DSC PC3000 Lockout
Matthew Stanley
set. I was wanting to know if I can get around that without sending it back
to DSC to be reset.
Any information helps....
Thanks!
Matthew
Roland Moore
I don't know of any way. From the manual,
Hardware Reset of EEPROM Memory to Factory Defaults:
If the Installer's Code is lost through inadvertent
programming, the only means of reprogramming the system
is via a hardware reset. If the Installer's Lockout is enabled,
there is no way to reprogram the system without entering the
correct Installer's Code.
Why would you want to keep a PC3000 anyway?
If I hadn't tossed them all I'd send you some.
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Mark Leuck
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Matthew Stanley
I am moving and want to put on the the garage... Since it works, I always
think of... "Its its not broke, Dont fix it".
If it is possible I would like to use it since I have 2 keypads and a
working control. But again.. I always like having a spare panel just in
case one that I have out blows....... If I have a spare, I usually just
charge the customer the fee to come out and replace it....
Matthew
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tourman
and has in my experience no bugs in that chip version. I have more than
a dozen spare boards that I keep in stock to service my existing
customer base, but most have been eaten up by other small dealer
friends who need them as well. The board is no longer made by DSC so
they have actually increased in value as they decrease in availability.
DSC will not unlock any boards. To my knowledge, they never have at any
time in the past. 'when you think about it, why would they do something
to defeat a feature they put into their boards originally. As well, why
do something that decreases the number of boards they sell.
Send it off to Jim Rojas in Florida if you are in the US, or myself in
Eastern Canada (east of the Manitoba border), or Action Jackson at
www.unlockservices.com for anything west of that same border.
Howeverm If you do bite the bullet and replace it with a modern alarm
panel, you WILL end up with a more modern panel that definately can
communicate much more quickly to the Central Station.
R.H.Campbell
Home Security MetaL Products
www.homemetal.com/installer_lockout.htm
Mark Leuck
"tourman" <rh.ca...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> There is absolutely nothing wrong with the DSC PC 3000. It works well
> and has in my experience no bugs in that chip version. I have more than
> a dozen spare boards that I keep in stock to service my existing
> customer base, but most have been eaten up by other small dealer
> friends who need them as well. The board is no longer made by DSC so
> they have actually increased in value as they decrease in availability.
>
>
> DSC will not unlock any boards. To my knowledge, they never have at any
> time in the past. 'when you think about it, why would they do something
> to defeat a feature they put into their boards originally. As well, why
> do something that decreases the number of boards they sell.
They did in the early to mid 90's
tourman
DSC developed a cheap and dirty device to allow the guys at Tried to
power up any board quickly and safely in order to listen for the tell
tale chirps that a locked board gives off. It seems some less than
honest dealers were trying to turn in locked boards as defective ones,
to get another unlocked one under warranty.
But no, I didn't know that DSC ever unlocked boards for anyone. I know
they used to charge back $25 to the dealer if a defective board was
returned in a locked state. But to actually unlock boards on
demand....that's news to me !
RHC
Matthew Stanley
jumper wire some place.. Its been a few years since I messed with that at
all.. but I dont like to throw anything away that still works!
Matthew
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Mark Leuck
> Hmmh....well, that's something I definately didn't know. I do know that
> DSC developed a cheap and dirty device to allow the guys at Tried to
> power up any board quickly and safely in order to listen for the tell
> tale chirps that a locked board gives off. It seems some less than
> honest dealers were trying to turn in locked boards as defective ones,
> to get another unlocked one under warranty.
I haven't heard of any device DSC made to find that, seems pretty simple to
power up the board and listen for the clicks, One thing I found out when I
was unlocking boards was a lot were turned into our office that weren't
locked out, the tech for some reason just thought they were
> But no, I didn't know that DSC ever unlocked boards for anyone. I know
> they used to charge back $25 to the dealer if a defective board was
> returned in a locked state. But to actually unlock boards on
> demand....that's news to me !
It could have been our company which was a huge user of 1550/2530/3000
boards. Manufacturers tend to bend over backwards for high volume dealers
Mark Leuck
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Roland Moore
DSC panel, not the PC3000.
"Matthew Stanley" <armor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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tourman
Mark Leuck wrote:
> I haven't heard of any device DSC made to find that, seems pretty simple to
> power up the board and listen for the clicks,
RHC: Could be it was just something they made up for the local Tried
boys here in Ottawa. It's a simple rig to power up with AC without any
risk of (I guess) hurting themselves ??? Anyway, it serves to sort out
the really defective boards from the locked ones...
One thing I found out when I
was unlocking boards was a lot were turned into our office that weren't
locked out, the tech for some reason just thought they were
RHC: Yup ! I find that too within bulk orders. I find quite a few
boards that are not locked at all, and a few that have been defaulted
properly, but the installer didn't know that 1555 and 5555 are both
valid codes for the Power 632, depending upon version. Or that 737373
and 282828 are both valid codes for the Paradox Esprit, again depending
upon versions. So he figures they are still locked when they don't
respond. I have been sorely tempted to charge them anyway for their
stupidity, and the work to set my equipment up, but I've resisted the
urge so far....
It could have been our company which was a huge user of 1550/2530/3000
boards. Manufacturers tend to bend over backwards for high volume
dealers
RHC: Yeah, I guess that could be it. I really don't think they ever did
it for the general market.
RHC
Frank Olson
> It could have been our company which was a huge user of 1550/2530/3000
> boards. Manufacturers tend to bend over backwards for high volume dealers
It wasn't just yours. Our local Tried office took locked "Classic"
boards back and unlocked them for you (for a small fee).
tourman
RHC
Robert L Bass
>> office took locked "Classic" boards
>> back and unlocked them for you (for
>> a small fee).
Olson read where someone else said that. No one at Tri-ed has ever heard of him.
Frank Olson
> No one at Tri-ed has ever heard of him.
No one at Tri-ed ever heard of you either.
Bob Worthy
"Frank Olson" <Use_the_e...@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote in message
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> Robert L Bass wrote:
>
> > No one at Tri-ed has ever heard of him.
>
>
> No one at Tri-ed ever heard of you either.
Down here they have! :o]
Roland
get a grunt and a grumble from someone behind the counter to acknowledging
your presence then you some how don't rate?
I wonder where I fit when they all just to the back run when they see me?
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Robert L Bass
> your respective city and if you don't get a grunt and a grumble from someone
> behind the counter to acknowledging your presence then you some how
> don't rate?
That's not the point, Roland. Olson has been lying for years, claiming he does all sorts of installations. He's not even an
installer. There are three major distributors in Burnaby. Olson says he's been installing there for years yet none of them
He also told us he snap-rolled a brand new 737 (something which is physically impossible) after borrowing it from Boeing (something
Boeing has never done) to test his theory about how another airplane crashed. In that ridiculous story, Olson originally claimed
that the plan was to deploy reverse thrusters at altitude. He backed off on that one when I informed hiom there's an interlock
which prevents the thrusters from engaging unless there's weight on the mains (ie, the plane is on the ground).
Olson has repeatedly lied about me, about my business, about phone conversations he says we had, etc. He has also spent *most* of
his online substitute for a life attacking me in this and other newsgroups. I feel it is my responsibility to make certain others
here aren't taken in by his bullfrank.
Matthew Stanley
train!
Thanks to all who helped me. I got the panel unlocked.
Matthew
"Robert L Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Frank Olson
> That's not the point, Roland. Olson has been lying for years, claiming he does all sorts of installations. He's not even an
> installer. There are three major distributors in Burnaby. Olson says he's been installing there for years yet none of them
You're losing it, Robbie. Can't even finish your sentences. Let me
explain (once again) for your benefit (since you're quite obviously an
idiot). Not a single person here knows me as "Olson". The explanation
for this is really quite simple. You figure everyone that posts here
with a "username" is using the one he's known by in the industry?? Have
I got news for you.
>
> He also told us he snap-rolled a brand new 737 (something which is physically impossible)
Nope. I never said that. I've never snap rolled anything other than a
Citabria, a C-150 Aerobat, and a Pitts Special.
> after borrowing it from Boeing (something
> Boeing has never done)
Never said that either. Geeze you're a LIAR, aintcha?
> to test his theory about how another airplane crashed. In that ridiculous story, Olson originally claimed
> that the plan was to deploy reverse thrusters at altitude. He backed off on that one when I informed hiom there's an interlock
> which prevents the thrusters from engaging unless there's weight on the mains (ie, the plane is on the ground).
Nope. Never did that either. And you can override the reversers *in
flight*. What I said was that we couldn't deploy them in flight because
of the risk of structural damage. We elected to "simulate" the reverser
depolying by applying a generous amount of left rudder instead.
>
> Olson has repeatedly lied about me,
Where have I ever "lied about you"? Show me just one post to back your
claim.
> about my business,
Proof, Bass, Proof!
> about phone conversations he says we had, etc.
I've only ever had *one* telephone conversation with you.
> He has also spent *most* of
> his online substitute for a life attacking me in this and other newsgroups. I feel it is my responsibility to make certain others
> here aren't taken in by his bullfrank.
Really? The foremost LIAR in Usenet accuses someone else of being a
liar. Prove it, Bass. Put up or shut up.
Roland Moore
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Frank Olson
> I snapped rolled the UFO I borrowed from an ET. Does that count?
No, unfortunately UFO's don't rely on aerodynamic principles to maintain
flight.
Roland Moore
And I know she was running on just hot air and alcohol. Now can that count?
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Jim
You ought to hear what Tech support at Napco has to say about him.
I never would have believed that I could sense someone rolling their
eyes, over the the telephone. But .... I guess it could be because it
was accompanied with a groan and an incredulously asked ..... DO YOU
*** KNOW *** HIM???
Jim
I once un-snapped a 24 hour stay-up bra that was pretty aerodynamic
looking. But I was able to identify all objects involved.
Does that count?
Robert L Bass
> I snapped rolled the UFO I borrowed from an ET. Does that count?
Sure, and it's just as true as Olson's ridiculous story.
>>> That's not the point, Roland. Olson has been lying for years, claiming he does all sorts of installations. He's not even an
>>> installer. There are three major distributors in Burnaby. Olson says he's been installing there for years yet none of them
>>
>> You're losing it, Robbie. Can't even finish your sentences. Let me explain (once again) for your benefit (since you're quite
>> obviously an idiot). Not a single person here knows me as "Olson". The explanation for this is really quite simple. You figure
>> everyone that posts here with a "username" is using the one he's known by in the industry?? Have I got news for you.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> He also told us he snap-rolled a brand new 737 (something which is physically impossible)
>>
>> Nope. I never said that. I've never snap rolled anything other than a Citabria, a C-150 Aerobat, and a Pitts Special.
In your dreams, perhaps. You're not a pilot either.
>>> after borrowing it from Boeing (something Boeing has never done)
>>
>> Never said that either. Geeze you're a LIAR, aintcha?
One of the tough things about making up a story is you've forgotten what you originally said.
>>> to test his theory about how another airplane crashed. In that ridiculous story, Olson originally claimed that the plan was to
>>> deploy reverse thrusters at altitude. He backed off on that one when I informed hiom there's an interlock which prevents the
>>> thrusters from engaging unless there's weight on the mains (ie, the plane is on the ground).
>>
>> Nope. Never did that either. And you can override the reversers *in flight*.
Nope. It cannot be done. There's a reason for that, too. Deploying reverse thrusters in flight would stain the terrain.
>> What I said was that we couldn't deploy them in flight because of the risk of structural damage.
Structural damage? That's a nice way to describe crashing into the earth. You said that *after* I pointed out that you couldn't do
it.
>> We elected to "simulate" the reverser depolying by applying a generous amount
>> of left rudder instead.
Hahahahaha. "Simulate reverse thrust", right. You're a complete idiot, Olson. No one but Leuck is stupid enough to believe that
one.
BTW, the 737 had a known defect in that era. Sudden application of too much rudder caused the linkage to break. Two separate fatal
crashes were the result. Hundreds of people died.
The best part of Olson's lie is the claim that Boeing lent him and his two idiot pals a brand new 737 before delivering it to an
airline. Supposedly Boeing just went along so he could test his theory of why an airliner crashed. The crash in question occurred
when a 737-200 tried to take off again after landing and deploying reverse thrusters. There was a snow plow on the runway and when
the pilot saw it he tried to make it back aloft. The airplane flipped over and smacked into the terrain immediately, exactly what
would have happened if anyone deployed RT aloft.
Because of the possibility of accidental deployment of RT in flight, Boeing wisely interlocked the mechanism with the main landing
gear. When a 737 lands it puts many tons of weight on the mains, compressing what amounts to some huge shock absorbers (for lack of
a better description). This also engages the mechanism which allows the reverse thrusters to be deployed. There is no way to over
ride it in flight because doing so would cause immediate loss of control. Once deployed, the RTs cannot be stowed until the
airplane slows to a near stop.
BTW, reverse thrusters are what cause that strong braking sensation a fcouple of seconds after the nose gear touches down. Some
folks think the engines are actually reversing but it's much simpler than that. Reverse thrusters are large deflectors which come
out from the rear sides of each engine, move into the path of the exhaust and deflect it forward. Once deployed the pilot guns the
engines for a few seconds to creat enough reverse thrust to slow the airplane down, saving on brake and tires wear and allowing the
airplane to use shorter runways.
>>> about phone conversations he says we had, etc.
>>
>> I've only ever had *one* telephone conversation with you.
And you have repeatedly lied about what was said.
Roland Moore
truss from falling off.
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Frank Olson
> Olson is lying (again). It's his real name. Before he hid it that was also the name on the WHOIS report for his website.
You're right, Bass. It is my legal name. I just don't go by it. Hint:
"Two Fathers".
>
>
>>I snapped rolled the UFO I borrowed from an ET. Does that count?
>
>
> Sure, and it's just as true as Olson's ridiculous story.
Prove it, Basshole!
>
>>>Nope. I never said that. I've never snap rolled anything other than a Citabria, a C-150 Aerobat, and a Pitts Special.
>
>
> In your dreams, perhaps. You're not a pilot either.
Proof, Bass, proof!!!
>
>
>>>>after borrowing it from Boeing (something Boeing has never done)
>>>
>>>Never said that either. Geeze you're a LIAR, aintcha?
>
>
> One of the tough things about making up a story is you've forgotten what you originally said.
Nope. I never said *I* borrowed a 737 from Boeing. I was new to the
business (of crash investigation), and worked as an insurance adjuster.
Not even the company I worked for had that kind of power. I used the
collective "we", and "us" when describing this particular event. You
have always taken that to mean "me". You're an idiot. Boeing was just
as interested in finding out what would happen if a reverser deployed in
flight. So was the NTSB (US) and Transport Canada. My company didn't
have anything to do with arranging the demonstration. I just went along
for the ride.
>
>
>>>>to test his theory about how another airplane crashed. In that ridiculous story, Olson originally claimed that the plan was to
>>>>deploy reverse thrusters at altitude. He backed off on that one when I informed hiom there's an interlock which prevents the
>>>>thrusters from engaging unless there's weight on the mains (ie, the plane is on the ground).
>>>
>>>Nope. Never did that either. And you can override the reversers *in flight*.
>
>
> Nope. It cannot be done. There's a reason for that, too. Deploying reverse thrusters in flight would stain the terrain.
Heh. You know a hell of a lot about what can and can't be done. There
are several ways in which to override the reversers. Boeing ruled out
deploying them because they didn't want to risk damaging the aircraft.
You forget. This was a test flight.
>
>
>>> What I said was that we couldn't deploy them in flight because of the risk of structural damage.
>
>
> Structural damage? That's a nice way to describe crashing into the earth. You said that *after* I pointed out that you couldn't do
> it.
Nope. That's not the way it went down. I gave you a detailed account
of what we did right from the start. You (with your detailed knowledge
of all things aviation) decided that it couldn't be done. It bugs you
that you can't track me down and harass my "employer", or the people I
do business with so you resort to posting nonsense about how you've
"talked" to several aviation "experts" to discredit me. I've been a
major thorn in your side for years. I must admit that it's been a
pleasure to circumvent your efforts at usurping this Group for your own
purposes. Your and asshole, Bass. The biggest liar in USENET.
>
>
>>> We elected to "simulate" the reverser depolying by applying a generous amount
>>>of left rudder instead.
>
>
> Hahahahaha. "Simulate reverse thrust", right. You're a complete idiot, Olson. No one but Leuck is stupid enough to believe that
> one.
It's interesting how you're not even responding to me. This is typical
of your "cut and run" tactics. You're a coward, Bass, and have LOST
every aeronautical related debate because you're such a pompous
"know-it-all" pilot-wannabe. Remember how you insisted the Cessna 152
was a tail dragger? Remember how you then "switched" your story to say
it was a Cessna 150? Remember how you then insisted that all you had to
do was "reverse" the main landing gear (rake it forward) to make the
aircraft "squat" on it's tail when I finally put you out of your misery
by finding a picture of a C-152 tail dragger *conversion*? You're
*still* an idiot, Bass. The entire main gear assembly has to be moved
*forward* to the main strut attachment hard point so the aircraft will
"sit on it's tail". Ever pushed down on the horizontal stab of a Cessna
150/152? It takes quite a bit of effort to raise the nose wheel off the
ground so you can pivot the aircraft. How would "raking the gear
forward six or twelve inches" make it squat on it's tail?
>
> BTW, the 737 had a known defect in that era. Sudden application of too much rudder caused the linkage to break. Two separate fatal
> crashes were the result. Hundreds of people died.
You're an idiot, Bass. The linkages didn't "break". In fact the
linkages remained intact all the way into the ground. And the failure
of the rudder servo didn't have anything to do with application of full
right or left rudder. There are limiters that don't allow you to do
this. They limit the amount of rudder travel in various flight
regimens. Failure of the servo was precipitated by other circumstances
that had nothing to do with application of rudder.
>
> The best part of Olson's lie is the claim that Boeing lent him and his two idiot pals a brand new 737 before delivering it to an
> airline.
Now its "two idiot pals". What a moron.
> Supposedly Boeing just went along so he could test his theory of why an airliner crashed.
Boeing didn't just "go along". Their engineers were intimately involved.
> The crash in question occurred
> when a 737-200 tried to take off again after landing and deploying reverse thrusters. There was a snow plow on the runway and when
> the pilot saw it he tried to make it back aloft. The airplane flipped over and smacked into the terrain immediately, exactly what
> would have happened if anyone deployed RT aloft.
And the thing we've always said was that if they had enough "air"
underneath them, they would have been able to recover the aircraft.
>
> Because of the possibility of accidental deployment of RT in flight, Boeing wisely interlocked the mechanism with the main landing
> gear. When a 737 lands it puts many tons of weight on the mains, compressing what amounts to some huge shock absorbers (for lack of
> a better description). This also engages the mechanism which allows the reverse thrusters to be deployed. There is no way to over
> ride it in flight because doing so would cause immediate loss of control.
We're "good" until this point.
> Once deployed, the RTs cannot be stowed until the
> airplane slows to a near stop.
There you're wrong. There are reverser override switches located on the
overhead console. What happened in this accident was really quite
simple. It's a classic case of a pilot landing on a runway and trying
to avoid a collision with a large object. If you have enough speed,
it's much easier to get airborne than trying to stop. Every pilot is
taught this simple basic fact (and it's easily demonstrable to any
*student* pilot by any qualified flight instructor). Unfortunately this
basic principle doesn't apply to the Boeing 737 once you've engaged
reverse thrust. When the pilot pulls up on the reversers, he's
committed himself to land (according to Boeing's flight manual).
Instinct, however is a far more powerful force than mere words in a
book. The pilot saw the yellow light of the plow ahead of him (we
figure he didn't actually "see" the plow because of the blowing snow and
limited visibility), realized that there was "something big" on the
runway ahead, and elected to "go around". He pushed the reverse levers
down and advanced the thrust levers to full power. He did this so
quickly that he engaged a series of micro switches that turned off the
hydraulics to the reversers before they were fully stowed. The aircraft
became airborne. It was actually hanging on a stall (a condition in
which the flow of air over the wing is no longer "laminar" and lift
becomes compromised). The aircraft was further hindered by the fact
that full flap was still deployed as well as the landing gear, so it was
extremely "dirty" aerodynamically, slow, and difficult to handle. The
co-pilot realized there was a problem with the reversers because there
were two "reverser unlock" lights illuminated on the instrument panel in
front of him. The pilot also stated that he couldn't keep the thrust
levers at full power, that they were trying to come back to "flight
idle" because of the fact that the reversers are actually interconnected
to the throttle assembly and were slowly being pushed back to "open" as
the speed of the aircraft increased. The co-pilot undid his seat
harness and rolled his seat back so he could engage the reverser
override switches located above his head. He had actually broken the
cover on the left switch when that reverser slammed "open", breaking the
pilot's thumb as that lever sprang suddenly back to the idle detent.
The aircraft rolled to the left and the rest is history. Several people
actually managed to survive the crash. I interviewed one of the
stewardesses (Gail Bunn).
>
> BTW, reverse thrusters are what cause that strong braking sensation a fcouple of seconds after the nose gear touches down. Some
> folks think the engines are actually reversing but it's much simpler than that. Reverse thrusters are large deflectors which come
> out from the rear sides of each engine, move into the path of the exhaust and deflect it forward. Once deployed the pilot guns the
> engines for a few seconds to creat enough reverse thrust to slow the airplane down, saving on brake and tires wear and allowing the
> airplane to use shorter runways.
That's not quite the way reversers work, but you're close. The pilot
places the thrust levers into the idle detent, then reaches around to
pull a second set of levers "up". This action deploys the reversers.
He then continues to pull up on the second set of levers which spools up
the engines (not to "full power" though). Reverse thrust is canceled
*before* the aircraft comes to a complete stop (usually at about 40 - 50
knots) because at slower forward speeds you risk the reversers kicking
debris on the runway "forward" where the engines might ingest it. Bass
of course, will continue to cling to his idiotic assertion that I know
nothing about flying the 737 even though I have 150 hours on Boeing's
and Pacific Western's simulator (Pacific Western Airlines was the
operator of the jet that crashed at Cranbrook. They bought out CP Air
which eventually merged with Air Canada).
>
>
>>>>about phone conversations he says we had, etc.
>>>
>>>I've only ever had *one* telephone conversation with you.
>
>
> And you have repeatedly lied about what was said.
Oh? And what did I "lie" about?
Bob Worthy
Sorta the same reaction I got from the Honeywell folks at the E House Expo
in Orlando and they didn't hold anything back.
>
Roland
> in Orlando and they didn't hold anything back.
anyone selling like Bass they could turn off his account in an instant and
let the lawyers hash it all out. ADI has more lawyers and more expensive
ones I bet. Guess who'd win?
I know of guys running various rep firms losing some lines they rep just for
telling the wrong joke around the big wigs at the companies of products they
rep. Everyone knows about the letters Bosch sent out kicking folks off the
tit. It is not hard to do. So if everyone of these manufacturers and supply
houses has a story about Bass, it might be more for the listener's benefit
and less a reflection of the real conditions of the business relationship
Bass has with them. If Bass is moving any decent volume of their stuff, and
they haven't seen fit to boot him by now, I doubt they ever will. If you
sell enough of their gear, they will invite you to a black tie ball and let
you attend in a g-string if you like, and still bill you as the guest of
honor. In fact if ADI were to start booting folks using the 80% versus 20%
rule, guys like Bass probably wouldn't be hurt, but it might end up being
that Bass' store was the only way to get parts for some folks here.
>> You ought to hear what Tech support at Napco has to say about him.
work to different manufacturers. To date none has ever bothered to take any
action against any dealer that has any real volume with them. That is just
the way it is here in this industry, and everywhere else I suspect. Money
talks and BS walks. Some of you guys like to point the finger at Bass, but
if Bass had a really evil twin the folks at GE, Honeywell, etc. could give
him lessons in vermin business behavior that would make him puke.
Although it's unlikely, Bass may be improving and getting away from his role
as group gadfly. At least for some reason he didn't get around to posting
this yet:
Former Congressman Ciro Rodriguez defeated seven-term Republican Henry
Bonilla in a runoff election Tuesday, adding another Democrat to Congress.
So I'll post it for him just to steal his thunder. What can it matter now
since Bass' politics are all wet anyway in my opinion.
My take is that at this point Congress needs another Democrat like a randy
stray dog needs another blood sucking flea, or Clinton needs another young
female aid. Wait, maybe that's saying the same thing twice.
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Bob Worthy
"Roland" <rol...@corridor.net> wrote in message
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You are right in your assumptions. It isn't the people making those bottom
line decisions that are the ones that necessarily wish he would go away. It
is the ones that have to deal with him that have their own opinions. We all
know that we don't always like the people we have to deal with. However,
with that being said, it is the ones making the decisions on their bottom
line that have put some restrictions on him, which mostly have to do with
warranty issues. Again, to be fair, if he got that straightened out, great.
From what I know, at the time of that discussion, he was doing a good bit of
business with them (I am sure he will appreciate that I keep the dollar
figure to myself) but he went to other distributors for some reason. I am
sure he has his reasons. Was it to regain something lost?
Robert L Bass
> and supply houses has a story about
> Bass
You're missing the obvious. He's lying. There was nothing at EH Expo. I buy more from ADI than Mugford and ten like him. Do you
think they give a rat's olson what he thinks? They bend over backward to take care of my account. The same is true of most of the
others. I say most because I don't buy enough GE stuff to keep an open account with them. They're more interested in the ADT's of
this world. That's fine with me. I get better prices on their stuff from a 3rd party distributor than I could get buying direct.
I also supply a few small dealers and every once in a while (like today, for example) I actually get orders from a small
distributor. I buy certain CCTV lines in enough quantity that my cost is now lower than some distributors are paying.
> it might be more for the listener's benefit
Naah. Itt was for your "benefit". Mugford and Worthy are inveterate liars.
> If you sell enough of their gear, they will
> invite you to a black tie ball and let you
> attend in a g-string if you like, and still
> bill you as the guest of honor...
Hmm. The black tie dinner sounds great but that G-string event would get ne killed. Angela bought a pair of scissors from this
Bobbit woman on eBay and... :^)
> In fact if ADI were to start booting folks
> using the 80% versus 20% rule, guys like
> Bass probably wouldn't be hurt, but it
> might end up being that Bass' store was
> the only way to get parts for some folks
> here.
For a few small dealers it is. One guy in Tennessee losthis account with ADI due to business problems. He orders a few
Ademco/Honeywell panels from me two or three times a month.
> I have told countless horror stories about
> various dealer's or integrators work to
> different manufacturers...
I'll give you a clue as to what Napco says about me. They wrote a story about one of my customized Napco installations for an
Orthodox synagogue in their newsletter a few years ago. The story was titled, "Friday the Rabbi Slept Late". In another issue they
wrote about a custom job I did for a blind couple.
I've been a Napco dealer longer than most of these jackasses have been in the trade.
> To date none has ever bothered to take any action against any dealer that has any real
> volume with them...
> Former Congressman Ciro Rodriguez defeated
> seven-term Republican Henry Bonilla in a runoff
> election Tuesday, adding another Democrat to
> Congress.
The more the better. :^)
> So I'll post it for him just to steal his thunder.
Awe, shucks!
> What can it matter now since Bass' politics
> are all wet anyway in my opinion.
We won though, didn't we? :^)
> My take is that at this point Congress needs
> another Democrat like a randy stray dog
> needs another blood sucking flea, or Clinton
> needs another young female aid...
I suspect he has an ample supply of willing, young ladies. It's a shame he wasn't more selective though. Monica? Yuck!
Roland
holiday in the ghetto? If so expect a call from either Jesse Jackson or
Michael Richards. Or is it the equal of the gay tele tuby for this group?
"Frank Olson" <Use_the_e...@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote in message
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Mark Leuck
Expo
> > in Orlando and they didn't hold anything back.
> I'd take all that with a grain of salt. If ADI wanted to get rid of Bass
or
> anyone selling like Bass they could turn off his account in an instant and
> let the lawyers hash it all out. ADI has more lawyers and more expensive
> ones I bet. Guess who'd win?
He doesn't buy direct, he goes through another distributor so turning off
his account will do no good since he likely doesn't have one
Mark Leuck
>
> You're right, Bass. It is my legal name. I just don't go by it. Hint:
> "Two Fathers".
Gay marriage?
Robert L Bass
> either Jesse Jackson or Michael Richards. Or is it the equal of the gay tele tuby for this group?
Naah. He's just lying again. His story changes ever so slightly every time he gets cornered. It's like the "telephone" game
except he's the only one playing.
Don
"Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Petem
"Roland Moore" <rol...@corridor.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>I snapped rolled the UFO I borrowed from an ET. Does that count?
>
And I "snap rolled" the girlfriend of my worst enemy when I was in high
school,do that count to?
Roland Moore
strain, but I don't have a vote I'm afraid.
"Petem" <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Jim
Robert L Bass wrote:
> > So if everyone of these manufacturers
> > and supply houses has a story about
> > Bass
>
> You're missing the obvious. He's lying. There was nothing at EH Expo. I buy more from ADI than Mugford and ten like him. Do you
> think they give a rat's olson what he thinks? They bend over backward to take care of my account. The same is true of most of the
> others. I say most because I don't buy enough GE stuff to keep an open account with them. They're more interested in the ADT's of
> this world. That's fine with me. I get better prices on their stuff from a 3rd party distributor than I could get buying direct.
>
> I also supply a few small dealers and every once in a while (like today, for example) I actually get orders from a small
> distributor. I buy certain CCTV lines in enough quantity that my cost is now lower than some distributors are paying.
>
> > it might be more for the listener's benefit
>
> Naah. Itt was for your "benefit". Mugford and Worthy are inveterate liars.
Amazing how everyone who has nothing to do with each other in real life
can all pull up postings in ASA where it is proved that you are a liar,
yet you expect someone to believe you when you call others liars .....
without any proof at all.
>
> > If you sell enough of their gear, they will
> > invite you to a black tie ball and let you
> > attend in a g-string if you like, and still
> > bill you as the guest of honor...
>
> Hmm. The black tie dinner sounds great but that G-string event would get ne killed. Angela bought a pair of scissors from this
> Bobbit woman on eBay and... :^)
The way you look right now you'd do better showing up in a full
body condom. That way you'd look exactly like the big fat dick
that you are.
>
> > In fact if ADI were to start booting folks
> > using the 80% versus 20% rule, guys like
> > Bass probably wouldn't be hurt, but it
> > might end up being that Bass' store was
> > the only way to get parts for some folks
> > here.
>
> For a few small dealers it is. One guy in Tennessee losthis account with ADI due to business problems. He orders a few
> Ademco/Honeywell panels from me two or three times a month.
>
> > I have told countless horror stories about
> > various dealer's or integrators work to
> > different manufacturers...
>
> I'll give you a clue as to what Napco says about me. They wrote a story about one of my customized Napco installations for an
> Orthodox synagogue in their newsletter a few years ago. The story was titled, "Friday the Rabbi Slept Late". In another issue they
> wrote about a custom job I did for a blind couple.
That was too many years ago, before they realized what a nasty son of
a bitch you really are. And it's the tech support group that thinks
you're
an asshole.
>
> I've been a Napco dealer longer than most of these jackasses have been in the trade.
>
Try 1969 on for size. You were in prison that year, weren't you? Or was
that
the time you were hiding from the draft?
> > To date none has ever bothered to take any action against any dealer that has any real
> > volume with them...
>
> > Former Congressman Ciro Rodriguez defeated
> > seven-term Republican Henry Bonilla in a runoff
> > election Tuesday, adding another Democrat to
> > Congress.
>
> The more the better. :^)
>
> > So I'll post it for him just to steal his thunder.
>
> Awe, shucks!
>
> > What can it matter now since Bass' politics
> > are all wet anyway in my opinion.
>
> We won though, didn't we? :^)
>
> > My take is that at this point Congress needs
> > another Democrat like a randy stray dog
> > needs another blood sucking flea, or Clinton
> > needs another young female aid...
>
> I suspect he has an ample supply of willing, young ladies. It's a shame he wasn't more selective though. Monica? Yuck!
Hey ..... he's just like you...... going to Brazil to pick up any
willing slut.
But, ya gotta hand it to her. She must have had that womans
intuition thing workin overtime. You're gonna croak and she's
gonna walk away with the prize.
Roland Moore
>body condom. That way you'd look exactly like the big fat dick
>that you are.
I know you don't like Bass, but what did the rest of do to you to plant that
mental image on us.
I got this horrible visual of the single erect torso of a slimy, giant
Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man, writhing in a slug goop filled condom.
Thanks, I needed that. I think I'll go drink some car battery acid to make
myself feel better, and poor the left-overs in my eyes for good measure.
"Jim" <alar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Frank Olson
What "story" are you talking about now? And why do you continue to
respond to anyone but me? You're a coward, Bass. You know damn well
that you lose every discussion we have because you can't prove anything
I've said is either false, a lie, or misleading.
"The pilot guns the engines for a few seconds..." Another "classical
Bassism". I could say that you've really got a "thing" for "guns", but
I won't. I do wonder if you found this in the same aviation manual that
spells "aileron", "aeleron"? You can't "gun" a gas turbine like you can
your car's engine. They just don't work (or respond) the same way.
You've never flown a turbine aircraft so you wouldn't know. Why not ask
your "pilot friends" to explain "reverse thrust"?
Frank Olson
>
> You're missing the obvious. He's lying. There was nothing at EH Expo. I buy more from ADI than Mugford and ten like him.
That's funny... That's not what the guys at ADI say.
> Do you
> think they give a rat's olson what he thinks?
What part of the rat is called the "olson"?
> They bend over backward to take care of my account.
The have to bend way over to try and find it. It's in the bottom of the
filing cabinet. I think they call it the "bullshit drawer".
> The same is true of most of the
> others.
What others?
> I say most because I don't buy enough GE stuff to keep an open account with them.
You're not even a fat blip on their radar.
> They're more interested in the ADT's of
> this world.
Really? I don't think so.
> That's fine with me. I get better prices on their stuff from a 3rd party distributor than I could get buying direct.
What's a "3rd party distributor"? Is that the guy you call after the
other two hang up in your ear?
>
> I also supply a few small dealers and every once in a while (like today, for example) I actually get orders from a small
> distributor.
What "small distributor" would that be?? Surely not the one I work
for!! :-)
> I buy certain CCTV lines in enough quantity that my cost is now lower than some distributors are paying.
Brown... all I've seen you post so far is Bullshit.
>
>
>>it might be more for the listener's benefit
>
>
> Naah. Itt was for your "benefit". Mugford and Worthy are inveterate liars.
Which you still have to prove. How about posting those cease and desist
orders from Honeywell?? How about the letter from the Florida Attorney
General's office that "clears" you of operating without a license? How
about posting the details of "bogus complaints" filed at the Better
Business Bureau by "certain detractors" in ASA? You're an "inveterate
liar", Bass, and you've been caught "brown" handed...
While you're at it, how about responding to me directly so we can face
off "mano-e-mano"? Or are you really the coward I've been saying you are?
>
> For a few small dealers it is. One guy in Tennessee losthis account with ADI due to business problems. He orders a few
> Ademco/Honeywell panels from me two or three times a month.
Yeah... right... Some guy in Tennessee that hasn't paid his bill get's
parts "drop shipped" from the ADI warehouse there... Sure, Bass, sure...
>
>
>>I have told countless horror stories about
>>various dealer's or integrators work to
>>different manufacturers...
>
>
> I'll give you a clue as to what Napco says about me. They wrote a story about one of my customized Napco installations for an
> Orthodox synagogue in their newsletter a few years ago. The story was titled, "Friday the Rabbi Slept Late".
What does that "say" about you, though?
> In another issue they
> wrote about a custom job I did for a blind couple.
It would be worth writing about if you'd done it "gratis"...
>
> I've been a Napco dealer longer than most of these jackasses have been in the trade.
And you *still* haven't programmed one of their systems from the
keypad... Tsk!!!
Bob Worthy
> > So if everyone of these manufacturers
> > and supply houses has a story about
> > Bass
>
> You're missing the obvious. He's lying. There was nothing at EH Expo.
Don't remember seeing your face in the group discussion. Only your name and
the OP's comments.
I buy more from ADI than Mugford and ten like him. Do you
> think they give a rat's olson what he thinks?
Get with it Robert, Mugford wasn't even involved in this thread. Obviously
he has gotten into your head. Try to concentrate on what you are saying, it
will help you keep your stories straight.
They bend over backward to take care of my account.
No, I think they simply got tired of being bent over backwards with your
warranty abuse.
The same is true of most of the
> others.
Really...
I say most because I don't buy enough GE stuff to keep an open account with
them.
To keep or get an open account with them?
They're more interested in the ADT's of
> this world. That's fine with me. I get better prices on their stuff from
a 3rd party distributor than I could get buying direct.
You're a third party distributor, so what you are saying is that you are
buying from a competitor for less money.....hmmm..
> I also supply a few small dealers and every once in a while (like today,
for example) I actually get orders from a small
> distributor.
That is either BS or that distributor is a complete fool. Tell us how
warrantys work when buying from resellers like yourself Robert, unless your
dependant on the manufacturer not knowing the product was resold and then
resold again. Do you offer full disclosure about the manufacturers warranty
when you sell parts to your customers Robert?
> > it might be more for the listener's benefit
>
> Naah. Itt was for your "benefit". Mugford and Worthy are inveterate
liars.
There's that Mugford name again. Bad Norm, go to your room for getting into
Robert's head.
> > If you sell enough of their gear, they will
> > invite you to a black tie ball and let you
> > attend in a g-string if you like, and still
> > bill you as the guest of honor...
>
> Hmm. The black tie dinner sounds great but that G-string event would get
ne killed. Angela bought a pair of scissors from this
> Bobbit woman on eBay and...
decided they would be useless so she sold them back :^)
>
> > In fact if ADI were to start booting folks
> > using the 80% versus 20% rule, guys like
> > Bass probably wouldn't be hurt, but it
> > might end up being that Bass' store was
> > the only way to get parts for some folks
> > here.
>
> For a few small dealers it is. One guy in Tennessee lost his account with
ADI due to business problems. He orders a few
> Ademco/Honeywell panels from me two or three times a month.
Supporting the deadbeats are you? If he handled his account in a way to
loose it, how does he handle the rest of his business? But again there are
parts sellers and there are those that are in the security business. Parts
sellers don't care who they sell to. How many unlicensed contractors do you
sell to Robert? Since you are so anti-regulation, you probably never
considered inquiring about licensing when selling to someone that is
obviously buying more than a DIYer would buy, have you?
>
> > I have told countless horror stories about
> > various dealer's or integrators work to
> > different manufacturers...
>
> I'll give you a clue as to what Napco says about me.
You don't have a clue what Napco or anyone else outside this forum says
"about" you. You only know what they say "to" you.
> They wrote a story about one of my customized >Napco installations for an
>Orthodox synagogue in their newsletter a few >years ago.
A persons reputation is only as good as his last transaction. How long ago
was your last install?
>The story was titled, "Friday the Rabbi Slept >Late". In another issue
they
>wrote about a custom job I did for a blind >couple.
A few years ago, when I was in high school, I was an All-State football
player and had lots of articles written about me, but you don't see me
trying to compete with the "pros" today.
> I've been a Napco dealer longer than most of these jackasses have been in
the trade.
So what are you trying to say? That because your an old timer, the people in
tech support should bow down to the phone when you call?
> > To date none has ever bothered to take any action against any dealer
that has any real
> > volume with them...
Except when they are being abused.
Robert L Bass
> my worst enemy when I was in high school,do that count to?
In your case, probably not.
Petem
the only thing you ever snap rolled is a cap of soda...
And the question was not to you..
Unless you feel like being more then you are...Oups...should not asked that
question..we already knows the answer,you feel like you are more then
yourself,and who could blame you?
being a prick,a liar,a convict,and a so bad lover that only woman from third
world country could support to live with you...ANYTHING would BEG to be more
then YOU....
"Robert L Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> Well, I think this post got alittle off topic so let me "Re- Rail" this
> train!
>
> Thanks to all who helped me. I got the panel unlocked.
>
> Matthew
>
Hi Matthew,
did you use the EPROMS reset? thanks