A question on which tartan I can wear...
D. Graham Cruickshank
Hi,
My last name is CRUICKSHANK, and depending on which book I look in, my
family is traced to STEWART or STEWART OF APPIN or some other STEWART.
For example, Robert Bain's book says STEWART and when I go to that
page, I see the ever so familiar Royal Stewart tartan. However, when
I talk to kiltmakers (or their reps), they get bent out shape when I
tell them that I want to price a kilt made from that tartan. Some
tell me that I *must* wear the Appin or other Stewart Tartan.
Most books refer Cruickshank to the Royal Stewart line. I would like
to be accurate when I buy my own kilt (for my wedding and other
functions) but I do not wish to not get Royal Stewart just because
some old guy gets bent out of shape.
So, I do not have a "thing" for wearing Royal Stewart, if I am not
entitled, but most books say I am. IS there someone who can explain
this to me? Is there a definitive source? What does your book say?
Please email and post your response. I really would appreciate it.
Thank You,
Graham
John J. Armstrong
In article <32B83C...@stm.tudelft.nl>,
Lesley Robertson <l.a.ro...@stm.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>Royal Stewart is a "general tartan" that can be worn by any subject of
>Queen Elizabeth.
This is of course perfectly true, and consequently it's a source of wonder
to me that so many people wear it. I mean, why on earth flaunt the fact
that your Q E's subject, for goodness sake?
>If you're really worried, pick an area tartan - Culloden
>is nice.
Wear anything, really, rather than Royal Stewart.
>Lesley Robertson
John J. Armstrong
Dundee
Scotland
"Indecision is the key to flexibility."
Douglas MacLeod
Lesley Robertson <l.a.ro...@stm.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>Royal Stewart is a "general tartan" that can be worn by any subject of
>Queen Elizabeth. If you're really worried, pick an area tartan - Culloden
>is nice.
>Lesley Robertson
I don't think it's proper to wear Royal Stewart unless you are
Royality, Iwould go for Appin. (But then, I've been known to be wrong)
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Loudon Briggs
dg...@ix.netcom.com (D. Graham Cruickshank) wrote:
>Hi,
>
>My last name is CRUICKSHANK, and depending on which book I look in, my
>family is traced to STEWART or STEWART OF APPIN or some other STEWART.
>
>For example, Robert Bain's book says STEWART and when I go to that
>page, I see the ever so familiar Royal Stewart tartan. However, when
>I talk to kiltmakers (or their reps), they get bent out shape when I
>tell them that I want to price a kilt made from that tartan. Some
>tell me that I *must* wear the Appin or other Stewart Tartan.
>
>Most books refer Cruickshank to the Royal Stewart line. I would like
>to be accurate when I buy my own kilt (for my wedding and other
>functions) but I do not wish to not get Royal Stewart just because
>some old guy gets bent out of shape.
>
>So, I do not have a "thing" for wearing Royal Stewart, if I am not
>entitled, but most books say I am. IS there someone who can explain
>this to me? Is there a definitive source? What does your book say?
>
>Please email and post your response. I really would appreciate it.
>
>Thank You,
>
>Graham
Just to add to the confusion, both of my references indicate that
Cruickshank or Crookshank is a sept of Stewart of Garth, but when I
look for info on that clan, none is to be found in either reference.
Neither do I find any tartan for that particular clan. Perhaps
someelse can shed some light on the subject.
--
Loudon Briggs (lar...@indirect.com Phoenix, Arizona, USA)
Lesley Robertson
D. Graham Cruickshank wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My last name is CRUICKSHANK, and depending on which book I look in, my
> family is traced to STEWART or STEWART OF APPIN or some other STEWART.
>
> For example, Robert Bain's book says STEWART and when I go to that
> page, I see the ever so familiar Royal Stewart tartan. However, when
> I talk to kiltmakers (or their reps), they get bent out shape when I
> tell them that I want to price a kilt made from that tartan. Some
> tell me that I *must* wear the Appin or other Stewart Tartan.
>
> Most books refer Cruickshank to the Royal Stewart line. I would like
> to be accurate when I buy my own kilt (for my wedding and other
> functions) but I do not wish to not get Royal Stewart just because
> some old guy gets bent out of shape.
>
> So, I do not have a "thing" for wearing Royal Stewart, if I am not
> entitled, but most books say I am. IS there someone who can explain
> this to me? Is there a definitive source? What does your book say?
>
> Please email and post your response. I really would appreciate it.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Graham
Melvin Tays
Take a look at the www sight and you will find the answer to your problem.
http://www.phoenix.net/~metays/scot.html
D. Graham Cruickshank <dg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<32b78536...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
Lesley Robertson
John J. Armstrong wrote:
>
> In article <32B83C...@stm.tudelft.nl>,
> Lesley Robertson <l.a.ro...@stm.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>
> >Queen Elizabeth.
>
> to me that so many people wear it. I mean, why on earth flaunt the fact
> that your Q E's subject, for goodness sake?
relations, it could be a wonderful way of collecting sympathy!
Lesley Robertson
lolo
dg...@ix.netcom.com (D. Graham Cruickshank) writes: > Hi,
>
> My last name is CRUICKSHANK, and depending on which book I look in, my
> family is traced to STEWART or STEWART OF APPIN or some other STEWART.
>
> For example, Robert Bain's book says STEWART and when I go to that
> page, I see the ever so familiar Royal Stewart tartan. However, when
> I talk to kiltmakers (or their reps), they get bent out shape when I
> tell them that I want to price a kilt made from that tartan. Some
> tell me that I *must* wear the Appin or other Stewart Tartan.
>
> Most books refer Cruickshank to the Royal Stewart line. I would like
> to be accurate when I buy my own kilt (for my wedding and other
> functions) but I do not wish to not get Royal Stewart just because
> some old guy gets bent out of shape.
>
> So, I do not have a "thing" for wearing Royal Stewart, if I am not
> entitled, but most books say I am. IS there someone who can explain
> this to me? Is there a definitive source? What does your book say?
>
> Please email and post your response. I really would appreciate it.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Graham
Since Scotland is a part of the democratic of the world, I would suggest that you ware any Tartan you like.
I do... and I am not even Scottish.
Ta(r)ta(n)
Marc
Richard Morrison
lolo wrote:
>>previous quotes snipped
> Since Scotland is a part of the democratic of the world, I would suggest that you ware any Tartan you like.
> I do... and I am not even Scottish.
> Ta(r)ta(n)
>
> Marc
Perhaps not being Scottish explains it. But since wearing a tartan
proclaims to the world your family lineage & heritage, do you also feel
free to change your last name whenever the urge strikes you? And having
so easily disavowed your true family, what makes you think that the clan
whose tartan you usurp is eager to claim alliance with you?
Richard Morrison
Lesley Robertson
Douglas MacLeod wrote:
>
> Lesley Robertson <l.a.ro...@stm.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>
> >D. Graham Cruickshank wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> My last name is CRUICKSHANK, and depending on which book I look in, my
> >> family is traced to STEWART or STEWART OF APPIN or some other STEWART.
> >>
> >> For example, Robert Bain's book says STEWART and when I go to that
> >> page, I see the ever so familiar Royal Stewart tartan. However, when
> >> I talk to kiltmakers (or their reps), they get bent out shape when I
> >> tell them that I want to price a kilt made from that tartan. Some
> >> tell me that I *must* wear the Appin or other Stewart Tartan.
> >>
> >> Most books refer Cruickshank to the Royal Stewart line. I would like
> >> to be accurate when I buy my own kilt (for my wedding and other
> >> functions) but I do not wish to not get Royal Stewart just because
> >> some old guy gets bent out of shape.
> >>
> >> So, I do not have a "thing" for wearing Royal Stewart, if I am not
> >> entitled, but most books say I am. IS there someone who can explain
> >> this to me? Is there a definitive source? What does your book say?
> >>
> >> Please email and post your response. I really would appreciate it.
> >>
> >> Thank You,
> >>
> >> Graham
>
> >is nice.
> >Lesley Robertson
>
>
> Royality, Iwould go for Appin. (But then, I've been known to be wrong)
The royals don't wear Royal Stewart - they've got their own tartans.
Lesley Robertson
Chris Dauten & Michelle Reeder-Dauten
> >Royal Stewart is a "general tartan" that can be worn by any subject of
> >Queen Elizabeth. If you're really worried, pick an area tartan - > >Culloden is nice.
> >Lesley Robertson
>
>
> I don't think it's proper to wear Royal Stewart unless you are
> Royality, Iwould go for Appin. (But then, I've been known to be wrong)
>The royals don't wear Royal Stewart - they've got their own tartans.
>Lesley Robertson
Nor are they Stewarts - the "proper" tartan for a non-royal Stewart is
the tartan known as "Stewart Old", sometimes called "Clan Stewart." The
Stewart tartan that is a "general" tartan to be worn by anyone is the
HUNTING Stewart. See Philip Smith's TARTAN FOR ME, page 7.
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Stuart Hutton wrote:
>
> What is a Haggis ?
>
> A haggis is a small animal native to Scotland. Well when I say
animal,
> actually it's a bird with vestigial wings - like the ostrich.
Because
> the habitat of the haggis in exclusively mountainous, and because
it
> is always found on the sides of Scottish mountains, it has evolved
a
> rather strange gait. The poor thing has only three legs, and each
leg
> is a different length - the result of this is that when hunting
> haggis, you must get them on to a flat plain - then they are very
easy
> to catch - they can only run round in circles.
>
Us kilt wearin' Texans call them snipes ... And every males right of
passage includes the "Snipe Hunt" ...
Jay A. Nellis
Gary,
Now don't mislead people by implying that snipes are indigenous to Texas.
They are hunted throughout the U.S.
--
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Rockford, IL USA
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deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
Donald and Melissa Hellen
Gary Little <gli...@inland.net> wrote:
>Stuart Hutton wrote:
>>
>> What is a Haggis ?
>>
>> A haggis is a small animal native to Scotland. Well when I say
>animal,
>> actually it's a bird with vestigial wings - like the ostrich.
>Because
>> the habitat of the haggis in exclusively mountainous, and because
>it
>> is always found on the sides of Scottish mountains, it has evolved
>a
>> rather strange gait. The poor thing has only three legs, and each
>leg
>> is a different length - the result of this is that when hunting
>> haggis, you must get them on to a flat plain - then they are very
>easy
>> to catch - they can only run round in circles.
>>
>
>Us kilt wearin' Texans call them snipes ... And every males right of
>passage includes the "Snipe Hunt" ...
Naw Man! Haggis is a wee hairy MAMMAL.( Don't you listen to them daft
buggers talkin' snipe hunts and birds and what not.) It's four-legged,
but runs about on two, has nasty antlerets, and subsists entirely on
old porridge and onions.
And every couple of years (when the population gets so dense they
start breaking into homes and mugginghonest folk over breakfast an'
making off wi' their porridge,) they all seem to go a bit mad, start
massing together and moving in the general direction of Stonehaven,
where the ancestral breeding grounds are. When they reach Dunnotar
they hurtle themselves off the cliffs and into the ocean below with
tiny little piping calls --the exact nature of which escapes me at
the moment (but I'm sure some true-blue Scotsman can supply it) and
are never seen again.
As God is my witness.
MH
Darkkisses
TahStuart Hutton wrote:
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>
> About the Clan
>
> The Clan Anderson Society was formed many years ago to promote and to
> share the pride and kinship of Anderson ancestry. Membership is open
> to anyone who is interested in the Anderson name. The Society has over
> 500 members worldwide and growing every year. Won't you join us. A
> list of e-mail addresses can be found on this page. The Society
> regularly attends Scottish Highland games and Scottish Festivals
> throughout the United States. Clan Society sponsored tents provide
> Gathering places for all Andersons. A listing of these events and
> sponsors can be found below on this home page. The Society publishes a
> quarterly news letter, "Stand Sure" for members. Each publication
> carries a genealogical column, and general news about Anderson
> history, members of the Society, and other interests. The Society
> archives genealogies of members of the Society. The Clan genealogist
> is available to answer questions and direct you in researching your
> Anderson or Scottish heritage! Return to Menu
>
> Anderson Tartan
>
>
> The Anderson Tartan is unique among all of the Scottish tartans. This
> is because it is the only tartan to have seven colors. All other
> tartans have six or less. Because of this, the Anderson tartan must be
> woven on a special loom. The colors are primarily a rich blue with
> yellow, green and red in the plaid. Three variations exist: The
> Ancient colors which are derived from the color scheme set mostly by
> natural old world style dyes, The Modern colors, shown above, and
> derived from the use of modern chemical dyes and the Muted colors
> which simulate a " weathered " tartan. The Royal Canadian Air Force
> tartan, which has only five colors, is an officially registered
> variant of the Clan Anderson tartan. From a distance it is difficult
> to distinguish between the two.
>
> For weavers and others interested in the thread count of the Anderson
> Tartan: Thread Count
>
> Return to Menu
>
> Clan Anderson Crest
>
>
> The Clan Crest is an oak tree encircled by a strap and buckle, and it
~~~Darkkisses~~~
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John G. Fraser
Donald and Melissa Hellen wrote:
>
> Gary Little <gli...@inland.net> wrote:
>
> >Stuart Hutton wrote:
> >>
> >> What is a Haggis ?
> >>
>
> >>
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> >
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> >Actually you are all wrong. The Haggis defies description. Only
> a sheep can identify it for sure.
JF
BlackCat
> >> What is a Haggis ?
> >>
If I'm not mistaken, they are closely related to felafels . Which are,
contary to popular belief, small rodents. Felafels are shaped much like
a kangaroo rat: large feet, long tufted tail, large ears, etc.. The
lesser banded felafel (vegitarius nibbilus) is the most common
sub-species in North America introduced fairly recently from the middle
east, it often falls victim to mis-informed vegetarians.
The haggis (nauseus scotia) is a cousin of the felafel, known to only
be native to Scotland. It is a squat, short-furred rodent, similar to a
muskrat or marmot.
Hope this helps ;-)
--Christopher
Andrew Schattenkirk
In article <5a1iqn$g...@dublin.bitwise.net>,
"jfra...@capecod.net"@dns.capecod.net says...
>
>Donald and Melissa Hellen wrote:
>>
>> Gary Little <gli...@inland.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Stuart Hutton wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >Actually you are all wrong. The Haggis defies description. Only
>> a sheep can identify it for sure.
>
> JF
inards> stuffing it in to the stomach and cooking it. YUMMY
BRENDA CAVILEER
When Layla saw Donald And Melissa Hellen talking about Re: What is a haggis, she HAD
to go there...
DAMH> Naw Man! Haggis is a wee hairy MAMMAL.( Don't you listen to them daft
DAMH> buggers talkin' snipe hunts and birds and what not.) It's four-legged,
DAMH> but runs about on two, has nasty antlerets, and subsists entirely on
DAMH> old porridge and onions.
DAMH> And every couple of years (when the population gets so dense they
DAMH> start breaking into homes and mugginghonest folk over breakfast an'
DAMH> making off wi' their porridge,) they all seem to go a bit mad, start
DAMH> massing together and moving in the general direction of Stonehaven,
DAMH> where the ancestral breeding grounds are. When they reach Dunnotar
DAMH> they hurtle themselves off the cliffs and into the ocean below with
DAMH> tiny little piping calls --the exact nature of which escapes me at
DAMH> the moment (but I'm sure some true-blue Scotsman can supply it) and
DAMH> are never seen again.
No, no, no... those are Lemmings! LOL
... I don't care if I am a lemming. I'm NOT going!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]
Stuart Hutton
http://alpha.wcoil.com/~highlandr/index.html , it's a great sight for
Scottish clans and other related things if anyone wants to take a look.
Jo...@skipandtrace.com
Haggis is basically a meal that is prepared in a sheeps stomach -
the stomach is boiled in water and the contents includes oats and other
stuff. The winner of the Augusta, Ga. National golf tournament puts on
the winners jacket/blazer and sits down to a meal of HAGGIS. I don`t
know if he eats it. It`s traditional fare in Alba, Alba being Scottish
-Celtic Gaelic for what we call Scotland.
Scott A. Munro
>> >> What is a Haggis ?
Actually, haggis is a joke invented by bored
Scots. They take the leftover parts of sheep,
grind them up and stuff them in the stomach,
boil it for about three days, and sell it
to tourists and tell them it's _food_.
Some people have actually been known to fall
for it.
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Scott A. Munro <smu...@nextdim.com> wrote in article
<32c84...@205.235.135.3>...
> >> >> What is a Haggis ?
>
> to tourists and tell them it's _food_.
>
> Some people have actually been known to fall
> for it.
Sounds alot like the south's scrapple, except it is made with hog instead
of sheep. It is quite tasty chilled, then cut and fried.
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