DMP? is there such an alarm system made?
Jacob Ashbury
Anyone familiar with these?
VSS DOUG
the newer panels.
Doug L
Michael B. Baker
<ch...@mindspring.com> wrote:
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>Anyone familiar with these?
>
>
Their website is http://www.dmpnet.com
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Michael B. Baker
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they beta-decay away."
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Jacob Ashbury
and the info on the panels looks good.
Wondering what the experiences out there are.
Michael B. Baker <mbb...@teleport.com> wrote in message
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TracNo9
California
with offices in Sacramento and the Bay Area.
I would think thay should have a web site.
Michael B. Baker
<ch...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Yea, I got the web site from ?? you?? the other night. The site looks good
>and the info on the panels looks good.
>Wondering what the experiences out there are.
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We've been a DMP dealer for about 10 years. Excellent product line,
very reliable, and backward compatible.
Their new door control features allow for HID readers (built in to the
keypad if desired), and direct-connect or remote modem connect for
end-user control.
The high-end product is the XR200 and can be configured into an
addressable fire alarm system, door control, intrusion alarm or all
three in concert. 1000 users, 242 zones, and up to 16 doors (door
control). It can even be hung on a TCP/IP network.
I recommend them highly.
Robert L Bass
it is a larger, more flexible product. If you or any others have had
opportunity to work with both systems I'd like to hear your opinion. Also,
how does it compare in dealer cost?
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.BassHome.com
ICQ: 34679978
80 Bentwood Road
West Hartford, CT 06107
860-561-9542 voice
860-561-5210 fax
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Michael B. Baker wrote in message <371db06...@news.teleport.com>...
Jeff Cohen
the product line. They seem even more loyal than some of the traditional
Radionics Dealers.
From what I've seen, I haven't worked very much with DMP, it's a great piece
of equipment. NOT for a DIYer or a small Dealer. My understanding, like
Radionics, ITI, DS, and others, they have a minimum quota for Dealers (not
sure, though).
As a Central Station, the only draw back, is you need a DMP receiver to
maximize the system's capability. Similar to the ITI format, in the sense
that with the proper receiver, you get expanded information.
Just my two cents,
ITIMAN wrote in message ...
>Have only had positive comments from DMP dealers I know. I am also familiar
>with some of their management.
>
>DMP has a reputation for having a quality Commercial-style control. (Good
>Fire aspects..)
>
>--
>Britt Sandusky
>ITI Area Manager
>South Texas and Louisiana
>
>iti...@austin.rr.com
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>
>Jacob Ashbury <ch...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:7fgr51$vs7$1...@samsara0.mindspring.com...
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>> Anyone familiar with these?
>>
>>
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Jacob Ashbury
And programming- how does it program?
Keypad, special keypad, extra cost tool, what?
Please- so far the panel looks good.
Where are they made?
How does the cost compare to say a Vista 10se or DSC 1555 or 832?
Not shopping as of yet, just 'browsing.'
ITIMAN <iti...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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ITIMAN
Michael B. Baker
<ch...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Thanks so far- the keypad? Is the keypad easy to use?
The keypad is very easy to use. It is obvious that DMP has spent a lot
of time refining the user interface.
>And programming- how does it program?
>Keypad, special keypad, extra cost tool, what?
All DMP controls may be programmed via the LCD keypad. The smaller
systems such as residential, are quickly programmed with the installed
keypad. When you start trying to program a couple of hundred zones,
the software downloader is much easier and can be used at the panel
(direct connect) or via modem. DMP has an excellent video tape set
describing how to program the system. Best I've seen.
>Please- so far the panel looks good.
>Where are they made?
USA
>How does the cost compare to say a Vista 10se or DSC 1555 or 832?
>Not shopping as of yet, just 'browsing.'
Comparable pricing to those models when buying as a dealer. We are a
Radionics dealer also. Many of the low-to-mid priced systems pencil
out cheaper with DMP vs. Radionics. I am not a fan of Ademco since
they retired the 100 panel and am not fond of the DSC line.
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Robert L Bass
>
> .... NOT for a DIYer or a small Dealer. My understanding,
> like Radionics, ITI, DS, and others, they have a minimum
> quota for Dealers (not sure, though).
Why would this system not be for DIY installation? Are specialized tools
required?
> As a Central Station, the only draw back, is you need a
> DMP receiver to maximize the system's capability.
That would indeed be a drawback for most. I wonder how many contract
stations have DMP receivers.
> Just my two cents....
Of greater value than that, friend.
Jacob Ashbury
I have the 5200 and it is so easy to use I couldn't believe it. The manuals
are over-kill and very dry. The 'gizmo' is intuitive and actually fun.
I have done more Radionics in the last 6 weeks than any other brand. The
keypad programming seemed harder than it was. I imagine there is much that
can not be accomplished with the keypad on the larger panels- most of mine
have D2112s.
The Keypad (D202) has to be the easiest on the market for homeowners. I
wonder why other manufactures went to a more structured keypad instead of a
type that (Radionics) had proven had wide customer acceptance.
What has replaced the 2112?
Why do some 2112s go berserk when the weather changes?
Is it true the panel runs off the battery? If so then this explains its
nasty habit of eating batteries.
After tearing out hundreds I have begun to see the worth of the little
beast.
Are there any books out there that tell some of the insider secrets?
What can be done about the lack of communications . . . (I know, get a
newer panel) Well anyway, I have grown rather fond of them- not as fond as
DSCs- but I don't automatically replace them anymore.news:371d4784...@news.teleport.com...
Jeff Cohen
past and present, the two best, by far, are the 6112 and 7212. The 6112 was
and is a great workhorse. It has its limits though. The 7212 is great for
commercial, especially commercial fire. I've always liked an integrated
burg/fire panel. I've had experience with many other brands and I think the
7212 in the burg/fire application outshines the others.
However, for light commercial and residential, I wouldn't use Radionics
because they don't offer the features, out of the box, like Ademco and
others. Not to mention that the 202 keypad is one of the ugliest, IMHO,
keypads on the market. It's up there with the old Moose and FBI keypads for
aesthetic ugliness.
To answer your question about the weather, we monitor over 2000 Radionics
panels along with thousands of other panels, and weather plays a factor in
all of them, 2112 is not atypical. The funny thing is, that there are more
problems with the newer panels, from any manufacturer, than the older ones.
I guess they don't build them like they used to... However, you may want to
make sure that you ground every panel properly, that will reduce the
likelyhood of surges/spikes and other problems negatively effecting the
control panel.
Hope I was helpful, if not amusing...
Irv Fisher
at an ISCW years ago, someone told me DMP had just released a
panel/receiver combo that after hours, dialed into the station and
stayed on line all through the closing period which effectively gave
them a dedicated line but through the PSTN. Again, I have no idea if
this was true but it sure sounded true.
On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:05:09 GMT, "Robert L Bass" <alar...@home.com>
wrote:
Irv Fisher
to DMP from Radionics.
I was sitting in a restaurant at an ISCW show years ago when several
salesmen from different manufacturers sat down in the booth next to
me. I couldn't help but overhear their conversation. One part was
about DMP. They said it was unfair competiton to them because DMP was
also an alarm company. The implication was because the stuff was
designed by alarm guys, it was liked more by other alarm guys than the
stuff their engineers were designing.
I have no idea if this stuff is true but I sure met a lot of Radionics
dealers that had gone to DMP that said more or less the same thing.
Being a Canadian and at the time, 100% into contract monitoring of low
security stuff, I didn't verify if there was any truth to this. If
anyone can help clarify this, it would be appreciated.
On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:03:27 -0400, "Jeff Cohen"
<jeffc@NO_SPAMquickresponse.net> wrote:
>The DMP Dealers that I've either talked to, or are customers, tend to love
>the product line. They seem even more loyal than some of the traditional
>Radionics Dealers.
>
>From what I've seen, I haven't worked very much with DMP, it's a great piece
>of equipment. NOT for a DIYer or a small Dealer. My understanding, like
>Radionics, ITI, DS, and others, they have a minimum quota for Dealers (not
>sure, though).
>
>As a Central Station, the only draw back, is you need a DMP receiver to
>maximize the system's capability. Similar to the ITI format, in the sense
>that with the proper receiver, you get expanded information.
>
>Just my two cents,
>
>Jeff
>je...@quickresponse.net
>
>ITIMAN wrote in message ...
Jacob Ashbury
Ugly keypad?
Well maybe ugly but customers love it. Simple to use, intuitive, built in
user manual.
Jeff Cohen <jeffc@NO_SPAMquickresponse.net> wrote in message
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Mark Leuck
programming scanned for the 1912XR I'd greatly appreciate having them, tried
getting it from DMP but so far no luck, think they forgot me
is there any difference between it and the XR200 as far as arming/disarming
etc?
Jeff Cohen wrote in message ...
Mark Leuck
Robert L Bass wrote in message ...
>Jeff Cohen wrote:
>>
>> .... NOT for a DIYer or a small Dealer. My understanding,
>> like Radionics, ITI, DS, and others, they have a minimum
>> quota for Dealers (not sure, though).
>
>required?
>
For one thing they would need a specialized modem to download it, other than
that I can't think of any reason not to use it for a DIY installation,
programming seems straight-forward
Mark Leuck
Jeff Cohen wrote in message ...
>panels along with thousands of other panels, and weather plays a factor in
>all of them, 2112 is not atypical. The funny thing is, that there are more
>problems with the newer panels, from any manufacturer, than the older ones.
>I guess they don't build them like they used to... However, you may want
to
>make sure that you ground every panel properly, that will reduce the
>likelyhood of surges/spikes and other problems negatively effecting the
>control panel.
>Hope I was helpful, if not amusing...
Just curious but what kind of problems happen with bad weather?
Jacob Ashbury
Arizona/New Mexico.West Texas dust and sand storms cause false alarms.
All the above and lightning storms cause RJ troubles, 2112 zone faultings
and some keypad entered code changes (such as motions beeping along with
doors) and again 2112 batteries to heat and (the cheap ones) to spill acid
and eat negative terminals like crazy.
In Albuquerque one of the big companies always puts the entire service and
install force on stand-by when ever a lightning rich rain storm is coming.
The Radionics seem the most susceptible.
I suspect the RJ problems come from many companies years back using the
cheap (even a good RJ is cheap) "Premier" brand blocks and cords. The
cladding in the blocks seems to evaporate and the cord wires must be #40 or
something with a metal composite.
First Alert 120s (remember them) suffered line seizure woes and the early
batches 145s wanted to burn panels instead of fuses.
Lightning storms with a heavy pressure increase seems to be the worst
culprit.
Mark Leuck <mleuck(No Spam)@iadfw.net> wrote in message
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James R Turner
I have NEVER seen these panels sold except thru
a dealer with monitoring. So you will not be able to
buy the other little goodies (rs-232 logging, expansion etc)
unless your dealer does it.
The keypads are attractive, with clock display and
nice arrangement of panics, but the numbers are not in
standard 10-key configuration. :(
Their panels are feature rich, offering you most of what
you will need, including the best paging... You can use
a standard numeric pager, and get zone ##, and fault type,
or select alpha mode, and get full text display of
events including text zone names and user names,
sent to alpha pagers using IXO protocol. This is
the only panel I have found that can do this.
+ s
Mark Leuck
James R Turner wrote in message <372278...@swixo.com>...
>http://www.dmpnet.com/
>
>The keypads are attractive, with clock display and
>nice arrangement of panics, but the numbers are not in
>standard 10-key configuration. :(
Dumb question but is that important? I've messed with many different keypads
and never really paid much attention ot how the keys are arranged
BTW, this reminds me, are there any companies that make BRAILLE keypads?
(spelling?) I had a request for one today and have no clue
James Brown
with the phone module, the employee used a braille phone in the lobby for arming
and disarming.
On a similar note, a few years ago I had a request for a application where someone
could not hear, and we used vibration devices in addition to the sirens.
JB
Thomas Gerchak wrote:
> What system would you require a Braille keypad for? I was just thinking
> you could use a telephone with the Escort module. I have seen people
> here ask for large button keypads. This might also work. Just a
> thought.
>
> Respectfully,
> thomas
James Brown
I'd be interested in seeing them.
JB
Robert L Bass wrote:
> There are Braille label makers similar to (possibly made by) Dymo around.
> You can simply make Braille stick=on labels and place them over the keys. I
> once set up a custom made system to tell a blind client which of his 28
> zones was open by turning two knobs and listening for the tone. He had a
> Braille zone list stuck to the wall next to the touch pad.
>
> These days you have several options available in the form of talking
> touchpads, such as the Napco EVA-1 "Electronic Voice Assistant." I have
> installed these in homes of blind clients. They work great. If you have
> other concerns or questions regarding this, please post them. I've done a
> few such jobs with good results and would be happy to share what worked for
> me.
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> ==========================>
> Bass Home Electronics
> The Online DIY Alarm Store
> http://www.BassHome.com
> ICQ: 34679978
> 80 Bentwood Road
> West Hartford, CT 06107
> 860-561-9542 voice
> 860-561-5210 fax
> ==========================>
>
> Thomas Gerchak wrote in message <3726804C...@flash.net>...
Thomas Gerchak
Robert L Bass
You can simply make Braille stick=on labels and place them over the keys. I
once set up a custom made system to tell a blind client which of his 28
zones was open by turning two knobs and listening for the tone. He had a
Braille zone list stuck to the wall next to the touch pad.
These days you have several options available in the form of talking
touchpads, such as the Napco EVA-1 "Electronic Voice Assistant." I have
installed these in homes of blind clients. They work great. If you have
other concerns or questions regarding this, please post them. I've done a
few such jobs with good results and would be happy to share what worked for
me.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.BassHome.com
ICQ: 34679978
80 Bentwood Road
West Hartford, CT 06107
860-561-9542 voice
860-561-5210 fax
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Thomas Gerchak wrote in message <3726804C...@flash.net>...
Robert L Bass
Braille software
http://www.nanopac.com/duxbury.htm
Lots of stuff, including a Braille Dymo label maker
http://www.brailleinstitute.org/StuStore/home.html
American Council for the Blind
http://www.acb.org/
Supplies for Visually Impaired
http://www.woodlaketec.com/prodindex.html
Braille Courses
http://hadley-school.org/indexbraille.htm
Printers and supplies
http://www.atcbrleqp.com/contents.htm
Braille vendor links
http://www.rdcbraille.com/sources.html
Braille computer displays
http://www.aagi.com/
Computer access catalogs for the blind
http://www.blind.net/bg440001.html
QUick (10-minute) course to learn Braille
http://www.brailler.com/mobrl.htm
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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Bass Home Electronics
The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.BassHome.com
ICQ: 34679978
80 Bentwood Road
West Hartford, CT 06107
860-561-9542 voice
860-561-5210 fax
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James Brown wrote in message <3726897B...@Brownfamily.com>...
>I haven't seen the braille labels, do you know of a site that advertises
them?
>I'd be interested in seeing them.
>
>JB
>
>Robert L Bass wrote:
>
Nick
MAXIAIDS
42 Executive Blvd.
Farmingdale, NY 11735
516-752-0521
800-522-6294
They sell all sorts of useful products to aid the visually impaired. I know that
they carry stick on large print characters with Braille for computer keyboard key
caps. Too large for most alarm keypads but they may have other suggestions.
Best Regards,
Nick
James R Turner
> >nice arrangement of panics, but the numbers are not in
> >standard 10-key configuration. :(
>
> Dumb question but is that important? I've messed with many different keypads
> and never really paid much attention ot how the keys are arranged
It is only important, if you think it is important. Personally I
am very use to the typical arrangement of a 10-key keypad, and find
this "feature" of theirs annoying. Not a big deal Mark, just
something I noticed.
j