Artist
Norman L Benoit
I an artist?
Question? If I create a sculpture that was someone else's idea. Am I and
artist ?
Question? If I see a picture of a sculpture then change it and create a new
piece from that can I call it my own?
Question? If I make a exact copy of some piece of sculpture. Can I call
myself a artist.?
Finally: What is an Artist?
Dan Spector
prof, Tage Frid, was surprisingly tolerant of students replicating furn.
design found in magazines; he said by the time you were done you'd have made
a bunch of decisions and judgments of your own.
These days, everybody's an artist. Then you learn that the best artists
have a fraternity and they don't let the fakes and poseurs in. (They leave
those clowns outside, making all the money!)
Seriously, copying great art is the best way to learn. Presumably, soon
enough you will see your ideas become more interesting to work through than
copywork. But a great living can be made faking antiques, they say.
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Dan Spector <arch...@earthlink.net>
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In article <kUyC3.1734$W4.3...@server1.news.adelphia.net>, "Norman L
Charles McGregor
<nbe...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>Question? If I open a book see a picture of a sculpture, and recreate it am
>I an artist?
>
>Question? If I create a sculpture that was someone else's idea. Am I and
>artist ?
>
>Question? If I see a picture of a sculpture then change it and create a new
>piece from that can I call it my own?
>
>Question? If I make a exact copy of some piece of sculpture. Can I call
>myself a artist.?
>
>Finally: What is an Artist?
>
>
We've been this way before, but basically, my take on it is
An artist is someone who produces at least one work of art.
A work of art has the following properties:-
It only exists because of the artist.
It has meaning(i.e. some kind of emotional response) to the artist.
Less clear is the issue of whether that meaning has to be communicated
to others or even if the artist has to intend communication at all.
This means that someone who visualizes something which depicts
an idea that he/she has had, and therefore has meaning to him/her, and
then creates a material representation of it, is an artist.
Someone who sets up a system to create objects and selects one based
on recognition of an emotional response, even a response that was
unanticipated at the time of setting up the system, is an artist.
(Actually all artists use randomisation and selection to some extent)
However, someone who selects, say interesting seashells, is not an
artist because they do not exist due to him/her.
Same goes for an art collector.
Someone copying another work in a pure excercise of draughtsmanship
or duplication is not producing a work of art.
However, someone taking the emotional content of a work and re-doing
the piece all the while striving to express that content in their own
way, is producing a work of art, even if it is inferior to the
original (intent is everything).
Problem:
A computer/robot system produces an exact duplicate of a work of art
down to the very atom, no-one can tell the original apart from the
duplicate, even the original artist. Is it a work of art?
Ans. Yes, but it is the SAME work of art. Acredition for any
meaningful content in the piece goes to the original artist, not the
robot, the computer or the programmer. Therefore the artist has the
right to decide whether to keep two pieces or one, and which one to
destroy if he only wants one.
Problem
A police artist draws an identikit picture of a felon under the
instruction of a witness. Is it art?
ans. Yes, it certainly has meaning and has been brought into existence
by the police artist and witness.
Who is the artist? The police artist or the Witness.
ans. The Witness, the police artist has merely been a sophisticated
tool for the witness to create the likeness.
hope this helps
regards
chic
Weirdieguy
>I an artist?
one's own an idea or product derived from an existing source.
Elijah
"Artist" is just a word meaning one who makes art. You can call
anything art. Who cares?
I'm the President of the United States of America. I'm a shipbuilder
and a balloon man. I'm a fierce and mighty warrior and a wise and
benevolent king.
I consider myself a "me," not an artist. I think probably you're a
"you."
On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:24:48 GMT, "Norman L Benoit"
<nbe...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>Question? If I open a book see a picture of a sculpture, and recreate it am
>I an artist?
>
David Randolph
>
> If you feel like calling yourself an artist then you're an artist.
> "Artist" is just a word meaning one who makes art. You can call
> anything art. Who cares?
Exactly. So, I don't care what anyone else calls themself as long as
they do not ask me to subsidize them or to give them greater honor than
what their work deserves - in my own opinion.
>
> >Question? If I open a book see a picture of a sculpture, and recreate it am
> >I an artist?
> >
> >Question? If I create a sculpture that was someone else's idea. Am I and
> >artist ?
> >
> >Question? If I see a picture of a sculpture then change it and create a new
> >piece from that can I call it my own?
> >
> >Question? If I make a exact copy of some piece of sculpture. Can I call
> >myself a artist.?
> >
Take a look at the music field. There are many cases where one artist
took a song written by another artist and redid it. Bands do covers all
the time and still call themselves bands. Sometimes, the redone song
does even better than the original band.
So, go for it.
Andrew Werby
Benoit" <nbe...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Question? If I open a book see a picture of a sculpture, and recreate it am
> I an artist?
[Answer 1: It's pretty difficult to recreate a sculpture from a photograph-
all the information isn't there. But if you do this, you are creating what
is called a "derivative" work of art, and you will owe royalties to the
original
artist under international copyright law, if the artist is covered by the
statute.
In the case of a long-dead artist, you would still be violating the copyright
of the photographer.]
>
> Question? If I create a sculpture that was someone else's idea. Am I an
> artist ?
[Answer 2: Yes. Ideas are not copyrightable, only the embodiment of them
is. So if
somebody says "Make me a sculpture of a naked lady holding an axe above
her head";
the idea may be his, but you would own the rights to the sculpture if you
built it,
unless you signed a "work for hire" agreement. However, if an artist made
a detailed
sketch or model first, that embodiment of the idea would be sufficient to
make any
work deriving from it a derivative work- in which case see Answer 1 above.]
>
> Question? If I see a picture of a sculpture then change it and create a new
> piece from that can I call it my own?
[Answer 3: It's debatable, depending on how much you change it, but it
sounds like
you're still creating a derivative work. However, one can copy someone's
style, or
be inspired by someone else's piece, without crossing this line.]
>
> Question? If I make a exact copy of some piece of sculpture. Can I call
> myself a artist.?
[Answer 4: You can call yourself whatever you want- unlike medicine or
cosmetology,
you can't be jailed for practicing art without a license- although you
can be jailed
for exercising your First Amendment right to sell it in public. But I
don't think other
people would call you an artist- a mold-maker, perhaps.]
>
> Finally: What is an Artist?
[Answer 5: There are various definitions one can use. The most common is
(1):"someone
who does something" . Examples are Make-up Artist, Lay-up Artist, Make-out
Artist, and
Con Artist. This is the most inclusive definition in general use. If you
want another
definition, try (2): "Someone who creates something that he or she, at his
or her sole
discretion, decides to call Art." This one is less universally accepted, but is
generally applicable. A yet more restrictive definition is favored by some
(3): "A
person who makes something that fits my personal definition of excellent
art." This one
is usually invoked to disfavor some artist {using definition (2)} whose
work one
disapproves of, (as in "Mondrian wasn't an Artist, just a clown with a
ruler.") or who
practices something that doesn't fit ones personal definition of art at
all (as in
"Putting cow parts in vats of formaldehyde doesn't make anybody an Artist".]
Andrew Werby
UNITED ARTWORKS- Sculpture, Jewelry, and other art stuff
http://unitedartworks.com
http://www.computersculpture.com for 3d design tools
Marilyn Welch
How about, spending every 5 cents you got as a child on crayons
while the other kids bought ice-cream? Would that make me an artist?
What I really wanted to ask you was URLs for identifying
semi-precious stones, and rocks?
Could you email me your response, if you would be so kind.
Thanks
Marilyn
Dan Spector
'Identifying Rox +Minerals.'.. you'll need to carry it with you where
laptops fear to tread. In your locale are rockhounds who know which and
where. Go meet some real people.
As housepainters are not artists, your crayola jones don't automatically an
artist prove.
dan
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In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.990919112831.23523A-100000@vtn1>, Marilyn
Marilyn Welch
Beg to differ on the housepainters.
There is one great modern painter of Dutch origin, who died young.
His biographers claim his housepainting
experience paved the way to his greatness. Guess who?
Prize for the correct answer: I'll send you some rocks COD.
Real people will be too jealous of my amethyst and jade!
But I guess I'll have to get around to that.
Marilyn
Andrew Werby
Welch <wq...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
> Hi Andrew et al,
>
> How about, spending every 5 cents you got as a child on crayons
> while the other kids bought ice-cream? Would that make me an artist?
[I don't know, Marilyn- I guess it depends on what you did with the crayons...]
>
> What I really wanted to ask you was URLs for identifying
> semi-precious stones, and rocks?
>
> Could you email me your response, if you would be so kind.
>
> Thanks
>
> Marilyn
[Well, to identify stones with any degree of certainty you need more
than a URL. Try getting a degree in gemology- even some who have get
fooled on occasion. But you can try these (from my Resources/Stone page):
Bob's Rock Shop: The First 'Zine for Mineral Collectors and Rockhounds
Not an actual rock shop, but a collection of links to rockhound pages online.
Gems and Precious Stones A free online course from the University of
Wisconsin on gemology and geology as it relates to precious stones.
What did you do, discover a gem mine? The easiest thing would be to take
your stones to a local rockshop, jeweler, or the geology department of a
college.]