ADT SPAM I got today
Stephen Wolf
FREE* ADT Home Security System
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Currently, any homeowner can receive:
1. Free* Security Review
2. Free* Home Security System
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per month ($743.76) (($29.99 with credit card or ACH) ($719.76)). Offer applies
to homeowners only. Local permit fees may be required. Satisfactory credit
history required. Certain restrictions may apply. Offer valid for new customers
only. Cannot be combined with any other offer.
West Palm Beach, FL
D. Wright
- Post with full headers in net.admin.net-abuse.sightings.
- Complain to the ISP(s) involved as well as ADT Corporate
If it continues discussing it net.admin.net-abuse.email may result in
them being black listed, even if it is ADT corporate themselves.
--
Dan Wright
Starwolf Systems
"Stephen Wolf" <stev...@aol.comFIRE> wrote in message
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Mark Leuck
"Stephen Wolf" <stev...@aol.comFIRE> wrote in message
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Roger W.
>From: "Mark Leuck" mle...@iadfw.net
>Date: 10/14/01 12:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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>I got that too
HEY! WHERES MINE? :-)
J. Sloud
>
>FREE* ADT Home Security System
Please either post the link or the email headers. I would love to
know where this orginated. Thanks.
John
J. Sloud
>I got that too
>
Mark, please post the email headers for the spam. I'll forward them
to ADT dealer management tomorrow.
John
Mark Leuck
Received: from mx3.airmail.net from [209.196.77.100] by mail.airmail.net
I didn't really mind getting it, kind of thought it was funny
"J. Sloud" <please...@nospam.null> wrote in message
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Tom Fowler
They didn't violate any ADT authorized dealer standards. If you don't want to
take them up on their offer just delete it. There's no need to try to get them
in trouble just for the sake of doing it. It's too bad that ADT and it's
employees treat their dealers like second class citizens.
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today
From: please...@nospam.null (J. Sloud)
Date: 10/14/01 11:32 AM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <3bc9da0a.148127497@news>
J. Sloud
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>Received: from mx3.airmail.net from [209.196.77.100] by mail.airmail.net
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>I didn't really mind getting it, kind of thought it was funny
The original poster made reference to a web page link, although he
didn't post the actual link. I wonder where that link takes you.
Since ADT has its own domain and mail servers, I'd assume any message
originating from ADT itself would resolve back to adt.com. For anyome
who is interested the given email host resolves to:
209.196.77.96 - 209.196.77.127
Enterprise Foundation
100 N. Central #1299
Dallas, TX 75201
US
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pine, Richard
efda...@CYBERRAMP.NET
214-651-7789
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J. Sloud
>WHY?
Because I hate spam.
Because I'd like to ask ADT dealer management whether or not they
condone spam.
Because what dealers do may indirectly affect me.
Because I can.
Because the sky's blue.
Enough reasons for you? ADT's corporate email policy specifically
prohibits spam. As someone who relies on email to communicate with my
customers, I have a vested interest in ADT's policies regarding the
use of electronic media.
John
D. Wright
tarnish a company's image.
Serious spammers have ethics that make trunk slammers look like
saints, and the MLM fools who spam and whine about their free speach
[sic] rights make Paul R look like a paragon of logic.
Your AOL bill is 10-15% higher than it would have to be due to spam.
Spam is not the electronic equivalent of junk mail since the cost of
it is not born by the sender, but by the receivers and carriers. It
is theft by conversion of chattel. That is reason enough for John to
take it to his management. Companies in the security business should
not be thieves or tolerate affiliates who are.
--
Dan Wright
Starwolf Systems
"Tom Fowler" <tfowl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Robert L Bass
Tom Fowler
From: please...@nospam.null (J. Sloud)
Message-id: <3bc9fb32.156616378@news>
tfowl...@aol.com (Tom Fowler) wrote:
>WHY?
>Because I hate spam.<
You weren't the recipient.
>Because I'd like to ask ADT dealer management whether or not they
condone spam.<
The ADT dealer can send that ad if he or she so chooses. When Steve Gribbon
tells you that the ad was written by ADT will you still be upset? The ad was
written by ADT. It's a standard internet ad right from the playbook.
>Because what dealers do may indirectly affect me.<
How? You deal with large commercial jobs. I doubt the owner of a business will
be turned off because an ADT dealer sent an ad via e-mail. You're stretching
John.
Maybe when the employees of the branch stop thinking of authorized dealers as
being lower on the food chain the branch will be able to focus on their own
dirty laundry and not have to sub the work out to the same dealers they
ridicule.
>Because I can.<
So you will try to prevent an ADT dealer from promoting his or her business
even though those same deals they would procure would DIRECTLY benefit ADT?
>Because the sky's blue.<
Battleship grey here today.
>Enough reasons for you?<
You summed it up pretty good.
>ADT's corporate email policy specifically
prohibits spam.<
Dealers are NOT corporate and DON'T have to run their business by corporate's
guidlines.
> As someone who relies on email to communicate with my
customers, I have a vested interest in ADT's policies regarding the
use of electronic media.<
That's nice. It's an authorized dealer advertising and NOT ADT. You also have a
vested interest in ADT's bottom line. The dealer has a vested interest in his
ad. If Steve Gribbon thought e-mail ads would hurt ADT you can bet he wouldn't
have signed off on them. Good luck getting him on the phone John.
I wasn't flaming you John and I wasn't replying with sarcasm. I think it would
be nice if the employees of ADT stopped acting as if the dealers were the
enemy.
Tom
Tom Fowler
Do you honestly believe that this particular dealer sent the ad KNOWING
it was a so called internet crime? You might know about it but that's because
you're an internet "guru". John Q. Public doesn't have the knowledge you do
when it comes to th net so by calling this dealer a crook is pretty strong.
There are folks that post here who spam daily. They flood newsgroups with their
ads and nobody squawks. Your pal in Sarasota is pretty high on the list for
newsgroup spam (or at least he was when Jake posted the results of his spam
search). If I had sent that e-mail ad I doubt it would have been posted. Why?
Because I am not ADT. There are many here that hate anything about ADT so no
matter what it is they will attack it if it has the "blue and white stop sign
logo" on it.
Say hey to GOAB.
Tom
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today
From: "D. Wright" d...@starwolfsystems.com
Date: 10/14/01 2:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <9qctf4$cab$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>
D. Wright
> Dan,
> Do you honestly believe that this particular dealer sent the
ad KNOWING
> it was a so called internet crime?
Email spamming is a crime in a few states, and is not just a so called
internet crime or abuse of the net. At the bottom of some spam is a
disclaimer about how they did not mean to send it to your if your are
located in certain states...those laws are why. Even unknowing theft
is still theft.
> You might know about it but that's because you're an internet
> "guru". John Q. Public doesn't have the knowledge you do
> when it comes to th net so by calling this dealer a crook is pretty
strong.
Not really. Email spam = theft.
> There are folks that post here who spam daily. They flood newsgroups
with their
> ads and nobody squawks. Your pal in Sarasota is pretty high on the
list for
> newsgroup spam (or at least he was when Jake posted the results of
his spam
> search).
Usenet spam is different that email spam. RLB's BI has never
exceeded 20 to my knowledge. Remember that an accurate BI is not
calculated by the sol.net report, just total posts over groups per
time interval.
> If I had sent that e-mail ad I doubt it would have been posted. Why?
> Because I am not ADT. There are many here that hate anything about
ADT so no
> matter what it is they will attack it if it has the "blue and white
stop sign
> logo" on it.
That could well be true. I have no feelings about ADT one way or the
other though one of their local dealers has been contributing nicely
to our new spinnaker fund. I have strong feelings about spam and send
complaints on everyone I get. If I were to receive a spam from a
private alarm dealer, their ISP and bandwidth provider would hear from
me.
I looked in news.admin.net-abuse.sightings and did not find the spam
there. That most likely means that it was not wide spread enough to
land in an anti-spammer's mailbox. ADT and/or the dealer may get a
pass on this one.
Dan
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Group Moderator
I got that too
Mike Said
Should have bought it :)
Mike, Sr.
Alarm Services Inc.(NJ)
Group Moderator
http://www.AlarmServicesInc.Com
On-Line Alarm Store
See the **NEW** Goofy WebSite (Bass Blown Electronics)
http://www.GoofysPlace.Com
Robert L Bass
Ignore this troll. He knows full well that he's lying -- that I've never
spammed via Usenet or E-Mail. He read the severe thrashing that his pal,
Ashbury received from several other folks when he falsely accused me of spamming
a while back.
It's not as though Fowler is some disinterested party. He has been operating
illegally in Connecticut for some time now. I challenged him on it so he
regularly posts false accusations against my business. When I have challenged
him to produce a single shred of evidence in support of his malicious claims, he
has invariably ducked and tried to change the topic. He'll do the same with
this nonsense. too.
RLB
"D. Wright" <d...@starwolfsystems.com> wrote in message
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: "Tom Fowler" <tfowl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Graeme McKenzie
"Robert L Bass" <Rober...@home.com> wrote in message
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> It's not as though Fowler is some disinterested party. He has been
operating
> illegally in Connecticut for some time now.
Show your proof, we have heard all this before. repeating it doesn't make
it so.
Graeme McKenzie
J. Sloud
Tom,
I spend far too much of my time defending dealers and their practices.
You're right, I do deal with large commercial accounts, but those
large companies are run by people like you and me. I can't tell you
how many times I've had to explain to one of my customers why their
dinner was interrupted by some ADT dealer door knocking in their
neighborhood. The worse cases are when my customers have actually
bought a dealer installed system, and have had problems of some sort.
All the customer knows is that they have an ADT system in their home
and it doesn't work, there are billing problems, or the dealer doesn't
service the customer like he should. Spam is just another "problem"
for me. If one of my customers receives a spam email from ADT, who is
he going to complain to? If I'm bidding on a job, and the owner gets
that spam email, who is going to lose that bid?
My main reason, though, is that I hate spam. I've been using the
internet, in one form or another, since the late 1980's. I've been
reading Usenet since the early 1990's. The newsgroups and email (to a
point) have become a dumping ground for spammers pushing their crap on
the www. The result is that news servers and email servers don't have
enough storage space for all of the data. Two things happen: the time
that messages are stored before being purged is cut and ISPs must
provide more storage which means more servers and more cost.
Everytime you receive spam, you are writing a check to your ISP to
support the spammer.
John
Jack Stevens
--
Jack Stevens
alarman2000.nospam.yahoo.com
remove nospam. to reply
"Robert L Bass" <Rober...@home.com> wrote in message
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Tom Fowler
You would have better luck talking Swahili to me. You should know by now
that I am the most uneducated person alive when it comes to how the internet
operates (bet we see this sentence posted over and over again in a flame LOL).
I'm not ashamed by my lack of knowledge on "bandwidth" or "sol.net.report". If
you have an Idiot's Guide to the Net link somewhere in your possession I would
appreciate it if you posted it. Maybe after reading it I can follow your
conversation and have a clue as to what you're discussing : )
My point was that there are quite a few people just like me who use the net. I
would never have guessed that spam was a crime being I get spammed by everyone
from The Hartford Group to Verizon Wireless (even AOL spams me). Asking those
companies to stop is like peeing in the wind because they never stop. I always
thought spam was just an annoyance sent by scams that the ISP's were trying to
crack down on.
I always learn something new from your posts and I thank you for that.
I'm not weighing words when I say this but you stated that junk mail doesn't
cost anyone but the companies that send it. You're wrong. It costs everyone.
The cost of sending junk mail is passed on to consumers.
Could you explain the difference between Usenet spam and e-mail spam in
"layman's terms"? Thanks in advance.
Tom
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today
From: "D. Wright" d...@starwolfsystems.com
Date: 10/14/01 10:24 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <9qdoed$e9a$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>
Robert L Bass
"Jack Stevens" <alarm...@home.com> wrote in message
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: Funny, he seems a lot more believable to me that you do.
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Tom Fowler
If ADT did ONE simple little thing I honestly believe the end user
wouldn't be confused. ADT should NOT let the dealer's call themselves ADT. The
guidelines already say they can't but we all know that they do. When I was
managing for the local dealer I remember the area rep calling a dealer in
Boston on speakerphone. The Boston dealer answered the phone "Thanks for
calling ADT". The area rep didn't say word one to him. The area rep gets paid
based on the number of systems installed by the dealers in his territory. The
area reps know that if the dealers say they are ADT that they will get into
more homes. Steve Gribbon isn't ignorant to this either. Steve gets paid based
on number of installs too. He knows the problem is out there. ADT knows the
problem is out there. They also know they make more money if they turn a blind
eye to the problem.
This problem doesn't only involve reps at the branch who lose deals due to
confusion but it also involves reps at the dealerships who lose referrals to
the Jacksonville Call Center. A referral will call ADT before they call "John's
Alarm".
"John's Alarm" should say they offer ADT services. Circuit City doesn't
advertise their business as SONY because they sell SONY products. "John's
Alarm" shouldn't advertise as being ADT.
Nothing will ever be done about it because those with the power to make the
change will take a pay cut if they do it. It's that simple.
Now watch as 300 dealers reply saying they never call themselves ADT : )
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today
From: please...@nospam.null (J. Sloud)
Date: 10/15/01 5:33 AM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <3bcad50e.53591902@news>
Jacob Ashbury
"Robert L Bass" <Rober...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ignore this troll. He knows full well that he's lying -- that I've never
> spammed via Usenet or E-Mail. He read the severe thrashing that his pal,
> Ashbury received from several other folks when he falsely accused me of
spamming
> a while back.
Really?
Where was this at? Fowler and I aren't pals, we see many things the same
way. Leuck and I aren't pals, we just - - - -
The list is long.
I suppose this bullshit thrashing you (Bass) are referring to appeared when
I wasn't here?
I did a google search and found nothing. What is this Bass/Goofy/Sarasota
Sam/ Danny/ etc.
Bass, you did spam and you where brought to the light for doing so. Even
your spam-report buddy couldn't side-step that for you.
You also were publicly whipped for deleting other peoples posts- I still
laugh at your explanation that some poor @home employee told you it was O.K.
It is never "O.K."
Fowler is correct, as usual. Like his words or not the messages are spot
on. Agree with his views or not he is truthful. some things you Bass have
missed out on in your wrecking of NGs.
(Jake) Ashbury
J. Sloud
>John,
> If ADT did ONE simple little thing I honestly believe the end user
>wouldn't be confused. ADT should NOT let the dealer's call themselves ADT.
Why else would Jo Bubba's Alarm Shack want to become an ADT dealer?
Sales from name recognition is the biggest benefits stressed by ADT to
potential dealers. The weirdest part about the whole thing is that
you've got a corporate residential program that competes for the same
jobs as the dealers. How do you explain that to a customer?
Especially, when the dealer does zero-down and the corp. resi rep must
get a couple hundred bucks for the same equipment. The newset local
authorized dealer in this area has 3 or 4 vans pastered with "ADT
Special Promotions Department - Free Home Security Systems." Nowhere
on the vans is the dealer's name shown. They can be seen every single
day invading area neighborhoods at dinner time.
Robert L Bass
companies. Perhaps they'd be interested in a story "subterfuge in the alarm
industry" featuring this character. Hmm. I wonder who runs the local TV
station near MIlf... oh, never mind. :)
"J. Sloud" <please...@nospam.null> wrote in message
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Stephen Wolf
Subj: Security will give you peace of mind!
Date: 10/14/2001 8:48:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: a...@vmadmin.com
Reply-to: mailc...@virtumundo.com (MailCenter)
To: stev...@aol.com
West Palm Beach, FL
Tom Fowler
From: please...@nospam.null (J. Sloud)
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tfowl...@aol.com (Tom Fowler) wrote:
>John,
> If ADT did ONE simple little thing I honestly believe the end user
>wouldn't be confused. ADT should NOT let the dealer's call themselves ADT.
>Why else would Jo Bubba's Alarm Shack want to become an ADT dealer?<
The 41 multiple that ADT advertises (even though it's closer to a 28)
>Sales from name recognition is the biggest benefits stressed by ADT to
potential dealers.<
The funny thing is Monitronics implores it's dealers to use their own name
rather than the Monitronics name so the dealer doesn't lose his/her identity in
the marketplace.
>The weirdest part about the whole thing is that
you've got a corporate residential program that competes for the same
jobs as the dealers. How do you explain that to a customer?<
It's hysterical to listen to sales reps from the branch and reps from dealers
when they are in on the same job. Dealers say ADT corporate only leases systems
which means the client gets a lower grade system (even though both use the same
in MANY areas) while the branch rep pitches being the REAL ADT (as opposed to
the fake one).
>Especially, when the dealer does zero-down and the corp. resi rep must
get a couple hundred bucks for the same equipment.<
By same token the branch can lease additional equipment for much less than the
dealer can sell it for.
> The newset local
authorized dealer in this area has 3 or 4 vans pastered with "ADT
Special Promotions Department - Free Home Security Systems." Nowhere
on the vans is the dealer's name shown. They can be seen every single
day invading area neighborhoods at dinner time.
<
This is what I mean when I say the area reps turn a blind eye to this false
advertising. If the ADT dealer rep in your area has never seen those vans then
I'm the Pope.
Totally off the topic but now I am watching COPS on TV and they just busted a
guy shoplifting from a supermarket. They just frisked the guy and found
everything from beef jerky to butter LOL. The guy's coat looks like a deli
case.
Just needed to share that.
Eeeasy
I just hope I get some of those leads! We interupted 127 dinners
tonite and wrote 8 new installation orders. It was worth it. At least
those 8 think so. God Bless America and free enterprise! By the way,
I saw Steve this past weekend in Denver and he is now Vice President
of ALL ADT residential sales. Notice the new "call your local
authorized dealer" tag on all new corporate ( 42 million dollars
worth) of TV and print ads this year. We have been legitimized! The
new VP of authorized dealers is Bill Barnes a great golfer I
understand and a darned snappy dresser too.
Bob
On 16 Oct 2001 03:39:29 GMT, stev...@aol.comFIRE (Stephen Wolf)
wrote:
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"Eeeasy" <payand...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I just hope I get some of those leads! We interupted 127 dinners
> tonite and wrote 8 new installation orders. It was worth it.
Meanwhile, 119 out of those 127 people want you to eat shit and die.
You think it's "worth it" to annoy 94% of the people you called so you can
make a couple of sales. Well, fuck all of you goddamn telemarketers!
You're worse than spammers.
I look forward to the day when there's a nationwide "do not call" list,
which is rigorously enforced.
Meanwhile, the only reason telemarketing and spamming work is that a small
percentage of the population actually humors these assholes by buying
something from them. That only encourages them, and the rest of us have to
suffer for it.
Robert L Bass
some moron telemarketer from Milford called his home repeatedly. This was
despite the fact that he told the caller *repeatedly* that he was not interested
and to *please* stop calling. He finally resorted to leaving his phone off the
hook during dinner. Despicable!
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: "Eeeasy" <payand...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Tom Fowler
call the ghetto. You couldn't make friends in a rat's nest if you were a chunk
of cheese you weirdo. Did anybody ever tell you that you're about as worthless
as a 1 legged man at an ass kicking contest? Do the world a favor and hold your
breath until further notice jackass.
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
From: "Robert L Bass" Rober...@home.com
Date: 10/16/01 11:19 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <Dx8z7.113257$kK3.3...@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com>
Tom Fowler
there are telemarketers. Who else would call a loony like you?
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
From: bad...@freedom.net
Date: 10/16/01 10:12 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <tsq1a0f...@corp.supernews.com>
bad...@freedom.net
> Telemarketers don't have the right to earn a living?
No, they don't, not when they annoy and harass other people.
Telemarketers should all get into a more honorable line of work, like
selling used cars, practicing law, or operating Ponzi schemes.
Britt Bratt
out how to become a dealer for your products!
I thought I was really offering my customers the best possible protection
with my LoxxBoxx, but boy, was I stupid.
Britt Bratt
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tampabaybob
Oh, you misunderstand. We didn't call 127 people for 8 sales. That
would be a record without a doubt. We door knocked for those grateful
customers that can have a security system installed at a price they
can afford. We telemarketed about 1080 people yesterday for a total of
7 leads. No results on those yet but I expect 50% sales as is common.
God Bless America and the free enterprise system. Lovin the business!
Mark Leuck
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Mark Leuck
"tampabaybob" <bob....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> Oh, you misunderstand. We didn't call 127 people for 8 sales. That
> would be a record without a doubt. We door knocked for those grateful
> customers that can have a security system installed at a price they
> can afford. We telemarketed about 1080 people yesterday for a total of
> 7 leads. No results on those yet but I expect 50% sales as is common.
> God Bless America and the free enterprise system. Lovin the business!
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:22:22 -0500, "Britt Bratt"
I've now been home for almost an hour and so far I've had a telemarketer
call informing me II qualify for a Capital One credit card and another
wanting to sell insurance, I get calls on saturday, sunday, late at night
etc. I'm sure I'll get at least a couple more tonight. sometimes calling to
tell them to quit works, sometimes it make it worse. having them put you on
a do not call list works except for every 1 you do it to another 100 are
getting ready to call you in the future. Sometimes its a recording,
sometimes if you answer a recording says "sorry wrong number" when you know
IF you didn't answer it would instead be another recording.
There is a reason why people now have privacy managers, just yesterday
someone came out with a "Telesmart" device that fools the telemarketing
computer into thinking your phone is disconnected. These devices aren't made
because people love these calls.
I think ALL telemarketers (except for charities) are nothing but vile
sub-human pests who should be outlawed
J. Sloud
>
> We door knocked for those grateful customers that can have a security system installed at a price they
>can afford.
Thank God for gated communities and no solicitation policies. Makes
me glad we just got into the automatic gate business. On the other
hand ... umm, keep up the good work, I guess it helps my stock.
John
Eeeasy
said no spitting!" We have our best success in "no soliciting" areas
because no one else goes there and we seek them out. They are grateful
and we often get members of the board as customers that turn a blind
eye while we are there. God Bless America and free enterprise! I love
this country!
On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:53:15 -0500, "Mark Leuck" <mle...@iadfw.net>
wrote:
Robert L Bass
deed restricted community. Not even religious zealots (who I don't actually
mind) come around.
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Tom Fowler
thousand times Bass.... NOBODY MARKETS THE GHETTO....
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
From: "Robert L Bass" Rober...@home.com
Date: 10/17/01 8:20 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <E%qz7.3020$06....@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com>
Tom Fowler
company wouldn't have 50% of the subscribers it has if it wasn't for
telemarketers. Our industry as a whole wouldn't be as large as it is if it
wasn't for telemarketers.
Do you think they go to work hoping some ding dong calls them a name and hangs
up on them?
You might want to re-evaluate the alarm company food chain and see where the
real business is generated from. I can guarantee you it's NOT the tech
department.
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
From: "Mark Leuck" mle...@iadfw.net
Date: 10/17/01 5:03 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <FE2F9176898C677F.B3CA30CC...@lp.airnews.net>
Tom Fowler
Where does ADT corporate get the majority of it's residential installs
from? Last time I checked it was from door knocking. Do you cold call clients
too or do the reps in ADT's Commercial division just sit back and wait for the
phone to ring? I guess you've never canvassed businesses. Did you start on the
residential side or were you on the commercial side from day one? Just curious.
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
From: please...@nospam.null (J. Sloud)
Date: 10/17/01 5:22 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <3bce218f.95804139@news>
Tom Fowler
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
From: "Robert L Bass" Rober...@home.com
Date: 10/17/01 7:45 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <Yuqz7.2965$06....@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com>
VSS DOUG
from?. I don't know the figures but I'd hazard a guess that close to half of
the accounts monitored by Monitronics or any other large national company
originate from telemarketing, talk about biting the hand that feeds.
Doug L
Mark wrote
Britt Bratt
Britt Bratt <newsgr...@brittsandusky.com> wrote in message
news:3bcdf...@newsa.ev1.net...
> Wow, I have been in the security industry for 10 years, and OMG! I must
find
> out how to become a dealer for your products!
>
> I thought I was really offering my customers the best possible protection
> with my LoxxBoxx, but boy, was I stupid.
>
> Britt Bratt
The above was supposed to be a reply to another message.
Jim Rojas
or else...
I like my purple house on the Florida prarie...my neighbors hate the
color... :)
Jim Rojas
"Tom Fowler" <tfowl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jim Rojas
on my front door.
Jim Rojas
"Tom Fowler" <tfowl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Robert L Bass
ours. A boat in the driveway or a motor home in the side yard would be a no-no.
What you don't get in these little enclaves is a lot of door-to-door solicitors.
I've met several of the neighbors already and they seem a friendly bunch. One
has even offered to help me with the gardens (no green thumb here).
Jim Rojas wrote:
:
: Deed Restricted communities are run like little communist
Tom Fowler
neighbor's house looks like a Candy Cottage from a Christmas scene...... Drives
me nuts : )
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
From: "Jim Rojas" jro...@tech-man.com
Date: 10/17/01 10:41 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <_3tz7.632$le.10...@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net>
Tom Fowler
on your door again.
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
From: "Jim Rojas" jro...@tech-man.com
Date: 10/17/01 10:41 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <14tz7.633$le.10...@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net>
Mark Leuck
And as I suspected I got some moron wanting to sell another credit card and
on my answering machine another (a recording) advertising a lawyer, that one
I've repeatedly tried getting them to stop but it has no effect, they are
pond scum. If I want the service they advertise I'll ask for it, I see
enough advertising on TV, Radio and billboards but don't bother me in my own
home!
"VSS DOUG" <vss...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jim Rojas
Jim Rojas
"Tom Fowler" <tfowl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Group Moderator
No Deed = TENTS
Mike, Sr.
Alarm Services Inc.(NJ)
Group Moderator
http://www.AlarmServicesInc.Com
" The Only On-Line Alarm Store You Will Ever Need "
See the **NEW** Goofy WebSite (Bass Blown Electronics)
http://www.GoofysPlace.Com
Group Moderator
scene...... rives me nuts : )
MIke Said:
Your neighbors house is WHITE.
Put the Bong away......
Bob La Londe
> Take an ADT yard sign and plunk it down on your lawn. I doubt they will
knock
> on your door again.
Are you kidding? When I was just a sales grunt I would look for our
customer's signs. Under the guise of asking how they were doing and how
everything was working I would ask for leads.
Got lots of add-ons and after the sale upsells that way too from existing
customers. The tech guys hated me though because I wrote a service ticket
on every customer complaint as well.
Group Moderator
In my neighbohood you'd be arrested for trespassing.
Mike Said:
Poor Neighbors....Did you give them a copy of "The Testimony" by Robert L.
(Lunatic) Bass
********************************************"The " The Testimony"
I thought you might be interested to know that one of your competitors, Robert
L Bass (me) of Bass Home Electronics, is also a born again Christian. I saw
your post in the news group and decided to visit your site to see what you
sell.
Actually, I was intending to check your prices since a prospective client had
told me you charge less than I do on a couple of items. I wondered about the
reason your I thought you might be interested to know that one of your
competitors, Robert L Bass (me) of Bass Home Electronics, is also a born again
Christian. I saw your post in the news group and decided to visit your site to
see what you sell.
Actually, I was intending to check your prices since a prospective client had
told me you charge less than I do on a couple of items. I wondered about the
reason your company's name is "Alpha & Omega," since it is one of the names of
God. Boy was I happy to find out!
I read your testimony and was glad to hear of the change Jesus has made in your
life. I, too, have had a drastic turn-around in my life after meeting Jesus
Christ.
In brief, I grew up in a loving home with good, honest parents. But I was
always the rebel. I fought constantly with my brothers and sisters, the kids in
school and most of all with any form of authority. By the end of seventh grade
my parents could no longer control me. They sent me to a private school for
troubled youth in New Hampshire. It cost all they had to ty to help me.
Soon I got into a fight and stabbed a classmate. I was 13 years old then. I
spent the next four and a half years locked up, all the while building a rage
inside me against everyone around me.
At age 17 I was released and came home to live with my family. In a few months
I dropped out of the school my parents had enrolled me in, moved to Grenwich
Village in New York City and joined the "hippy" scene. That was 1969. I spent
the next 10 years on drugs, wandering around the country, in and out of jails
on many felony charges.
I wrecked several cars, destroyed the lives of anyone who tried to help me and
caused the death of an innocent woman in a car wreck in Missouri. Still I had
no clue how to change my life.
In Florida my road to destruction finally came to the brink. Convicted of
multiple felonies and facing many years in prison, I was about to go right down
the drain forever. With the "winning" personality I had developed, I got in
some fights in the jail as I awaited the sentence. I was charged as a "Habitual
Felon" and faced 35 years to life. It was finally over...
And then God did a miracle. He sent a man into the jail all the way up to the
solitary block where I was being kept due to fighting. This man brought the
message that someone still cared about me. That there is a God and that He
really loves me -- just as I am.
That night I got down and prayed an honest prayer of repentance for the first
time in my life. I asked Jesus Christ to come into my life and to enable me to
deal with the terrible prison sentence I was expecting. I didn't dare dream of
ever being set free. I was certain I would not live 35 years in the Florida
prison system. Too many other convicts hated me and wanted to see me dead.
But God had a plan for my life. A glorious plan of redemption, freedom and joy
in the Holy Spirit! Three months later the judge allowed me to go to a
Christian drug treatment facility in Hartford, CT. There I spent nearly two
years, first as a student in the program and later as a volunteer staff member
helping others learn to follow Jesus as I had.
Well it's been 18 years since I was set free from prison and 18 years since I
was set free from the bonds of death and destruction that I had wrapped around
my life. God has never failed me. Jesus has given me two wonderful children and
a lovely wife. In fact, both of my boys have been called into missions. Praise
God!
And just to show the world that Jesus can and does really change lives
completely... He has given me a burglar alarm business. I was a thief and a con
man. But Jesus has enabled me to protect the homes, lives and businesses of
over a thousand people in Connecticut. And now He is helping me build a
national security business over the Internet.
Sometimes I think God really has a great sense of humor, too. You see, some of
the people whose homes I protect are judges, police officers and attorneys.
Several good friends of mine are state police officers. Even a federal judge
has entrusted me with his safety. I have key safes with about 300 keys to homes
and businesses and God knows he had made me into a man who wouldn't even think
of abusing that trust. Isn't He wonderful?
I will encourage you to never stop seeking Him. Keep sharing your testimony
with anyone who will listen, my friend. And as God gives you opportunities to
speak for His glory, you go right on and obey Him.
In His Service,
RLBass
/===================================\
| Robert L Bass |
| Bass Home Electronics |
| 80 Bentwood Road |
| West Hartford, CT 06107 |
| (860) 561-2020 voice |
| (860) 521-2143 fax |
| alar...@BassHome.com |
| http://www.Icentral.com/alarm1 |
| CT State License: 00106011 |
\===================================/
Bob La Londe
Group Moderator <alarm...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20011018015335...@mb-cr.aol.com...
> Tom F Wrote: My neighbor's house looks like a Candy Cottage from a
Christmas
> scene...... rives me nuts : )
>
> MIke Said:
> Your neighbors house is WHITE.
> Put the Bong away......
That was funny. Kinda like a slice of balogna in the toe of your shoe. It
just "feels" funny.
Mark Leuck
"Bob La Londe" <alarm_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fguz7.816$Hj1.13...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
Exactly how do you know what a slice of balogna in the toe of your show
feels like? :)
Graeme McKenzie
knockers. Therefore, I don't sell that way. I don't class it as legitimate
advertising and it bugs me that they can't earn a living without harassing
me or others.
Graeme McKenzie
"Mark Leuck" <mle...@iadfw.net> wrote in message
news:F31D2A23244AD933.6DFC0B24...@lp.airnews.net...
Group Moderator
Exactly how do you know what a slice of balogna in the toe of your show
feels like? :)
Mike Said;
How about a carrot up your orfice
Bob La Londe
I grew up cutting meat in my mom's grocery store. I don't even want to
think about what may have wound up in my shoe.
J. Sloud
>John,
> Where does ADT corporate get the majority of it's residential installs
>from? Last time I checked it was from door knocking.
Could be. I don't know, I've never sold anything door to door.
However, I'll talk to anyone who has the courage to approach me. I
doubt anyone enjoys being bothered to buy something they have no
interest in. My problem with "canvassing" is that it projects a bad
image. One sales rep calling on a few houses is completely different
than pulling a van into a neighborhood with flashing yellow lights,
and using 10 reps to bang on every door in the neighborhood. I've
said before that I think ADT should either drop the dealer program or
drop the corporate residential division.
> Do you cold call clients too or do the reps in ADT's Commercial
>division just sit back and wait for the phone to ring?
I very rarely "cold call" anymore. Of course, cold calling a business
is much different than knocking on someones door at home. If I do
solicit business, its usually on new construction where the owner/
contractor welcomes bids. Most of my business comes from an existing
base of customers and contacts within the construction business.
> I guess you've never canvassed businesses. Did you start on the
>residential side or were you on the commercial side from day one? Just curious.
I started in the commercial side. I've got an electronics background
and a background in sales. This business allowed me to combine the
two. I'd never sell residential or small commercial simply because it
doesn't interest me. I do respect the people who do, however.
John
Robert L Bass
system. We got two separate calls at once while we were having supper (of
course). I punched "conference" and let them talk to each other. :)
"Graeme McKenzie" <mckenz...@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
news:3bce777e$1...@clear.net.nz...
: Exactly! I make a point of never buying from telemarketers or door
: >
:
:
:
Jack Stevens
recorded messages that call. You can't tell them not to call back, and
their caller ID is blocked. The number they give you to call is just
answered by another machine. Then there are the junk faxes, but that's for
another thread.
--
Jack Stevens
alarman2000.nospam.yahoo.com
remove nospam. to reply
"Mark Leuck" <mle...@iadfw.net> wrote in message
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Robert L Bass
numbers in sequence. The machine constantly dials numbers in sequence. If it
hears the "busy signal" tone after dialing it hangs up and dials the next
number. When it hears ringing the call is queued to the first open
telemarketer's station. The purpose is to eliminated wasted operator time
(ignoring the fact that they are there to waste *your* time) spent dialing and
waiting to connect to a human.
There are a couple of companies that have made devices to beat these auto-dialer
systems. The device picks up the line, sends back a very short busy signal and
then sends back more "line ringing" tones while ringing the house phones. The
machine will hang up immediately, but a legitimate caller will continue waiting
until you pick up the phone.
I have no idea what the devices cost or where to obtain one. If I find them I
might just buy one.
"Jack Stevens" <alarm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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: I have to agree. It is an intrusion; the ones I really hate are the
: > >
: > >
: >
: >
:
:
bad...@freedom.net
"Robert L Bass" <Rober...@home.com> wrote in message
news:VgFz7.5064$06.2...@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com...
> There are a couple of companies that have made devices to beat these
auto-dialer
> systems. The device picks up the line, sends back a very short busy
signal and
> then sends back more "line ringing" tones while ringing the house phones.
The
> machine will hang up immediately, but a legitimate caller will continue
waiting
> until you pick up the phone.
As I understand it, it's even cooler than that. It doesn't play a busy
signal; it plays that weird three-tone sequence you hear when you dial a
number that's been disconnected. Supposedly, the auto-dialers are
programmed to recognize this tone and flag the number as out of service, so
it won't call it again. I haven't personally tested one of these, but it
sounds like a cute idea. Of course, each telemarketer still will call you
once, but hopefully they won't call again.
Tom Fowler
From: please...@nospam.null (J. Sloud)
Message-id: <3bcecff1.3188006@news>
tfowl...@aol.com (Tom Fowler) wrote:
>John,
> Where does ADT corporate get the majority of it's residential installs
>from? Last time I checked it was from door knocking.
>Could be.<
It is. ADT even has contests to see who lands the most deals.
>I don't know, I've never sold anything door to door.<
It's absolutely the most difficult method of sales for those lacking strong
sales ability.
Self generated deals in a one call close enviroment is how I "cut my teeth" in
sales and I am very fortunate to have come up that way because it makes every
other method seem like order taking. Those that have door to door experience
know exactly what I mean.
>However, I'll talk to anyone who has the courage to approach me.<
I wouldn't chase away a guy trying to hand me money either : )
> I
doubt anyone enjoys being bothered to buy something they have no
interest in.<
You're right. Many people have zero interest in what is being offered BEFORE
you even offer it. Sometimes you flip their thinking and sometimes you get
asked to leave. It's a numbers game. It's the few that "always wanted one but
never knew they could afford it" that make it all worthwhile.
> My problem with "canvassing" is that it projects a bad
image. One sales rep calling on a few houses is completely different
than pulling a van into a neighborhood with flashing yellow lights,
and using 10 reps to bang on every door in the neighborhood.<
The 10 reps on one block concept is horrible but it is done so for a reason.
They bring them all in at once so they can supervise them and make sure the
employees are working. I'm sure you know how much damage one negative rep left
unattended can do to the rest of the staff.
That's the dealers answer to their inability to hire qualified and professional
canvassers. It's also not the dealer's fault because ADT will chunk down 20
some odd dealers in one area and they have to compete for the same pool of
employees.
My personal method varies greatly from ADT's. I prefer to work one block until
I get a deal. I quit working the block until the time of install where I use a
cloverleaf method. After the cloverleafing I rely mainly on referrals to obtain
clients from the rest of that block.
The 10 guys in a van method makes the homeowner feel like a steer at a roundup.
> I've
said before that I think ADT should either drop the dealer program or
drop the corporate residential division.<
ADT averages tens of thousands of installs per month with their current
formula. I highly doubt they will amend their ways and suffer a loss in
business.
> Do you cold call clients too or do the reps in ADT's Commercial
>division just sit back and wait for the phone to ring?
>I very rarely "cold call" anymore. Of course, cold calling a business
is much different than knocking on someones door at home.<
Depends on the day and time. Monday mornings are NOT the time to canvass
business owners and Saturday nights are NOT the time to door knock a resi.
>If I do
solicit business, its usually on new construction where the owner/
contractor welcomes bids. Most of my business comes from an existing
base of customers and contacts within the construction business.<
Your formula is what I consider to be extremely productive. If residential reps
designed their programs to where it would consist of 75% referrals they
wouldn't have to run around knocking on every door to try and meet a quota.
It's easy to do but most resi reps are too lazy to build their prospect lists
properly.
> I guess you've never canvassed businesses. Did you start on the
>residential side or were you on the commercial side from day one? Just
curious.
>I started in the commercial side. I've got an electronics background
and a background in sales. This business allowed me to combine the
two. I'd never sell residential or small commercial simply because it
doesn't interest me. I do respect the people who do, however.<
I respect your brand of sales as well. It would drive me nuts to wait for weeks
on end for a CEO to decide if he wants to do business or not. I don't have your
patience.
Your background is very impressive and I can see why you enjoy the success that
you do.
John
Tom Fowler
day. It's probably Southwestern Bell calling to tell you the phone line is
burning up from all the activity : )
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
From: "Mark Leuck" mle...@iadfw.net
Date: 10/17/01 11:50 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <F31D2A23244AD933.6DFC0B24...@lp.airnews.net>
Robert L Bass
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota, FL 34233
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 voice (Florida)
941-926-9857 fax
Rober...@home.com
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"Brian" <br...@nomail.net> wrote in message
news:77iust0jfqn24f2di...@4ax.com...
: >I have no idea what the devices cost or where to obtain one. If I find them
I
: >might just buy one.
:
: http://www.telezapper.com/
: --
: Brian Karas
Robert L Bass
that Brian posted. I think I'll get one.
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota, FL 34233
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 voice (Florida)
941-926-9857 fax
Rober...@home.com
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<bad...@freedom.net> wrote in message news:tsul8lf...@corp.supernews.com...
:
: "Robert L Bass" <Rober...@home.com> wrote in message
:
:
J. Sloud
>I respect your brand of sales as well. It would drive me nuts to wait for weeks
>on end for a CEO to decide if he wants to do business or not. I don't have your
>patience.
It does drives me nuts sometimes. The thing thats really tough is when
I spend spend hours and hours designing a really complex system,
coordinating subcontractors, putting together prints, and making
presentations only to be outbid or to have the client change his mind.
I can certainly see the appeal of one-call sales.
John
Eeeasy
guys on it right away!
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:45:28 GMT, "Robert L Bass"
<Rober...@home.com> wrote:
>Heh heh heh. I know what you mean. I just purchased a new (to me) home in a
>deed restricted community. Not even religious zealots (who I don't actually
>mind) come around.
>
>"J. Sloud" <please...@nospam.null> wrote in message
>news:3bce218f.95804139@news...
>:
>:
>
>
Eeeasy
Eeeasy
My bet is you're even more sick of all the ADT dealer signs in your
neighbors yards! God Bless America and the free enterprise system.
Fuck socialism.
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:41:34 GMT, "Jim Rojas" <jro...@tech-man.com>
wrote:
Mark Leuck
"Brian" <br...@nomail.net> wrote in message
news:77iust0jfqn24f2di...@4ax.com...
> >I have no idea what the devices cost or where to obtain one. If I find
them I
> >might just buy one.
>
Robert L Bass
my home address here. My business address is a matter of public record, but not
my home. At any rate, when I see solicitors in my neighborhood knocking on
doors I call the cops. You never know when a door-to-door "salesman" might turn
out to be a robber. :)
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota, FL 34233
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 voice (Florida)
941-926-9857 fax
Rober...@home.com
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"Eeeasy" <payand...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bcf65de.128852471@news-server...
: Hey Bass, what's the name of the development, I'll get our Sarasota
: >:
: >
: >
:
Robert L Bass
around both my neighborhood and my parents' to see how many alarm signs and
stickers I could spot. My little section of Sarasota County is very small.
There are less than 50 homes in the development. There were a few yard signs
and a couple of window decals I could see from the street. None were ADT
though. In my parents' neighborhood (a bit more upscale with homes averaging
~4,000 sf under air), there are over 100 residences. I counted three ADT signs.
The surprising thing was the number of signs from a now-defunct regional alarm
company. They were bought out by P1 (I think) a couple of years ago or so. No
need to mention the company name. AFAIK, the company had a deal with the one or
two of the developers. The neighborhood is approximately 14-15 years old with
one newer section.
Anyway, ADT is in the neighborhood but there's plenty of room for competition in
there. I have no interest in it though. I only sell to DIY'rs and very few
wealthy retirees DIY.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota, FL 34233
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 voice (Florida)
941-926-9857 fax
Rober...@home.com
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"Eeeasy" <payand...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3bcf66f9.129135844@news-server...
:
: My bet is you're even more sick of all the ADT dealer signs in your
: >>
: >
: >
:
Alarminex
<jro...@tech-man.com> writes:
>Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
>From: "Jim Rojas" <jro...@tech-man.com>
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 05:44:58 GMT
>
>I'd rather let the KKK put their yard sign on my lawn... :)
>
Nah ...... you'd have to keep it burning all night long.
>
>
Jim
Remove the Qzapp to email
Alarminex
<jro...@tech-man.com> writes:
>Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
>From: "Jim Rojas" <jro...@tech-man.com>
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:41:31 GMT
>
>Deed Restricted communities are run like little communist countries...comply
>or else...
>
>I like my purple house on the Florida prarie...my neighbors hate the
>color... :)
>
Jim ......You didn't! Not PR purple! In Red neck territory yet!
Man, you got some set! :->
Tom Fowler
Date: 10/18/01 5:27 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <3bcf73a7.45104052@news>
tfowl...@aol.com (Tom Fowler) wrote:
The type of client that kills me is the one I call the JACK O LANTERN. He's the
guy that introduces himself as being the head honcho. He's the big cheese. He's
Mr. Decision Maker. He's the guy that says YES to everything. He nods in
agreement the whole time. He acts like the system, or whatever you're selling
is the Second Coming. Then when you shoot the price he says "It sounds good to
me"
You ask for the order and he says "Well, I need to check with the boss first, I
just work here"
I can't tell you how many times I touched that stove when I was a kid just
breaking in. Now, it's funny to think about, but back then I could have
strangled someone.
I qualify the living hell out of people now : )
Tom Fowler
I never knew you installed in the GHETTO : )
I have a great marketing idea for you so if you get a chance, drop me an e-mail
at TFowl...@JUNO.com.
Tom
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
From: payand...@hotmail.com (Eeeasy)
Date: 10/18/01 5:30 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <3bcf65de.128852471@news-server>
Tom Fowler
was an Irish Italian and Roman Catholic from the Bronx he somehow decided it
was in his best interest to walk away quietly : )
Put a Bella Abzug scarecrow in your yard. She'd scare the ugly off a bullfrog.
Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
From: "Jim Rojas" jro...@tech-man.com
Date: 10/17/01 11:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <r%tz7.637$le.11...@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net>
I'd rather let the KKK put their yard sign on my lawn... :)
Jim Rojas
"Tom Fowler" <tfowl...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20011018011508...@mb-mk.aol.com...
> Take an ADT yard sign and plunk it down on your lawn. I doubt they will
knock
> on your door again.
>
> Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
> From: "Jim Rojas" jro...@tech-man.com
> Date: 10/17/01 10:41 PM Mountain Daylight Time
> Message-id: <14tz7.633$le.10...@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net>
>
> He right about that...I got sick of seeing ADT door hangers week after
week
> on my front door.
>
> Jim Rojas
>
> "Tom Fowler" <tfowl...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20011017225740...@mb-df.aol.com...
> > John,
> > Where does ADT corporate get the majority of it's residential
> installs
> > from? Last time I checked it was from door knocking. Do you cold call
> clients
> > too or do the reps in ADT's Commercial division just sit back and wait
for
> the
> > phone to ring? I guess you've never canvassed businesses. Did you start
> on the
> > residential side or were you on the commercial side from day one? Just
> curious.
> >
> > Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today--screw all telemarketers!
> > From: please...@nospam.null (J. Sloud)
> > Date: 10/17/01 5:22 PM Mountain Daylight Time
> > Message-id: <3bce218f.95804139@news>
Jim Rojas
Jim Rojas
"Alarminex" <alar...@aol.comQzapp> wrote in message
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Robert L Bass
high or so) in his front yard. He wanted to display Old Glory in a very
prominent manner. Someone complained and it turned out the flag pole was too
high for local zoning restrictions. He also was supposed to have pulled a
permit but he didn't. A battle ensued and the town prevailed. He was forced to
take down his flag.
Shortly afterward he repainted the front of his house. The left half of the
upper floor was blue with fifty white stars. Everything else was broad red and
white stripes -- thirteen of them.
Neighbors complained again. A battle ensued. He won. The flag stayed for many
years until he sold the house and moved.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota, FL 34233
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 voice (Florida)
941-926-9857 fax
Rober...@home.com
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"Jim Rojas" <jro...@tech-man.com> wrote in message
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: No...I didn't. But at times I do get tempted...
:
:
Group Moderator
Date: 10/18/2001 10:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <j_Lz7.6765$06.3...@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com>
Heh heh heh. Nice comeback, Eeeasy. Just for the heck of it, I decided to
ride
around both my trailer park and my parents' (really they are the same place,
just sounds good)
to see how many alarm signs and stickers I could spot. My little section of
Sarasota County is very small.
There are less than 50 trailers in the park. There were a few yard signs
and a couple of window decals ( they were on the windows that were not smashed
out) I could see from the street. None were ADT
though. In my parents' trailer park, (a bit more upscale, has double wide
trailers), there are over 100 trailers in here.
The surprising thing was the number of signs from a now-defunct regional alarm
company. They were bought out by P1 (I think) a couple of years ago or so. No
need to mention the company name. AFAIK, the company had a deal with the one
or
two of the trailer park owners. The trailer park is approximately 14-15 years
old with
one newer section of tens..
Anyway, ADT is in the park but there's plenty of room for competition in
there. I have no interest in it though. Because I cannot get a Florida
license. Besides, I only scam DIY'rs and very few
Bob La Londe
No kidding schools are worse than businesses on this one. Anybody employed
as an instructor is the worst. Also, "well... we called you to see what we
want." Those two run me off quickly.
Actually, I classifiy these by saying, "I'm sorry. What you want from me is
too expensive. You will have to put it out to bid. Have purchasing send me
a bid request." One in ten actually does something anytime in the next two
years.
I figure these guys are bred by management in business or schools. Somebody
is gung ho to do something, and the administration tells them sure go see
what it will cost and get back to me with it. Basically make work. Its a
damn shame too. They have somebody who actually wants to work and do
something and they waste them.
Once in a while one of those go getters actually gets promoted to a position
where they can do things, so I try and never just tell them to piss off. If
I like them I'll explain how things work and who they really need to talk to
if they want whatever it is they want.
So much for my diareaha of the keyboard for tonight.
--
Thank You,
Bob La Londe
http://securityconsultant.hypermart.net
The Security Consultant
849 S Ave C
Yuma, Az 85364
(928)782-9765 ofc
(928)782-7873 fax
ken...@verizon.net
> Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today
> Date: 10/14/01 1:55 PM Mountain Daylight Time
> Message-id: <3bc9fb32.156616378@news>
>
> tfowl...@aol.com (Tom Fowler) wrote:
>
> >WHY?
>
> >Because I hate spam.<
>
> You weren't the recipient.
>
> >Because I'd like to ask ADT dealer management whether or not they
> condone spam.<
>
> The ADT dealer can send that ad if he or she so chooses. When Steve Gribbon
> tells you that the ad was written by ADT will you still be upset? The ad was
> written by ADT. It's a standard internet ad right from the playbook.
>
> >Because what dealers do may indirectly affect me.<
>
> How? You deal with large commercial jobs. I doubt the owner of a business will
> be turned off because an ADT dealer sent an ad via e-mail. You're stretching
> John.
> Maybe when the employees of the branch stop thinking of authorized dealers as
> being lower on the food chain the branch will be able to focus on their own
> dirty laundry and not have to sub the work out to the same dealers they
> ridicule.
>
> >Because I can.<
>
> So you will try to prevent an ADT dealer from promoting his or her business
> even though those same deals they would procure would DIRECTLY benefit ADT?
>
> >Because the sky's blue.<
>
> Battleship grey here today.
>
> >Enough reasons for you?<
>
> You summed it up pretty good.
>
> >ADT's corporate email policy specifically
> prohibits spam.<
>
> Dealers are NOT corporate and DON'T have to run their business by corporate's
> guidlines.
>
> > As someone who relies on email to communicate with my
> customers, I have a vested interest in ADT's policies regarding the
> use of electronic media.<
>
> That's nice. It's an authorized dealer advertising and NOT ADT. You also have a
> vested interest in ADT's bottom line. The dealer has a vested interest in his
> ad. If Steve Gribbon thought e-mail ads would hurt ADT you can bet he wouldn't
> have signed off on them. Good luck getting him on the phone John.
> I wasn't flaming you John and I wasn't replying with sarcasm. I think it would
> be nice if the employees of ADT stopped acting as if the dealers were the
> enemy.
>
> Tom
Here you go Tom, I get email spam from one of your dealers everyday, every friggin day. How would you like it if I came over to your house every day and knocked on your door and tried to sell you something? Better yet since you like this free for all how would you like it if I called you every day too?
And how about if I stop you on the street and badgered you? You don't get the point do you? The point is once is enough to be told there is no interest. Besides do you really want to try to sell your crap to someone who adamantly does not want your product and has told your reps approaching a hundred times that they are not wanted or appreciated. Why don't you post your email address and phone number so hundreds of people can contact you daily, maybe then you would get a clue.
doug
<ken...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> Subject: Re: ADT SPAM I got today
roseso...@gmail.com
ADTPremierProvider b5bOzQ4eU...@vwzxpffywx.org via jetlimit.com
On Sunday, October 14, 2001 at 11:33:57 AM UTC-4, Stephen Wolf wrote:
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> West Palm Beach, FL
ABLE1
> i get at least one email per day from ADT, very annoying.
> ADTPremierProvider b5bOzQ4eU...@vwzxpffywx.org via jetlimit.com
>
>
>
>> On Sunday, October 14, 2001 at 11:33:57 AM UTC-4, Stephen Wolf wrote:
>> FREE* ADT Home Security System
>
after 19 years??
Bob La Londe
advertising from the various door knockers so I would know what
customers were talking about when they said, "Well AD-PEX-ONE-HOUSE is
giving away free alarm systems." I have used that address for a
throw-a-way and for various other registrations over the years. Then
they instituted spam filters and I have to check the junk my now for
intel on what "those guys" are doing.
One made it through the spam filter just the other day 30.99 a month on
approved credit for 3 years except in California where its only 2 years.
I didn't look to see what equipment they offered, before I hit the
delete button.
RTS
be a group of numbers.)
then I add that IP to my bounce back filter.
You can also send that IP address to your email provider and have them
add it to their block filter..
That will put a stop to future email from them..
Of course you'll still have to do that each time they use a different
IP host..
--
*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*
Bob La Londe
for throwaway registration and soliciting SPAM from certain companies.
Jim Davis
With AOL, in case someone really tries to get inventive,( translate that to annoying) they have a email spam filter where you just enter the email address and then it's blocked from that point on.
I don't really care that much for AOL but I've had the address since the early 90's so it's kinda to late to change it now.
pazs...@gmail.com
Mine is sent via lunatic spammers who throw emails together for multiple things from miracle cures for nail fungus and tinnitus, to online tarot readings and ADT Security systems.
They create new domains for redirect sites, they hack sites to use them, they abuse redirects available on sites, utilize Google storage, shortlink providers like bitly... all manner of methods to have links in emails that are the bottom of a food chain.
Sometimes they get a SendGrid account opened for sending from, or they use a hacked MX linked domain, or hotmail or other. Sometimes they hide their hosting IP behind passthru services like Cloudflare, or the use Cloudfront. They use services that allow them to host on a machine presumably connected at a home/office to an ISP (I think that’s what happens with services like noip.com or freedynamicdns.net)
Some of their redirects have been developed not to work in online redirect tracing applications, and more recently to not work in apps on iOS like “iCURL HTTP” but when browsed in a web browser they dance their merry way to to end point site.
The spam emails contain images which they always used to store on imgur.com (free image sharing site/app) but they became super responsive and delete the reported images. Hence spammer moved elsewhere and it’s a cat and mouse game. Imgbox.com is a current favorite. ADT examples:
https://images2.imgbox.com/42/27/BP0QZVVT_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/90/d7/mRZd7JsX_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/a9/d9/IMj1JPcu_o.png
Of course that last one does not link to an actual working unsubscribe routine.The spam URL was to a new domain (24 hours old) and while the site was hosted AND registered through Namecheap.com, they took the site offline but did not apparently take action on the domain registration. Namecheap will void a registration only if the domain name is added to a blacklist such as SURBL. They claim this is because they are not a hosting company and can not verify abuse; apparently even when the hosting company is Namecheap Hosting! Maybe they just like to take the revenue for the site domain name and pretend the money is not “crime related”
Of course, mr spammer uses a turnover of domains fast enough not to get onto SURBL or other blacklist for most mass spam sends.
And finally, of course they mess with email headers and make the plain text HTML code hard to report. They’ll include a huge amount of random text/links in an unterminated HTML tag. Bury the few lines of their spam before or after. Sometimes so huge it is hard to copy/paste. They sometimes take a genuine business email, and just put their content after it (lunatics) which surely reduces uptake by their victims. And of course sometimes they adopt base64 encoding to boot.
Largely the same spamming people (bots maybe) and incredibly repetitive content via different but repeating methods as described above. It’s not stopping me reporting. Every. Single. Time. The volume is falling, with determined effort.
pazs...@gmail.com
polidamente.me
Domain Status: serverHold
Looks like the registrant needs to contact the registry and provide information before they can use it again. That’s progress.