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ymg...@excite.com

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May 25, 2009, 3:32:34 PM5/25/09
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Hi all,
I wonder if anybody has experienced this before or I'm the first one.
I have Vista-20P for few months already. I have never changed the
configuration since I programmed the system few months ago. One of the
sensors - wireless motion detector 5890 stopped sending alarm signal
about a week ago. It is not dead though - if I open the sensor it
triggers temper alarm. So batteries are definitely not dead and the
system does recognize it since the system reacts on the temper switch
inside the sensor. Also, if I put the sensor into the Test mode, red
LED on the sensor lights up upon motion. It looks like all features
work except sending alarm signal upon motion.
The sensor was originally at the Zone12. During troubleshooting I
deleted Zone12 and enrolled this sensor at Zone13, but result is
exactly the same - temper switch does trigger temper alarm, but motion
detection does not send alarm signal. This sensor has Zone Type 1
(Entry/Exit), Partition 1, Loop 1
I appreciate any tips. I don't know what could be causing this problem.

KingFish

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May 25, 2009, 4:31:51 PM5/25/09
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<ymg...@excite.com> wrote in message
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I don't know if this is your problem but they have a sleep mode where if it
is tripped once it will not trip again for a while, to save battery life.
Try covering it for an hour with a small box and then testing it by removing
the cover.


Petem

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May 25, 2009, 4:39:09 PM5/25/09
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"KingFish" <a...@rm.pwr> a �crit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
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In fact the sleep time is about 3 minute, so when you do arm the system and
you leave the premises the wireless detector ar not working till the sleep
time is off, this can be a maximum of 3 minute...
If you dont pass in front the detector for at least 3 minute before arming
the system the detector react instantly to movement and the panel will react
acordingly to the programing of the zone.

JoeRaisin

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May 25, 2009, 9:02:16 PM5/25/09
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Point One - If you have put the detector into test mode and have seen
the red light come one without an alarm being sent to the panel, then I
would say you have a faulty detector. The only thing you could try is
to relocate the detector to a position where you have direct line of
sight to the receiver and try it from there. Any change in environment
or decor can interfere with wireless transmissions (a new mirror, for
example).

Getting a direct line of sight helps rule out any and all interference.
Doubtful, given what you have already tried but it's worth trying
before you buy a new one.

Point Two - It's a TAMPER alarm not a 'temper' alarm. You only get a
temper alarm if you have an 'emotion' detector (inside joke - we had a
customer call up because she was having trouble with her "emotion
detector").

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JoeRaisin

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May 25, 2009, 9:43:07 PM5/25/09
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G. Morgan wrote:

> JoeRaisin wrote:
>
>> Point One - If you have put the detector into test mode and have seen
>> the red light come one without an alarm being sent to the panel, then I
>> would say you have a faulty detector. The only thing you could try is
>> to relocate the detector to a position where you have direct line of
>> sight to the receiver and try it from there. Any change in environment
>> or decor can interfere with wireless transmissions (a new mirror, for
>> example).
>>
>> Getting a direct line of sight helps rule out any and all interference.
>> Doubtful, given what you have already tried but it's worth trying
>> before you buy a new one.
>
>
> The 58xx series will go into trouble before it reaches a critical failure,
> like missing an alarm.
>

If I read the OP correctly, he isn't getting a trouble. He just isn't
getting an alarm even when he has confirmed a trip by putting the
detector in test mode and watching for the LED to light (also bypassing
the three minute sleep time).

>
>> Point Two - It's a TAMPER alarm not a 'temper' alarm. You only get a
>> temper alarm if you have an 'emotion' detector (inside joke - we had a
>> customer call up because she was having trouble with her "emotion
>> detector").
>
>

> Heh. Did you tell her you dialed up the panel and confirmed her emotions?
>

mleuck

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May 25, 2009, 10:30:39 PM5/25/09
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On May 25, 8:43 pm, JoeRaisin <joeraisin2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> G. Morgan wrote:
> > JoeRaisin wrote:
>
> >> Point One - If you have put the detector into test mode and have seen
> >> the red light come one without an alarm being sent to the panel, then I
> >> would say you have a faulty detector.  The only thing you could try is
> >> to relocate the detector to a position where you have direct line of
> >> sight to the receiver and try it from there.  Any change in environment
> >> or decor can interfere with wireless transmissions (a new mirror, for
> >> example).
>
> >> Getting a direct line of sight helps rule out any and all interference.
> >>  Doubtful, given what you have already tried but it's worth trying
> >> before you buy a new one.
>
> > The 58xx series will go into trouble before it reaches a critical failure,
> > like missing an alarm.
>
> If I read the OP correctly, he isn't getting a trouble.  He just isn't
> getting an alarm even when he has confirmed a trip by putting the
> detector in test mode and watching for the LED to light (also bypassing
> the three minute sleep time).

He also has to set the pulse count jumper to OFF

ymg...@excite.com

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May 25, 2009, 11:17:01 PM5/25/09
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To answer some questions here, the detector has temper switch OFF and
test mode OFF. It does not generate any trouble codes - the system is
"Ready to Arm" and works fine, except that this sensor doesn't trip
the Alarm, or Chime. Most accurate description of this sensor is
probably Sleep mode (as mentioned in this thread), except that this
sensor sleeps for a week already. I tried taking batteries out
thinking that this might reset the sensor, but it didn't help.

RLB

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May 26, 2009, 7:36:52 AM5/26/09
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On May 25, 11:17 pm, ymg...@excite.com wrote:
>
> I tried taking batteries out thinking that this might reset
> the sensor, but it didn't help.

From all you´ve said so far, I´m pretty sure it´s gone bad. Honeywell
stuff usually lasts though. Contact the online store where you bought
it. The unit is still under warranty. If they wont help, call me
later this week when I get back from vacation (I´m in Brazil at the
moment) and I´ll get it repaired or replaced as a courtesy. My info
is on my "Contact Us" page. Here´s my link.

www.BassBurglarAlarms.com

Regards,
Robert

Crash Gordon

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May 26, 2009, 12:02:23 PM5/26/09
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I would double check the programming, particularly the s/n....especially if
you used the Learn mode when programming wireless. I hate the Learn mode,
and always just manually enter the codes....why? because you can learn
another pts s/n by mistake.

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Jim Rojas

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May 26, 2009, 12:39:33 PM5/26/09
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I would delete zones 12 & 13, and manually learn it in again. Just make
sure you select loop 1 for the motion.

Jim Rojas

mleuck

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May 26, 2009, 1:09:17 PM5/26/09
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On May 26, 11:02 am, "Crash Gordon" <webmas...@siriussystems.invalid>
wrote:

> I would double check the programming, particularly the s/n....especially if
> you used the Learn mode when programming wireless. I hate the Learn mode,
> and always just manually enter the codes....why? because you can learn
> another pts s/n by mistake.
>
> --
> **Crash Gordon**

Thats not that easy to do and besides it displays the serial number on
the keypad

Jim

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May 26, 2009, 11:26:40 PM5/26/09
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On May 25, 11:17�pm, ymg...@excite.com wrote:
> To answer some questions here, the detector has temper switch OFF and
> test mode OFF. It does not generate any trouble codes - the system is
> "Ready to Arm" and works fine, except that this sensor doesn't trip
> the Alarm, or Chime. Most accurate description of this sensor is
> probably Sleep mode (as mentioned in this thread), except that this
> sensor sleeps for a week already. I tried taking batteries out
> thinking that this might reset the sensor, but it didn't help.
>

By the sound of your reply, it seems to me that you still might not
understand what the "sleep" mode is.

Try the following.

If you have central station monitoring, call them and tell them to put
the system on test for an hour.

Arm your system and don't allow any motion ( absolutely none) in
front of the motion detector for about five minutes.

After five minutes, walk into the area where the motion detector is
and see if it trips the alarm.

If not, then ...... considering all the other info you have
given .... I would change the detector.

You can also try to manually reprogram the unit as suggested .... but
I can't think of any reason why the unit would all of a sudden stop
working.

ymg...@excite.com

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May 26, 2009, 11:35:21 PM5/26/09
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Gentlemen, I have not used Learn mode. I punched in Serial# into the
keypad using *56 Zone programming mode. If I entered the wrong serial,
the system would not react on the tamper switch, but it does.

Crash Gordon

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May 28, 2009, 6:09:22 PM5/28/09
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ah...true !

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