Ademco Quest 2135 Pet-X Motion Sensors - Comments?
Mike Baptiste
My wife and I are planning a major remodel of our house soon and I'm
planning on upgrading the alarm system they have (to a DSC Power 832).
I want to add some motion detectors on away only zones, but we have
pets.
Since we have cats :) I've read with interest the info about the Quest
2135 PIR from Ademco with their 'Pet-X' technology. I assume the other
detectors with 'Pet alley' mirrors won't help much if our cats go
jumping over the furniture in the room (which they do)
Has anyone used these detectors? Happy or unhappy with them? I'd only
need a couple so the higher price isn't a worry, but I don't want to
install them if a) the pets will set them off anyway or b) they aren't
sensitive enough, etc.
Thanks!
Mike Baptiste
bapt...@nortel.ca
D. MacLaughlin
I'm starting my eighth year in the security business and no detector has
ever impressed me the way the DSC Bravo6 is continuing to do. I'm not
familiar with the Ademco detectors but I have sold "pet immune" detectors
made by three other companies. When all four companies detectors are
installed properly I have seen few problems. I have yet to hear of a
Bravo6 that has false alarmed when all the installation principles are
followed, even with dogs over fifty pounds.
By the way, don't rely on the installation instructions to tell you
everything about installing them, ask around -sales support people or
tech support departments. This goes for all manufacturers. They give us
more credit in our knowledge of their products than they should.
don
Flyboy
Mike Baptiste wrote:
> 2135 PIR from Ademco with their 'Pet-X' technology. I assume the
> other
> detectors with 'Pet alley' mirrors won't help much if our cats go
>
When a manufacturer came out with a "pet immune" detector some years
ago, I installed it in a clients home with disasterous results. That
jaded me, and we did it conventionally after that (pet alley's). Last
year, when ASC came out with the 2135 Quest, I was given one to
evaluate. I installed it in my own home with two active cats and a dog
(50#), following the manufacturers guidelines. It worked well, with no
alarms, for six months. We started installing them for our clients with
tremendous success. I now have installed in the same spot a DSC Bravo
6, with no changes to the environment. It has gone off twice, both
times with the two cats and the dog in the house. I will not install
that detector for others until it is proven stable. We use the Bravo 3
every day, and it is a great device in clean environments.
The Detection Systems TriTech (DS835) is the exact same unit as the
2135, and may be freely substituted. I pay a couple of dollars less for
the DS brand. Our DSC distributor has expressed concern over my
experience, so I am sure they are working to perfect it.
BTW, your choice of the Power832 is an excellent one. Good Luck!
Tom
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A.J.D.
Mike;
Motion detectors are designed to detect motion,
including dog, person, cat, moose and the like, and
should always be placed on an "away" zone. In a
nutshell, all "pet-proof" motions use a type of
blocking device to not see the animal, kinda like
putting blinders on horses. The problem with cats are
that they jump unexpectedly, and if that jump takes
them into an area that the sensor indeed is looking at,
it will indicate an intruder. Can the cats be confined
to a special area while you're not at home? You may
also want to look into other types of interior
protection such as audio technology for those areas.
The Ademco product line is a fine one. Hope this
helps, good luck.
Mike Baptiste wrote:
> My wife and I are planning a major remodel of our
> house soon and I'm
> planning on upgrading the alarm system they have (to
> a DSC Power 832).
> I want to add some motion detectors on away only
> zones, but we have
> pets.
>
> Since we have cats :) I've read with interest the
> info about the Quest
> 2135 PIR from Ademco with their 'Pet-X' technology.
> I assume the other
> detectors with 'Pet alley' mirrors won't help much if
> our cats go
Marc Zingarelli
If you're using DSC you might also look into their Bravo 6. It's a good
detector and guranteed to ignore any animal under 75 lbs. Another good one
(little more pricey) if you want a dual tech detector is the C&K 640. All
of these generally require that the animal not be able to get within 5 feet
of the detector.
Later
Marc
Mike Baptiste <bapt...@nortel.ca> wrote in article
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Doug Winslow
Mike Baptiste wrote:
>
> My wife and I are planning a major remodel of our house soon and I'm
> planning on upgrading the alarm system they have (to a DSC Power 832).
> I want to add some motion detectors on away only zones, but we have
> pets.
First you say "our house" then "alarm system they have". Just curious...
. Doug
donna shields
As a former security consultant for Scott Alarm, I sold quite a few of
the Quest motion detectors, also known as a dual tech motion. They
seem to work very well and we were told that they would ignore up to
five cats or an 85 lb. dog. The only time I had a problem was once
when the sensitivity was set too low and a cat kept setting it off.
Maybe this will help.
Mike Baptiste <bapt...@nortel.ca> wrote:
>My wife and I are planning a major remodel of our house soon and I'm
>planning on upgrading the alarm system they have (to a DSC Power 832).
>I want to add some motion detectors on away only zones, but we have
>pets.
>Since we have cats :) I've read with interest the info about the Quest
Robert L Bass
Mike Baptiste wrote:
>
> My wife and I are planning a major remodel of our house soon and I'm
> planning on upgrading the alarm system they have (to a DSC Power 832).
> I want to add some motion detectors on away only zones, but we have
> pets.
I have tried some of the motion detectors (various brands) with a "pet
alley" lens in the presence of cats and dogs on several occasions. Most
of these resulted in periodic false alarms presumably due to cats
jumping on whatever it is they like to jump on. Sometimes I think they
wait until the homeowner leaves after setting the alarm, give each other
a wink and start trying to set off the alarm. Maybe they have contests
to see who can set it off fastest.
> Since we have cats :) I've read with interest the info about the Quest
> 2135 PIR from Ademco with their 'Pet-X' technology. I assume the other
> detectors with 'Pet alley' mirrors won't help much if our cats go
> jumping over the furniture in the room (which they do)
I've sold a number of the Quest units and C&K model DT-640STC and
DT-660STC detectors to DIYers. Some of these have been used in homes
with pets. I've always been apprehensive about their ability to ignore
cats and respond to burglars. So far, however, I have not received any
complaints about performance with animals around. FWIW, they may have
come up with something that does the job.
> Has anyone used these detectors? Happy or unhappy with them? I'd only
> need a couple so the higher price isn't a worry, but I don't want to
> install them if a) the pets will set them off anyway or b) they aren't
> sensitive enough, etc.
The other approach you may wish to consider is a perimeter based
system. You bug the windows and doors and place wall-mounted,
volumetric glass break detectors in rooms where a thief might likely
gain entry by smashing a window. This will allow you to fully protect
the home whether the animals (or you and your children) are home or not.
One last option is worth considering. You can have your screens turned
into alarm screens. The fabric is replaced with one that has an alarm
wire woven into the mesh at the mill. Any attempt to cut, remove or
tamper with the screen sets off the alarm before the thief even breaks
the window. Even better, you can have a window protected even while
it's open for fresh air on a warm, autumn night. The only drawback to
this is screens cost more.
The Power-832 is an excellent system, by the way. If you want more
information on this matter, you may e-mail me or visit my web site,
where I offer these products for sale to DIYers.
Blue skies,
RLBass
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Adenco
we use the ds-820 it is a good detector also we have about 25 in truley
harsh enviorments with no problems. the microwave is a pain to set up but
once its right the detector is verry reliable. we mainly use them in
places with large dogs. if the person only has cats we use the crow or the
2135 with great success.
james barnes
denco security lc
Mark
We use Detection Systems 832, seems to work very well, won't pick up a
100 pound dog or up to 5 cats (how they figure this out I'll never
know)
as long as you have the motion not looking at stairs, 6.5 feet up and
nothing that they can climb on within 6 feet of the motion.
joe
peripherals for Ademco. If you take a look at the circuit boards they
look identical...
Arthur VanZant
>We use Detection Systems 832, seems to work very well, won't pick up a
>100 pound dog or up to 5 cats (how they figure this out I'll never
>know)
The way it was explained to me (by the regioanl sales rep for DS) is
it is a function of the fresnel lens. From what I understand, you
have to be bigger (more IR emitted from your body) than the biggest
dog that will be around before it will pick you up.
From what I've seen, it works. Just like everything else DS makes.
Don't work for DS, just use a lot of their stuff...
Arthur
Del City
Robert L Bass
A.J.D. wrote:
...snippity-snip-snip-snip...
> Remember we're in the recurring revenue business.
> That's not a new statement, I was told that 20 years
> ago when I went to the Ademco "Institute" of higher
> learning. Don't ruin our business by giving away what
> took us years to master!
>
...nore snippage ...
I recently posted an article regarding a horrible security sales seminar
I walked out on years ago. The "sales professional" talked about how to
use psychological pressure to build the "prospect's" emotions and get
the quick "one call close." As I mentioned, after a few minutes I
walked out, dropping the package of printed materials in the waste
basket by the door as I left. The above post reminded me of an
expression that guy used. He said exactly this: "Remember we are not in
the 'alarm' business. And we are not in the 'security' business. We're
in the 'recurring revenue' business." He, too advocated making sure the
"prospect" had little or no understanding of the system he was buying.
I'm sure you're not advocating this kind of approach, though your post
could be misconstrued as such.
I believe it is better to give the client a full understanding of his
system, including the lock code, when he pays for it. After all, it's
his system. It is better business onto hold clients through good
service than by trying to prevent competition. In any case, no matter
what kind of lock codes and programming tricks you put in place, if the
client wants to leave you, he's going to do so. That's why there have
been so many posts in this NG about how to reprogram this or that firm's
systems.
The best way to avoid ruining your business is to give consistent,
reliable service and charge a fair price for it. Treat them well and no
one will be able to steal your clients away. Treat them like all they
are is "recurring revenue" and you won't hold onto your clients with all
the lock codes in the world.
Blue Skies,
RLBass
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A.J.D.
I would have bet a month's salary that the almighty
Robert L. Bass (is it C.P.P.?) would quickly respond to
this. I won't lower myself by posting any more
messages, but you Sir are not in the recurring revenue
business, you are in the business of taking work away
from alarm professionals, enabling the common homeowner
to install systems that are unstable and cause false
alarms, which (I'm sure you'll disagree because you
know better) is the scourge of this industry. And
speaking about scourges, why have so many of the
reputable supply houses for years refused to sell to
anyone but dealers. Maybe you should allow one of
those homeowners to design and install a system in your
home that protects your children from fire and
intrusion. I guess if someone doesn't agree with your
views, you just stand up, walk out and dump their
material in the trash. I apologize to the group for
the flame, but after only three days, I've seen all
that I want.
King Robert L. Bass, this is a very small industry, I
strongly suggest you get off the podium before many
more alarm professionals join this news group and also
see what attitude you have.
ADM
Robert L Bass
The above flamer has received private e-mail from me. I won't dignify
complaints about my suggestions that we give clients more respect and
better service with further discussion. My point was adequately made in
my original post to this thread.
RLBass