McCall - Scots or Irish? Clan? Help ;)

[M.J. McCall]

Hello,

My last name is McCall. I'm American, but curious about the source
of the name McCall. I have been told that McCall, because it is spelled
Mc and not Mac is Irish. I have also been informed that however it
is spelled, it is Scots. Yet, in my research, I've never seen a clan McCall.
I understand there are clans within clans, but how would I go about finding
which clan the McCall's were part of, if they were?

Thanks in advance,

MJ McCall

[Richard G. Bingham II]

Hello,
I'm no expert, but from what little I've read, Scots used
both Mc and Mac. Some of the records for an individual have there
names using both.
The "Clans & Tartans" Collins Pocket Reference shows the MacCalls
to be associated with the MacDonald clan.
Hope this helps,
Richard.

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[Loudon Briggs]

Thu...@omegabbs.com (M.J. McCall) wrote:

>Hello,

>My last name is McCall. I'm American, but curious about the source
>of the name McCall. I have been told that McCall, because it is spelled
>Mc and not Mac is Irish. I have also been informed that however it
>is spelled, it is Scots. Yet, in my research, I've never seen a clan McCall.
>I understand there are clans within clans, but how would I go about finding
>which clan the McCall's were part of, if they were?

>Thanks in advance,

>MJ McCall

My references indicate that Colson, MacCall and MacColl are all septs
of Clan Donald

--
Loudon Briggs (lar...@indirect.com Phoenix, Arizona, USA)

[Sandy]

Ian Mitchell Lambert wrote:
>
> In article <54jmam$10...@news.goodnet.com>, Loudon Briggs
> <lar...@indirect.com> writes

> My step family are McAlls. This is a variant of McCall. Family members on their
> side have found a link to the Island of Coll, although I am not convinced yet!
>
> Their branch of the family were based around Sunderland in north east England,
> with members living in South Africa over the last century.
>
> The Dictionary of English surnames as meaning "war wielder", and in Gaelic as
> "son of Cathal". Its earliest record Is given as Robert M'Kawele in 1370-80.
>
> Sorry I cannot give more information. I've plenty to do with my own family at
> the moment!!!
>
> Ian Mitchell Lambert

You might consider looking at the Scottish Clans Web Site
http://www.fview.demon.co.uk

The information might belocated there or it might point you in the right
direction

Sandy

[Ian Mitchell Lambert]

[Sharon Krossa]

In article <54gqff$a...@news.dx.net>,
Thu...@omegabbs.com (M.J. McCall) wrote:

>Hello,
>
>My last name is McCall. I'm American, but curious about the source
>of the name McCall. I have been told that McCall, because it is spelled
>Mc and not Mac is Irish. I have also been informed that however it
>is spelled, it is Scots. Yet, in my research, I've never seen a clan McCall.
>I understand there are clans within clans, but how would I go about finding
>which clan the McCall's were part of, if they were?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>MJ McCall
>

The difference and significance of "Mac" vs. "Mc" (or "M'", or "Mc" with
the c raised, etc) is exactly the same as the difference between
"International" and "Int'l", or "does not" and "doesn't", or "department"
and "dept." -- the second is just an abbreviation of the first. You will
find documents through at least the 19th century were the very same person
might spell their own name with "Mac" in one part of a document, and with
"Mc" in another part of the same document. These days, the only
significance to "Mac" or "Mc" is that it shows you which way your late 19th
or early 20th century ancestors got stuck in their ways.

Sharon Krossa, noting that Scottish phone books are full of both Macs and
Mcs...

[Wayne H Thompson]

M.J. -- (and Sharon),

A bit of background:

Mc/MacCall/Coll - from the gaelic Mhic Colla - 'son of Coll.' This is
original
Clan Donald blood. From the traditional name of the clann - 'Clan
Cholla.'
Found throughout the West Highlands and Islands. Numerous McColl's were
later
aligned with the Appin Stewart's. In the US most McCall's were
originally
McColl's, as cencus records show that over 90% used the original
spelling
and that over time the Coll became Call.

Check out the Clan Donald-USA page at:
<http://www.caverns.com/~jrlloyd/index.html>

Wayne H Thompson
Central-South Commissioner
Clan Donald-USA

[notdo...@gmail.com]

On Monday, October 21, 1996 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, M.J. McCall wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My last name is McCall. I'm American, but curious about the source
> of the name McCall. I have been told that McCall, because it is spelled
> Mc and not Mac is Irish. I have also been informed that however it
> is spelled, it is Scots. Yet, in my research, I've never seen a clan McCall.
> I understand there are clans within clans, but how would I go about finding
> which clan the McCall's were part of, if they were?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> MJ McCall

It's Scotch-Irish which means they came over from Ireland and had their roots in Scotland so they settled in Ireland for many years then came to the U.S.

[mgmandy...@googlemail.com]

My father was a descendant from the Irish McCall but I believe they were originally Scot. Mandy

[healin...@gmail.com]

On Monday, October 21, 1996 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, M.J. McCall wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My last name is McCall. I'm American, but curious about the source
> of the name McCall. I have been told that McCall, because it is spelled
> Mc and not Mac is Irish. I have also been informed that however it
> is spelled, it is Scots. Yet, in my research, I've never seen a clan McCall.
> I understand there are clans within clans, but how would I go about finding
> which clan the McCall's were part of, if they were?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> MJ McCall

I know you ask this a long long time ago but I figure I might as well add what I know anyway.
I also bear the name McCall and have over the years tried to figure out where it originated from time to time.
Basically what I've gathered is that nowadays it is predominantly seen in Scotland and is mostly associated either with Scottish ancestry or the scotch-irish.
The scotch-irish as far as I've read are protestants from scotland who settled (encouraged by the English) in Ulster around the 17th century.
Problem for me is that my great grandparents were from Ireland and they were catholic. So, I discovered that the McCalls are also associated with the kingdom of DalRiada which had territory in both northern Ireland in what is now the county of Antrim and western scotland. Essentially, they controlled the seas between Ireland and Scotland at about the 5th to 7th century AD. And since there wasn't a concept of nation states at the time they where neither Scottish nor Irish, they were Dalriadans the descendants of which eventually either became Scottish or Irish depending on what kingdoms they ended up living in after their ancestors kingdom faded away.

[dg4...@gmail.com]

Many of the MacColls that came from Scotland in the early 1600s were Catholics or Presbyterian. The reason they were forced out of Scotland was because they were not Anglican. They were aloud to keep their faith in Ireland, but were under the legal oversight of the Anglican Church. Later MacColl became Spelled more Irish McCall, as did many other Scottish Surnames. Clan McCall, MacColl, etc... is a Sept of Clan Donald or visa versa sepending on who's telling the story.

[jan...@gmail.com]

On Monday, October 21, 1996 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, M.J. McCall wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My last name is McCall. I'm American, but curious about the source
> of the name McCall. I have been told that McCall, because it is spelled
> Mc and not Mac is Irish. I have also been informed that however it
> is spelled, it is Scots. Yet, in my research, I've never seen a clan McCall.
> I understand there are clans within clans, but how would I go about finding
> which clan the McCall's were part of, if they were?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> MJ McCall

Thanks for posting. McCall is the maiden name of my grandmother on my dad's side. So, while I don't have any answers, I appreciate your post.

[fideli...@gmail.com]

The name McAll is Irish and does not come the isle of coll in Scotland. The Mc is Irish and Mac is Scottish.

[jeff.ha...@gmail.com]

The answer to your question is sort of yes lol. McCall, which my grandmother was, is a Scottish name, usually seen as originating in the Western Highlands and Syke. The area is often referred to as Argyle. A prominent branch of the clan moved to Northern Ireland and then came to America before the Revolution. It has traditionally been considered a sept of Clan Donald, but has in recent years formed a independent clan identity in the U.S. I hope this helps!

[danny...@gmail.com]

I know irish and scoti are same people, so it really both. Like discover my family from co Cavan and McCabe and McCall and McGowan and Smith are very common. The scoti would travel all over British isle before the romans and would settle in Northern Ireland and would go to Scotland and biter marry with Picts who just as Scottish. So their pretty much interchange able.

[mlmcc...@hotmail.com]

The surname McCall was first recorded and originated in Scotland, if that helps?

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