Toast the Queen
journeys
I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can anyone
help me with a traditional toast?
--
Sharon
CandL Garrett
.......first, you start the fire .........
then you slice your bread.......
ooooohhhhhh!...........um...sorry!
<g>
--
Lena G
Alexander Maclennan
> I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can
> anyone help me with a traditional toast?
Simply `Gentlemen, the Queen`. It is no longer necessary to stand on
your chair with one foot on the table for this and after draining your
glass, to hurl it to shatter in the hearth.
--
Alexander MacLennan sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
journeys wrote in message ...
>
>I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can anyone
>help me with a traditional toast?
How about:
"Up your German ass, Queenie!"
Jim Legget
say "The Queen!" then ask all to be seated.
journeys wrote:
> I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can anyone
> help me with a traditional toast?
> --
> Sharon
Robert McKay
>From: "CandL Garrett" C.P.G...@bigpond.com
>Date: Tue, 18 January 2000 03:46 PM EST
>> I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can anyone
>> help me with a traditional toast?
>> --
>> Sharon
>>
>
>.......first, you start the fire .........
>
>then you slice your bread.......
>
> ooooohhhhhh!...........um...sorry!
In my family the tradition is to stick the bread in the toaster...<gd&r>
Robert McKay/Raibeart MacAoidh
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SilntThnkr
>> I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can anyone
>> help me with a traditional toast?
>> --
>> Sharon
>>
>
>.......first, you start the fire .........
>
>then you slice your bread.......
>
> ooooohhhhhh!...........um...sorry!
>
>--
>Lena G
LOL Lena, you are so EVIL. ROFLMAO.
-David of the Clan Gunn
Lesley Robertson
Alexander Maclennan <sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "journeys" <jour...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>
> > I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can
> > anyone help me with a traditional toast?
>
> your chair with one foot on the table for this and after draining your
> glass, to hurl it to shatter in the hearth.
Of course, if you're not in the UK, it'll help to specify WHICH Queen.
There's quite a few of them about.
;)
Lesley Robertson
CandL Garrett
Robert McKay wrote in article ...
> >Subject: Re: Toast the Queen
> >From: "CandL Garrett"
> >Date: Tue, 18 January 2000 03:46 PM EST
>
> >> I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can
anyone
> >> help me with a traditional toast?
> >> --
> >> Sharon
> >>
> >
> >.......first, you start the fire .........
> >
> >then you slice your bread.......
> >
> > ooooohhhhhh!...........um...sorry!
>
> In my family the tradition is to stick the bread in the toaster...<gd&r>
>
But we don't have toasters *that* big......<g>
--
Lena G
CandL Garrett
SilntThnkr wrote in article ...
> >>
> >> I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can
anyone
> >> help me with a traditional toast?
> >> --
> >> Sharon
> >>
> >
> >.......first, you start the fire .........
> >
> >then you slice your bread.......
> >
> > ooooohhhhhh!...........um...sorry!
> >
> ><g>
> >--
> >Lena G
>
> LOL Lena, you are so EVIL. ROFLMAO.
>
> -David of the Clan Gunn
Who me.....?
Shucks, David......... you say the NICEST things. <grin>
--
Lena G
>
Bob Germer
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@stm.tudelft.nl> said:
> > > I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can
> > > anyone help me with a traditional toast?
> >
> > Simply `Gentlemen, the Queen`. It is no longer necessary to stand on
> > your chair with one foot on the table for this and after draining your
> > glass, to hurl it to shatter in the hearth.
What about the ladies as well as the laddies? Your toast seems sexist to
say the least.
> Of course, if you're not in the UK, it'll help to specify WHICH Queen.
> There's quite a few of them about.
Especially in the Soho and Greenwich Village areas of New York, most of
San Francisco, etc.
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NINETY 3RD
<< How about:
"Up your German ass, Queenie!"
>>
Funny, I thought she was born in Britain, and descended from James 1/VI.....
***"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" - Peter Sellers
as the US President in "Dr. Strangelove".
Lesley Robertson
NINETY 3RD <nine...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20000119094341...@ng-fc1.aol.com...
> Some infantile ass born in America wrote:
> << How about:
>
> "Up your German ass, Queenie!"
> >>
>
> Funny, I thought she was born in Britain, and descended from James
1/VI.....
>
marriage of his daughter Elizabeth Stuart to Frederick of Bohemia. Her
mother is Elisabeth Bowes-Lyon of Glamis Castle in Angus whose original
family title (it's now Strathmore) of Glamis goes way back before MacBeth -
it's one of the ancient Mormaors of Scotland. In fact, if you go back to the
14th century, you get another link to the Stuarts as Lady Jean Stuart,
daughter of Robert II, married Sir John Lyon of Glamis in 1379.
This data was found quite rapidly thanks to the wonders of the WWW - most of
it on http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/ if anyone wants to
check it.
Lesley Robertson
anne.burgess
Lesley Robertson wrote
>Yup. Descent from James I of Scots (not James VI and I), thanks to the
>marriage of his daughter Elizabeth Stuart to Frederick of Bohemia.
Nope. Wrong. The one whose daughter Elizabeth married Frederick of Bohemia
was James VI of Scots and I of England and sundry other places.
James I of Scots (1294-1437) was assassinated in Perth in 1437. His son was
James II (1430-1460), killed by an exploding cannon at Roxburgh. His son was
James III (1451-1488), assassinated. His son was James IV (1473-1513),
killed at Flodden. His son was James V (1512-1542). Then Mary Queen of Scots
(1542-1587), abdicated 1567, succeeded by her son James VI (1566-1625) as
above.
See what you get if you look at web sites compiled by them as doesn't know
their James I from their James VI
Anne
LVKiltie8703
>Date: Wed, 19 January 2000 09:43 AM EST
>Message-id: <20000119094341...@ng-fc1.aol.com>
>
>Some infantile ass born in America wrote:
><< How about:
>
>"Up your German ass, Queenie!"
> >>
>
>Funny, I thought she was born in Britain, and descended from James 1/VI.....
>
different nationalities in the Queen's blood line is:
50% Scottish, 31 1/4 %mGerman, 12 1/2 % Hungarian, & 6 1/4 % Danish.
Fopr Charles it is
25% Scottish,. 65 5/8% German, 6 1/4 % Hungarian, and 3 1/8 Danish.
For William, it is
50 % English, 12 1/2 % Scottish, 32 3/4 % German, 1 5/8 % Hungarian,& 1 9/16 $
Danish.
With William the pendulum has finally swung back to its proper position, as his
combined British bloodline is at least equal or greater than James 1 / VI.
Lesley Robertson
anne.burgess <anne.b...@newscientist.net> wrote in message
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>
> Lesley Robertson wrote
>
> >Yup. Descent from James I of Scots (not James VI and I), thanks to the
> >marriage of his daughter Elizabeth Stuart to Frederick of Bohemia.
>
> Nope. Wrong. The one whose daughter Elizabeth married Frederick of Bohemia
> was James VI of Scots and I of England and sundry other places.
snip
> See what you get if you look at web sites compiled by them as doesn't know
> their James I from their James VI
>
> Anne
Nope, my fault, misreading dates. You're quite right, and so are they! Tis
the Hull Uni web site.
Lesley Robertson
Lachie Macquarie
<sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk> writes
>"journeys" <jour...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>
>> I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can
>> anyone help me with a traditional toast?
>
>Simply `Gentlemen, the Queen`. It is no longer necessary to stand on
>your chair with one foot on the table for this and after draining your
>glass, to hurl it to shatter in the hearth.
>
>
>
No Sandy it is not necessary but I always think that if you are going to
something you should do it properly. What would Mr Burns think about
toasting the Her majesty?
--
Lachie Macquarie, Bod an Deamhain I wish.
NINETY 3RD
wrote:
<< See what you get if you look at web sites compiled by them as doesn't know
their James I from their James VI
>>
Actually, in my first referral to the above, it was quite correct as James VI
of Scotland became James I of Britain, but still retained the title of James VI
of Scotland. One and the same person, don't you know.
Cheers!
James William Oliver
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk <sja...@sonet.net> wrote in message
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>
> journeys wrote in message ...
> >
> >help me with a traditional toast?
>
>
> "Up your German ass, Queenie!"
>
As ever, the head of Klan Akins astounds us all with his wit and
forethought, not to mention his wide knowledge. Well done to the Grand
Wizard of the Klan Akins. Thats another gold braid for your white suit.
Up your ass you conceited, badly educated, short-sighted, arrogant and all
round rather pathetic egotist.
Run along fool, preferably somewhere else. A long, long way from this
place.
James
PS Your evidence for the Queen being German is??? (and don't be so stupid as
to post the reply I expect you to...)
ne...@jwo100.freeuk.com
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk <sja...@sonet.net> wrote in message
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>
> journeys wrote in message ...
> >
> >I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can anyone
> >help me with a traditional toast?
>
> How about:
>
> \"Up your German ass, Queenie!\"
>
As ever, the head of Klan Akins astounds us all with his wit and forethought, not to mention his wide knowledge. Well done to the Grand Wizard of the Klan Akins. Thats another gold braid for your hooded white suit.
Stick it up your ass you conceited, badly educated, short-sighted, arrogant and all round rather pathetic egotist.
Run along fool, preferably somewhere else. A long, long way from this place.
James
PS Your evidence for the Queen being German is??? (and don\'t be so stupid as to post the reply I expect you to...)
---------
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Robert McKay
>Date: Wed, 19 January 2000 04:58 AM EST
>Of course, if you're not in the UK, it'll help to specify WHICH Queen.
>There's quite a few of them about.
In the context of a Burns Supper I doubt that anyone will think the toast
refers to the queen of Thailand.<g>
anne.burgess
>Actually, in my first referral to the above, it was quite correct as James
VI
>of Scotland became James I of Britain, but still retained the title of
James VI
>of Scotland. One and the same person, don't you know.
It wasn't you I was getting at for being mixed up, it was Lesley - guess the
strain of recovering from New Year in Scotland was getting to her....
Anne
Bob Germer
nine...@aol.comnospam (NINETY 3RD) said:
> Some infantile ass born in America wrote:
> << How about:
> "Up your German ass, Queenie!"
> >>
> Funny, I thought she was born in Britain, and descended from James
> 1/VI.....
Upon the death of Queen Anne in 1714 who died without issue, the Elector
of Hanover, a German, was crowned King of Great Britain and Ireland and
reigned as George I. He was a German as was his Queen. He established the
House of Hanover which ruled England until the death in 1901 of Victoria,
the last of the House of Hanover.
Victoria married the Duke of Saxe-Coburg. His son, known until his
coronation as Prince Albert, was crowned upon his mother's death in 1901
and ruled as Edward VII and established the House of Saxe-Coburg. Being of
a German father and a partially German mother, he was more German than
British.
Due to the sensibilities of the time, 1917, the name of the Royal House
was changed from the House of Saxe-Coburg to House of Windsor during the
reign of Victoria's grandson, George V. His son became Edward VIII who
abdicated in favor of his brother George VI who in turn spawned Elizabeth
II.
Elizabeth II is as much German as British. The Prince of Wales is half
Greek, part German, and part British. Once he ascends the throne, the
House of Windsor will become the House of (whatever Prince Philip's last
name is).
Bob Germer
"James William Oliver" <j...@st-andrews.ac.uk> said:
> PS Your evidence for the Queen being German is??? (and don't be so
> stupid as to post the reply I expect you to...)
I didn't see the redneck, racist's message since he is killfiled. However,
Elizabeth II has a great deal of German Blood in her veins.
CandL Garrett
Lachie Macquarie wrote in article ...
> In article Alexander Maclennan
> >"journeys" <jour...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can
> >> anyone help me with a traditional toast?
> >
> >Simply `Gentlemen, the Queen`. It is no longer necessary to stand on
> >your chair with one foot on the table for this and after draining your
> >glass, to hurl it to shatter in the hearth.
> >
> No Sandy it is not necessary but I always think that if you are going to
> something you should do it properly. What would Mr Burns think about
> toasting the Her majesty?
> --
> Lachie Macquarie, Bod an Deamhain I wish.
Oh gawd...... trust YOU to be sensible about this Lachie. <grin>
--
Lena G
TomandSuny
I would rather see William on the throne!
anne.burgess
TomandSuny wrote
>I would rather see William on the throne!
Always thought that Chas and Di were pretty tactless in their choice of
names, given that the number of Kings William and Kings Henry is not the
same in Scotland as in England, so when/if Wills succeeds it will rekindle
all the arguments about what his correct number should be.
Now if Anne or Andrew were to succeed there wouldn't have been any problems
of this kind.
On the other hand, does it really matter? <g>
Anne
SilntThnkr
>> Some infantile ass born in America wrote:
>> << How about:
>
>> "Up your German ass, Queenie!"
>> >>
>
>> Funny, I thought she was born in Britain, and descended from James
>> 1/VI.....
>
>Upon the death of Queen Anne in 1714 who died without issue, the Elector
>of Hanover, a German, was crowned King of Great Britain and Ireland and
>reigned as George I. He was a German as was his Queen. He established the
>House of Hanover which ruled England until the death in 1901 of Victoria,
>the last of the House of Hanover.
>
>Victoria married the Duke of Saxe-Coburg. His son, known until his
>coronation as Prince Albert, was crowned upon his mother's death in 1901
>and ruled as Edward VII and established the House of Saxe-Coburg. Being of
>a German father and a partially German mother, he was more German than
>British.
>
>Due to the sensibilities of the time, 1917, the name of the Royal House
>was changed from the House of Saxe-Coburg to House of Windsor during the
>reign of Victoria's grandson, George V. His son became Edward VIII who
>abdicated in favor of his brother George VI who in turn spawned Elizabeth
>II.
>
>Elizabeth II is as much German as British. The Prince of Wales is half
>Greek, part German, and part British. Once he ascends the throne, the
>House of Windsor will become the House of (whatever Prince Philip's last
>name is).
>
You all seem to be missing one very important point. She was born in Britain
so she is 100% British. Unless you are BORN in Germany or become a naturalized
German citizen you are not German. It is all nice to talk about ancestery and
I suppose many in this particulatr NG are vrey sensitive to the subject, but
the Queen is no more German then I (or Mr Akins) are actually Scottish. I am an
American first and last with Scottish ancestors, but that does not make me a
Scot (9as many on this NG from Scotland have pointed out). Which is fine, I am
very proud of being an American and I wouldn't have it any other way. And
while many do not agree with some or even all of the things the Queen does or
is, she certainly has made it clear where her loyalty stands, Firmly with
Britain. I don't ever remember reading about George VI asking for anmesty
from the Germans durning the dark days of WWII when it looked like Britain
would be overrun.
Alexander Maclennan
>>
> No Sandy it is not necessary but I always think that if you are going to
> something you should do it properly. What would Mr Burns think about
> toasting the Her majesty?
If Burns were to turn up at a Burns supper, I would suspect he would
make a determined pass at any eligible female present and quite likely
have to be carried home. Were there no females present he might
offer a few samples from the Merry Muses of Caledonia.
--
Alexander MacLennan sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk
Joe Makowiec
> Elizabeth II is as much German as British. The Prince of Wales is half
> Greek, part German, and part British. Once he ascends the throne, the
> House of Windsor will become the House of (whatever Prince Philip's last
> name is).
Battenburg, er, Mountbatten... Though his offspring are known as
Windsor, after Mum. I think there might be an explanation at
http://www.royal.gov.uk/
Joe
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Bob Germer
"anne.burgess" <anne.b...@newscientist.net> said:
> Always thought that Chas and Di were pretty tactless in their choice of
> names, given that the number of Kings William and Kings Henry is not the
> same in Scotland as in England, so when/if Wills succeeds it will
> rekindle all the arguments about what his correct number should be.
Not necessarily so. When he succeeds Elizabeth II, he can choose any name
he likes. I remember speculation in the press some years ago whether he
would avail himself of this given the rather sad history of the various
Charlies. Remember, Albert chose to reign as George when he followed
Victoria.
THreeBoaRS
<snip>
>What would Mr Burns think about
>toasting the Her majesty?
Depends on his tastes. Light brown, medium, or burn(s)t?
(Sorry everyone! I couldn't wait for MacR on that one.)
-------------------
"Everybody is ignorant. Only on different subjects."
- Will Rogers
NINETY 3RD
Date: Wed, 19 January 2000 03:12 PM EST
Message-id: <38861aec$2$obot$mr2...@news.pics.com>
>>
I didn't see the redneck, racist's message since he is killfiled. However,
Elizabeth II has a great deal of German Blood in her veins. >>
All quite true, but then how long ago does the DNA strand have to go back
before it is considered a different nationality?
How many of those in or with ancestors from the Island of Britain also have
"German" blood from all those invading Angles, Jutes, Saxons etc.? Or from more
than a few Roman Legionaries? How many have Norse/Scandinavic? How about
throwing in the odd Italian traveling salesmerchant or Moorish slave girl...?
No one is quite pure anything.
Or do we call Robert the Bruce a "Frog" as well since he was about half
"Norman"? (Though that side of his family had been in Britain for around 200
years...).
And don't forget good old Bonnie Prince Foppy being half Polish and born in
Rome.
Off the top of my head I seem to recall James III marrying a Dane, James IV (or
V?) marrying a Frenchie, and James I & VI (the great grandfather of George I)
being half French himself.
So it goes with noble - especially royal - families. All of them. That's
history.
I have Scot, English, Welsh and Irish ancestors but having been born in the USA
seems to make me an "American". Last I heard QEII was born in Britain -- not
"Germany". Her ancestor George may have been born in Hanover, but he was just
as "Scottish" as the Bonnie Prance.
anne.burgess
SilntThnkr wrote
>You all seem to be missing one very important point. [The Queen} was born
in Britain
>so she is 100% British. Unless you are BORN in Germany or become a
naturalized
>German citizen you are not German. It is all nice to talk about ancestery
and
>I suppose many in this particulatr NG are vrey sensitive to the subject,
but
>the Queen is no more German then I (or Mr Akins) are actually Scottish. I
am an
>American first and last with Scottish ancestors, but that does not make me
a
>Scot (as many on this NG from Scotland have pointed out). Which is fine, I
am
>very proud of being an American and I wouldn't have it any other way. And
>while many do not agree with some or even all of the things the Queen does
or
>is, she certainly has made it clear where her loyalty stands, Firmly with
>Britain. I don't ever remember reading about George VI asking for anmesty
>from the Germans durning the dark days of WWII when it looked like Britain
>would be overrun.
Well said David!
Anne
Lesley Robertson
Bob Germer <bobg.REMOVEME.@pics.com> wrote in message
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>
> Elizabeth II is as much German as British. The Prince of Wales is half
> Greek, part German, and part British. Once he ascends the throne, the
> House of Windsor will become the House of (whatever Prince Philip's last
> name is).
Elizabeth the I and II carries considerably more scots blood than many who
read this group - unless, of course, it's considered that the mother doesn't
count. Queen Elizabeth the Queen mother descends from one of the oldest
families of Scotland. Even Bill Shakespeare had heard of them. She does, of
course, have german ancestors, but that was quite a while back. As Prince
Philip isn't greek, Prince Charles can't be claimed to have any greek
blood - and they'll remain the House of Windsor.
Lesley Robertson
Lachie Macquarie
<bobg.REMOVEME.?@pics.com> writes
>> > > anyone help me with a traditional toast?
>> >
>> > Simply `Gentlemen, the Queen`. It is no longer necessary to stand on
>> > your chair with one foot on the table for this and after draining your
>> > glass, to hurl it to shatter in the hearth.
>
>say the least.
>
>> There's quite a few of them about.
>
>San Francisco, etc.
>
>
>--
I was in Frisco as the hipsters call it, a couple of weeks ago, mostly pished, I
only saw two but I do not think they were your type Bob.
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Lachie Macquarie
<sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk> writes
>Lachie Macquarie <Lac...@lachiemacq.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>
>
>> No Sandy it is not necessary but I always think that if you are going to
>> toasting the Her majesty?
>
>If Burns were to turn up at a Burns supper, I would suspect he would
>make a determined pass at any eligible female present and quite likely
>have to be carried home. Were there no females present he might
>offer a few samples from the Merry Muses of Caledonia.
>
>
>--
I actually meant would he have approved of, having pishups over his memory
and would he have sealed his approval of the monarchy with a loyal toast?
>
>
>Alexander MacLennan sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
James William Oliver wrote in message
<863t88$efq$1...@sparkie.st-andrews.ac.uk>...
>PS Your evidence for the Queen being German is??? (and don't be so stupid
as
>to post the reply I expect you to...)
Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenburg (alias "Mountbatten-Windsor") has a
rather German sound to me.
Steven Akins of that Ilk
sja...@sonet.net
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
SilntThnkr wrote in message
<20000119184100...@ng-cq1.aol.com>...
>You all seem to be missing one very important point. She was born in
Britain
>so she is 100% British. Unless you are BORN in Germany or become a
naturalized
>German citizen you are not German. It is all nice to talk about ancestery
and
>I suppose many in this particulatr NG are vrey sensitive to the subject,
but
>the Queen is no more German then I (or Mr Akins) are actually Scottish. I
am an
>American first and last with Scottish ancestors, but that does not make me
a
>Scot (9as many on this NG from Scotland have pointed out). Which is fine,
I am
>very proud of being an American and I wouldn't have it any other way. And
>while many do not agree with some or even all of the things the Queen does
or
>is, she certainly has made it clear where her loyalty stands, Firmly with
>Britain. I don't ever remember reading about George VI asking for anmesty
>from the Germans durning the dark days of WWII when it looked like Britain
>would be overrun.
"A man may be born in a barn, but that does not make him a horse"
- The Duke of Wellington, who was born in Ireland, yet was throughly and
completely English.
SilntThnkr
Excellent Mr Akins, then you won't mind if we in AMerica vote you not an
American? I don't know what you would be, I am SURE the Sciots wouldn't want
you, and would probably decide you are not one of them either. Fortunitly it
is not like that. A country is made up of ALLL of its citizens. Even if some
of them don't want others of them around. Lucky for you huh? Welcome to
America. We're glad you stop by.
anne.burgess
>rather German sound to me.
It isn't Battenburg, it's BattenBERG. In German 'Burg' means 'castle' or
'town' or 'fortress' and 'Berg' means 'mountain'. That's why it was
anglicised as MOUNTbatten.
Anne
PS 'Akins' has a rather painful sound to me (aching? get it?) <g>
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
anne.burgess wrote in message <38872...@news2.vip.uk.com>...
>>Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenburg (alias "Mountbatten-Windsor") has a
>>rather German sound to me.
>
>
>It isn't Battenburg, it's BattenBERG. In German 'Burg' means 'castle' or
>'town' or 'fortress' and 'Berg' means 'mountain'. That's why it was
>anglicised as MOUNTbatten.
Thank you for that clarification, German is a foreign language to me, so I
am not that well versed in its peculiarities. I believe the reason for
Battenberg being changed to Mountbatten was due to a public-relations
attempt to make the Royal family appear less German and more English, as a
result of the bad blood between the Brits and the Jerries due to World Wars
I & II
>PS 'Akins' has a rather painful sound to me (aching? get it?) <g>
Akins is said to derrive from the place-name Akin, which was given to the
village and the strait of Kyle Akin (Hakon's strait) and is a Scotified
variant of Hakon, though it might also be a derriative of Eachain (Hector),
as some members of our Clan spell the name as Eakins, especially in Ulster.
Sean MacUisdin
>
> James William Oliver wrote in message
> <863t88$efq$1...@sparkie.st-andrews.ac.uk>...
>
> >PS Your evidence for the Queen being German is??? (and don't be so stupid
> as
> >to post the reply I expect you to...)
>
> rather German sound to me.
>
> sja...@sonet.net
Wrap your feeble wee mind around the fact that she was born in England,
prat.
--
Air muir 's air tir,
Sean of Clan Uisdin
-------------------
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bathtub mulling over his thoughts wi' a dram o' Glen Ord.
Remove 'mac' to reply.
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How bitter to our hearts is the grief for them!
We shall not live long after them,
Perilous we think it to be bereaved of the brotherhood!
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(Mothers against Canada)
Robert McKay
>Date: Thu, 20 January 2000 10:19 AM EST
>David, here in America, most of us refer to ourselves as (Pick your
>own)-Americans. We have Italian-Americans, German-Americans,
>Mexican-Americans, African-Americans, Irish Americans, British-Americans,
>etc.
Most? I must have been out of the country for the past nearly 40 years, then,
because most of the people I've known in that time do *not* refer to themselves
that way. They just call themselves Americans.
>The Scots have Clans. Never call a MacDonald a Campbell for example
>(unless one has a death wish).
And the Scots who post here - I mean citizens of Scotland - have more than once
told us that in America there's much more clan consciousness than in Scotland,
even in the Highlands. I tend to thing someone who's lived in Scotland all his
life has some idea of what Scotland's like.
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
Sean MacUisdin wrote in message <3887634F...@home.com>...
>Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
>>
>> James William Oliver wrote in message
>> <863t88$efq$1...@sparkie.st-andrews.ac.uk>...
>>
>> >PS Your evidence for the Queen being German is??? (and don't be so
stupid
>> as
>> >to post the reply I expect you to...)
>>
>> Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenburg (alias "Mountbatten-Windsor") has
a
>> rather German sound to me.
>>
>> Steven Akins of that Ilk
>> sja...@sonet.net
>
>Wrap your feeble wee mind around the fact that she was born in England,
>prat.
I was born in a hospital, but that doesn't make me a doctor, McMoron.
ne...@jwo100.freeuk.com
>Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenburg (alias \"Mountbatten-Windsor\") has a rather German >sound to me.
>
>Steven Akins of that Ilk
>sja...@sonet.net
Exactly what I expected you to say. How predictable. Not suprising though considering almost every message you post says exactly the same as thing as the ones before it, with only a slightly different word order.
Run along now...
James
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Mark E Sievert
journeys <jour...@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
news:s89h356...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> I get to toast the Queen this year at our Robert Burns dinner. Can anyone
> help me with a traditional toast?
> Sharon
>
>
From Debretts Correct Form, the Loyal Toast. Gather everyone's attention
and say "Ladies and Gentlemen, the Queen." That's it!
Mark E. Sievert
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
ne...@jwo100.freeuk.com wrote in message ...
>Exactly what I expected you to say. How predictable. Not suprising though
considering almost every message you post says exactly the same as thing as
the ones before it, with only a slightly different word order.
Well, of course it is exactly what you expected that I would say, because
you know it to be the truth. The truth is always predictable, knowable, and
unsuprising because it is based upon fact, and facts are consistant and
unvarying. You may of course congradulate your Queen on maintaining a
relentless and unyeilding grasp over all of the countries in the British
Isles despite the fact that she only became Queen through the very odd
circumstances of her uncle Edward having been forced to abdicate the throne
because of his politically incorrect love of Mrs. Simpson who had the
misfortune of being a divorced American. Odd now that Queenie's son, Charlie
boy, stands to inherit the British throne as the first divorced Monarch
since Henry VIII, with Mrs. Parker-Bowles in tow, no doubt. Evidently in
Britain what is sauce for the goose is not always sauce for the gander. Pity
that shabby bunch is all you have for permanent figureheads. Well, perhaps
that dashing young son of the former Miss Spencer will set things right for
your lot, certainly anything would be an improvement over the current batch
of royals.
Steven Akins of that Ilk
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
Lachie Macquarie wrote in message
<446pjAA0...@lachiemacq.demon.co.uk>...
>Circumstance Berkhampstead!
>You are on the ball yet again, we could not have an American on the throne
>now could we?
Why not, Churchill was half American, where would you be without him?
(rhetorical question, of course)
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
Mark Ferguson wrote in message <3887C5...@whew.com>...
>Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
> Medieval historians recorded a tradition that the founder of Scotland's
monarchy was a Fergus who lived in Ireland about 300 B.C. Historical
research dating from the 13th century confirms that by 500 A.D. the Scots
under King Fergus Mor had left Northern Ireland and became established in
Dalriada, now Argyll. From Fergus Mor, with a few early exceptions, descend
all subsequent kings and queens of the Scots, including the present Queen of
Great Britain. St. Columba of Iona (6th century A.D.) was a scion of Fergus
Mor's royal line.
So, I guess we are cousins after all, some 100 generations removed, of
course.
Bob Germer
silnt...@aol.com (SilntThnkr) said:
> >"A man may be born in a barn, but that does not make him a horse"
> >
> >- The Duke of Wellington, who was born in Ireland, yet was throughly and
> >completely English.
> Excellent Mr Akins, then you won't mind if we in AMerica vote you not an
> American? I don't know what you would be, I am SURE the Sciots wouldn't
> want you, and would probably decide you are not one of them either.
> Fortunitly it is not like that. A country is made up of ALLL of its
> citizens. Even if some of them don't want others of them around. Lucky
> for you huh? Welcome to America. We're glad you stop by.
David, here in America, most of us refer to ourselves as (Pick your
own)-Americans. We have Italian-Americans, German-Americans,
Mexican-Americans, African-Americans, Irish Americans, British-Americans,
etc.
Even in mostly homogenous populations like Germany, they hyphenate
themselves in effect by referring to others and self as Rhinelander,
Berliner, Bavarian, etc. The same thing is true in Ireland, Canada,
Mexico.
The Scots have Clans. Never call a MacDonald a Campbell for example
(unless one has a death wish).
So, I have to disagree with you.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lachie Macquarie
LVKiltie8703 <lvkilt...@cs.com> writes
>>Subject: Re: Toast the Queen
>>Date: Wed, 19 January 2000 09:43 AM EST
>>Message-id: <20000119094341...@ng-fc1.aol.com>
>>
>>Some infantile ass born in America wrote:
>><< How about:
>>
>>"Up your German ass, Queenie!"
>> >>
>>
>>Funny, I thought she was born in Britain, and descended from James 1/VI.....
>>
>different nationalities in the Queen's blood line is:
>50% Scottish, 31 1/4 %mGerman, 12 1/2 % Hungarian, & 6 1/4 % Danish.
>
>Fopr Charles it is
>25% Scottish,. 65 5/8% German, 6 1/4 % Hungarian, and 3 1/8 Danish.
>
>For William, it is
>50 % English, 12 1/2 % Scottish, 32 3/4 % German, 1 5/8 % Hungarian,& 1 9/16 $
>Danish.
>With William the pendulum has finally swung back to its proper position, as his
>combined British bloodline is at least equal or greater than James 1 / VI.
>
This is completely ludicrous, for Gods sake she is not any less a mongrel than
many of the contributors to this news group and I do not mean it in the
Australian form.
We are going to doing a vanishing act up our fundaments at this level of
debate.
A'Mhaigdean/RuadhStac Mor from Corriehallie
Beinn Klibreck via Loch Coire
Mount(h) Keen via Glen Tanar
Beinn nan Aigheanean/Starav from Taynuilt/Glen Kinglas
Ben Nevis via the Allt a Mhuillin (the bogs are forgiven)
Ladhar Bheinn across Loch Hourn
Beinn Sgritheall from Glen Beag
Mark Ferguson
>
> >>Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenburg (alias "Mountbatten-Windsor") has a
> >>rather German sound to me.
> >
> >
> >It isn't Battenburg, it's BattenBERG. In German 'Burg' means 'castle' or
> >'town' or 'fortress' and 'Berg' means 'mountain'. That's why it was
> >anglicised as MOUNTbatten.
>
> Thank you for that clarification, German is a foreign language to me, so I
> am not that well versed in its peculiarities. I believe the reason for
> Battenberg being changed to Mountbatten was due to a public-relations
> attempt to make the Royal family appear less German and more English, as a
> result of the bad blood between the Brits and the Jerries due to World Wars
> I & II
>
> >PS 'Akins' has a rather painful sound to me (aching? get it?) <g>
Pian is the ass, is that what you were trying to say?
> Akins is said to derrive from the place-name Akin, which was given to the
> village and the strait of Kyle Akin (Hakon's strait) and is a Scotified
> variant of Hakon, though it might also be a derriative of Eachain (Hector),
> as some members of our Clan spell the name as Eakins, especially in Ulster.
Fergus(s)on, son of Fergus Mac Mor Erc 300 BC, first king of Ireland.
In one of the oldest documents of ancient Scottish history, the "Tract on the Men of Albyn", Fergusson is the only modern clan name mentioned.
Medieval historians recorded a tradition that the founder of Scotland's monarchy was a Fergus who lived in Ireland about 300 B.C. Historical research dating from the 13th century confirms that by 500 A.D. the Scots under King Fergus Mor had left Northern Ireland and became established in Dalriada, now Argyll. From Fergus Mor, with a few early exceptions, descend all subsequent kings and queens of the Scots, including the present Queen of Great Britain. St. Columba of Iona (6th century A.D.) was a scion of Fergus Mor's royal line.
http://www.tartans.com/clans/Fergusson/fergusson.html
> Steven Akins of that Ilk
> sja...@sonet.net
--
Cheers Mark Ferguson
http://www.whew.com/
Lachie Macquarie
of that Ilk <sja...@sonet.net> writes
Circumstance Berkhampstead!
You are on the ball yet again, we could not have an American on the throne
now could we?
With just over forty aircraft the Irish Air Corps, is one of the smallest
Air Forces in Europe.
Nevertheless the VAC uses nine different aircraft types, which makes it a
varied an interesting Corps.
Where else in Europe can you see Casino's 172 in camouflage colours ?
We are proud to present the Irish Air Corps Order of Battle and database
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
Mark Ferguson wrote in message <3887CF...@whew.com>...
>>
>> > Medieval historians recorded a tradition that the founder of Scotland's
>> monarchy was a Fergus who lived in Ireland about 300 B.C. Historical
>> research dating from the 13th century confirms that by 500 A.D. the Scots
>> under King Fergus Mor had left Northern Ireland and became established in
>> Dalriada, now Argyll. From Fergus Mor, with a few early exceptions,
descend
>> all subsequent kings and queens of the Scots, including the present Queen
of
>> Great Britain. St. Columba of Iona (6th century A.D.) was a scion of
Fergus
>> Mor's royal line.
>>
>> course.
>
While it is one thing to talk of a familial connection some 1500 years ago
that may be traced through genealogical records, it is quite another thing
to speak of any sort of real relationship between persons whose ancestry
diverged way back in the Stone Age, thousands upon thousands of generations
ago. You are far more liberal than myself in your beliefs, as is your right;
but you must also respect my right to my beliefs as well. If you do not
respect my right to hold the beliefs that I choose, then you yourself are
the intollerant bigot which you espouse me to be.
Mark Ferguson
>
> Mark Ferguson wrote in message <3887C5...@whew.com>...
> >Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
>
> > Medieval historians recorded a tradition that the founder of Scotland's
> monarchy was a Fergus who lived in Ireland about 300 B.C. Historical
> research dating from the 13th century confirms that by 500 A.D. the Scots
> under King Fergus Mor had left Northern Ireland and became established in
> Dalriada, now Argyll. From Fergus Mor, with a few early exceptions, descend
> all subsequent kings and queens of the Scots, including the present Queen of
> Great Britain. St. Columba of Iona (6th century A.D.) was a scion of Fergus
> Mor's royal line.
>
> So, I guess we are cousins after all, some 100 generations removed, of
> course.
As is everybody. Learn that and I would be glad to call you kin.
> Steven Akins of that Ilk
> sja...@sonet.net
--
Cheers Mark
http://www.whew.com/
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
>Wrap your feeble wee mind around the fact that she was born in England,
>prat.
Okay, Cannuck, let's play what's my ethnicity. J.R.R. Tolkien, professor of
English at Oxford University in the 1930's-60's was the well known author of
the juvenile fantasy "The Hobbit", which was followed by the epic sequel
"The Lord of the Rings", so what was Tolkien?:
A. African
B. English
C. German
Mark Ferguson
>
> >Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
> >>
> >> Mark Ferguson wrote in message <3887C5...@whew.com>...
> >> >Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
> >>
> >> > Medieval historians recorded a tradition that the founder of Scotland's
> >> monarchy was a Fergus who lived in Ireland about 300 B.C. Historical
> >> research dating from the 13th century confirms that by 500 A.D. the Scots
> >> under King Fergus Mor had left Northern Ireland and became established in
> >> Dalriada, now Argyll. From Fergus Mor, with a few early exceptions,
> descend
> >> all subsequent kings and queens of the Scots, including the present Queen
> of
> >> Great Britain. St. Columba of Iona (6th century A.D.) was a scion of
> Fergus
> >> Mor's royal line.
> >>
> >> So, I guess we are cousins after all, some 100 generations removed, of
> >> course.
> >
> >As is everybody. Learn that and I would be glad to call you kin.
>
> that may be traced through genealogical records, it is quite another thing
> to speak of any sort of real relationship between persons whose ancestry
> diverged way back in the Stone Age, thousands upon thousands of generations
> ago. You are far more liberal than myself in your beliefs, as is your right;
> but you must also respect my right to my beliefs as well. If you do not
> respect my right to hold the beliefs that I choose, then you yourself are
> the intollerant bigot which you espouse me to be.
Too bad.... I gave you to much credit again. My one and only prejudice
is that of stupidity. I admit to it freely and without reservation. I
have provided you the needed information about DNA and how all humans
are one species and you cannot accept it. It is fact that all humans
originated from one place.
Black skin is less likey to get skin cancer caused by the sun.
Caucasions are so because of less sunlight.
This is the reason for the skin color changes.
> Steven Akins of that Ilk
> sja...@sonet.net
--
Cheers Mark
http://www.whew.com/
http://www.whew.com/scams.pac.bell.shtml - the latest PacBell scam
Mark Ferguson
>
> >prat.
>
> Okay, Cannuck, let's play what's my ethnicity.
Moron comes to mind is that what your heratige is?
I have already provided my lineage....
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
Mark Ferguson wrote in message <3888A6...@whew.com>...
>Too bad.... I gave you to much credit again. My one and only prejudice
>is that of stupidity. I admit to it freely and without reservation. I
>have provided you the needed information about DNA and how all humans
>are one species and you cannot accept it. It is fact that all humans
>originated from one place.
>
>Black skin is less likey to get skin cancer caused by the sun.
>Caucasions are so because of less sunlight.
>
>This is the reason for the skin color changes.
Wonderful. Now, having such an impressive knowledge of DNA and such matters,
would you please explain to everyone which chromosome it is that is
responsible for the white European peoples to have discovered the use of
metalworking (first bronze, then iron), to have built such magnificent
masterpieces of architecture as Notre Dame Cathedral, Westminster Abbey,
Windsor Castle, and the like; to have produced artists such as Van Dyke,
Rembrant, Raeburn, Landseer, to have produced inventors such as DaVenci,
Edison, Bell, the Wright Bros., and yet all the while that these fantastic
works were being wrought by the white European peoples, the black peoples of
Africa had managed to only live in grass huts, wear bones in their noses,
gourds on their penises, and plates in their lips, while we were busying
ourselves with developing ever more efficient means of manufacturing and
transportation, and they were busy boiling missionaries in pots for their
dinner. Perhaps, Prof. Ferguson, you can explain this apparent chromosomal
anomaly?
Sean MacUisdin
>
> >Wrap your feeble wee mind around the fact that she was born in England,
> >prat.
>
> English at Oxford University in the 1930's-60's was the well known author of
> the juvenile fantasy "The Hobbit", which was followed by the epic sequel
> "The Lord of the Rings", so what was Tolkien?:
>
> A. African
>
> B. English
>
> C. German
Where was he born, prat? What was his citizenship, prat?
Mark Ferguson
to stupid for further discussion. I have given you the facts and you
simply have chosen to ignore them.
*** - PLONK - ***
James William Oliver
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk <sja...@sonet.net> wrote in message
news:GCNh4.305$XB....@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> sja...@sonet.net
You really are completely full to the brim with bile aren't you. Having a
go at me I could understand, but I find your reaction to the Royal Family to
be fascinating to say the least. Just goes to show how deluded and far from
reality you really are. Firstly, everyone knows I am pro-monarchy and I
make no attempt to hide this, however even the most hardened Republican
cannot say that Queen Elizabeth has not served her country extremely well
over the past 45 years, working very hard and acting with a great deal of
dignity.
Another point you should remember is that it was considered unacceptable
for the King to marry a divorcee, especially in the 1930's, American or not.
Also remember that attitudes have changed since the 1940's and if Charles
marries Parker-Bowles, it would probably be considered more acceptable, but
I doubt that this will happen.
You're just stupid Akins, and fishing for a reaction. I hope you do so,
certainly on this matter, becuase I get to berate you and people can see you
for what you really are, pathetic.
Perhaps you should start sticking to the old saying "little boys should be
seen and not heard".
James
James William Oliver
Mark Ferguson <ad...@whew.com> wrote in message
news:3888DB...@whew.com...
Ofcourse he is, remember Akins knows all and is infallable. Our Illustrious
Klan Chief if the epitome of what it means to be Scottish. He can never be
wrong, I advise you to apologise quickly or face his wrath. He'll nick all
yer sheep you know...
James
Mhic-Ghille-Mhuire
>
> On 01/20/2000 at 02:48 PM,
> silnt...@aol.com (SilntThnkr) said:
>
> > >"A man may be born in a barn, but that does not make him a horse"
> > >
> > >- The Duke of Wellington, who was born in Ireland, yet was throughly and
> > >completely English.
>
> > Excellent Mr Akins, then you won't mind if we in AMerica vote you not an
> > American? I don't know what you would be, I am SURE the Sciots wouldn't
> > want you, and would probably decide you are not one of them either.
> > Fortunitly it is not like that. A country is made up of ALLL of its
> > citizens. Even if some of them don't want others of them around. Lucky
> > for you huh? Welcome to America. We're glad you stop by.
>
> David, here in America, most of us refer to ourselves as (Pick your
> own)-Americans. We have Italian-Americans, German-Americans,
> Mexican-Americans, African-Americans, Irish Americans, British-Americans,
> etc.
>
Actually, I've never used these terms. I'm simply American. If people
want to know my ancestry, I usually say "I'm a mutt". What I KNOW of
it, I'm of Irish, Scottish, English, & German descent. Family legend
also includes French & American Indian.
> Even in mostly homogenous populations like Germany, they hyphenate
> themselves in effect by referring to others and self as Rhinelander,
> Berliner, Bavarian, etc. The same thing is true in Ireland, Canada,
> Mexico.
As far as Germany, it's the same as us in the US identifying ourselves
as Texan, New Yorker, Californian, etc. And being homogenous? No more
than in the US as far as culture & language. Having lived in both
Munich & No. Germany, the culture difference is greater than between
Austin & small town Ill. where I grew up. As far a language, while
living there, I was told by Bavarians in Munich that THEY can't
understand Bavarians from the Bavarian Forest. Little alone the
difference between Munich Bavarian w/ what they speak in the various
areas in No. Germany. Much different than the NY accent & west TX. In
fact, much different than "American" & Scottish English.
>
> The Scots have Clans. Never call a MacDonald a Campbell for example
> (unless one has a death wish).
>
> So, I have to disagree with you.
>
And so I have to disagree with you.
Regards,
Dillard Gilmore (Mhic-Ghille-Mhuire)
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
<3w2i4.132$9f1....@newsfeed.slurp.net>...
>
Mark Ferguson, backed into a corner, feebly wrote in message
<3888DB...@whew.com>...
>Wonderful. Now, having such an impressive knowledge of DNA and such
matters,
>would you please explain to everyone which chromosome it is that is
>responsible for the white European peoples to have discovered the use of
>metalworking (first bronze, then iron), to have built such magnificent
>masterpieces of architecture as Notre Dame Cathedral, Westminster Abbey,
>Windsor Castle, and the like; to have produced artists such as Van Dyke,
>Rembrant, Raeburn, Landseer, to have produced inventors such as DaVenci,
>Edison, Bell, the Wright Bros., and yet all the while that these fantastic
>works were being wrought by the white European peoples, the black peoples
of
>Africa had managed to only live in grass huts, wear bones in their noses,
>gourds on their penises, and plates in their lips, while we were busying
>ourselves with developing ever more efficient means of manufacturing and
>transportation, and they were busy boiling missionaries in pots for their
>dinner. Perhaps, Prof. Ferguson, you can explain this apparent chromosomal
>anomaly?
>>It has been brought to my attention by Helen, and I must agree, you are
>>to stupid for further discussion. I have given you the facts and you
>>simply have chosen to ignore them.
Ah, I see, Professor, you are stumped again and have only your limp little
insults to fling about like that wet noodle that you use as a brain. Odd
that both the white race and the black race are supposed to have descended
from the same genetic DNA, yet it is the white race that has accomplished
every single significant work of art, science, discovery and technology, and
the black race has managed all that time to live in the same grass and mud
huts, wearing the same loin-cloths that they were wearing millions of years
ago, without a single progressive accomplishment (apart from the art of
shrinking heads and cannibal cuisine) until brought into contact with white
European culture. It just goes to prove the old cliché true: "so close, and
yet so far".
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
NINETY 3RD wrote in message
<20000121222748...@ng-cd1.aol.com>...
>Now, just to straighten all this out...
>Tolkien, on his father's side, had ancestors a few generations back
(Tollkuhn)
>from Saxony (what some small brains lump into the gestalt of "Germany"),
who
>moved at some point to England, and stayed. His mother's side had naturally
>been "British" much longer, and was from the Midlands.
>His mother went to join and marry his father (who had recently moved after
he
>obtained a position with the Bank of Africa) in Bloemfontein, South Africa
>(part of the British Empire). JRR Tolkien was born there in 1892. In 1895
his
>mother took him and a brother back to England, where he grows up, goes to
>school, and except for the time he spent in the *British* Army in France
during
>WWI, lived all his life.
Oooh, excellent! You have done your home-work, 93rd!
>Answer to the absurd question:
>He was British. (As is QEII).
>
>Born of British parents, in a British Colony, raised, schooled, lived in
and
>fought for Britain.
>
>However, I am sure according to the mangled logic of Herr Ilk, Tolkien is a
>"German", simply because part of his family line from way back had "German"
>ancestors. In that case, we are ALL "africans"..... DOH!
My point being that although Tolkien was born in South Africa, it did not
make him an African. Queen Elizabeth was born in England, but....., well,
you know what I'm getting at.
>All this on Tolkien does however show us one important fact.
>
>Ilk is most obviously not a Troll, as I first proposed.
>
>Ilk is in fact an Orc.
ROTFL!
You know, I would cease and desist my tormenting of you all if it were not
so Hobbit-forming.
Don McCullough
: Okay, Cannuck, let's play what's my ethnicity. J.R.R. Tolkien, professor of
: English at Oxford University in the 1930's-60's was the well known author of
: the juvenile fantasy "The Hobbit", which was followed by the epic sequel
: "The Lord of the Rings", so what was Tolkien?:
A writer?
--
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Stephen Hamilton
> Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk <sja...@sonet.net> wrote:
>
> : Okay, Cannuck, let's play what's my ethnicity. J.R.R. Tolkien, professor of
> : English at Oxford University in the 1930's-60's was the well known author of
> : the juvenile fantasy "The Hobbit", which was followed by the epic sequel
> : "The Lord of the Rings", so what was Tolkien?:
>
> A writer?
>
Okay Don, if you can't even pretend to be serious you can't play. . . Obviously
this guy isn't a *real* scot or even a *real* SOAD (scot of american descent) or
he'd hav his prejudices in the following order:
The *nglish
Everyone else
MacRobert
NINETY 3RD
>
> >Wrap your feeble wee mind around the fact that she was born in England,
> >prat.
>
> English at Oxford University in the 1930's-60's was the well known author of
> the juvenile fantasy "The Hobbit", which was followed by the epic sequel
> "The Lord of the Rings", so what was Tolkien?:
>
>
> B. English
>
> C. German
>>
This IS too stupid, as someone else already said. The obvious - and cliched -
first answer to Prat of that Ilk is "So what is your point?"
The second is "You just rebutted yourself, moron."
The whole thread has been built on the feeble flimsy and fantasy land coockery
that QEII is "German". Now the Grand Coockoo himself uses the same methodology
all others have used to show QEII IS British to ask what "nationality" Tolkien
was!
This is akin (or is that Akins?) to something along the lines of shooting a
Spanish cow to prove fruit comes from trees. (Yes, you guessed it --- it is
idiocy.
Now, just to straighten all this out...
Tolkien, on his father's side, had ancestors a few generations back (Tollkuhn)
from Saxony (what some small brains lump into the gestalt of "Germany"), who
moved at some point to England, and stayed. His mother's side had naturally
been "British" much longer, and was from the Midlands.
His mother went to join and marry his father (who had recently moved after he
obtained a position with the Bank of Africa) in Bloemfontein, South Africa
(part of the British Empire). JRR Tolkien was born there in 1892. In 1895 his
mother took him and a brother back to England, where he grows up, goes to
school, and except for the time he spent in the *British* Army in France during
WWI, lived all his life.
Answer to the absurd question:
He was British. (As is QEII).
Born of British parents, in a British Colony, raised, schooled, lived in and
fought for Britain.
However, I am sure according to the mangled logic of Herr Ilk, Tolkien is a
"German", simply because part of his family line from way back had "German"
ancestors. In that case, we are ALL "africans"..... DOH!
All this on Tolkien does however show us one important fact.
Ilk is most obviously not a Troll, as I first proposed.
Ilk is in fact an Orc.
Cheers!
***"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" - Peter Sellers
as the US President in "Dr. Strangelove".
Bob Germer
"James William Oliver" <j...@st-andrews.ac.uk> said:
> Ofcourse he is, remember Akins knows all and is infallable. Our
> Illustrious Klan Chief if the epitome of what it means to be Scottish.
> He can never be wrong, I advise you to apologise quickly or face his
> wrath. He'll nick all yer sheep you know...
Probably so he can bonk them too!
Mark Ferguson
>
> On 01/21/2000 at 10:48 PM,
> "James William Oliver" <j...@st-andrews.ac.uk> said:
>
> > Ofcourse he is, remember Akins knows all and is infallable. Our
> > Illustrious Klan Chief if the epitome of what it means to be Scottish.
> > He can never be wrong, I advise you to apologise quickly or face his
> > wrath. He'll nick all yer sheep you know...
I shake with fear at that thought ;-)
> Probably so he can bonk them too!
The mentally deficiant little Klansman is nipping around the heels of
those that are ignoring him. I told him to check midochondrial DNA
which is passed from mothers to daughters and he just spouts about skin
color and ethnicity as the causel factors of crime.
Tsk, tsk... what a waste of bandwith.
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Sean MacUisdin
> My point being that although Tolkien was born in South Africa, it did not
> make him an African. Queen Elizabeth was born in England, but....., well,
> you know what I'm getting at.
So you're not an American? Being born there doesn't seem to matter now.
I'm sure a large number of posters here will be happy as hell, prat.
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
Sean MacUisdin wrote in message <38895ECF...@home.com>...
>Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
>
>> My point being that although Tolkien was born in South Africa, it did not
>> make him an African. Queen Elizabeth was born in England, but....., well,
>> you know what I'm getting at.
>
>So you're not an American? Being born there doesn't seem to matter now.
>I'm sure a large number of posters here will be happy as hell, prat.
I am a citizen of the United States of America, but I am not a "Native
American", as this appellation is usually applied to those who are more
generally referred to (quite incorrectly one might add) as "Indians", not to
be confused with the true Indians who, of course, are native to India.
Again, citizenship is one thing, but what we are genetically, ethnically, or
whatever you wish to call it, is quite another matter.
Steven Akins of that Ilk
sja...@sonet.net
Lachie Macquarie
<sean.ma...@home.com> writes
>Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
>
>> My point being that although Tolkien was born in South Africa, it did not
>> make him an African. Queen Elizabeth was born in England, but....., well,
>> you know what I'm getting at.
>
>So you're not an American? Being born there doesn't seem to matter now.
>I'm sure a large number of posters here will be happy as hell, prat.
Hang on a minute, following this line of reasoning where is he from? He is no
coming here! They might of let Tyson in and Pinochet is off to Chile.
Maybe a sojourn in Monrovia or Port Harcourt would encourage a more
reasoned approach to the questions of race.
The Tehran ladies sing this song
Ayatollah Ayatollah
The Tehran ladies sing this song
The Ayatollah for me.
--
Kendo Nagasalkipoooreis Fretang Fetang Biscuit Barrel
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
Lachie Macquarie wrote in message ...
>In article <38895ECF...@home.com>, Sean MacUisdin
><sean.ma...@home.com> writes
>>Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
>>
>>> My point being that although Tolkien was born in South Africa, it did
not
>>> make him an African. Queen Elizabeth was born in England, but.....,
well,
>>> you know what I'm getting at.
>>
>>So you're not an American? Being born there doesn't seem to matter now.
>>I'm sure a large number of posters here will be happy as hell, prat.
>
>Hang on a minute, following this line of reasoning where is he from? He is
no
>coming here! They might of let Tyson in and Pinochet is off to Chile.
>Maybe a sojourn in Monrovia or Port Harcourt would encourage a more
>reasoned approach to the questions of race.
Do you mean the Monrovia in Africa that was named for U.S. President James
Monroe, and was founded as a repatriation colony for ex-slaves after they
were freed following the American Civil War? Surely a negro Zion if there
ever was one. I have never been there, though I did visit Monroville,
Alabama, last year, home of Harper Lee ("To Kill a Mockingbird") and Truman
Capote ("A Christmas Memory"). It was very much what one would expect having
read both their books.
Sean MacUisdin
>
> >
> >> My point being that although Tolkien was born in South Africa, it did not
> >> make him an African. Queen Elizabeth was born in England, but....., well,
> >> you know what I'm getting at.
> >
> >So you're not an American? Being born there doesn't seem to matter now.
> >I'm sure a large number of posters here will be happy as hell, prat.
>
> American", as this appellation is usually applied to those who are more
> generally referred to (quite incorrectly one might add) as "Indians", not to
> be confused with the true Indians who, of course, are native to India.
> Again, citizenship is one thing, but what we are genetically, ethnically, or
> whatever you wish to call it, is quite another matter.
>
> sja...@sonet.net
LOL - I'm not sure I've ever seen such a demonstration of tap dancing
around the issue, prat.
Issue - Queen Elizabeth - is she English? Yes, she was born in England.
Issue - Is Steven 'Prat' of Klan Akins 'merican? Yes, it was born in
'merica.
Ethnicity is not the issue, nationality is, buttercup.
Wrap that tiny mind around it, ye haunless glaikit jessie, 'cause once
again, you lose, prat.
Sean MacUisdin
>
> In article <38895ECF...@home.com>, Sean MacUisdin
> <sean.ma...@home.com> writes
> >
> >> My point being that although Tolkien was born in South Africa, it did not
> >> make him an African. Queen Elizabeth was born in England, but....., well,
> >> you know what I'm getting at.
> >
> >So you're not an American? Being born there doesn't seem to matter now.
> >I'm sure a large number of posters here will be happy as hell, prat.
>
> coming here! They might of let Tyson in and Pinochet is off to Chile.
> Maybe a sojourn in Monrovia or Port Harcourt would encourage a more
> reasoned approach to the questions of race.
Perhaps a sojourn back home to 'Pratlandia' is needed.
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
Sean MacUisdin wrote in message <3889D84F...@home.com>...
>Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> My point being that although Tolkien was born in South Africa, it did
not
>> >> make him an African. Queen Elizabeth was born in England, but.....,
well,
>> >> you know what I'm getting at.
>> >
>> >So you're not an American? Being born there doesn't seem to matter now.
>> >I'm sure a large number of posters here will be happy as hell, prat.
>>
>> American", as this appellation is usually applied to those who are more
>> generally referred to (quite incorrectly one might add) as "Indians", not
to
>> be confused with the true Indians who, of course, are native to India.
>> Again, citizenship is one thing, but what we are genetically, ethnically,
or
>> whatever you wish to call it, is quite another matter.
>>
>> Steven Akins of that Ilk
>> sja...@sonet.net
>
>LOL - I'm not sure I've ever seen such a demonstration of tap dancing
>around the issue, prat.
>
>Issue - Queen Elizabeth - is she English? Yes, she was born in England.
>Issue - Is Steven 'Prat' of Klan Akins 'merican? Yes, it was born in
>'merica.
>
>Ethnicity is not the issue, nationality is, buttercup.
>
>Wrap that tiny mind around it, ye haunless glaikit jessie, 'cause once
>again, you lose, prat.
The only thing I have lost is my estimation of your intelligence, which at
first glance would seem greater than you have demonstrated it to be. I don't
believe anyone has said anything about the "nationality" of Betsy
what's-her-name. Some daft American codger thought to proove his
"Britishness" by proposing an absurd toast to the queen of a foreign country
(or should I say "countries"), a Queen who sits on the throne of four
countries, who by right should sit on the throne of none, as it came to her
only through political skullduggery which ousted her uncle who would have
sat as king had he not valued his relationship with the woman he loved more
than Parliament valued its stodginess; a queen whose own son, the Prince of
Wales, has behaved in a far more uncouth manner than ever did Edward, not to
mention that the whole lot of them would never have been where they are
today had herr George das Hanover not been shoehorned into the British
throne. What a bloody messed-up pile of dung the whole Royal situation is!
Glad to be rid of it myself.
Sean MacUisdin
LOL - such sore words from a loser, git.
Beth is English - through and through. When toasting the Queen, it's not
an issue of ethnicity, it is one of nationality. Just like the Yankee
pledge - not an ethnic issue but a national one.
Hahahahaha - You dipped it big time, stumpie, and now like the bottom
feeder you are, you're fish tailing around the issue whilst building
every kind of flaccid straw man you can think of to keep everyone's
attention away from the fact that you're the vapid prat who barged
thoughtlessly into a thread, farted the contents of that thimble full of
grey matter bouncing prosaically around your hollow cranial cavity then
pulled back with a drooling contented grin like which slowly turned to
horror as the slow dawning pierced that built up brow ridge of yours
that - guess what- you're wrong again, piggy!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha - what a luuuu-zer!!!!!
Try to get it right next time, Stevie boy, because you're not good at
this at all.
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
Sean MacUisdin wrote in message <3889F1ED...@home.com>...
Ah yes, your usual juvenile response to everything. Sticking your tongue out
and emmulating raspberries. I don't know why I even bother, Sean, you are
far too immature to appreciate such sophisticated concepts as the
pluralities of culture, nationality and ethnicity. Go blow it out your
bagpipes, at least they can raise no objection to your foul breath.
Clan MacLeod Society - Sally Smith
I am using trn. Would someone kindly tell me how to make a killfile (Yes
I've RTFM but it didn't help)?
I'm also posting this publicly because I suspect the answer would be
of great use to others here.
Tapadh leibh (<-- look, something actually Scottish!)
Sally
--
Sally Smith, webmaster for the Clan MacLeod Societies, mac...@best.com
http://www.best.com/~macleod/
Disclaimer: the above posting is probably entirely my own opinion
James William Oliver
Ha, Akins having the audacity to lecture someone else on their ability to
comprehend "sophisticated concepts". Here are a few simple concepts for you
Akins: You are ignorant; you are narrow minded; you can't form an argument
that is correct (even in part); You can offend people with your mere
presence; you don't know or understand history; you don't know or understand
the British Isles and how they work; you have nothing worthwhile to
contribute here so you should GO AWAY.
As I see it, your story is this:
Some time ago you invented your own clan. Then one day, one or two
gullibles that happen to share your name signed on. Following this you
added the words "of that Ilk" to your name because it sounds Scottish and
increases your ego. Next, I belive, was the Decree of Akins Infallability,
a dogma that says everything you say is infact correct. After a short
time, say 5 minutes knowing your mental capabilities, you managed to totally
convince yourself of your own greatness and began to exist as the leader of
the mighty Clan Akins. Next you bought a computer and connected yourself to
the internet in order to covert the hapless billions that inhabit
cyberspace, but unfortunately merely ended up here. Then you trumpeted the
existence of your Clan and began to waste your own time writing the plethora
of postings that make no sense to anyone else in the civilised world.
Howver, you could not understand why all these people were opposing you. So
sitting back in complete exasperation you think that they just don't
understand what you mean and write some more....and here we are.
You are just completely in love with yourself. Everything about you seems
to shout "self-aggrandisement" or, in terms that I prefer to use, you are
just up your own arse. You're a pathetic man, a spoilt child that never
grew up. Accept it, you're wrong...just about all the time. Tell me, do
you do anything other than sit at your computer waiting for a posting to
appear that you can reply to?
Run along and find something better to do with your time...fool.
James
Sean MacUisdin
Hahahahahaha - Stevie, if only you could hear yourself cry!!! Such tears
to come from a grown man.... hahahahahahaha! It's a sad fact that if a
sophisticated concept goosed your ass, humped your leg, then scooted
across your pillow, you'd still require a clue, prat! You've just got
your predictable petulant shitty on because once again, you've been
proven to be nothing for than a gating clueless pinhead.
Come now, piggy, walk away with what smidgen of dignity you have left.
We've based in the glow of your stupidity long enough.
Clan MacNeil in Canada Webmaster
Tolkien was born in Bloemfontein, South Africa to English parents. He
was born on January 3rd, 1892. He came to England with his mother in
1895. So his place of birth makes him a South African, but due to his
parentage, he was English.
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>From: Clan MacNeil in Canada Webmaster webm...@clanmacneil.ca
>Tolkien was born in Bloemfontein, South Africa to English parents. He
>was born on January 3rd, 1892. He came to England with his mother in
>1895. So his place of birth makes him a South African, but due to his
>parentage, he was English.
Just FWIW (other than 'cause I'm in the mood for some pointless irrelevancies I
have no idea why I'm saying this<vbg>), my wife is both Korean and American.
She's Korean by birth and ancestry, and American by law (naturalized citizen).
I, OTOH, am Californian by birth, American by law, and a mongrel by ancestry.
I've got at least American Indian, German, and Scottish ancestry, and there may
be more I'm not aware of (I'm a pretty typical Anglo as far as ancestry goes).
I tell my kids they're half Korean and half Californian. :)
Robert McKay/Raibeart MacAoidh
AOL - Goffs California
E-mail - goffsca...@aol.com
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James Ross
burst out into song and give us verse 5 of "OUR"
national anthem with the bit about crushing us rebellious scots.
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
James Ross wrote in message <388b...@eeyore.callnetuk.com>...
>I cannot understand why you what want to toast her anyway. Maybe you could
>burst out into song and give us verse 5 of "OUR"
>national anthem with the bit about crushing us rebellious scots.
That quickly came to my mind also when the original post appeared:
"God grant that General Waid......sedetion etc......rebellious Scots to
crush, God save the Queen!" Just the sort of catchy tune to pull the old
Union together, what hey?
Lachie Macquarie
of that Ilk <sja...@sonet.net> writes
{Perthsire＃＃!
Auchentoshan!!!
God grant that Marshall Wade,
May by thy mighty aid, victory bring,
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush
God save the King.
We don't need Neil Young around do we Stephen?
It keeps me in the Union what say you tremulous deducer of the alchemist's
rainbow?
Rhetorical?
Bladnoch
Oh Eccles Let us play a game.
Bluebottle, bluebottle
--
Lachie Macquarie, Bod an Deamhain I wish.
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
Lachie Macquarie wrote in message ...
>God grant that Marshall Wade,
>May by thy mighty aid, victory bring,
>May he sedition hush,
>and like a torrent rush,
>Rebellious Scots to crush
>God save the King.
>
>We don't need Neil Young around do we Stephen?
Neil Young? I don't think so.
"I heard Mr. Young sing about her
I heard old Neil put her down;
But I hope Neil Young will remember
A Southern Man don't need him around anyhow!"
- Lynard Skynard
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
NINETY 3RD wrote in message
>All this the Royals are "Germans" talk is spurious, inaccurate,
unhistorical,
>biased, blinkered, and simple drivel.
Well, if this is the case, then pray tell us then the reason why the
original name of the family royale was suspiciously changed from Battenberg
to "Mountbatten" and then dropped altogether with the adoption of the
pseudonym of "Windsor" which ultimately replaced the rather tediously
hyphenated and purely Teutonic "Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenberg"? It would seem
that they is a bit more saurkraut in the Earl's sandwich than meets ye olde
English eyes.
Ed & JoyceThomas
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
> >Wrap your feeble wee mind around the fact that she was born in England,
> >prat.
>
> Okay, Cannuck, let's play what's my ethnicity. J.R.R. Tolkien, professor of
> English at Oxford University in the 1930's-60's was the well known author of
> the juvenile fantasy "The Hobbit", which was followed by the epic sequel
> "The Lord of the Rings", so what was Tolkien?:
>
> A. African
>
> B. English
>
> C. German
That's a stupid question. He was a Hobbit like you. GBG
Tiss
Ed & JoyceThomas
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
> Mark Ferguson wrote in message <3888A6...@whew.com>...
>
> >Too bad.... I gave you to much credit again. My one and only prejudice
> >is that of stupidity. I admit to it freely and without reservation. I
> >have provided you the needed information about DNA and how all humans
> >are one species and you cannot accept it. It is fact that all humans
> >originated from one place.
> >
> >Black skin is less likey to get skin cancer caused by the sun.
> >Caucasions are so because of less sunlight.
> >
> >This is the reason for the skin color changes.
>
> Wonderful. Now, having such an impressive knowledge of DNA and such matters,
> would you please explain to everyone which chromosome it is that is
> responsible for the white European peoples to have discovered the use of
> metalworking (first bronze, then iron), to have built such magnificent
> masterpieces of architecture as Notre Dame Cathedral, Westminster Abbey,
> Windsor Castle, and the like; to have produced artists such as Van Dyke,
> Rembrant, Raeburn, Landseer, to have produced inventors such as DaVenci,
> Edison, Bell, the Wright Bros., and yet all the while that these fantastic
> works were being wrought by the white European peoples, the black peoples of
> Africa had managed to only live in grass huts, wear bones in their noses,
> gourds on their penises, and plates in their lips, while we were busying
> ourselves with developing ever more efficient means of manufacturing and
> transportation,
BULLSHIT !!!! I really think you should spend some time reading Black history.
You would be in for a big surprise.
> and they were busy boiling missionaries in pots for their
> dinner. Perhaps, Prof. Ferguson, you can explain this apparent chromosomal
> anomaly?
That is comic book stuff.
> That is the way they want it. It is their culture. If you were as
> cosmopolitan as you claim, you would know that there are as many different
> cultures in this world as there are people.
>
> Tiss
>
Ed & JoyceThomas
ne...@jwo100.freeuk.com wrote:
> Herr Steven Akins of that Irk Fuhrer of Klan Akins predictably wrote:
>
> >Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenburg (alias \"Mountbatten-Windsor\") has a rather German >sound to me.
> >
> >Steven Akins of that Ilk
> >sja...@sonet.net
>
> Exactly what I expected you to say. How predictable. Not suprising though considering almost every message you post says exactly the same as thing as the ones before it, with only a slightly different word order.
>
> Run along now...
>
> James
> ---------
> Posted by jwo100 - 138.251.229.38 from www.freeuk.com
Who ever you are. We do not need you to continue this thread.
Tiss
NINETY 3RD
>> My point being that although Tolkien was born in South Africa, it did not
>> make him an African. Queen Elizabeth was born in England, but....., well,
>> you know what I'm getting at.
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
>I am a citizen of the United States of America, but I am not a "Native
American", as this appellation is usually applied to those who are more
generally referred to (quite incorrectly one might add) as "Indians", not to
be confused with the true Indians who, of course, are native to India.
Again, citizenship is one thing, but what we are genetically, ethnically, or
whatever you wish to call it, is quite another matter. >>
So by this non-logic (and referring again to a previous post of mine, which was
not-so-amazingly ignored...) it doesn't matter where Robert the Bruce was born
and he is a "Frog" since he had some Norman ancestors. No matter these
particular ancestors of his came to Britain from about 200 years prior (gee --
even less than the amount of time QEII's "German" ancestor George I came
over...). Or Wallace too for that matter is a froggie. Then so too are the
great "Scottish" royals James VI (who is also 1st of Britain) - dad was French,
Mary Queen 0f Scots - frenchie mom.
Charles (Stuart) I - mother was a Dane.
Charles II and brother James II had a frenchie mom.
Oh and THEN -- James V - mom was *English*! (oh horrors!). James II - ditto.
Alexander III - ditto (mom was daughter of the infamous King John no less).
William I - ditto. Alexander I & David I - ditto.
Once again I have to point out - that is the way noble and royal families
throughout history are. Get over it.
As for this typically pedantic and bombastic bit of pot stirring:
>>a Queen who sits on the throne of four
countries, who by right should sit on the throne of none, as it came to her
only through political skullduggery which ousted her uncle who would have
sat as king had he not valued his relationship with the woman he loved more
than Parliament valued its stodginess; a queen whose own son, the Prince of
Wales, has behaved in a far more uncouth manner than ever did Edward, not to
mention that the whole lot of them would never have been where they are
today had herr George das Hanover not been shoehorned into the British
throne.<<
This only shows the on-going masturbatory jollies derived by such tired and
pathetic attempts at causing ire on the boards. Any rational intelligent,
educated person will know that form the beginning of recorded history it is not
always the so-called next in line/first born who gets the job due to any number
of circumstances depending on the place and time. In Scotland itself, primo
geniture was not the law until Malcolm Ceanmor (raised in the English court
where primo geniture was practiced) invaded at the head of an English army and
ousted the legally elected Ard Righ (High King) MacBeth.
I have before pointed out how the island of Britain was (and still is) a
melting pot of many nationalities and cultures, even long before there was any
"England" or "Scotland" or "Wales".
All this the Royals are "Germans" talk is spurious, inaccurate, unhistorical,
biased, blinkered, and simple drivel.
Ed & JoyceThomas
Mark Ferguson wrote:
> Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
> >
> > Mark Ferguson wrote in message <3887CF...@whew.com>...
> > >Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Mark Ferguson wrote in message <3887C5...@whew.com>...
> > >> >Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Medieval historians recorded a tradition that the founder of Scotland's
> > >> monarchy was a Fergus who lived in Ireland about 300 B.C. Historical
> > >> research dating from the 13th century confirms that by 500 A.D. the Scots
> > >> under King Fergus Mor had left Northern Ireland and became established in
> > >> Dalriada, now Argyll. From Fergus Mor, with a few early exceptions,
> > descend
> > >> all subsequent kings and queens of the Scots, including the present Queen
> > of
> > >> Great Britain. St. Columba of Iona (6th century A.D.) was a scion of
> > Fergus
> > >> Mor's royal line.
> > >>
> > >> So, I guess we are cousins after all, some 100 generations removed, of
> > >> course.
> > >
> > >As is everybody. Learn that and I would be glad to call you kin.
> >
> > While it is one thing to talk of a familial connection some 1500 years ago
> > that may be traced through genealogical records, it is quite another thing
> > to speak of any sort of real relationship between persons whose ancestry
> > diverged way back in the Stone Age, thousands upon thousands of generations
> > ago. You are far more liberal than myself in your beliefs, as is your right;
> > but you must also respect my right to my beliefs as well. If you do not
> > respect my right to hold the beliefs that I choose, then you yourself are
> > the intollerant bigot which you espouse me to be.
>
> Too bad.... I gave you to much credit again. My one and only prejudice
> is that of stupidity. I admit to it freely and without reservation. I
> have provided you the needed information about DNA and how all humans
> are one species and you cannot accept it. It is fact that all humans
> originated from one place.
Agreed!!!
> Black skin is less likey to get skin cancer caused by the sun.
> Caucasions are so because of less sunlight.
And the fairer you are the more likely you are to get skin cancer. It is always
best for everyone to protect themselves from the sun. Black, White or any other
hue.is the
Tiss
>
>
>
Lesley Robertson
> Ah, I see, Professor, you are stumped again and have only your limp little
> insults to fling about like that wet noodle that you use as a brain. Odd
> that both the white race and the black race are supposed to have descended
> from the same genetic DNA, yet it is the white race that has accomplished
> every single significant work of art, science, discovery and technology,
and
> the black race has managed all that time to live in the same grass and mud
> huts, wearing the same loin-cloths that they were wearing millions of
years
> ago, without a single progressive accomplishment (apart from the art of
> shrinking heads and cannibal cuisine) until brought into contact with
white
> European culture. It just goes to prove the old cliché true: "so close,
and
> yet so far".
>
> Steven Akins of that Ilk
>
I see that the knowledge of genetics displayed by this writer is as accurate
as his knowledge of scottish history and culture. Human DNA is identical,
no matter what the ethnic origin. It's also less than 2% different from the
chimps. The idea that there is a gene for metal working, or computer use, or
anything else technological is as correct as the idea that the children of
someone who has had a leg amputated will all have one leg.
I must admit that it's quite amusing to see that Lamarck still has some
followers, mind you.
My sig file is normally turned off for non-professionally related
newsgroups, but I think that this is one occasion to switch it on, if only
to show that I do know what I'm talking about.
Lesley Robertson
Dr L.A.Robertson MSc CBiol FIBiol
Kluyver Laboratory for Biotechnology,
Delft University of Technology
The Netherlands.
Lesley Robertson
Ed & JoyceThomas <ejth...@i1.net> wrote in message
news:388BDB4C...@i1.net...
>
>
> Who ever you are. We do not need you to continue this thread.
>
> Tiss
>
Lesley Robertson
Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk
Ed & JoyceThomas wrote in message <388BE22C...@i1.net>...
Actually it's more like National Geographic stuff, as for a further
discussion of the disparity between the races, I would encourage you to read
the following taken from Kurt Saxon's thought-provoking essay on the
subject:
Chapter XI
THE NEW AMERICAN DILEMMA
"NEO-LYSENKOISTS HAVE BEEN REMARKABLY SUCCESS-
FUL in convincing the American public that there is
abundant scientific evidence in support of their
egalitarian bias, but in fact no hard data can be found in
psychometrics, craniometries, physical anthropology,
cultural anthropology, archaeology, African history, soci-
ology, or police statistics to justify their claims. Their
strategy seems essentially negative. All they can do is
aggressively discount the vast accumulation of evidence
suggestive of I.Q. differences by evoking the ever-useful
environmentalist argument that measurable differences
must necessarily be traced to environmental conditions
on the prima facie assumption that ALL IS OTHERWISE
EQUAL in the distribution of talent among the world's
population. Confronted with tomes of irrefutable data
about I.Q. differences, neo-Lysenkoists reply, "Granted,
but don't you see . . .", launching into their predictable
litany of environmentalist claims. Confronted with com-
parative crime and welfare rates or with Africa's extreme
primativism through the end of the nineteenth century and
with the total collapse of its democratic institutions today,
they once again reply, "Granted, but don't you see . . .",
and once again knee-jerk environmentalism lurches into
view. Confronted with measurable differences in brain
size, they must take a slightly different tack, as they do,
by denying the evidence, by denying the relevance of
cranial size to I.Q., by challenging the validity of I.Q.
scores, and only then by concluding, "After all, environ-
ment, don't you see . . .", once again invoking this hal-
lowed shibboleth to sanctify their predictable
evasiveness. However, the raw truth remains—they pos-
sess absolutely no credible evidence of their own that
holds up to empirical verification beyond their environ-
mentalist's faith that the universe itself shares our laud-
able egalitarian ideals by having created all races exactly
equal. This principle of absolute equality might not apply
to all individuals, mind you, but certainly, they argue, to
the normal-curve distribution for all races. Presumably,
there is genetic convergence toward perfect statistical
equality which is so powerful that bigger and more funda-
mental forces of environment—the thrust of almost fifty
thousand years' isolation in sub-Sahara Africa's tropical
climate—have borne no impact whatsoever on the intel-
lectual capacity of those whose ancestors endured such an
existence. This is the paradox we are expected to be-
lieve—an environmentalist rejection of environmental
impact except as the ongoing daily ordeal among certain
dispossessed minorities in the United States today. Envi-
ronmental stress can only be emphasized with the caveat
that it affords a clean slate (or zero-base origin) for each
individual at the moment of birth or conception. Let
blacks be provided the same social benefits, the argument
goes, and within not more than a couple of generations
most of them will o'erleap their oppressive legacy to be
fully competitive with the rest of us at calculus, on the
computer, and in the management of their daily affairs.
This we are supposed to believe despite the discouraging
evidence that little of the sort has happened yet either in
the United States or anywhere else—despite the testi-
mony of psychometricians, despite the measurements of
an inferior pre-frontal brain development, despite a prodi-
gious national investment which seems to have been
largely wasted in costly boondoggles over the past thirty
years.
A second and perhaps more attractive "liberal" as-
sumption would be that we have no absolute and irrefuta-
ble proof yet of black deficiency in intellectual capacity,
so it would be more in keeping with our Constitutional
and Judaeo-Christian ideals to assume potential equality
as the best way to encourage at least a narrowing of social
differences among the races. Even if genetic racial equal-
ity is only a myth, it can at least be defended as a "useful"
myth comparable to all the rest which help to give adhe-
sion to our social fabric. If cultural harmony depends
upon the general acceptance of a few benign fictions that
mesh truth and the desirable improvements we wish to
impose; why not add black equality to the brew as prob-
ably one of our very most important social imperatives in
need of this kind of reinforcement? Why embarrass one
of our minorities? Why not pretend equal potential in
order to produce at least a better and more equitable
distribution of our national income? Cannot we give cre-
dence to the benign fiction of perfect genetic uniformity
just to be able to maximize social justice throughout our
nation? When it comes to race relations, it seems as if the
capital-'T" truth might for once take a back seat to the
democratic values to which we all subscribe.
I can sympathize with this vision, and in fact I have
tried to abide by it throughout most of my educational
career. However, it strikes me as increasingly obvious
that the myth of black equality has become more destruc-
tive than other collective illusions, since a rigorous offi-
cial commitment to its validity has already produced con-
siderable social upheaval and can be expected to
accelerate this trend until our entire society is jeopar-
dized. It is one thing to dangle the American dream be-
fore the eyes of individuals who are incompetent to
achieve it even with the collaborative support of others,
but quite another to try to reorganize our society from top
to bottom in order to impose this impossible dream, and
then, when nothing seems to work, to compound disloca-
tions many times over again in the fruitless effort to rem-
edy previous failures. This strategy seems to have been
our national commitment since the mid-sixties, and its
fullest consequences are only beginning to be felt. Sev-
eral more decades of comparable effort, and we might no
longer be able to take for granted that luxury called de-
mocracy simply through having squandered our collec-
tive destiny in pursuit of an unachievable goal. Brain-
washed by liberal rhetoric, blacks are increasingly
dissatisfied with their circumstances, while whites have
learned to combine flight and hypocrisy in their effort to
cope with black demands. Our social fabric is visibly
declining in our cities, in our schools, and in the behav-
ioral disorientation of our children, and it can only be-
come even further damaged unless our national priorities
are put on a more realistic basis.
Most Americans seem willing to give blacks a some-
what bigger piece of the pie, but there is also the under-
standable concern that current patterns of social deteriora-
tion must be stopped. The condition to be observed in our
inner cities seems to be inexorably spreading into adjoin-
ing neighborhoods, into the suburbs, even into state and
national politics. Unless a basically different approach
can be found, modest black improvements will continue
to be overmatched by white sacrifice and a general sense
of malaise and collective impoverishment that we should
all be eager to prevent, blacks as well as whites. It is not
simply a matter of taking from one to give to the other.
More likely, a qualitative floor effect must be avoided at
the threshold of inefficiency beneath which everybody
loses. If low I.Q. continues to be imposed upon our soci-
ety by government edict, a certain percentage of our GNP
might still be diverted to those victimized by this particu-
lar affliction, but more important will be the general loss
for all concerned. We will eventually come up with less
to divide, and with an even greater sense of injustice
among both blacks and whites.
There are four general areas—education, employment,
crime, and welfare—in which the myth of black equality
has already borne obviously harmful results. Each of
these areas deserves a chapter of its own for demonstrat-
ing the cost to our society that has resulted from our
dedicated commitment to this myth."
Helen Ramsay
> >
> > Exactly what I expected you to say. How predictable. Not suprising
though considering almost every message you post says exactly the same as
thing as the ones before it, with only a slightly different word order.
> >
> > Run along now...
> >
> > James
> > ---------
> > Posted by jwo100 - 138.251.229.38 from www.freeuk.com
>
> Who ever you are.
This is your old friend James William Oliver from St. Andrews U.
> We do not need you to continue this thread.
Amen! I'm sick of preaching that particular gospel.
Cheers,
Helen