DVAC - Line..Canada
Pogo
I have a need to install a DVAC circuit for a Fire system and have been told
by ADI & Burtek that there panels do not have DVAC interfaces. I called
Tried... they no longer make the DVAC interface for there panels... I don't
think getting an I/P link is viable yet as the people doing our monitoring
arenot set up for this technology? Any comment or input..
MLL
CHŽIS
Would cell backup be an option? I'm not sure if that counts as a phone line
for fire systems... which ULC requires two of.
Frank Olson
DSC's GSM communicator is ULC listed for fire alarm monitoring. It's
set up very similarly to the old Skyroute system (through "Connect 24").
Pogo
grade and incase in a sealed electrical room..reception sure to be an
issue...and running a remote antenae may be problematic......
Will look over the Spec.. can always learn something new
"Frank Olson" <use_the_e...@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote in message
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AJ
the DVAC installation and your CS has to order it for you, very expensive.
Other ULC option includes DSC PC1832 + TLink + DSL, or DSC PC1832 + GSM3055.
Everything has to be in EMT including the antenna cable.
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Pogo
We have ordered several DVAC lines in the past, these are not new to us. We
have used Europlex panels in the past but I don't want to go down this path
with them again. My local Tri-ed/DSC contacts could not confirm if they
still had a ULC Dvac panel...
I am also hearing rumour that I/P monitoring will likely not get UL
cerification so I am trying to hold out till some clarity is shed on this
whole DVAC situation, Ma Bell has continually threatened to discontinue it's
DVAC offering but nothing yet has taken it place...Yes GSM is a good fit but
not in all application especially where antenae placement is not optimal...
Again, thanks for the info
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Frank Olson
> My local Tri-ed/DSC contacts could not confirm if they
> still had a ULC Dvac panel...
Talk to Art. Talk only to Art. Steve will do in a pinch, though. :-)
AJ
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Nomen Nescio
>cerification so I am trying to hold out till some clarity is shed on this
>whole DVAC situation,
I can't speak to ULC, but the US version of UL has accepted internet
monitoring for years now. So my guess is that ULC will get with the
program eventually, though maybe not soon enough to solve your problem.
Pogo
world..or so my experience has been.
I recall doing an inquiry last year with DSC/Sureguard and only 4 I/P
station receiver were in operation. Two of which were in BC and the other I
can recall but the BC units were under beta test..
Schedule "C" circuits "DVAC from Bell has been slated for decommissioning
for the last 8years. I like the prospect of I/P monitoring but not the
reliability of the attached DSL routers and synking problems associated with
dynamic I/P's to the burg panels. Remote access is a big concern, does this
mean we will need static I/P's or will all panels be DDNS. If DDNS whom will
do the hosting...
How is the US version of this being benchmarked..what is the forerunner as
far as Panel manufacturers?
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Pogo
technical depth it use to, unfortunately.
"AJ" <jrepa...@gmail1.com> wrote in message
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Jim
Sure, if you can contend with not knowing whether it's communication
with central or not. Kind of a dumb design too, if you ask me and on
top of that they wouldn't even admit or notify anyone that they had a
problem with non supervision. The worst installation manual I ever
saw.
Nomen Nescio
>world..or so my experience has been.
>I recall doing an inquiry last year with DSC/Sureguard and only 4 I/P
>station receiver were in operation. Two of which were in BC and the other I
>can recall but the BC units were under beta test..
>Schedule "C" circuits "DVAC from Bell has been slated for decommissioning
>for the last 8years. I like the prospect of I/P monitoring but not the
>reliability of the attached DSL routers and synking problems associated with
>dynamic I/P's to the burg panels. Remote access is a big concern, does this
>mean we will need static I/P's or will all panels be DDNS. If DDNS whom will
>do the hosting...
>How is the US version of this being benchmarked..what is the forerunner as
>far as Panel manufacturers?
DMP is the pioneer in IP monitoring in the US. They're an "exclusive
dealer" company, so you can't buy their stuff through distribution. But
technologically, they are at the top of the heap. They sell in Canada, and
I see that their flagship panel is ULC listed as Level V for their network
burg monitoring. But, it only is listed for residential fire in Canada,
which probably relates to the ULC listing issue you mentioned earlier
regarding commercial fire. In the US, it's even approved for commercial
fire use in New York City (network + dialer).
Their panels work with either static or dynamic IPs. Some installing
companies prefer to force people to get static IPs, though. The network
panels come standard with a backup dialer, in fact their latest version can
support up to eight different communications paths: IP, dialer, radio,
etc.
If you're curious, most of the documentation is available at www.dmp.com
Trevyn
"Ma Bell has continually threatened to discontinue it's
I just spoke to the Product Manager at Bell Canada: Bruno Breault... there is
no technological & price equivalent existing at this time and should Bell even
want to, we'd first have to file with the CRTC as it is a tariff product.
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