ADI Rumor
Alan Adler
rumor floating around.
Robert L Bass
lately. There are now a total of four shipping centers throughout the
Continental US.
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: I heard that ADI is being sold. Anyone else hear this or is it just one more
: rumor floating around.
Glenn Dobbs
lately.
Glenn Dobbs
recently.
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shipping has definitely been consolidated.
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"Glenn Dobbs" <lcd...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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: haven't heard that but a couple guys at the Houston office have jumped ship
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Thomas Gerchak
Respectfully,
thomas
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Tom Fowler
at them. The meetings were held in California. If Honeywell gets offered what
they consider to be the right price they'll sell in a heartbeat.
Subject: ADI Rumor
From: alan...@aol.com (Alan Adler)
Date: 10/25/01 11:06 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <20011026000629...@mb-md.aol.com>
Doug Sheppard
> Honeywell put their security assets on the block recently and Tyco took a peak
> at them. The meetings were held in California. If Honeywell gets offered what
> they consider to be the right price they'll sell in a heartbeat.
>
interested since they are in the process of buying DSC. Or do you
think they would just buy ADI to expand the distribution chain?
Alan Adler
that Ademco and Pittway would be part of the package? I suppose Johnson
Controls could afford to buy them. If someone bought the group they would be
under a lot of pressure to reduce expenses to justify the expenditure. I
wonder if they would open up the Ademco product line to either other
distributors or factory direct sales along the lines of other alarm panel
companies.
Jim Rojas
cameras from them many years ago. I also stopped buying from them totally
last year. I now order all my Ademco parts directly from their competitors,
at a reasonable price.
For example:
$119 for an Vista10se pack at ADI
$84 is ADT's price on a Vista10se pack at ADI, plus it includes contacts as
well.
$99 for the same pack from my over the counter source now.
Go figure...
Jim Rojas
"Alan Adler" <alan...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Tom Fowler
These meetings were held in August/September. I think Tyco was using it
as an opportunity to hedge their bets since the DSC deal still han't been
closed.
Subject: Re: ADI Rumor
From: jaws...@my-deja.com (Doug Sheppard)
Date: 10/29/01 9:09 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Jim
about the distribution and manufacturing end.
BTW, I see Diebold was the big winner for the Mosler left overs.
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Mosler accounts. I am glad Diebold got them.
Jim Rojas
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J. Sloud
>ADT no longer possesses the skill, management or manpower in taking over the
>Mosler accounts. I am glad Diebold got them.
Yeah Jim, Sure.
>
BOCA RATON, Fla., Aug. 28 /PRNewswire/ -- ADT Security Services, Inc.,
a unit of Tyco Fire and Security Services (NYSE: TYC; LSE: TYI; BSX:
TYC), today announced a new Financial Services and Banking Division
created specifically to meet the increased demands of the electronic
and physical security marketplace. The new division will be lead by
former Mosler Chief Operating Officer, David Artone. In addition,
nearly one thousand former Mosler employees will be filling various
positions within the division.
According to ADT's President, Michael Snyder, ``The new Financial
Services and Banking group will combine both the strengths of ADT and
those formerly held by Mosler -- ultimately creating a group that can
provide superior electronic and physical security to financial
institutions. ADT has experienced significant growth in the financial
services arena in recent years and this new division should provide
additional market expansion. We also expect this division to have an
immediate and positive impact on the marketplace.''
ADT's Financial Services and Banking Division will be dedicated to
delivering the unique services and solutions banks and financial
institutions require. ``The addition of former Mosler employees, who
have the skills to service and install specialty product lines, will
assist ADT in providing full-service offerings to all banking
customers'', Snyder added. Some products ADT will now provide include
vaults, safes, pneumatic drive-up tubes, deal- drawers, night
depositories and safe deposit boxes.
According to David Artone, ADT's new Vice President of Financial
Services and Banking, ``When we take the experience and industry
insight that the former Mosler personnel bring to the team and combine
them with ADT's tremendous resources and established presence among
banks, we have created a high profile, high quality organization that
should instantly attract the attention of banks, credit unions and
savings and loans everywhere.''
``This has been an extraordinarily uncertain time of transition for
both Mosler's former customers and former employees. However, with the
nearly one thousand former Mosler employees within the new division,
ADT is confident that it can match the most experienced people with
the most appropriate account, making a former Mosler customer's
transition as seamless as possible.'' Snyder said.
``ADT's goal is to continue to improve the high level of service
former Mosler customers have come to expect.'' Snyder added.
ADT has established a toll-free number dedicated to both former Mosler
customers at 877-238-3340 and former Mosler employees who can call
(800) 500- 6825.
For more information on ADT please contact Ann Lindstrom at ADT
Security Services, Inc., (561) 988-3258, cellular (561) 289-0259 or
via e-mail, alind...@adt.com.
Jim Rojas
employees in order to try and pull it off. They couldn't do it alone in a
million years. I don't see it lasting very long. ADT has it's own agenda,
and once the former Mosler employees get a real taste of their new corporate
enslaver, their will be another 1000 ex-ADT/Mosler employees looking for
greener pastures.
Jim Rojas
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Jim Rojas
to begin with. They had the opportunity, why wait until many of the Mosler
accounts went elsewhere? Answer. ADT moronic thinking. ADT is known for
spending a rediculous amount of money to buy up their competition. At their
current attrition rate of 13%, There won't be too many large companies left
to buy before the Anti-Trust Laws come into the picture. When that time
comes, ADT stocks will begin to decline, and ADT will then be a penny stock
like P-1 almost is.
I wouldn't be surprised that in a year or two from now, ADT will be
downsizing...thus eliminating those 1000 ex-Mosler employees anyway...it's
just the way it is...They will absorb their talent, skills, and secrets,
then cast them out like a red headed step child...
Jim Rojas
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Robert Campbell
probably agree with you ...........
RHC
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Alarminex
<jro...@tech-man.com> writes:
>Subject: Re: ADI Rumor
>From: "Jim Rojas" <jro...@tech-man.com>
>Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 02:23:14 GMT
>
>There is something to say about a company as big as ADT not buying up Mosler
>to begin with.
<SNIP>
Now that all the speculation is over with ...... the fact is ..... ADI is just
(tentatively) up for sale. Honeywell would like to retain a controling
percentage of the company, but is just, at present, casting to see if there is
any interest by viable takers.
Tyco is not considered a likely taker in that it would doubtlessly be the
demise of ADI.
Personally I was wondering if Interlogix would be interested or even be
considered. It's a very speculative situation, if you stop and think about some
of the repercussions. Why does Honeywell want to sell? What could the
advantages be? What would it gain by owning Ademco and not ADI? If it were
bought by another company such as Interlogix, the main outlet for Ademco
products would be reduced considerably. But .... maybe Honeywell has other
ideas about distribution. Honeywell is closely tied into the Electrical trade.
I just read something that sort of clicked with the above information.
I'll quote the article.
On May 13, 1999, Mr J.J.Barry, International President of the International
Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, sent a letter to all US Union Leadership, he
states:
"No one can refute the fact that Voice, Data and Video has and will continue to
grow over the next two decades at a pace that will exceed any other sector of
the electrical/electronic industry .... Therefore, it is imperitive that we
initiate programs in all Local Union jurisdictions that will afford us the
chance to become the dominant labor organization in this market."
"Realizing the need to supply a competent workforce, the IBEW and the National
Electrical Contractors Association (NECA) through the National Labor-Management
Coopereation Committee (NLMCC) directed the National Joint Apprenticeship and
Training Committe (NJATC) to prepare a new three-year apprentice program for
use in the Voice, Data and Video Industry for use by Inside Local Unions. That
program has now been completed and is ready for distribution. Therefore, I
expect all Inside JATC's to adopt and implement the three-year program and have
it properly registered within their jurisdiction in the immediate future"
==========================
Hmmmm......... Honeywell .............. Product manufacturer of electrical
equipment ......... distribution and associations with the National electrical
trades.
Owns Ademco largest manufacturer of alarm equipment an it's subsidiaries.
Hmmmmmm!
>
>
Jim
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distribution channel because of industry concern over having large shares of
Manufacturing, Distribution and Installation.
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day they were let go. These people had bills to pay and families to support
and still do. It sounds as if you would like to see the Former Mosler and
ADT employees without jobs just so ADT could be made to suffer.
Most of the negativity surrounds residential customers, ADT does a good job
taking care of larger commercial customers and I see no reason why we would
not have served the Mosler customers as well. We have many financial
customers now and serve them well. ADT is moving forward with our banking
division and will do fine.
Also regardless of business practices, real or perceived, we all work for an
employer who happens to be ADT, who pays us so we can live a reasonable
comfortable life and participate in the American way. We would not be in
business if we had no customers and if it comes to that, we lose and we can
only blame ourselves. This is a free country, other countries tried to
dictate business practices and where are they now? Even China is forced to
open up free markets. We are always inundated with gleeful news of the
latest ADT customer to be taken over, what about the satisfied customers,
would you like to see ADT fail and thus harm those customers as well? ADT
has about 7% of the marketplace, no where near a monopoly.
Diebold now owns a large share of financial business' security, are you
concerned with this. Honeywell has manufacturing, distribution &
installation, lets go after them too. Payless Cashways went bust, now all I
have is Menards here, better bust them also.
Anyway, I got 20 years in this industry, all with ADT and I can't afford to
let you put me in the unemployment line, so I will continue to serve to the
best of my ability with pride, honor and dedication to those I serve. And
here in my town I will continue to get more of my local competitors business
then they take from me. Maybe if enough of us do this, we can keep our jobs
and not end up working for a penny -stock company while waiting for the ax
wielded by a dictator.
Nothing personal intended here, I just feel strongly about this. I am not
blind and I don't march lockstep in agreement with everything we do.
Jim Cook
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hardiron
You're on quite a tirade. I suspect you got slapped around by ADT a
few times.
> There is something to say about a company as big as ADT not buying up Mosler
> to begin with. They had the opportunity, why wait until many of the Mosler
> accounts went elsewhere? Answer. ADT moronic thinking.
There were valid reasons why Tyco didn't buy Mosler before Mosler
fired everyone. As for not buying the assets, there were valid
reasons for not being the high bidder. Suffice to say that Tyco has
played Diebold for the fool twice since the end of September. There
would have been a HUGE amount of negative "baggage" that goes with the
Mosler assets. Diebold is not as healthy as the picture they present.
They had a big layoff not long before Mosler quit. You are seeing
the begining of the end for Diebold. I have about 20 years to go
before I retire. I doubt Diebold will still be there. Oh, and by the
way. Had ADT gotten the Mosler assets, their product line would have
been preserved. How long do you think it will be before Diebold shuts
down the Mosler products to make them obsolete? Be glad you're not a
Diebold customer.
> I wouldn't be surprised that in a year or two from now, ADT will be
> downsizing...thus eliminating those 1000 ex-Mosler employees anyway...it's
> just the way it is...They will absorb their talent, skills, and secrets,
> then cast them out like a red headed step child...
They didn't get 1000, it was less. No one has a crystal ball, and I
hope you're wrong.
Jim Rojas
> You're on quite a tirade. I suspect you got slapped around by ADT a
> few times
I have been in this business 20 years...my first 6 years I did nothing but
commercial installations for Honeywell in NYC. I have seen first hand how
ADT operates. I have also seen how Holmes Protection, AFA, Wells Fargo, DGA,
National Guardsman, operate. I was not very impressed with ADT at all. Their
commercial division mainly consists ancient, obsolete technology that should
have been updated 15 years ago.
> They didn't get 1000, it was less. No one has a crystal ball, and I
> hope you're wrong.
I also hope I am wrong, but observing ADT's track record for the past 20
years speaks for itself...
Jim Rojas
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J. Sloud
> Their
>commercial division mainly consists ancient, obsolete technology that should
>have been updated 15 years ago.
Jim, what are you basing this statement on? I've seen literally
thousands of ADT accounts and very few have any sort of obsolete
technology. ADT is pretty proactive in upgrading equipment and
services. In fact, parts aren't readily available for the older
equipment, so when older equipment fails it's a whole lot cheaper for
ADT to upgrade than to attempt to fix old parts. As everyone who
reads this group knows, the equipment installed by ADT is the same
equipment sold by local shops and internet distributors with few
exceptions. ADT's basic residential and small business panel is an
Ademco Vista 30. The bread and butter commercial fire panel is a
Fire-Lite MS9200. Card access is either Northern or Casi. CCTV is
mostly Philips or Pelco. ADT certainly isn't perfect, but negative
blanket statements about your competition doesn't seem very
professional.
John
Jim Rojas
still had McCollough circuits still active and direct wire as well, while
others abandoned that technology a decade ago...
Here in the Tampa Bay area, ADT just recently started upgrading old
Commercial Focus 45, 48, etc. panels to an even older Ademco Vista 50...talk
about going backwards... :)
In all my years, Northern Computers has yet to make a decent panel...I
haven't looked at their latest product lines, but I don't wish engage in
that sort of older technology any longer.
Casi-Rusco does makes some interesting panels, but they are not really
installer friendly or user friendly for that matter. I have service Casi
systems over the years, found their modules tend to fail prematurely.
The new Fire-Lite lines are excellent. ADT should be pleased with them. I
will be happy to see the last of the Unimode panels. Over the years, ADT
left hundreds of customers stranded with useless systems no one can work on.
I was able to convince a local ADT branch to allow me to send Unimode
modules in for repair to Fire-Lite. Many churches & schools with these
panels installed were happy to get the needed repairs made. Soon as the
fiscal budgets came in, the schools & churches did finally upgrade to more
universal panels.
I am not anti-ADT, I just don't like the way they do business. Most of their
techs aren't around long enough to learn the systems properly, that's all.
Jim Rojas
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mikey
I had an ADT customer who asked me to do his cottage and he was disappointed
I couldn't come up with as irritating a sound. He never did let me get a
look at the one in his house so I don't even know what it looks like.
"J. Sloud" <please...@nospam.null> wrote in message
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............As everyone who
> reads this group knows, the equipment installed by ADT is the same
> equipment sold by local shops and internet distributors with few
> exceptions.....
J. Sloud
>Take a good look in NYC the next time you go their...until recently, ADT
>still had McCollough circuits still active and direct wire as well, while
>others abandoned that technology a decade ago...
ADT has been pushing wire conversions for the past several years. In
fact, there is even a special bonus plan in place to motivate sales
reps to persue line conversions. Most of the time it is the customer
who is reluctant to change because it normally involves some sort of
cash outlay to provide the necessary hardware to permit communication
using DACTs. Do you have any idea how expensive it is to maintain
direct connection service? ADT would love to get rid of all direct
connection service for the simple cost savings involved.
>Here in the Tampa Bay area, ADT just recently started upgrading old
>Commercial Focus 45, 48, etc. panels to an even older Ademco Vista 50...talk
>about going backwards... :)
First of all, you can't replace a Focus 48 with a Vista 50. The 48
used PID technology that isn't supported by any of the Vista products.
The logical replacement is a Focus 200P with a PID gateway. Most
Focus 45s in the field are being used in combination BA/FA
applications. ADT's version of the Vista 50 isn't listed for
commercial fire use (I'm not sure if Ademco makes a V50 that is.)
Therefore, most Focus 45s are replaced with Focus Cadets not Vista
50s. In fact, the Focus Cadet was supposed to replace the Vista 50
altogether. As far as upgrading goes, ADT does actively approach
customers with upgrade proposals. It makes sense from a management
standpoint as preventative maintenance. Many customers have a "if it
ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality.
>In all my years, Northern Computers has yet to make a decent panel...I
>haven't looked at their latest product lines, but I don't wish engage in
>that sort of older technology any longer.
What sort of older technology? Who do you use, and what makes them
better? Seems an awful lot of companies are using Northern's
products, but if there is something on the market that's a better
value I'd like to check it out..
>
>Casi-Rusco does makes some interesting panels, but they are not really
>installer friendly or user friendly for that matter. I have service Casi
>systems over the years, found their modules tend to fail prematurely.
Again, who do you use? What makes them better? We've got some pretty
big intergrated system riding on Casi systems. I haven't noticed
their failure rates being any higher than other electronics.
>The new Fire-Lite lines are excellent. ADT should be pleased with them. I
>will be happy to see the last of the Unimode panels. Over the years, ADT
>left hundreds of customers stranded with useless systems no one can work on.
>I was able to convince a local ADT branch to allow me to send Unimode
>modules in for repair to Fire-Lite. Many churches & schools with these
>panels installed were happy to get the needed repairs made. Soon as the
>fiscal budgets came in, the schools & churches did finally upgrade to more
>universal panels.
Here's some good news, then. All of the modern ADT "Unimode" series
are just rebadged Fire-Lite panels. The ADT Unimode 200 is a
Fire-Lite MS9200. The Unimode 600 is a Fire-Lite MS9600. As far as
not being able to work on the competition's systems, we've been
through the same thing with Simplex and even with some local
companies. In fact, we recently came across a Fire-Lite panel that
was locked out. Even thought the customer had no contractual
obligation to the installtion company, they refused to give out the
password until they were threatened with legal action. The Unimode
lines aren't the only panels ADT uses for fire systems. ADT's
approved product list shows several different sources for fire
equipment. As a matter of fact, I'm putting together a Notifier
system right now.
>I am not anti-ADT, I just don't like the way they do business. Most of their
>techs aren't around long enough to learn the systems properly, that's all.
>
I guess the quality of installations and service vary from office to
office. From what I've seen, the quality of the large commercial jobs
that ADT has done in my area have been as good as any of our
competition.
John
Jim Rojas
UL AA Mercantile systems for Honeywell back in 1984...Honeywell made it a
top priority to get rid of all McCollough & direct wire systems in all of
NYC, and it's surrounding areas. The process took almost 4 years, and saved
the company hundreds of thousands of dollars in telco lease line charges. I
myself remember replacing countless wind-up fire transmitters in sprinker
pipes and gravity tanks which are used on McCollough circuits with a
Radionics D8112...what a difference...
Direct Wire systems were replaced with Radionics D6112 - D8112, with
radio/cellular/derived channel backup, or Honeywell's HSL (multiplex)
network...that stuff was kick ass back then...
I was also installing Schlage 708S Access Control systems using prox readers
back in the mid 80's...that system makes Northern Computers look like Fisher
Price...
> First of all, you can't replace a Focus 48 with a Vista 50. The 48
> used PID technology that isn't supported by any of the Vista products.
Yes I know, I was just speaking in general...
> What sort of older technology? Who do you use, and what makes them
> better? Seems an awful lot of companies are using Northern's
> products, but if there is something on the market that's a better
> value I'd like to check it out..
The US Postal Service has tons of the Northern systems in their facilities.
Most were older versions, and would choke if someone forgot to clear the
buffer...The N485 serial modules were always being replaced, HID slimline
prox readers as well.
I like the Casi-Rusco panels, and I have installed & serviced a few Receptor
units, which I found easy to program & install. Ademco's Passpoint system is
pretty slick, and is pretty simple to configure.
The biggest system I was ever involved with was a Casi-Rusco Micro 5, using
Fiber Optics in the communication loop to 37 buildings, at a local college
campus...Aside for the lightning hits every summer that took out pickup
loops & prox readers, etc..., the system was quite reliable...I found the
DOS software they used antiquated, but they were in the middle of updating
to the windows version at the time.
Jim Rojas
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Jim Rojas
"new" panels are nothing more than recycled old versions of the 4140XMP,
4140XMPT2, etc...with about a thousand firmware revisions... :)
4140XMP, 4140XMPT, 410XMPT2, 5140XM, Vista50, Vista50P, Vista50PUL,
Vista50Pse, Vista100, etc...give me a break...all the same candy, only in a
different wrapper... :)
Though I do have to admit, I do like the Vista10se...it's simple,
affordable, and does everything except for line cut monitoring...I'm sure
that the future models like the Vista10pse or Vista10sePT2 will have
it...someday...
Jim Rojas
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> > Here in the Tampa Bay area, ADT just recently started upgrading old
> Commercial Focus 45, 48, etc. panels to an even older Ademco Vista
> 50...talk
> about going backwards... :)
>
>
> This is just wildly incorrect. I'm really surprised at you, Jim.
>
> Focus 48 panels were first introduced in the early 1980's, and the Focus
> 45s were out by the mid 1980s, long before a Vista 50 was even a glimmer
in
> Ademco's eye. So it's a very reasonable upgrade to newer technology, and
> not at all a step backwards.
>
> I'd also point out the Focus panels are capable of doing certain things
> other panels cannot. For example, multiplex communications, with or
> without DES encryption. So, some of these poor bastards who are getting
> their panels "upgraded" from Focus to Vista might well be losing their
> supervised telephone line in the process. The Focus panels are also
listed
> for central station fire alarm service, which the Vista 50 is not.
>
> And by the way, some of the ADT panels have programming options the rest
of
> the industry hasn't even thought of yet. You should try to get your hands
> on a manual for a Focus 200, for example, and look at things like a
> requirement for two different user codes for an irregular opening.
>
> Having said that, today's ADT is not like the old ADT. Up until the
1970s,
> ADT really did make the best equipment in the alarm industry. Look at any
> of the old ADT products; they're beautifully manufactured. And, ADT had
> very specific installation standards for virtually any application you can
> think of. Want to protect a manhole cover? ADT had a contact for it, and
> a published technical bulletin for how to do it. Now, of course, ADT is
> just another alarm company, only bigger and better financed than most.
>
> I miss the old ADT.
>
Mark Leuck
> It was a joke...I just dislike Ademco's higher end panels because all
their
> "new" panels are nothing more than recycled old versions of the 4140XMP,
> 4140XMPT2, etc...with about a thousand firmware revisions... :)
>
> 4140XMP, 4140XMPT, 410XMPT2, 5140XM, Vista50, Vista50P, Vista50PUL,
> Vista50Pse, Vista100, etc...give me a break...all the same candy, only in
a
> different wrapper... :)
>
> Though I do have to admit, I do like the Vista10se...it's simple,
> affordable, and does everything except for line cut monitoring...I'm sure
> that the future models like the Vista10pse or Vista10sePT2 will have
> it...someday...
>
> Jim Rojas
The Vista-15 has line cut monitoring, and a decent event buffer (something
very much needed with the Vista-10)
Tom Fowler
From: please...@nospam.null (J. Sloud)
Date: 11/3/01 12:50 AM Eastern Standard Time
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"Jim Rojas" <jro...@tech-man.com> wrote:
> Their
>commercial division mainly consists ancient, obsolete technology that should
>have been updated 15 years ago.
>Jim, what are you basing this statement on? I've seen literally
thousands of ADT accounts and very few have any sort of obsolete
technology.<
John, here in CT I have seen MANY ADT commercial systems that are "old" to say
the very least. 50% of my business consists of small commercial and many of
those folks were ADT customers who thought my offering a keyfob was the second
coming of sliced bread. ADT has also yet to upgrade any of the Alarmguard
commercial accounts. Maybe the CT branch isn't as thorough as your office.
> ADT is pretty proactive in upgrading equipment and
services. In fact, parts aren't readily available for the older
equipment, so when older equipment fails it's a whole lot cheaper for
ADT to upgrade than to attempt to fix old parts.<
I'll be glad to ship you some of the ancient ADT systems I have yanked out of
stores so you can see for yourself how your office must differ from the CT
branch.
> As everyone who
reads this group knows, the equipment installed by ADT is the same
equipment sold by local shops and internet distributors with few
exceptions.<
True
> ADT's basic residential and small business panel is an
Ademco Vista 30.<
To the best of my recollection they are installing the Vista 20 here.
>The bread and butter commercial fire panel is a
Fire-Lite MS9200. Card access is either Northern or Casi. CCTV is
mostly Philips or Pelco.<
I learn something new everyday.
>ADT certainly isn't perfect, but negative
blanket statements about your competition doesn't seem very
professional.<
OK< time for me to get on my soap box.
ADT is far from perfect but who isn't?
We all have our own issues and if we all made our problems public there would
be a heck of alot less slamming of companies occuring.
Go to a local NBFAA meeting and look in the parking lot. You won't see many
luxury cars or limos. When you go inside you'll see many folks ponied up to the
bar wearing their Sunday best and acting like Rockefeller. They'll swap stories
about how their business is better than so and so's and the one thing they all
have in common is their envy of the guy they perceive to be the biggest player
in the business. This newsgroup is much the same as you will find many folks
hurling barbs about this company or that company (outside of personal flames)
simply because they envy that company's success. They themselves could share in
the success of the other company but many refuse to do so because it would mean
admitting that their own method wasn't the right one.
ADT will always be the target of attacks so long as it's the biggest.
Jim is under the belief that what he posts is true and he posts from personal
experience.
I was also involved with ADT and I see them in a much different light than many
here. I think ADT has done more to create awareness of our industry than any
other company could ever dream of. While I don't agree with some of ADT's
practices I can't by same token turn around and accuse them of being this
terrible company that some attempt to portray them as.
I will always be glad ADT is here because they keep our industry out in the
public eye.
So while we sit back and slam them for being such a force we might just want to
consider where this industry would be without them.....................
Until someone "builds a better mousetrap", ADT will always be around, as will
the egos of those that envy them for their success, and those that defend them.
John
Jim Rojas
ago...
Jim Rojas
"Mark Leuck" <mle...@iadfw.net> wrote in message
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J. Sloud
>John, here in CT I have seen MANY ADT commercial systems that are "old" to say
>the very least.
I think the fact there are so many "old" ADT systems still in service
is a indication of the quality of some of the older equipment. I'll
be the first to admit that there are customers out there who haven't
been approached about upgrading to newer equipment with more features.
Since selling upgrades to existing customers is much easier than
trying to win over new business, any alarm company would be wise to
stay in contact with its exisiting base of customers. ADT has
attempted to do just this on the commercial side by creating positions
that target only existing business. Most alarmco's don't have this
problem since either they haven't been around long enough to have
"old" equipment in the field or they simply don't have a large enough
customer base for accounts to become obsolete.
>
>I'll be glad to ship you some of the ancient ADT systems I have yanked out of
>stores so you can see for yourself how your office must differ from the CT
>branch.
We still have some equipment in service from around 1990 or so. ALL
of the commercial customers have been approached about upgrading, but
many are happy with what they have. In terms of basic functionality
for many customers, the Focus products of the early 1990's are just as
good as what is offered today.
>
>To the best of my recollection they are installing the Vista 20 here.
The V30 has been the basic panel for all ADT corp. branches for the
last couple months. Before that, you are correct.
>Until someone "builds a better mousetrap", ADT will always be around, as will
>the egos of those that envy them for their success, and those that defend them.
I appreciate the opinions of others. Who knows, I may open an
independent one day. Heck, I might even try an online store for DIY's
: ) Amongst the slams and name calling, there is a wealth of
information available here.
John
Jim Rojas
names is a bit much...
Jim Rojas
"badenov" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
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> >It was a joke...I just dislike Ademco's higher end panels because all
their
> "new" panels are nothing more than recycled old versions of the 4140XMP,
> 4140XMPT2, etc...with about a thousand firmware revisions... :)
>
> >4140XMP, 4140XMPT, 410XMPT2, 5140XM, Vista50, Vista50P, Vista50PUL,
> Vista50Pse, Vista100, etc...give me a break...all the same candy, only in
a
> different wrapper... :)
>
>
> Yeah, it's called a "software upgrade." Why change the hardware if you
> don't have to?
>
> Just think how ridiculous it would be if everyone were forced to buy a new
> computer every few years just because....oh, never mind :-)
>
>
>
Mark Leuck
only to find the tech really has a Vista-20P, or an FA160/162, Vista-20AMT3,
Vista-20HW/SE or and original Vista-20
"Jim Rojas" <jro...@tech-man.com> wrote in message
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Mark Leuck
"J. Sloud" <please...@nospam.null> wrote in message
> tfowl...@aol.com (Tom Fowler) wrote:
>
> >John, here in CT I have seen MANY ADT commercial systems that are "old"
to say
> >the very least.
>
> I think the fact there are so many "old" ADT systems still in service
> is a indication of the quality of some of the older equipment.
Not really, thousands of AT&T 8000's are out there and I don't think anyone
here would consider it quality equipment :)
> We still have some equipment in service from around 1990 or so. ALL
> of the commercial customers have been approached about upgrading, but
> many are happy with what they have. In terms of basic functionality
> for many customers, the Focus products of the early 1990's are just as
> good as what is offered today.
We have approached customers with AT&T 8000's about upgrading but they are
happy with what they have as well, although the fact they originally paid
5-6 grand for the thing might have something to do with it
Being happy with a particular panel doesn't always mean its a good system
> The V30 has been the basic panel for all ADT corp. branches for the
> last couple months. Before that, you are correct.
I think you mean the Vista-10ADT, Vista-10ADTE and Vista-10ADTG?
BTW: What IS a Safewatch 3000?
Jim Cook
I've spent half my career working for the old ADT and the last half working
for the "new" ADT, and I miss a lot of the old ADT. But we did stay 5 years
behind in technology with the old ADT, but we were told that tried and
proven was the best way, let the others work out the bugs and then we'll try
it. Maybe that wasn't so bad back in those days. We're pretty much up to
speed now. Also we designed and manufactured our own and the were solid and
beautiful panels, nothing out there like them now. You could beat on a 45
panel all day with a hammer and not get inside.
Our new resi & small business panel is based on the Vista 20P, which adds a
100 event log and 48 hardwire zones along with 2 true partitions.
After dumping the A910, we went with the Vista 10SE, then the Vista 20SE and
now with the Vista20P which we are calling our Security Manager/Safewatch
3000. Keep in mind that dealers use others, this is just the corporate
panel.
The nice thing is that we have not raised pricing to offer the better
equipment, this shows that money is not the only thing driving ADT.
There is a nice comparison chart here:
http://www.ademco.com/pdf/REScht2.pdf
Jim Cook
"Tom Fowler" <tfowl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jim Cook
30 only comes with 2 hardwired zones and is only expandable to a total of 32
zones.
http://www.ademco.com/pdf/REScht2.pdf
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Jim Rojas
hardwired zones...I would like to meet the genius who thought up that one
up...
Jim Rojas
"Jim Cook" <jimc...@home.com> wrote in message
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Mark Leuck
> After dumping the A910, we went with the Vista 10SE, then the Vista 20SE
and
> now with the Vista20P which we are calling our Security Manager/Safewatch
> 3000. Keep in mind that dealers use others, this is just the corporate
> panel.
Thank you! I always wondered what a 3000 was
Mark Leuck
> Ademco never came out with a Vista 30, the did make a Via16 & Via30 with 2
> hardwired zones...I would like to meet the genius who thought up that one
> up...
>
> Jim Rojas
No kidding!
J. Sloud
>I think you mean the Vista-10ADT, Vista-10ADTE and Vista-10ADTG?
>
>BTW: What IS a Safewatch 3000?
>
Mark,
The Safewatch 3000 is a Vista 30, which is the new basic residential
control for corporate ADT. It's also call a Security Manager 3000 in
the small business division.
John
herm...@ridgenet.net
McCollough systems. And Jim Rojas knows that. Replaced them all with
Radionics 7212B1, 9124B1, with derived channel, never looked back.
The Honeywell "Bull" (HSL) (damn jim, you remember that?), died 3 years ago,
so did "Gamewell", "Sig-Com", and "Harrington"
Dead and Gone. Never to Return. (Unless it is in one of "Freddie Nightmares)
Multiple Lightning strikes later,.......still kicking.
Charlie
"The Lake"
(I really do need some good techs though, once the communication is
established, it's good, but I've got a few lazy techs....)
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