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Dave White

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Dec 31, 2009, 3:24:30 PM12/31/09
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I am having issues with a card reader in my elevator not sending wiegand
data to my controller. all voltages are good at the reader. think it may be
interference causing problems.
will a wiegand extender fix this issue?


Effenpig1

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Dec 31, 2009, 4:49:02 PM12/31/09
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It's impossible to answer that question without further
troubleshooting.

Have you used a program like Hyper-terminal to check the data string
at the controller end?

Silicon Sam

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Dec 31, 2009, 7:34:38 PM12/31/09
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Have you tried pull-up resistors at the panel end on the data lines
0 and 1 yet?

Bob La Londe

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Dec 31, 2009, 9:07:42 PM12/31/09
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"Dave White" <renof...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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1. What is the total distance of wire from reader to controller?

2. Is the wire shielded with the shield connected to the ground lug at
the central controller?

3. Did you use the correct gage wire?

3. Did that reader work reliably before?

kjwkjw

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Jan 1, 2010, 10:11:09 AM1/1/10
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On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:24:30 -0700, "Dave White" <renof...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

I used to work for an access control manufacturer and a wiegand
extender was always recommended when interference was present. Another
option that I've seen work well in the field is a unit now made by
Schlage (or IR or whatever):

http://www.ir-swa.com/GEK.shtml

These are expensive, though.

Bill

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Jan 1, 2010, 10:58:59 AM1/1/10
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Use shielded wire, which is metal foil wrapped around the outside of the
cable. This keeps outside electrical noise out. Ground one end of the metal
foil.

Then there is "voltage drop" with long distances. Use a larger gauge wire
for long distances. Something which starts out as 5 volts on one end can be
2 volts at the other end!

Voltage drop calculator...
http://www.nooutage.com/vdrop.htm

Shielded cable...
http://images.google.com/search?q=Shielded+cable&hl=en&sa=N&um=1&ei=ixs-S8_8DIyGtAOlod0G&oi=images_breadcrumbs_list&ct=images-breadcrumbs-list&cd=1

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techie

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Jan 1, 2010, 10:01:37 PM1/1/10
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Does the reader travel with lift or is it at a floor for access? A lot of
interferecne has been known to be in the traveler cables of some MFRs
elevator. An extender may or may not work, that would depend on the
tolerance of the receiver of the weigand signal.

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Dave White

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Jan 4, 2010, 4:57:51 PM1/4/10
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"Silicon Sam" <silic...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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nope, what value of resistor? is it manufacturer specific?


Dave White

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Jan 4, 2010, 5:00:05 PM1/4/10
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voltage drop is fine.
elevator company ran the wire which is 18/2 gauge pairs with overall shield.
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Dave White

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Jan 4, 2010, 5:03:00 PM1/4/10
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the reader is in the elevator car. the problem i am having is finding an
extender that will work with 18/2 wire with overall shield.
all the manufacturers extenders that i can find spec out twisted pair wire,
I think most of them convert the wiegand to 485 then back to wiegand at
receiving end.

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Dave White

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Jan 4, 2010, 5:06:34 PM1/4/10
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what settings would i set up hyper-terminal for?
I would assume that is dependant on the wiegand format?
I am using paradox R885 readers with 26 bit weigand format.


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Silicon Sam

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Jan 4, 2010, 9:49:45 PM1/4/10
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On Jan 4, 3:57 pm, "Dave White" <renofus...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> "Silicon Sam" <silicon...@gmail.com> wrote in message

I was just going by one install I did where 12 of the 36 readers
would not read a card correctly and they all happened to be the
readers that were farthest away. Our tech guru at our office said to
put some pull up resistors between the power and Data 0 and power and
Data 1 lines at the panel. Every reader was working after that.

I just happen to be going by the site tomorrow morning for remodel
work, I'll look at the resistor value. It's been 3 years since I did
it. It is a Lenel system with the Indala readers.

Gonna say it's either 1K or 4.7K resistors. I'll look when I get
there and post tomorrow.

Silicon Sam

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Jan 4, 2010, 9:51:30 PM1/4/10
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On Jan 4, 4:03 pm, "Dave White" <renofus...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> the reader is in the elevator car.  the problem i am having is finding an
> extender that will work with 18/2 wire with overall shield.
> all the manufacturers extenders that i can find spec out twisted pair wire,
> I think most of them convert the wiegand to 485 then back to wiegand at
> receiving end.
>
> "techie" <nor...@techie.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hhmcu...@news3.newsguy.com...
>
>
>
> > Does the reader travel with lift or is it at a floor for access? A lot of
> > interferecne has been known to be in the traveler cables of some MFRs
> > elevator.  An extender may or may not work, that would depend on the
> > tolerance of the receiver of the weigand signal.
>
> > "Dave White" <renofus...@shaw.ca> wrote in message

> >news:%L7%m.30$nR4...@newsfe01.iad...
> >>I am having issues with a card reader in my elevator not sending wiegand
> >>data to my controller. all voltages are good at the reader. think it may
> >>be interference causing problems.
> >> will a wiegand extender fix this issue?

What kind of system is it? Controller model? Brand and model of
reader?

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Dave White

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Jan 5, 2010, 9:48:22 AM1/5/10
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"Silicon Sam" <silic...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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cool, I am going to my site today, will try out some different resistor
values


Silicon Sam

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Jan 5, 2010, 8:14:44 PM1/5/10
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Went by today, it was 4.7K resistors.

Dave White

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Jan 5, 2010, 10:31:18 PM1/5/10
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"Silicon Sam" <silic...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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corrected the problem today.
I split up the wiegand wires onto different pairs.
works great now!


Effenpig1

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Jan 6, 2010, 2:34:01 AM1/6/10
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On Jan 4, 5:06 pm, "Dave White" <renofus...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> what settings would i set up hyper-terminal for?
> I would assume that is dependant on the wiegand format?
> I am using paradox R885 readers with 26 bit weigand format.
>
> "Effenpig1" <dirtyspicev...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:63fb6195-c23d-47b5...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 31, 3:24 pm, "Dave White" <renofus...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > I am having issues with a card reader in my elevator not sending wiegand
> > data to my controller. all voltages are good at the reader. think it may
> > be
> > interference causing problems.
> > will a wiegand extender fix this issue?
>
> It's impossible to answer that question without further
> troubleshooting.
>
>  Have you used a program like Hyper-terminal to check the data string
> at the controller end?

Usually set the baud rate at 9600 and leave the rest of the settings
default.Hyper terminal is great for determining that the data is being
sent properly before you start chasing ghosts. Kinda makes you regret
tossing those old windows 95 laptops with the serial port among other
reasons

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