Arrowhead DCU-600
Sam Horowitz
new home. The previous owners left nothing in the way of product manuals,
etc. I read somewhere that the Arrowhead keypads fell under sontrol, but
have had no luck with them. Any idea where I can get some sort of product
guide so we can take advantage of our system properly?
Robert L Bass
equipment manufacturer. Part of the Interlogix conglomerate, they make
thousands of types of alarm sensors. They also own Caddx, Moose (on the way
out), GBC, etc. Sonitrol is a chain of franchised installing dealers (and some
company-owned dealers). They are not a manufacturer. AFAIK, the Arrowhead line
has been defunct for a long time. We used to use some of their motion
detectors over 20 years ago.
You're probably going to be better off scrapping the old keypads and going with
a new panel and its own pads. There are a number of quality brands around.
Some of the more popular ones I sell to do-it-yourselfers are Napco, Caddx and
DSC. I have extensive info on these and others in my online store. The URL is
http://www.bass-home.com in case you're interested.
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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Sam Horowitz wrote:
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: I have an Arrowhead DCU-600 keypad (actually we have four of them) in our
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Mark Leuck
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all. These keypads aren't 20 years old, if that's what you're implying. In
fact, the addition in the home is about 6 years old, and one of the keypads
is located there. I'm pretty sure that they did not just happen to have an
extra keypad laying around when they built the addition. I am not surprised
that you would recommend scrapping the keypads and panel--and look it just
so happens you're here to sell me new ones. That's not what I'm looking for.
In fact, I am comfortable enough with the keypad that I will be able to
arm/disarm the alarm and all four keypads are in perfect working order. Even
if they *were* 20 years old, as long as they work properly why should I
screw around with them?
SH
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Robert L Bass
problem. Most people know what I mean. I'm surprised to hear that Arrowhead
was still produced recently. I have not run across it in years. As to your
other comments, Sorry. I must have misunderstood your intent. I assumed you
were talking about a non-functioning system. Apparently that is not the case.
I generally try to offer the least expensive solution I can think of (as long as
it is effective). Perhaps someone else has knowledge of a current source for
support. If you ignore the silliness here and get comments from my clients
(many of them lurk here) you'll discover that I'm actually pretty laid back
about sales.
Sorry you took offense, but I offered assistance because I thought you needed an
upgrade. Perhaps Jim Rojas can provide you with manuals. He has an extensive
collection -- probably the only one that is significantly larger than my own
archive. Best of luck.
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Regards,
Robert L Bass
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: No I didn't have Sentrol confused with Sonitrol, I just can't type, that's
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Robert L Bass
I checked Jim Rojas' site. He has several manuals for Arrowhead. The only ones
which appear similar to your model are the DU-20, KP600L and KP600F. I notice
that they are also listed on his site as a subsidiary of Sentrol. I have a good
working relationship with Interlogix (Sentrol's parent company). If you like I
can give them a call on Monday and see if they have any manuals for your
product. If they do, I'll be happy to provide them free of charge.
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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Rober...@home.com
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"Robert L Bass" <Rober...@home.com> wrote in message
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: If you read many of my posts, you'll notice I can't type well either. No
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Mark Leuck
"Sam Horowitz" <sa...@ufl.edu> wrote in message
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> all. These keypads aren't 20 years old, if that's what you're implying.
They are at least that age, they were created in that time frame, this
doesn't mean they have been used that long but it does mean its dinosaur
stuff and hasn't been supported in ages.
> In fact, the addition in the home is about 6 years old, and one of the
keypads
> is located there. I'm pretty sure that they did not just happen to have an
> extra keypad laying around when they built the addition.
Age of the house doesn't matter, people still install Ademco 4110's in new
house construction and the original design is about 11 years old, Ademco
still sells them for now however they will eventually be discontinued and
people with those systems will someday be in the same boat as you
> I am not surprised
> that you would recommend scrapping the keypads and panel--and look it just
> so happens you're here to sell me new ones. That's not what I'm looking
for.
The fact is DTI who created the system in the first place is gone, purchased
by Sentrol over 10 years ago, Sentrol makes very little for systems that
age, mainly chip programmers and dialers, but as far as replacement boards
and keypads? nope, and in my opinion good riddance anyway. Regardless where
you go it will be extremely slim you will find anything on them, I imagine I
have the most DTI documentation out there and I've got nothing on those
keypads. Throw away the keypads and junk the system, regardless who and
where you buy the new equipment it will be worth it in the end
> In fact, I am comfortable enough with the keypad that I will be able to
> arm/disarm the alarm and all four keypads are in perfect working order.
Even
> if they *were* 20 years old, as long as they work properly why should I
> screw around with them?
Well I have several AT&T systems that are in working order, no way will I
ever install them in mine or anyone elses house because the equipment be it
in working order or not is junk, regardless of the conditions of those
keypads they are worthless today when there is no support, spare equipment
or documentation
Sam Horowitz
installing keypads that haven't been produced for 15 or years, which is how
I interpreted Bass's original post. We will be testing the system
regularly, and as long as it continues to function, the four Arrowhead
keypads will remain. Anyway, it doesn't make sense to continue splitting
hairs over who meant what and exactly how many years Arrowhead has been
defunct. I'm sorry to all of you who I have pissed off.
SH
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Jack Stevens
> OK, I could be wrong. I just don't see a very reputable company coming
and
> installing keypads that haven't been produced for 15 or years...snip
Yeah, you're right about that.
>We will be testing the system
> regularly, and as long as it continues to function, the four Arrowhead
> keypads will remain. Anyway, it doesn't make sense to continue splitting
> hairs over who meant what and exactly how many years Arrowhead has been
> defunct. I'm sorry to all of you who I have pissed off.
I don't think you pissed anybody off. All I saw is a couple of posters
offer you sound advise. You can do with that what you wish.
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Jack Stevens
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Sam Horowitz
out the possibility of obtaining manuals through Interlogix, I'd really
appreciate that, especially after the first response I wrote ya. I do
apologize for that, it's just been one thing after another for the last week
(cable modem fried, cable/dsl router fried, NIC fried, a bunch of 3com
10/100 NICs that refuse to work on a 10 mbps hub i have set up temporarily,
USB on my main PC is on the fritz...etc...). And my 90-year-old grandfather
with Alzheimer's hit all three panic buttons on one of the alarm keypads
today, creating a huge mess (couldn't call monitoring company since phone
line had been possessed by alarm system..."WHERE'S MY CELL PHONE!? I DON'T
KNOW WHERE'S *YOURS*?"...system would only take the original master code,
set by previous owners of the house, blah blah blah). Anyway...any help we
could get would be appreciated. One of the guys at our monitoring company
is checking for manuals, but said not to expect anything. We would gladly
cover any costs for the manuals--just let me know ahead of time.
Thanks,
SH
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Robert L Bass
won't be needing to replace it at this time. But do remember that you came here
looking for information from people in the trade. I've been installing and
servicing security systems for over 23 years now. I have not seen this
particular product line in many years so it was quite reasonable for me to
assume it is obsolete. There was no need for you to reply angrily. If you
don't need to upgrade, I'm still willing to try to nail down some manuals for
you (assuming they still exist).
You didn't p*** me off. I'm a good deal more thick skinned than that (some
would say thick-headed, too). But next time you ask for help and someone offers
it, try not to slap their hand for doing so. Fair enough?
PS -- Do let me know if you want me to find the manuals. If I can help, I will.
I don't charge for manuals and (most) software.
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Regards,
Robert L Bass
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The Online DIY Alarm Store
http://www.Bass-Home.com
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota, FL 34233
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 voice (Florida)
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Rober...@home.com
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"Sam Horowitz" <sa...@ufl.edu> wrote in message
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: OK, I could be wrong. I just don't see a very reputable company coming and
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Robert L Bass
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: I'd love to check out Jim's site--what's the address?
It's trade only but I think he'll share manuals with the public on occasion.
There *may* be a fee, but if so with Jim Rojas it's usually nominal -- a few
dollars or so. Here's his URL
http://www.tech-man.com
: As far as checking
: out the possibility of obtaining manuals through Interlogix, I'd really
: appreciate that, especially after the first response I wrote ya. I do
: apologize for that...
Apology accepted. Offense forgotten. I'll try to get them. If you don't hear
from me by Monday noon, call my toll free number to remind me. (I tend to get
into whatever project is before me and sometimes forget to run these little
errands).
: it's just been one thing after another for the last week
: (cable modem fried, cable/dsl router fried, NIC fried, a bunch of 3com
: 10/100 NICs that refuse to work on a 10 mbps hub i have set up temporarily,
Hmm. Sounds like a few days I've had, especially when I was first setting up my
LAN to work with @Home service.
: USB on my main PC is on the fritz...etc...). And my 90-year-old grandfather
: with Alzheimer's hit all three panic buttons on one of the alarm keypads
: today...
Arrrghhh! You may need more than an alarm manual, friend. :)
: --- snip horror story ---
: Anyway...any help we
: could get would be appreciated.
Sure thing. If they have them I'll ask them to send directly to you. I don't
think there will be a charge. No promises though. They might not exist. We'll
find out though. Have a nice weekend (and try to keep grand dad off the alarm).
I'll talk to you on Monday.
Mark Leuck
a few items originally by Scantronics USA and renamed them into Arrowhead
parts, namely the DD3 dialers that you can still get from Tri-Ed. Some of
the old panels were renamed into Arrowhead products as well but I don't
think they do that anymore, however his keypad is from wayyyy before all
that
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Mark Leuck
> I'd love to check out Jim's site--what's the address? As far as checking
> out the possibility of obtaining manuals through Interlogix,
Trust me on this, I've tried and Interlogix doesn't have em
Chris Larsen
Chris L.
Mark Leuck
> OK, I could be wrong. I just don't see a very reputable company coming
and
> installing keypads that haven't been produced for 15 or years, which is
how
> I interpreted Bass's original post. We will be testing the system
I doubt it as well but stranger things can happen, 4 years ago I did a
takeover of a Moose Z1100 in a brand new house, that system hasn't been made
in about 10 years and was originally introduced in the mid 80's. Brinks
still sells a varient of your system today however I have no idea if
anything from their system works with yours
> regularly, and as long as it continues to function, the four Arrowhead
> keypads will remain. Anyway, it doesn't make sense to continue splitting
> hairs over who meant what and exactly how many years Arrowhead has been
> defunct. I'm sorry to all of you who I have pissed off.
You didn't piss me off at all, I'm just stating facts, electronic parts of
any kind don't have a long lifetime, if it all works then by all means use
it, however it is very doubtful you will find the support for it if
something goes wrong
Jack Stevens
>4 years ago I did a
> takeover of a Moose Z1100 in a brand new house
Yeah, and I want that account back, dammit. ;-)
>That system hasn't been made
> in about 10 years and was originally introduced in the >mid 80's.
I've got hundreds of those out there. Boy was that a great panel in it's
day.
> You didn't piss me off at all...
As if that's actually possible. I'm gonna call you up someday anonymously
just to try.
Sam Horowitz
really helpful to a lot of people (unfortunately just not me )
SH
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Mark Leuck
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> Mark Leuck admitted
>
> >4 years ago I did a
> > takeover of a Moose Z1100 in a brand new house
>
> Yeah, and I want that account back, dammit. ;-)
Unfortunatly I have to also confess I've done maybe 100 other Moose Z1100
(System 1) takeovers so do you want them too? Wierd thing is I was the only
person at Westinghouse who knew how to program the things (or at least
admitted to it)
To this day however I've still not figured out the siren wiring K1 and 2
relay crap
> >That system hasn't been made
> > in about 10 years and was originally introduced in the >mid 80's.
>
> I've got hundreds of those out there. Boy was that a great panel in it's
> day.
Which day was that? the day it was introduced or the day Sentrol pulled its
plug? :)
Sam Horowitz
you obviously read my response to that already). Anyway...I guess I just
get a little wary when the first post I read in response is offering to sell
me something I didn't think I'd asked for. Forgive me.
SH
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Robert L Bass
Call to remind me if you haven't heard from me by Monday 1:00 pm EST.
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Robert L Bass
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: I understand that your post truly was an offer to help. I screwed up (but
Sam Horowitz
part of the original installation are marked DCU-660, the one in the
addition master bedroom is a DCU-600. Information for *either* would be
appreciated.
SH
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Jack Stevens
> Unfortunatly I have to also confess I've done maybe 100 other Moose Z1100
> (System 1) takeovers so do you want them too?
Sure. Can you download 'e for me? :-)
> Wierd thing is I was the only
> person at Westinghouse who knew how to program the things (or at least
> admitted to it)
I've done so many, I can do one now without the manual.
>
> To this day however I've still not figured out the siren wiring K1 and 2
> relay crap
That was a great idea. Added flexibility: you could use those relays for
anything. Separate burg and fire, strobe, garage door shunt, all kinds of
stuff. I loved 'em. The Moose Z1100 had that big connector with all those
outputs included. Kinda like PGM outputs but already pre-defined and
included on board. Just connect the ones you want to one of the on board
relays. Neat.
>
> > >That system hasn't been made
> > > in about 10 years and was originally introduced in the >mid 80's.
> >
> > I've got hundreds of those out there. Boy was that a great panel in
it's
> > day.
>
> Which day was that? the day it was introduced or the day Sentrol pulled
its
> plug? :)
I installed my first one in 1986. Using Akron panels before that. I only
quit using Moose when the downloadables came out. Moose started to lag
behind the curve, but their prices kept going up. I tried the Z2000 when it
came out, but got burned with a couple bad units and switched to Caddx.
Mark Leuck
> Mark Leuck wrote
>
> > Unfortunatly I have to also confess I've done maybe 100 other Moose
Z1100
> > (System 1) takeovers so do you want them too?
>
> Sure. Can you download 'e for me? :-)
Sure, you send me the non-existant software :)
> > Wierd thing is I was the only
> > person at Westinghouse who knew how to program the things (or at least
> > admitted to it)
>
> I've done so many, I can do one now without the manual.
I used to, can't anymore
> > To this day however I've still not figured out the siren wiring K1 and 2
> > relay crap
>
> That was a great idea. Added flexibility: you could use those relays for
> anything. Separate burg and fire, strobe, garage door shunt, all kinds of
> stuff. I loved 'em. The Moose Z1100 had that big connector with all
those
> outputs included. Kinda like PGM outputs but already pre-defined and
> included on board. Just connect the ones you want to one of the on board
> relays. Neat.
For some reason it never clicked for me, don't know why
> >
> > Which day was that? the day it was introduced or the day Sentrol pulled
> its
> > plug? :)
>
> I installed my first one in 1986. Using Akron panels before that. I only
> quit using Moose when the downloadables came out. Moose started to lag
> behind the curve, but their prices kept going up. I tried the Z2000 when
it
> came out, but got burned with a couple bad units and switched to Caddx.
I always liked the 900 series, lot more flexibility compared to the others
back then
got any leftover Akron documentation?
Jack Stevens
> got any leftover Akron documentation?
I still have installer and user docs for the PAS-1
Mark Leuck
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Robert L Bass
I think I have what you need. I can fax it to you (34 pages long). Call me
back tonight (Saturday) if you see this and I'll send it across. I need your
fax number.
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Regards,
Robert L Bass
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: This is something I just noticed--the three keypads that are most likely
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machine.
SH
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Alarminex
"Mark Leuck" <mle...@iadfw.net> writes:
>Subject: Re: Arrowhead DCU-600
>From: "Mark Leuck" <mle...@iadfw.net>
>Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:02:03 -0500
>
>
>"Sam Horowitz" <sa...@ufl.edu> wrote in message
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>> No I didn't have Sentrol confused with Sonitrol, I just can't type, that's
>> all. These keypads aren't 20 years old, if that's what you're implying.
Sam, the equipment that you have is old. I don't know how it got into your new
home, could be the previous owner brought it from his old home and had his
installer put it in. But, ............. if you haven't already done so, call
around locally, see if someone still services it. If it's only been 6 years,
likely the company is still around and may have parts to help you out.
Obviously, you'll have to pay what they ask, since they are no longer being
mfg's
But, in addition to that .... try contacting this company.
OFA
PO 234
Oakdale Ca. 95631
209 847 2802
Ask for Roy.
I don't know if you are handy or technically knowledgable or interested enough
to do the work yourself but they sell parts for old and discontinued systems.
Keep in mind that eventualy you will have to change the system so don't sink
too much into it.
>
>They are at least that age, they were created in that time frame, this
>doesn't mean they have been used that long but it does mean its dinosaur
>stuff and hasn't been supported in ages.
>
<snip>
Jim
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