you...
Good. Then you won't be disappointed.
> There are no conditions for my not posting
> flames about (or against) you.
Good, now run along and play nice. Get back to me in a few months.
>> That is not true and you know it. Sabodish
>> and Cracker (like you) have even followed
>> me to other newsgroups, posting all kinds
>> of trash when no one even mentioned them
>> (or you).
>
> Really?? How about proving this statement??
Do you deny that these jackasses, along with you, have repeatedly posted
trash in other newsgroups where they had no interest other than to try to
harass me? Get real!
> Post the Googles if you're going to say something
> about my behaviour in other groups.
Try searching on the following subjects in CHA:
Onward Christian Soldier
no apology- it's all about MONEY
BassBurglarAlarms.com - Shipping prices are INSANE
camera image too bright
Wireless dry contacts
FAQ Updated
Bass Security
A question for the NG
CLARIFICATION
Static IP's and HA
structured wiring panel
Better Business Bureau report on Bass Home Electronics!!
Robert Bass -- I'm trying to contact you
BUMP!
Robert L Bass Tries To Screw Dave Houston
Request for Discussoin: Boycott of Members of the ASA Approved Vendors
List
Basshome.com & the BBB
FAQ - Installation Tools for Alarm System
NEWBIE - CEDIA EXPO
Newsgroup Troubles???
Best place for 14-4 speaker wire?...Not Monster Cable..
New ASA Online Vendor - Alarm-Depot.com
There are hundreds more but I got tired of scrolling through the crap.
> Prove it. Post the Googles....
See above.
> Everything I've posted in this group (and in others) has always started
> with something
> you've said...
For example, I answer a technical question in ASA and you respond with crap.
> Unfortunately I didn't just "stop" with the
> one thread though...
Actually, you've started most of it yourself. You've been told to stop by
numerous third parties.
>> You even couched more insults in the
>> form of fake apologies.
>
> I'd like to see the Google on that too.
>> Sorry, but it will take more than a unilateral
>> declaration of peace for me to believe you.
>>
>>> I hadn't made one derogatory post (against you)
>>> the entire time of your absence.
>>
>> How kind of you. You only posted garbage
>> when I spoke about technical matters.
>
> Excuse me?? When you post technical *bullshit*
> expect to get called on it...
See above URL.
>> When I said nothing at all you didn't
>> attack me for several weeks.
>
> Sort of proves what I've been saying all
> along doesn't it??...
Not in the least.
> I have never "attacked" without being
> provoked first...
That's a lie.
> You've made continuous "swipes" at me with
> one of your "pet phrases" ("BullFrank") when
> I've *never* lied in this (or any other) Group...
Tell us all again about your snap-roll of a 737 at 5000 AGL.
>> However, during the previous several years
>> you repeatedly attacked me and joined in
>> the bashing from Jiminex, Cracker and a few
>> other idiots. Now I'm supposed to listen to
>> you? I don't think so.
>
> For years people have been telling you to
> "straighten up and fly right"...
Correction - For years a small group of idiots have tried to run me off with
their abuse. Anyone else who objected they also tried to run off. You
happily joined in with these morons.
> For years you've ignored them and the torrent
> of abuse continues...
Neither they nor you are in charge of anything. I will continue saying what
I believe as I always have. I will also mention my online store when
someone is looking for something I carry as I always have. If you don't
like it that's your problem.
> Does someone have to hit you over the head
> with a "two-by-four" before you'll listen??...
You may find that's not such a good idea. First you have to get close
enough to hit me. The problem with that is I might be faster than you. Of
course, you'll never know until you try.
>>> I don't give a fig whether-or-not you decide not
>>> to flame me in the future. I've decided I ain't
>>> gonna reciprocate regardless of what it is you
>>> decide to do.
>>
>> Whoopee! Now prove you mean it.
>
> Sure... flame away, Robert... :-))
That was not a flame. It was a challenge. You say you're now going to act
like an adult. That's good. We'll see how sincere you are over the next
few months.
>>>> Ask someone else.
>>>
>>> As if that's going to get me any further...
>>
>> I'm not interested in what gets you any further.
>> You chose to make yourself an enemy. If you
>> say you want to change that's good. I'll believe
>> you when I've seen proof.
>
> Uh-huh... I'm not the only one here that needs
> an "attitude adjustment"...
I didn't ask for your advice on my attitude but since you bring it up I'll
tell you where it's at. You've been a total jackass for years. You've
attacked me repeatedly in several newsgroups. Despite your denials, you
have done so without provocation numerous times and many other people have
told you to stop. You have tried to interfere with my business. You filed
a bogus complaint with the Florida authorities (which they dismissed out of
hand). You've called my vendors. You've pestered manufacturers. You've
tried to harm my business any way you could.
Now all of a sudden you claim you're a nice guy and you start telling me how
I ought to act. Get real. You're in no position to tell me or anyone else
how to behave. You say you've "seen the light." Good. Follow your shining
star. Pardon me if I still think you're still FOS.
> There are a number of others as well. Tell
> you what... If Jim, Mike and Graham were
> to stop posting nasty things about you what
> would you do??
The same thing I've been doing for years. I'd answer technical questions
from others, post occasional humor and mention my site if someone asks for
something I carry.
> How would you respond?? Continue posting
> flames to see if they're "sincere"??
I'm not flaming you, Frank. I just don't believe you. Feel free to prove
me wrong... or not.
G. Morgan
=> Robert L. Bass <= wrote:
>> Everything I've posted in this group (and in others) has always started
>> with something
>> you've said...
>
>For example, I answer a technical question in ASA and you respond with crap.
He was nice enough not to say anything about that "autoformer" incident in CHA a
couple of weeks ago.
Frank Olson
>>>> Constantly referring to certain individuals
>>>> with the rather colourful nicks you've given
>>>> them isn't going to help matters...
>>>
>>> I don't really care. I'm finished trying to make
>>> peace with them. I'll do what I think is best
>>> and they will continue posting trash. You're
>>> free to do whatever you want.
>>
>> We're all "free". We all have "choice".
>
> Fine. You exercise your choice and I'll do the same.
Which will get you what?? And drag the Group where??
>
>> You can choose to follow the FAQ or not...
>
> Uh, this "FAQ" you keep referring to is completely ignored by almost
> everyone. You've violated the core of its precepts for years. You don't
> suddenly get eloected "Keeper of the FAQ" because you now say you're going
> to act nice.
I was never "running" for an office here. I simply want to see the Group
become the center of excellence it's still capable of being. Drop the chip
on your shoulder. No one slammed you the entire time of your absence a few
weeks ago. No one started slamming you again until you started "cracking"
comments. Treat others the way you expect to be treated and the flames will
stop. The FAQ *is* a valid document and speaks to a number of issues
participants here have with you. You hold yourself out as "different" from
the rest of the alarm professionals that post here because (you say) you're
not interested in RMR or getting involved in providing service. That's well
and good, but take a good look around the Group. It's comprised of the very
same people you often hold in disdain for practices in the industry that are
(to a large extent) no longer being used. Sure, there are still a few "zero
down" Dealers out there, but their success rate is limited and not one posts
here.
>
>> As long as *you* don't, no one else in the
>> group of individuals that you keep referring
>> to as the "IB" will either. There's ample
>> proof of what I say.
>
> There's ample proof that the IB will continue posting excrement regardless
> what I do.
That's utter nonsense. The "chip" is blinding you to the fact that nothing
of the sort happened during your month long "hiatus".
>
>>>> You *say* I have no right to ask you to do
>>>> anything because of my own past behaviour,
>>>> yet you "ask" things of me (later in your
>>>> post)...
>>>
>>> Those were conditions, not directives. *If*
>>> you want me to listen to your suggestions
>>> you need to first take some time proving
>>> you're sincere. You can post whatever you
>>> like, but if you want respect from me you
>>> have to earn it.
>>
>> I want nothing from you...
>
> Good. Then you won't be disappointed.
And this type of comment accomplishes what??
>
>> There are no conditions for my not posting
>> flames about (or against) you.
>
> Good, now run along and play nice. Get back to me in a few months.
While you continue along your "merry" way and the flames build higher??
>
>>> That is not true and you know it. Sabodish
>>> and Cracker (like you) have even followed
>>> me to other newsgroups, posting all kinds
>>> of trash when no one even mentioned them
>>> (or you).
>>
>> Really?? How about proving this statement??
>
> Do you deny that these jackasses, along with you, have repeatedly posted
> trash in other newsgroups where they had no interest other than to try to
> harass me? Get real!
Do *you* deny that you posted "trash" about me in several newsgroups I
didn't even participate in first?? Do *you* deny that your first response
to me in CHA contained considerable "invective"?
Heh... I'm looking for one particular thread that *I* started flaming you
in without provocation. Every thread you've suggested posted in a period
where we were exchanging flames in ASA. I've already admitted that a large
number of those flames "trickled over" into other threads. Your use of the
word "BullFrank" repeatedly resulted in exchanges between us. I have never
lied in this Group (or any other) and *you* have *never* been able to prove
otherwise.
>
>> Prove it. Post the Googles....
>
> See above.
Horse twaddle!
>
>> Everything I've posted in this group (and in others) has always started
>> with something
>> you've said...
>
> For example, I answer a technical question in ASA and you respond with
> crap.
>
>> Unfortunately I didn't just "stop" with the
>> one thread though...
>
> Actually, you've started most of it yourself. You've been told to stop by
> numerous third parties.
I admit I carried the animosity I held for you over into other threads where
your obvious arrogance rubbed me the wrong way. Reading through the entire
thread you posted below is a classic example. Telling someone (that's
designed a professional looking "home solution" wiring center) that it's
going to reduce the resale value of his house because it didn't include the
cabinetry (or the structured wiring solutions) you sell is one example of
how you rub people the wrong way, Robert.
>>> When I said nothing at all you didn't
>>> attack me for several weeks.
>>
>> Sort of proves what I've been saying all
>> along doesn't it??...
>
> Not in the least.
Where's my "two-by-four"?? :-))
>
>> I have never "attacked" without being
>> provoked first...
>
> That's a lie.
Nope. It isn't.
>
>> You've made continuous "swipes" at me with
>> one of your "pet phrases" ("BullFrank") when
>> I've *never* lied in this (or any other) Group...
>
> Tell us all again about your snap-roll of a 737 at 5000 AGL.
I never "snap-rolled" a 737 at *any* altitude. Cessna 150 "Aerobat" is the
only aircraft I've performed that maneuver in myself.
>
>>> However, during the previous several years
>>> you repeatedly attacked me and joined in
>>> the bashing from Jiminex, Cracker and a few
>>> other idiots. Now I'm supposed to listen to
>>> you? I don't think so.
>>
>> For years people have been telling you to
>> "straighten up and fly right"...
>
> Correction - For years a small group of idiots have tried to run me off
> with their abuse. Anyone else who objected they also tried to run off.
> You happily joined in with these morons.
I wonder who the bigger "moron" is... (no flame, just an observation)...
>
>> For years you've ignored them and the torrent
>> of abuse continues...
>
> Neither they nor you are in charge of anything. I will continue saying
> what I believe as I always have. I will also mention my online store when
> someone is looking for something I carry as I always have. If you don't
> like it that's your problem.
Yup. This is obviously going to continue to be a contentious issue. Expect
to get called on it. Expect that I will continue to post links to other
online solutions open to someone that is looking for the same things you
carry. Continue to expect Mike and the "others" to chime in with the "don't
buy from a felon" routine. Continue to expect to call ASA the "cesspool"
your actions (and other's reactions) make it. *You* have the power to
change things here. Your anger and hatred have built to such enormous
proportions, they blind you to everything around you including the
verifiable proof that during your absence, not one slur or aspersion was
cast your way. Keep up the "fight", Robert. You're doing an excellent
job!!
>
>> Does someone have to hit you over the head
>> with a "two-by-four" before you'll listen??...
>
> You may find that's not such a good idea. First you have to get close
> enough to hit me. The problem with that is I might be faster than you.
> Of course, you'll never know until you try.
Uh-huh... I was speaking "hypothetically"... But... do "go on"...
>
>>>> I don't give a fig whether-or-not you decide not
>>>> to flame me in the future. I've decided I ain't
>>>> gonna reciprocate regardless of what it is you
>>>> decide to do.
>>>
>>> Whoopee! Now prove you mean it.
>>
>> Sure... flame away, Robert... :-))
>
> That was not a flame. It was a challenge. You say you're now going to
> act like an adult. That's good. We'll see how sincere you are over the
> next few months.
Oh, I'm sincere alright...
>
>>>>> Ask someone else.
>>>>
>>>> As if that's going to get me any further...
>>>
>>> I'm not interested in what gets you any further.
>>> You chose to make yourself an enemy. If you
>>> say you want to change that's good. I'll believe
>>> you when I've seen proof.
>>
>> Uh-huh... I'm not the only one here that needs
>> an "attitude adjustment"...
>
> I didn't ask for your advice on my attitude but since you bring it up I'll
> tell you where it's at. You've been a total jackass for years.
As you have been.
> You've attacked me repeatedly in several newsgroups.
Yup. But only in response to something you'd said or done or as part of an
"ongoing flame fest". *You* were the one that made the derogatory remark
about me in the recumbent group, remember?? *You* dragged me in there. You
also made derogatory comments about me one of the security dealers groups (I
don't recall which one now, but I'd only posted there once and it didn't
even mention you).
> Despite your denials, you have done so without provocation numerous times
> and many other people have told you to stop.
See above.
> You have tried to interfere with my business. You filed a bogus complaint
> with the Florida authorities (which they dismissed out of hand).
First of all, the complaint wasn't "bogus". You've always held to your
interpretation of Florida Statutes. I saw things a little differently. You
see, in BC, you *can't* download or otherwise *service" an alarm system
without a license. The Florida Statutes are equally clear about the
"servicing" issue. I see *downloading* as *servicing*. I posted the
wording of my "complaint" in this forum for all to see. I did nothing
behind your back. Due to some technical issues with their website, the
Florida authorities never saw that complaint and I never followed up on it
either. Let's put that puppy to rest once and for all!!
> You've called my vendors.
I called ADI (that's *one* of your vendors with many offices in Florida). I
never mentioned your name, my name, or your business. I asked them what
they needed (from a Dealer in Florida) to set up an account. The responded
with "a Florida license". How was this "an attack on your business"??
> You've pestered manufacturers.
Your use of the "plural" in this instance is also deliberately misleading
(in fact, it's an outright lie). I called *one* manufacturer. DSC. You
were providing their panel downloanding software on your website *as a free
download*. This was in direct violation of their EULA, and their copyright.
You didn't have permission to do this, and they shut you down within
*minutes* (not hours) of my call. The person at DSC I spoke to thanked me
for the "heads up". That, and their subsequent actions to stop you is a
pretty clear indication that they didn't consider my call the least bit
"pestering".
> You've tried to harm my business any way you could.
I've always ensured DIYer's are given alternative links to those you
provide. I'm going to continue doing so as long as you feel the necessity
of "flogging" your online store here. The professionals here have made it
clear that blatant marketing of your products is not what this Group is
about.
>
> Now all of a sudden you claim you're a nice guy and you start telling me
> how I ought to act. Get real. You're in no position to tell me or anyone
> else how to behave. You say you've "seen the light." Good. Follow your
> shining star. Pardon me if I still think you're still FOS.
I *am* a "nice guy". I had an "epiphany" a few weeks ago... :-))
>
>> There are a number of others as well. Tell
>> you what... If Jim, Mike and Graham were
>> to stop posting nasty things about you what
>> would you do??
>
> The same thing I've been doing for years. I'd answer technical questions
> from others, post occasional humor and mention my site if someone asks for
> something I carry.
And you'll continue to make derogatory comments about your biggest
detractors... Right on, Robert!!! Go for it!!
>
>> How would you respond?? Continue posting
>> flames to see if they're "sincere"??
>
> I'm not flaming you, Frank. I just don't believe you. Feel free to prove
> me wrong... or not.
Well, you're wrong... again! :-))
Alarminex
<rober...@comcast.net> writes:
>Subject: Re: Napco p3200 2 wire fire
>From: "Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net>
>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 03:04:15 -0500
>
>
>> Does someone have to hit you over the head
>> with a "two-by-four" before you'll listen??...
>
>You may find that's not such a good idea. First you have to get close
>enough to hit me. The problem with that is I might be faster than you. Of
>course, you'll never know until you try.
>
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of the word "fast" You're ego is bigger than your waist line .............
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Hows the bike riding? Still living for the sight of food? How's the ol greasy
encased heart of you'rs? Keep right on a-eaten FAT BOY........ .....