Pull Station Height
ABLE_1
NFPA 72 says that the pull station should be mounted at 42-54" AFF
ADA says that the pull station should be mounted at 48" AFF
PA Title 34 Part 1 says between 36" and 44" AFF
So what does ANSI A117.1-2003 say???
I can't seem to find an exact reference to this listing.
Nick can you quote the section on this item???
Thanks in advance.
Les
ABLE_1
Well I was hoping that Nick was still on line but it seems that he is not.
So does anyone else have an answer to the question below??
It never ceases to amaze me that for every rule there seems to be a
different opinion.
TIA Les
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This is a question for Nick to help keep his brain functions working.
NFPA 72 says that the pull station should be mounted at 42-54" AFF
ADA says that the pull station should be mounted at 48" AFF
PA Title 34 Part 1 says between 36" and 44" AFF
So what does ICC ANSI A117.1-2003 say???
Crash Gordon
at 44 fff and the fhar marshall made us move them down...seemed ridiculous
to me since they could easily be blocked from view, besides looking dumb.
Sometimes this ADA stuff is really dumb...there's a Home Depot nearby that
has 22 freekin' handicapped parking spaces...22?!! Do that many handicapped
folks really drive to Home Depot with their 'Vettes to pickup 2 tons of
concrete??? I ask you!
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ABLE_1
That is just it the AHJ is specify ICC ANSI A117.1-2003 as the Bible for
the pull station mounting height. So I have been searching and the best I
can find (15 minutes ago) is a discussion group statement of 15" to 48" for
all devices.
So I could go and ask verbally the question of the AHJ but I would like to
read it for myself first. The AHJ seems to want to specify in writing the
paragraph with chapter and verse but simply does not give the body of text.
Any references to the ANSI A117.1-2003 would be helpful.
Thanks.
Les
RockyTSquirrel
NFPA guide line for placement of devices.
(my rule of thumb is to carry a copy of NFPA 72 and the states BC, when
asked by anyone AHJ's or Inspectors I reference the book , If thats not
good enough for them then I request they supply the readable reference
book.
Never had a problem after that)
RTS
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Robert L Bass
>
> Sometimes this ADA stuff is really dumb...there's a Home Depot nearby that
> has 22 freekin' handicapped parking spaces...22?!! Do that many handicapped
> folks really drive to Home Depot with their 'Vettes to pickup 2 tons of
> concrete??? I ask you!
A commercial client of ours in CT was a private sports club. They had indoor
and outdoor tennis courts, swimming pools and lots of other good stuff. One
day they were notified by an attorney representing a handicapped person in the
town who never even inquired about membership that they intended to file an
ADA suit against the club because there was no wheelchair access to the second
floor hand-ball court.
I might understand if the complainant was a member or had at least considered
membership that he might want to have access to the entire facility. However,
the handball courts had no spectator seating. I believe that handicapped
people should enjoy all of the opportunities that more fortunate folks do but
handball? I figured the complainant just wanted to hold them up. Sure
enough, before it came to court the attorney offered to settle for some
outrageous amount and drop the action entirely. The club owner smelled a rat
so he said, "No let's go to court." He lost. :(
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ABLE_1
but then I remembered that I have not had a cup of coffee for over 30 years
and decided I might just muck it up............
Robert L Bass
>
> I did a google search and only reference i could find was to use current
> NFPA guide line for placement of devices.
ADA says very little about alarm systems. The entire subject of fire alarms
is covered under ADA section 4.28 and a few appendix notes. Mostly it talks
about audible and visible notification appliance requirements. There is a
height requirement for alarms in elevator cars and some inspectors seem to
take that as being the requirement for pull stations as well. There are
references to NFPA72, to which ADA seems to accept as the standard for most
everything else.
Robert L Bass
>> NFPA guide line for placement of devices.
>
> ADA says very little about alarm systems. The entire subject of fire alarms
> is covered under ADA section 4.28 and a few appendix notes. Mostly it talks
> about audible and visible notification appliance requirements. There is a
> height requirement for alarms in elevator cars and some inspectors seem to
> take that as being the requirement for pull stations as well. There are
> references to NFPA72, to which ADA seems to accept as the standard for most
> everything else.
Oops! I meant to include the following:
Pull stations need to have unobstructed floor space for wheelchairs.
They must be installed at least 15" and not more than 48" above the finished
floor for forward access. If access is to the side, the requirement is not
lower than 9" nor higher than 54" above the floor.
The earlier post referenced the ADAAG (Guideline) which doesn't cover all the
details. Sorry for the confusion.
Robert L Bass
>
>I once considered spilling hot coffee on my lap............................
One of the reasons that McD lost that suit was they decided to *continue*
making the coffee very hot for marketing reasons (i.e., people like it that
hot) even after being notified that the woman had scalded herself. The courts
like to see some sign of corporate contrition when somebody gets hurt,
regardless if it's entirely the victim's fault.
Nym
>>> I did a google search and only reference i could find was to use
>>> current NFPA guide line for placement of devices.
>>
>> ADA says very little about alarm systems. The entire subject of fire
>> alarms is covered under ADA section 4.28 and a few appendix notes.
>> Mostly it talks about audible and visible notification appliance
>> requirements. There is a height requirement for alarms in elevator
>> cars and some inspectors seem to take that as being the requirement
>> for pull stations as well. There are references to NFPA72, to which
>> ADA seems to accept as the standard for most everything else.
>
> Oops! I meant to include the following:
>
> Pull stations need to have unobstructed floor space for wheelchairs.
> They must be installed at least 15" and not more than 48" above the
> finished floor for forward access. If access is to the side, the
> requirement is not lower than 9" nor higher than 54" above the floor.
>
> The earlier post referenced the ADAAG (Guideline) which doesn't cover
> all the details. Sorry for the confusion.
>
do with answering the question. geez what a putz.
ABLE_1
> They must be installed at least 15" and not more than 48" above the
> finished floor for forward access. If access is to the side, the
> requirement is not lower than 9" nor higher than 54" above the floor.
I wonder what an inspector would do if some tech mounted the pull station at
15" AFF???
ABLE_1
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> the question was ANSI requirement. none of that blather has anything to
> do with answering the question. geez what a putz.
Actually it does.
I have come to learn that ANSI is exactly the same as ADA. Which is what I
needed to know.
Les
Nym
where does it say that is bAss post?
ABLE_1
> where does it say that is bAss post?
There must be a loose connection. Your last transmission was garbled.
Must be a lot of static on the line. Say what???
Try typing s l o w l y and c l e a r l y and then re-read your post.
Seems that we all miss a word(s) now and then.
I don't know why I am explaining this since you all ready knew that, right??
Crash Gordon
that...and so on up to 54" or so....or maybe on Greenfield and move it
wherever they want on inspection day.
Ya know I always hated when the AHJ would never give a definitive answer
BEFORE the job, but on inspection day suddenly they know exactly where THEY
want it.
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Bob Worthy
"Robert L Bass" <Rober...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> A commercial client of ours in CT was a private sports club. They had
indoor
> and outdoor tennis courts, swimming pools and lots of other good stuff.
One
> day they were notified by an attorney representing a handicapped person in
the
> town who never even inquired about membership that they intended to file
an
> ADA suit against the club because there was no wheelchair access to the
second
> floor hand-ball court.
>
> I might understand if the complainant was a member or had at least
considered
> membership that he might want to have access to the entire facility.
However,
> the handball courts had no spectator seating. I believe that handicapped
> people should enjoy all of the opportunities that more fortunate folks do
but
> handball? I figured the complainant just wanted to hold them up. Sure
> enough, before it came to court the attorney offered to settle for some
> outrageous amount and drop the action entirely. The club owner smelled a
rat
> so he said, "No let's go to court." He lost. :(
This guy gets around. It wouldn't be the same guy and attorney that has been
making the news about the same type of legal action lately here in Florida
now would it? Your story sounds like it might be. If it is him, he has been
at it for what....10 err 12 err 15 years now. :o]
Frank Olson
> Here's what ya doo....install one starting at 15", then another at 12" abv
> that...and so on up to 54" or so....or maybe on Greenfield and move it
> wherever they want on inspection day.
>
> Ya know I always hated when the AHJ would never give a definitive answer
> BEFORE the job, but on inspection day suddenly they know exactly where THEY
> want it.
>
>
>
Mount it on a track so the height is adjustable to where-ever the
inspector of the day thinks it should be. :-)
Robert L Bass
>
> Robert L Bass wrote:
>>
>> Pull stations need to have unobstructed floor space for wheelchairs.
>> They must be installed at least 15" and not more than 48" above the
>> finished floor for forward access. If access is to the side, the
>> requirement is not lower than 9" nor higher than 54" above the floor.
>>
>> The earlier post referenced the ADAAG (Guideline) which doesn't cover all
>> the details. Sorry for the confusion.
>>
> the question was ANSI requirement. none of that blather has anything to do
> with answering the question. geez what a putz.
Well, yes. You certainly are, Cracker. However, you're wrong (as usual). The
ANSI standard looks to ADA and NFPA72. It does not create any additional
requirements. If you'd take your head out of that dark anatomical tunnel of
yours long enough to learn the trade instead of auto-posting moronic attacks
perhaps you'd know that.
Robert L Bass
>
> This guy gets around...
TTBOMK there are lawyers doing the same thing all over the country. It's
legalized theft.
Russell Brill
"Crash Gordon" <webm...@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in message
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> Here's what ya doo....install one starting at 15", then another at 12" abv
> that...and so on up to 54" or so....or maybe on Greenfield and move it
> wherever they want on inspection day.
>
> Ya know I always hated when the AHJ would never give a definitive answer
> BEFORE the job, but on inspection day suddenly they know exactly where
> THEY
> want it.
>
>
Robert L Bass
>
> This guy gets around...
ADA Consulting Firm Aims to End Cycle of ADA Lawsuit Abuse
Thursday, January 3, 2008
http://brandfaqs.blogspot.com/2008/01/ada-consulting-firm-aims-to-end-cycle.html
More than 14,000 ADA/access lawsuits have been filed in California in just the past few years by a small number of lawyers. Many firms have closed, dismissed employees or sought bankruptcy protection as a result.
http://www.adaabuse.com
Flood of ADA lawsuits irks small businesses
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20040912-9999-1n12litigant.html
Crash Gordon
much bullshit.
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Just Looking
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Frank Olson
>
> Well, yes. You certainly are, Cracker. However, you're wrong (as
> usual). The ANSI standard looks to ADA and NFPA72. It does not create
> any additional requirements. If you'd take your head out of that dark
> anatomical tunnel of yours long enough to learn the trade instead of
> auto-posting moronic attacks perhaps you'd know that.
>
You are the very LAST person I would seek any advice or information from
regarding either NFPA, NEC, ADA, or ANSI. You're the one that argued
that it's illegal to interconnect an AC smoke alarm to a home alarm
system (even after the NFPA section detailing you could was posted).
ISTR you also stated that connecting any fire detection device to a home
security system would turn it into a "listed fire alarm system". The
fact that you're a moron, a bully and a coward goes without saying.
Roland Moore
nothing wrong with that.
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Frank Olson
> Yes that all may be true, but he seems to be healthy now, and there is
> nothing wrong with that.
Unfortunately when he's "healthy" and "in the pink", he's at his most
obnoxious. Every thing's wrong with that.