Material for life-like skin?
Chris
real, and feel as real as possible. It needs to be soft and
stretchable and return to it's original shape. It also needs to accept
pigment or paint.
I have seen finished products that claim this, mostly in the "red
light section" of the internet. Cyberskin, Real-Skin, etc come to
mind. Those items don't seem to be for sell in a bulk/plyable form.
One product I did find that looked interesting and is readily
available is "Dragon Skin".
Has anyone worked with these? I could use any insite or direction
possible.
Thanks,
Chris
Andrew Werby
"Chris" <radio...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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> I am looking for materials for making realistic skin. It needs to look
> real, and feel as real as possible. It needs to be soft and
> stretchable and return to it's original shape. It also needs to accept
> pigment or paint.
[If you want to simulate skin, it would be best to mix pigment into the
material (probably some sort of rubber) you're casting into your
skin-texture mold. If you've gone through all the trouble to make skin
texture, you won't want to cover it up with paint.]
> I have seen finished products that claim this, mostly in the "red
> light section" of the internet. Cyberskin, Real-Skin, etc come to
> mind. Those items don't seem to be for sell in a bulk/plyable form.
[Where'd you find these? I've never heard of them. Give us a link (if it
doesn't require a credit card for entry).]
> One product I did find that looked interesting and is readily
> available is "Dragon Skin".
[That's a perforated metal product a lot like a cheese-grater, used for
roughing up the surface of rubber or foam. It doesn't seem like this is what
you're looking for, though.]
>
> Has anyone worked with these? I could use any insite or direction
> possible.
>
[What are you really trying to do? Make the ultimate love-doll, Auschwitz
lampshades, or what?]
Andrew Werby
www.unitedartworks.com
> Thanks,
> Chris
Chris
As far as pigmenting and painting goes, I would certainly want to mix
the pigment in first for the skin tone. But the real matter in blush.
I know a process is available for some materials using an "underbrush"
technique. It would just depend on what the overlay was (translucent).
I didn't want to post links to these sites because I didn't think it
was appropriate for this NG. Be warned, the top two links have erotic
images and are intended for those of you over 18. With that said, here
are some links...
CyberSkin: http://nawtythings.com/cyberskin.html
Rubber Skin(pat.): http://www.makeyourowndildo.com/kits.html
Dragon Skin: http://www.smooth-on.com/specialfx.htm
http://www.rubbermoldcompounds.com/special-effects-supplies.htm
Dragon Skin looks promising. But I don't know if it will feel right.
It would almost certainly need something underneath it to complete the
illusion.
I am certainly not making the ultimate love doll. Basically I am
trying to formulate a process of making a very realistic looking and
feeling model of the human figure with emphasis on the head, arms,
hands, and feet. It will have to use a bone, muscle and skin structure
to simulate what nature has given us. I have a few applications in
mind, but really if it works well it ushers in many ideas.
BTW, I doubt there's much of a market for concentration camp products!
Thanks again,
Chris
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Gary Waller
> real, and feel as real as possible.
This type of work is expen$ive, especially if you are in Europe. Try
bjbenterprises.com - I think they have more experience with movie and
special effect work than smooth-on (dragon skin), they do a lot of figure
work chemicals for Disney and this type of work is of higher quality than
typical movie or TV crapola. There is the special effect supplier Burman
too. Dragon skin is a urethane product (??) - but the silicone family, at
twice the price, is the material of choice. The skin is built with pigmented
clear/translucent silicone. More realism is obtained by using silicone gels
in pockets under the 'skin' and different 'durometers' (hardness) mixed
together. You really need a 'pallete' of rubbers and colors to choose from -
no one product is going to do everything.
These skills are usually learned by apprenticing with one of the big special
effect houses - I would hate to have to pay for my own education in this
field - you could spend $2000 in a heartbeat. Find out who is doing work for
EuroDisney. There must be silicones manufactured in Europe (Rhodia?) but I
don't know them.
I think BJB has European distributors.
Andrew Werby
>
> As far as pigmenting and painting goes, I would certainly want to mix
> the pigment in first for the skin tone. But the real matter in blush.
> I know a process is available for some materials using an "underbrush"
> technique. It would just depend on what the overlay was (translucent).
[Once you had the basic skin tone cast, you could use cosmetics on it for
"blush" effects.]
>
> I didn't want to post links to these sites because I didn't think it
> was appropriate for this NG. Be warned, the top two links have erotic
> images and are intended for those of you over 18. With that said, here
> are some links...
>
> CyberSkin: http://nawtythings.com/cyberskin.html
[This sounds like silicone rubber to me. The warning against using silicone
oils tend to confirm this, as that's one of the few things that will degrade
cured silicone.]
> Rubber Skin(pat.): http://www.makeyourowndildo.com/kits.html
> Dragon Skin: http://www.smooth-on.com/specialfx.htm
>
http://www.rubbermoldcompounds.com/special-effects-supplies.htm
>
> Dragon Skin looks promising. But I don't know if it will feel right.
> It would almost certainly need something underneath it to complete the
> illusion.
[This is a different "dragon skin" than I'm familiar with- it also is a
silicone rubber. The stuff I was talking about is like this:
http://www.outdoorplay.com/store/Product3.0.asp?DeptID=276&SKU=ARP_HYDRA ]
>
> I am certainly not making the ultimate love doll. Basically I am
> trying to formulate a process of making a very realistic looking and
> feeling model of the human figure with emphasis on the head, arms,
> hands, and feet. It will have to use a bone, muscle and skin structure
> to simulate what nature has given us. I have a few applications in
> mind, but really if it works well it ushers in many ideas.
[There was somone else here not long ago with a similar project, who was
making accurate scale models of human figures that were soft and posable.
See http://www.syntheticmodels.com/main.htm There are also some love dolls
that seem to be close to what you're talking about, but I didn't save the
link.]
>
> BTW, I doubt there's much of a market for concentration camp products!
>
> Thanks again,
> Chris
[I hope not...]
Andrew Werby
www.unitedartworks.com
[Check the FAQs here for Chris Pardell's "Casting positive forms in rubber"
article- it may help.]
Andrew Werby
subject in the current National Geographic. On the cover is a very nice
silicone face cast in full color- inside they describe the process of making
it. After that, they digitize it at very high resolution, to capture all the
pores and bumps- pretty cool stuff...]
Andrew Werby
www.unitedartworks.com
Eldey
exactly the use you are describing. I got brave and asked if it was safe
for human contact (as in sex toys) and it is not, but is intended for
skin-like special effects.
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