Aritech CS250 installation problem
Soren & Birgitte
is on vacation for the next two weeks, so no help there right now. Got it
all installed with two sirens, two PIRs and the control panel. But when i
try to engage the alarm, i get a "bus communication sabotage error". Strange
as the control panel is the only thing attached to the data bus. Has anyone
out there tried to install this thing and seen the same problem?
Best regards,
Soren
Peter Leopold
I'm not familiar with CS product range but I guess there is at least one
keypad attached to the data bus. CS350 connectors are: +=A=12, -=B=13, Data
from keypad to panel=C=14, Data from panel to keypad=D=15 which have to be
wired correspondingly to A,B,C,D at eg. CD3008 keypad. Shielded cable
(grounded only at the panel side) should be used, wire gauge according to
length; The 4 (ABCD) conductors must not be seperated to different cables;
Never run conductor lines for relays, flashlights or relays within the same
cable.
Any messages and/or blinking LED on the keypad? Do you get the tamper error
only on arming the system (btw how do you arm: by keypad, keylock
integrated in your door, keyswitch...)?
What happens on programming mode, eg checking for open loops?
Kind regards
Peter
PS: If you can't find a solution here you could also ask at:
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Soren & Birgitte
Three wires connected from the cental to the keypad, running in a separate
cable, away from power etc. When powered up, the keypad seems to work and i
have done all programming of zones etc from the keypad. The LCD and LEDs
work perfectly. Only when trying to arm the alarm from the keypad, the
mysterious message about sabotage of communication bus appears. The only
other thing execept from the keypad that could go on the bus is RF
receivers, but i have none of those. The funny thing is that the manual
states that there are separate error messages for sabotage of each kind of
unit that you attach to the bus (eg keypad #1 sabotage), but i only get the
general error message. Really strange.
Best regards,
Soren
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Peter Leopold
> Hi,
> Three wires connected from the cental to the keypad, running in a separate
> cable, away from power etc.
As said, I'm not familiar with the CS range and as for the CS250 I haven't
even the manual but assuming that it works similar as the CS350 there must
be a 4 wire cable to the keypad (is it a CD3008 or 3009?)connecting A,B,C
and D to 12,13,14 and 15. The DipSwitch ID setting at CD300x is all OFF.
> When powered up, the keypad seems to work and i
> have done all programming of zones etc from the keypad. The LCD and LEDs
> work perfectly. Only when trying to arm the alarm from the keypad, the
> mysterious message about sabotage of communication bus appears. The only
> other thing execept from the keypad that could go on the bus is RF
> receivers, but i have none of those. The funny thing is that the manual
> states that there are separate error messages for sabotage of each kind of
> unit that you attach to the bus (eg keypad #1 sabotage), but i only get the
> general error message. Really strange.
Go to programming mode:
Did you try already to make an engineer reset (Miscallaneous\Eng.Reset
Menu\Clear Engineer Reset?
Did you program your zones as alarm or dual mode zones?
What's in the Engineer Log?
If you check at maintenance\show open zones: What happens?
Did you try already to arm your system in another way, eg. by programming
one zone as "key" with attribute "Fs Pu QS" and attaching just two wires to
the panel. Shortening the wires for a moment(don't forget the necessary
resistors: from 4k7 =unarmed to 9k4 =armed) should arm, shortening them
again for another moment should disarm the panel?
At the CD panels it sometimes help to clear faulty error messages by
internal arming and disarming.
Hilsen fra Østrig
Peter
Soren & Birgitte
Was away for a couple of days. The keypad is called CD2008, so that would be
why there is different cabeling. There are no dip switches on the CD2008.
Have looked through the documentation and the menus, but there is no
engineering reset. There is a "default central" command which restores all
defaults. Would prefer not to perform all programming from scratch so i will
wait with this until all other options has been tried. Guess i could try to
cut the power and open the central and remove the battery to perform a kind
of reset instead. Will do that in the weekend.
The maintenance log is quite boring - the last 100 entries are all filled up
with stuff like "making test call" and entering/leaving programming mode. No
alarms or sabotage messages in there.
I use singly balanced zones, eg with separate zones for alarm and sabotage.
Using the the maintenance->test zones menu, the active zones command gives
"no active zones". The zone sabotage gives "no sabotage", but the system
sabotage menu gives the infamous error message also present when trying to
arm "bus com. sab"
for active sabotage menu displays the same message s in the
The zone type cannot be programmed to "key", so i guess this is not
supported by my alarm. The funny thing is that there is a key menu where you
can control if the central should operate in "pulse", "open" or "closed"
mode. Strange. I will see if i can make more sense out of this
Have tried to arm/disarm many times from the panel and that has not been a
success..
Hope weather is as good in Austria as here!
/Soren
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Peter Leopold
> Hi again,
> Was away for a couple of days. The keypad is called CD2008, so that would be
> why there is different cabeling. There are no dip switches on the CD2008.
As I never have seen the CS250, all I could do was just guessing. The CS
350 + 450 use the CD 3008/9 so I expected the same for your system.
> Have looked through the documentation and the menus, but there is no
> engineering reset. There is a "default central" command which restores all
> defaults. Would prefer not to perform all programming from scratch so i will
> wait with this until all other options has been tried.
Engineer Reset and default to factory settings are two total different
things. With the first one you just cancel certain alarm occurrences
without changing anything of the program settings. It's often programmed
as a condition to reset sabotage alarms (display could say something like
"Call technician") in order to avoid using a perhaps compromitated system.
Until a technician has checked it and performed the reset the panel would
not allow arming again.
> Guess i could try to
> cut the power and open the central and remove the battery to perform a kind
> of reset instead. Will do that in the weekend.
I'm afraid that this won't help (or at least it ought not help), but you
could try anyway. If you have any self-supplied sirens installed, take care
to remove their backup batteries first.
> The maintenance log is quite boring - the last 100 entries are all filled up
> with stuff like "making test call" and entering/leaving programming mode. No
> alarms or sabotage messages in there.
>
> I use singly balanced zones, eg with separate zones for alarm and sabotage.
> Using the the maintenance->test zones menu, the active zones command gives
> "no active zones". The zone sabotage gives "no sabotage", but the system
> sabotage menu gives the infamous error message also present when trying to
> arm "bus com. sab"
> for active sabotage menu displays the same message s in the
>
> The zone type cannot be programmed to "key", so i guess this is not
> supported by my alarm. The funny thing is that there is a key menu where you
> can control if the central should operate in "pulse", "open" or "closed"
> mode. Strange. I will see if i can make more sense out of this
I found some publicity folder of the CS250 South African version where it
says that all zones are freely programmable and keyswitch is explicitly
mentioned.
I'm sorry but I do not have any programming and/or installation manual for
your panel, so the key(switch) zone might have a different name. Again it's
been just analogy to 350/450/CD-series where I have all the manuals
available.
If you like you could e-mail the programming and installation manuals so I
could have a look on them (as long as they are written either in English,
Spanish, German or French, no Danish version please).
> Have tried to arm/disarm many times from the panel and that has not been a
> success..
Did you try already internal-arming (=on premise protection =part-arming
=[bypass])?
> Hope weather is as good in Austria as here!
> /Soren
Guess so, sunny and 28ŞC, nothing to complain!
Kind regards
Peter
Soren & Birgitte
No, all manuals supplied witht the alarm are in Danish (as is the software
in the alarm, which makes translation of menu names etc somwhat unexact).
Cutting power has, as you expected, no influence.
I took a look the the menu, and you are right about the "key" feature. It is
not mentioned in my manual, but it is selectable as a zone type. I will try
that out later (nomally, playing with the alarm is not an option after my
small children have gone to bed!)
Have tried to bypass/disable the system sabotage (sab.bus com is the 6th and
last system component that can be diabled). But the alarm does not let me
arm it even if the sabotage is disabled. Have tried to disable/enable the
component several times. No difference.
I will try to get hold of more docs for the alarm!
Best regards
Soren
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> Kind regards
> Peter
Soren & Birgitte
menu 8.4 "install external device". Somehow, the alarm thought RF sensors
were installed (which should not be default), but running the install menu
again made it detect that this was not the case. Strange, but the cure
worked.
Best regards,
Soren
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> > Guess so, sunny and 28ŞC, nothing to complain!
> > Kind regards
> > Peter
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