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Eeeasy

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Nov 7, 2001, 8:41:12 PM11/7/01
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If Miss Cleo can afford $75,000, imagine how much she kept! I 'd love
to have her on my staff. Telemarketing is no more obnoxious than the
Bud Light commercial during "Friends".This is a serious blow to
capitalism and the American way. Whats' next, direct mail?, 3 or more
congregating without a permit? These scumb bag legislators don't have
a clue about the "real" America and what made it great. God Bless
America and Free Enterprise!
Bob

On 8 Nov 2001 00:56:26 -0000, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header
(badenov) wrote:

>The Missouri Attorney General has filed suit against ADT for violating the
>state's telemarketing law. Missouri residents have the option of placing
>their names on a statewide "No Call List," which all telemarketers are
>required to honor. Nearly 800,000 people have placed their names on this
>list since the program started on July 1 -- roughly 40% of the state's
>population. (Yes, you telemarketers--people really _do_ wish you'd eat
>shit and die!)
>
>In the first month of the new law's existence, 218 complaints were filed
>against ADT. Each complaint could result in a $5000 fine, plus an
>injunction prohibiting any more illegal calls.
>
>So far, ADT apparently has not reached a settlement with the Attorney
>General's office, as many other telemarketers have. Telephone psychic
>"Miss Cleo" has paid a $75,000 fine for similar violations.
>
>At least 16 other states are considering mandatory statewide "do not call"
>programs.
>
>
>

Nathan Beckroge

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Nov 7, 2001, 9:34:22 PM11/7/01
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That has got to be the best garbage I have read all day. You say
telemarketers aren't annoying? What the hell are you smoking? I have a
telemarketing department myself. And we do generate alot of sales off of it;
but they are still annoying as hell. Tennessee has a no call list, of which
I am subscribed. If I get called on by solicitors, and I haven't yet, I will
report them We abide by the rules, so should they.

And I hate to bust your bubble there Eeeasy, but telemarketing didn't make
this nation great. A few leaders with good ideas did. This nation was
probably the biggest expieriment the world has ever seen. We should all just
be thankful it worked.

To say that stopping telemarketing is "a serious blow to
capitalism and the American way" is a bunch of horse shit. I suggest you
rethink your position.
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Jack Stevens

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Great. Sign me up. Also needed is a "Do not Spam" and "Do not Fax" list.
I got a spam today that begn with the disclaimer: "This is not spam". Then
they made their case as to why it wasn't spam. Geez...
--
Jack Stevens

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Jack Stevens

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Nov 7, 2001, 10:06:46 PM11/7/01
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Eeeasy wrote

>
>Telemarketing is no more obnoxious than the
> Bud Light commercial during "Friends".

That's a subjective satement. You may beleive it, but I suspect the vast
majority of Americans do not.

>This is a serious blow to
> capitalism and the American way.

No, it's not. It's nuisance abatement.

>Whats' next, direct mail?

We can only hope. I don't want all that crap in my mail. What a waste of
resources.

> 3 or more congregating without a permit?

How is that germaine?

>These scumb bag legislators don't have
> a clue about the "real" America and what made it great.

You have a point there.

God Bless
> America and Free Enterprise!

Amen

Tom Fowler

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Nov 8, 2001, 3:58:05 AM11/8/01
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Subject: ADT slapped for illegal telemarketing
From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (badenov)
Date: 11/7/01 7:56 PM Eastern Standard Time
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>The Missouri Attorney General has filed suit against ADT for violating the
state's telemarketing law.<

It's NOT a suit against ADT. It's against an ADT authorized dealer. ADT
corporate doesn't cold call.



>Missouri residents have the option of placing
their names on a statewide "No Call List," which all telemarketers are
required to honor. Nearly 800,000 people have placed their names on this
list since the program started on July 1 -- roughly 40% of the state's
population.<

It's political posturing. These lists mean dick if the company is calling from
another state (like MANY do). Direct Marketing in Long Island, NY is who to
write to remove your name from national do not call lists.

>(Yes, you telemarketers--people really _do_ wish you'd eat
shit and die!)<

You're ignorant. I'd be willing to bet if you had half a clue how to
successfully market using telemarketing that you'd be doing it.

>In the first month of the new law's existence, 218 complaints were filed
against ADT. Each complaint could result in a $5000 fine, plus an
injunction prohibiting any more illegal calls.<

Not ADT. You seem to have a vendetta against ADT. Are you jealous of their
success?

>So far, ADT apparently has not reached a settlement with the Attorney
General's office, as many other telemarketers have.<

Because ADT does NOT cold call. Tell the whole story next time.

>Telephone psychic
"Miss Cleo" has paid a $75,000 fine for similar violations.<

Miss Cleo also doesn't cold call. A no call list is meant to keep companies
from CALLING not for keeping residents from DIALING.

>At least 16 other states are considering mandatory statewide "do not call"
programs.

<

Hopefully, before it hits state #50, you'll actually learn what the program
consists of.
Until then, I'm certain you'll continue to blather away about how you hate
telemarketing.
I'm sure you'll start bitching and moaning about door to door sales too.
NEWSFLASH!!!!!!!!!! It's LEGAL too, just like telemarketing!!!!!!

Britt Sandusky

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Nov 8, 2001, 4:09:19 AM11/8/01
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Fowler:

I consider you a "bud", however, telemarketers do suck!!!!! I hate the calls
at 4-7 pm. I rent a house and get tons of calls on "would you like vinyl
siding?" and "we can finance a pool for your backyard" and on and on.

Credit card companies are the worst. When I tell them "I don't have a SSN #
is that OK?" they usually hang up. Very rude.

If telemarketers would at least target instead of "shotgun", they would be
more tolerable.

I know it works, as I have been around some *very* successful telemarketers
in the alarm biz.

However, Ivan Boesky (sp) was very successful as well. That doesn't mean his
methods were a-ok.

Peace Out

BS


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Tom Fowler

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Nov 8, 2001, 7:36:10 AM11/8/01
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Britt writes:
If telemarketers would at least target instead of "shotgun", they would be
more tolerable.

Tom writes:
Britt, I couldn't agree with you more. Most telemarketing firms don't have a
clue about target marketing. If they did there would be very few pissed off
folks out there. Companies are too damn cheap to invest in quality calling
material. I only market new homeowners and folks that fill out drop box slips.
I/we speak to the homeowner ONE TIME unless they wish me to call back. If they
say "not interested" I/we attempt to overcome the objection and if the outcome
is still no they are to be removed from our marketing list.


What I don't agree with is these bozos that attack the industry as a whole.
Telemarketers have put quite a few dollars in your pocket. I know you're no
longer with ITI but for sake of discussion let's say you were still there. ITI
sells quite a bit to mass marketers. Without mass marketers ITI's business
would be cut immensely. Would you go without telemarketers and lose the income
or would you keep them and earn more?
Can't have your cake and eat it too.

ITI is able to produce more equipment at a lower cost because of the sheer
volume of business they conduct. Take away the mass marketers like ADT,
Monitronics, and ProtectAmerica, and what happens to the cost of the product?
It goes up. Why? ITI needs to compensate for business lost. No longer can they
offer volume discounts because nobody is buying volume. EVERYONE that buys from
ITI pays the higher price.
Where would ITI have been if not for companies like Alarmguard who only
marketed residential via telemarketing?
Yes, I hate phone calls at 8am asking if I want a new Popiel Pocket Fisherman
but at the same time I respect telemarketing for what it does for business
overall.

J21Nestor

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Nov 8, 2001, 9:07:17 AM11/8/01
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The problem with a suit regarding a "Do Not Call List" is that many times the
company being sued just has to show they have made an effort to keep such a
list, such as ordering such a list from Direct Marketing, and keeping an
in-house list.

I used to work for a lawncare company that made 90% of their money on
telemarketing. It obviously works because they are the biggest company doing
lawncare, anywhere. The telemarketer is told not to concentrate on the people
saying no, but finding those that will say yes. On average, 1 of 5 people
would say yes to an initial quote, then anywhere between 12% to 23% of those
quoted would become a customer, depending on the quality of the lead. We did
not tolerate TMs who falsified information or intentionally annoyed the people
they were calling.

If a center is run well and the telemarketers are compensated properly for
sales and leads, they have no desire to stay on the phone with someone who
obviously wasn't going to buy. It made more sense to continue calling to find
the one that would.

It does not change the fact that alot of people find telemarketers annoying,
but telemarketing is still a very effective marketing tool.

Jeff Nestor,
Ace American Alarm Co.

Britt Sandusky

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Nov 8, 2001, 4:12:03 PM11/8/01
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No doubt about it. Without AlarmGard , ITI would have been hurting for
numbers in the NE US. However, many of the telemarketers were more of a pain
than the sales were worth. (PA and Monitronics)

Yea, target telemarketing is at least a step in the right direction. I know
telemarketing works, but I have no idea how. I have never bought anything
from one. Neither has my Parents, brother, or any friends. It just seems
like a bad deal to disturb 1000 people to get 1 sucker.

Even while making sales from telemarketers, I hated them. (And still do)


<<Unrelated Spam Revenge Story>>

One night (while having a few beers) I got some spam with a 800 #. I called
and wasted lot's of the agents time. Then called back and said I would fax
my order in. Then I faxed (winfax) 50+ black (not blank) pages. (They cut
off the machine on page 22 or so). Then I called and demanded to know the
owners name. They gave it to me. I figured out the city by the area-code of
the fax #, and did a phone lookup on the owner. I found him!! Called his
house (11:00pm). His wife answered and said he wasn't home. I said... "This
is John at the call center!! All the lines are down and I don't know what do
do!" She gave me his cell phone #. I called collect (this actually worked
for the 1st call). And asked him if he would like to purchase my used
computer. When he bitched and moaned about me calling his cell, I bitched a
moaned about his bulk-email campaign. Needless to say this was one hell of a
fun night. Point being, these people have no problem wasting our time,
however, they sure can't take it when we waste theirs.

<<end>>

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Tom Fowler

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From: "Britt Sandusky" newsg...@brittsandusky.com
Date: 11/8/01 4:12 PM Eastern Standard Time
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>No doubt about it. Without AlarmGard , ITI would have been hurting for
numbers in the NE US. However, many of the telemarketers were more of a pain
than the sales were worth. (PA and Monitronics)<

Alarmguard's marketing was a complete joke. They used predictive dialers and
called EVERYONE. Russ handed marketing over to John who has a firm belief that
if you throw enough sh*t against the wall enough will stick to make it
worthwhile. If they used target marketing they would have been more successful.
They also used horrid telemarketers.

>Yea, target telemarketing is at least a step in the right direction. I know
telemarketing works, but I have no idea how.<

It's very simple Britt. Let's say you've been thinking about buying a cable
modem but just never have the time to shop for one. You've seen the commercials
over and over yet you don't act. One day your phone rings and it's a cable rep
offering you a free modem with your agreeing to a service contract. Odds are
you accept the offer. There's a sale that wouldn't exist if not for
telemarketing. Telemarketing helps push the procrastinators over the fence and
into the sale. Unfortunately it also pushes the TOTALLY disinterested party
over the edge.

>I have never bought anything
from one. Neither has my Parents, brother, or any friends.<

You, your parents, and your brother have NEVER subscribed to a newspaper
before? Think about it.

>It just seems
like a bad deal to disturb 1000 people to get 1 sucker.<

They're not suckers because they buy over the phone Britt. Some people actually
like telemarketers calling. Many homebound people used that as a means of
shopping.
The 1000 to 1 ratio is just a sign that companies don't market properly. I can
guarantee you that out of 10 contacts I'll wind up with at least 1 install.
What I do differently is all in the manner in which I speak to the people
(NEVER sound like a telemarketer) and how I qualify the clients. I've sent
rough drafts of my script but I've never sent anyone the back end versions (I
don't work for free). I deal with the people in a very different manner. I act
as if I am standing as a guest in their home and I do provide full disclosure.
The clients I choose to market are carefully picked based on certain criteria
that must be met.
Companies like Alarmguard would call everyone regardless of who they are,
where, and how they live. They also called at all hours of the day. Again, I am
careful as to the times I call.
I am searching for clients while making sure I don't wind up finding a few
enemies along the way.
Marketing is extremely simple when done properly. The problem is most companies
won't invest the upfront dollars on material or spend a sufficient amount of
time training their marketers because they can get the same results for less
even if it means pissing off 99% of the population.

>Even while making sales from telemarketers, I hated them. (And still do)<

Then give the money back you earned off of them : )

Eeeasy

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Shame on you Nathan for being such a hypocrite.
Bob

Britt Sandusky

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Nov 8, 2001, 9:03:32 PM11/8/01
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Let's not get into a pissing match here. (Boy things are nice and quiet
without Bass)

>
> >No doubt about it. Without AlarmGard , ITI would have been hurting for
> numbers in the NE US. However, many of the telemarketers were more of a
pain
> than the sales were worth. (PA and Monitronics)<
>

> Alarmguard's marketing was a complete joke. YES They used predictive
dialers and
> called EVERYONE. YES Russ handed marketing over to John who has a firm


belief that
> if you throw enough sh*t against the wall enough will stick to make it
> worthwhile. If they used target marketing they would have been more
successful.

> They also used horrid telemarketers. YES


>
> >Yea, target telemarketing is at least a step in the right direction. I
know
> telemarketing works, but I have no idea how.<

WHAT I MEAN IS THAT I CAN'T BELIEVE PEOPLE ACTUALLY FALL FOR IT.


>
> It's very simple Britt. Let's say you've been thinking about buying a
cable
> modem but just never have the time to shop for one. You've seen the
commercials
> over and over yet you don't act. One day your phone rings and it's a cable
rep
> offering you a free modem with your agreeing to a service contract. Odds
are
> you accept the offer. There's a sale that wouldn't exist if not for
> telemarketing. Telemarketing helps push the procrastinators over the fence
and
> into the sale. Unfortunately it also pushes the TOTALLY disinterested
party
> over the edge.
>

THIS IS A VERY "WHAT IF" SITUATION. IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED TO ME.

> >I have never bought anything
> from one. Neither has my Parents, brother, or any friends.<
>
> You, your parents, and your brother have NEVER subscribed to a newspaper
> before? Think about it.
>

YEA, NEVER MEANS NEVER. If I (we) want something, we go get it. We don't
wait around
for the phone to ring.


> >It just seems
> like a bad deal to disturb 1000 people to get 1 sucker.<
>

OKAY, BUT LET'S SAY THAT MOST PEOPLE WHO DO BUY OVER THE PHONE ARE SUCKERS

THEN YOU ARE THE ONLY TELEMARKETER IN THE WORLD NOT PISSING OF PEOPLE
EACH AND EVERY NIGHT

IF YOU HAVE A 10% CLOSING RATIO, YOU ARE NOW MY GOD


>
> >Even while making sales from telemarketers, I hated them. (And still do)<
>
> Then give the money back you earned off of them : )

LOOK, I HATE THAD PASCAL, BUT I WONT GIVE HIS MONEY BACK EITHER
I DON'T HAVE TO LOVE YOU TO TAKE YOUR CASH

DONT' TAKE THIS AS A PERSONAL ATTACK. BUT THE FACT REMAINS (YOUR FIRM
EXEMPTED I SUPPOSE)

99% OF PHONE CALLS MADE BY TELEMARKETERS ARE TIME WASTERS/ ANOYING

PEOPLE WHO WORK 3RD SHIFT SHOULD BE ABLE TO REST IN PEACE AND NOT HAVE TO
SHUT THIER RINGERS OFF (THAT'S NOT ME, I'M A WELFARE BABY)

Nathan Beckroge

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> Shame on you Nathan for being such a hypocrite


please explain.


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Mark Leuck

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"Eeeasy" <payand...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> If Miss Cleo can afford $75,000, imagine how much she kept! I 'd love
> to have her on my staff. Telemarketing is no more obnoxious than the
> Bud Light commercial during "Friends".This is a serious blow to
> capitalism and the American way. Whats' next, direct mail?, 3 or more
> congregating without a permit? These scumb bag legislators don't have
> a clue about the "real" America and what made it great. God Bless
> America and Free Enterprise!
> Bob

BTW I hope to hell they outright ban telemarketers, they are pond scum in my
opinion

Mark Leuck

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"Eeeasy" <payand...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> If Miss Cleo can afford $75,000, imagine how much she kept! I 'd love
> to have her on my staff. Telemarketing is no more obnoxious than the
> Bud Light commercial during "Friends".This is a serious blow to
> capitalism and the American way. Whats' next, direct mail?, 3 or more
> congregating without a permit? These scumb bag legislators don't have
> a clue about the "real" America and what made it great. God Bless
> America and Free Enterprise!
> Bob

Miss Cleo is currently being sued by several states for telemarketing scams
including I think Missouri :)

Jim Rojas

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Miss Cleo is owned by Tyco... :)

Jim Rojas

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Alarminex

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In article <Q70H7.464$gZ6....@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>, "Jim Rojas"
<jro...@tech-man.com> writes:

>Subject: Re: ADT slapped for illegal telemarketing

>From: "Jim Rojas" <jro...@tech-man.com>
>Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 02:18:24 GMT


>
>Miss Cleo is owned by Tyco... :)
>

Actually ..... No kidding ....it's a fact that Miss Cleo is just an actress.
Doesn't know a thing about Tarot Cards.

>
>
Jim

Remove the Qzapp to email

Mark Leuck

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I always found it amazing people still call her, when she can guess my
credit card number I'll believe in her :)

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Ranger Alarm Services

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>Subject: Re: ADT slapped for illegal telemarketing
>From: alar...@aol.comQzapp (Alarminex)
>Date: 11/10/01 12:48 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20011110004828...@nso-fc.aol.com>

If you listen carefuly, every once in a while Miss Cleo loses her phoney West
Indian accent and sounds like she's really from Brooklyn. :)
All the best,
John
RANGER ALARM SERVICES
Serving: Nassau,Suffolk,Brooklyn and Queens N.Y.

Jim Rojas

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I knew that all along...what a phoney she is...

Jim Rojas

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Alarminex

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In article <20011110113255...@mb-md.aol.com>, nyal...@aol.com
(Ranger Alarm Services) writes:

>Subject: Re: ADT slapped for illegal telemarketing

>From: nyal...@aol.com (Ranger Alarm Services)
>Date: 10 Nov 2001 16:32:55 GMT

Well if thats the case, Jim Rojas used to live in Brooklyn NY and now resides
in the same State that Miss Cleo's company is from. Hmmmm I wonder ............

Craig Williamson

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badenov wrote:


>
> Tom Fowler said:
>
> >It's NOT a suit against ADT. It's against an ADT authorized dealer. ADT
> >corporate doesn't cold call.
>

> Actually, it IS a suit against ADT Security Services Inc. of Boca Raton,
> Florida. You can read about it at the attorney general's web page:
> http://www.ago.state.mo.us/080701.htm
>

Really? ADT doesn't cold call? I just got a call today and my alarm is
already serviced by ADT. It didn't start that way, I had someone else
before they bought my account. Sounds like they don't even know who
their customers are.

Craig

--

-Craig Williamson
cr...@conterra.com

Tom Fowler

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From: Craig Williamson cr...@conterra.com
Date: 11/10/01 7:20 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <3BEDC436...@conterra.com>

badenov wrote:
>
> Tom Fowler said:
>
> >It's NOT a suit against ADT. It's against an ADT authorized dealer. ADT
> >corporate doesn't cold call.
>
> Actually, it IS a suit against ADT Security Services Inc. of Boca Raton,
> Florida. You can read about it at the attorney general's web page:
> http://www.ago.state.mo.us/080701.htm
>

>Really?<
Yes really.

> ADT doesn't cold call?<

No ADT corporate does NOT cold call.
ADT has ONE telemarketing center and it's located in Jacksonville, FL. The call
center ONLY handles inbound calls. ADT branch reps canvass neighborhoods, work
"call in" leads from Jacksonville, and they work affinity program leads.

>I just got a call today and my alarm is
already serviced by ADT. It didn't start that way, I had someone else
before they bought my account. Sounds like they don't even know who
their customers are.<

You were more than likely called by an ADT authorized dealer who represented
themselves as ADT. I would imagine I have a tad bit of knowledge on the subject
as I was an ADT authorized dealer and worked for one as well.

Tom Fowler

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From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (badenov)
Date: 11/8/01 8:50 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Tom Fowler said:

>It's NOT a suit against ADT. It's against an ADT authorized dealer. ADT
>corporate doesn't cold call.

>Actually, it IS a suit against ADT Security Services Inc. of Boca Raton,
Florida. You can read about it at the attorney general's web page:
http://www.ago.state.mo.us/080701.htm<

You still don't know your ass from a hole in the ground about ADT. ADT
corporate does NOT cold call. ONE inbound call center in Jacksonville, FL is
what ADT corporate has. Try educating yourself to the facts and stop believing
everything you read in the "Daily HuckleBuckle" or whatever the hell newspaper
you have out there in farm country.


>
>It's political posturing. These lists mean dick if the company is calling from
>another state (like MANY do).

>Wrong again. The Missouri attorney general has already sued and collected
money from a bunch of out of state companies for violating the no call law,
including a Texas alarm company called Protect America.<

Another company that doesn't cold call. Like ADT, PA's authorized dealers do
all the telemarketing.

>The suit against
Miss Cleo was against a Delaware corporation with its principal place of
business in Miami. If you make phone calls into Missouri, the attorney
general is coming after you, God bless him.<

Send me the no call list and I'll turn my telemarketers loose on it and there's
not thing ONE he can do about it. Mass marketing alarm companies keep the cost
of equipment low. Morons like you have no problem paying the lower cost yet you
insult the very people that help keep it low.
Do you even own a business? Do you have any idea how the alarm industry
functions from top to bottom? Quit bitching about telemarkters and educate
yourself.

>>Telephone psychic
>"Miss Cleo" has paid a $75,000 fine for similar violations.<
>

>Miss Cleo also doesn't cold call. A no call list is meant to keep companies
>from CALLING not for keeping residents from DIALING.

>Wrong again. You can read all the details on the attorney general's web
site listed above. The company behind Miss Cleo, Access Resource Services
Inc., made telemarketing calls to Missouri residents offering psychic
readings. It's not just TV commercials that make money for Miss Cleo. Why
should you be surprised at that? If you ran the marketing for Miss Cleo,
you'd probably have people calling every home in America. Right, mon?

<

First of all ARS Inc. only calls those that have called the toll free line.
They don't pull a name out of a hat and cold call. They get the numbers to call
from their phone bill. When you call an 800# the # you have called from is
logged on their phone bill. It's a rather brilliant method of obtaining leads,
which is evidently why you never heard of it. You can pull 400 articles out of
your ass but unless you have any idea how a company markets your posts are
useless.
If I ran Cleo's marketing department my first call would be to your house to
offer a free reading .... "I predict you will remain a moron"......

Eeeasy

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Get em Tom! Hold them accountable for their nonsense statements.
God Bless America and FREE Enterprise.
Bob

Robert L Bass

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"Eeeasy" <payand...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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:
: If Miss Cleo can afford $75,000, imagine how much she kept! I 'd love

: to have her on my staff. Telemarketing is no more obnoxious than the
: Bud Light commercial during "Friends".This is a serious blow to
: capitalism and the American way.

I disagree. If someone places their name on a "do not call" list that means
they are not intewrested in hearing from any telemarketers. Companies that
violate laws to protect people from all-too-frequent annoying calls should
indeed be prosecuted for their misbehavior.

: Whats' next, direct mail?, 3 or more congregating without a permit?

Totally unrelated. Congragating is by mutual consent. Calling my personal line
during dinner is without my consent.

: These scumb bag legislators don't have a clue about the "real"


: America and what made it great. God Bless America and Free
: Enterprise!

Heh heh. Patriotism at its best. :)

Eeeasy, I have no problem with you or your business. But I disagree with you on
this one.

--
Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Robert L Bass

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"Britt Sandusky" <newsg...@brittsandusky.com> wrote in message
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: Let's not get into a pissing match here. (Boy things are nice and quiet
: without Bass)

That was uncalled for. Did I do something to offend you, Britt?

Robert L Bass

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I thought it was the other way around. :)

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: Miss Cleo is owned by Tyco... :)


Britt Sandusky

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Not at all, in fact, if you look at the post while you were gone, I was
defending you. I was refering to all the "bass-bashing" post that are
usually right after your posts.

Hope Rio was fun.

Britt

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Robert L Bass

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Oops. Sorry for misunderstanding your intent.

Yes indeed. Rio was fabulous! I'm planning to return in August if everything
works out OK. Check my post to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent for more details [:)]

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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: Not at all, in fact, if you look at the post while you were gone, I was

: >
: >
:
:


John

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Just as a side note for things you can do to disrupt telemarketing
calls, I'm sure everybody has seen the ad for the "TeleZapper", I
believe it runs for $50 at the Rat Crack.

Basically all it does is inject the "dee-doh-doo" tones that preface a
disconnected number. You can do the exact same thing yourself by
simply recording those tones at the beginning of your answering
machine message. The telemarketers computers hear the tone and
automatically file your number as "out of service", since many of them
make money by selling these data lists, after a few months you should
notice a decrease in calls.

Worth a try at least.

Download the SIT.wav tone from here:

http://www.flash.net/~carlton2/telemark.htm

Jim Rojas

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I have one even better...I signed up for a new service Verizon offers. It is
called Call Intercept. It intercepts all "unknown", "out of area", and *67
calls. It gets redirected to a Verizon voice prompt, kind of like making a
collect call...takes a few moments, so telemarketers usually hang up
immeadiately...telemarketing calls have stopped completely...amazing.

Jim Rojas

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Mark Leuck

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Heh, who needs the zapper! Thanks guy

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Mark Leuck

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That also means one cannot download your panel.

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Jim Rojas

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As long as you use a non callerid blocked number...it works fine.

Jim Rojas

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