Debnam
Zephy
similar.
My grandmother moved here from Scotland, her maiden name was Debnam,
she even gave that name for middle names to her two sons, one of which
is my father :)
Grace Debnam (I assume that's her maiden name)
I've looked over the web and various articles but have yet to come up
with a name of Debnam in anything (though I have seen it but not
associated with any clans or Scots)
Trying to trace my geneology, but first like a bit of background on
the name. I noticed that Scots at one point didn't use surnames
(though they way they named themselves seems daunting to me at this
point, still studying how it was done)
Thanks ahead for any information that can be given.
Lesley Robertson
"Zephy" <ze...@vci.net> wrote in message
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> I'm looking for information to either a clan Debnam or something
> similar.
>
clan affiliations - and of course this is not true. Only about half of the
traditional Surnames of Scotland have authentic links to the clans (although
in recent yers this has been vastly increased by Queen Victoria making all
things scottish fashionable, and then the tartan industry wanting to expland
their sales.
> My grandmother moved here from Scotland, her maiden name was Debnam,
> she even gave that name for middle names to her two sons, one of which
> is my father :)
> Grace Debnam (I assume that's her maiden name)
> I've looked over the web and various articles but have yet to come up
> with a name of Debnam in anything (though I have seen it but not
> associated with any clans or Scots)
There is a book called "Surnames of Scotland" by Black. You could check in
there for the origins of the name. However, do remember that even though
there isn't a clan link, that does not make the family any less scottish.
> Trying to trace my geneology, but first like a bit of background on
> the name.
Don't confuse genealogy and clan histories. Take a look at the beginner's
guide on Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for a guide on how to do UK-based
genealogy - but remember that the scottish system is different than that of
England/Wales, so make sure you look at the right bits.
Lesley Robertson
Sean MacUisdin
>
> I'm looking for information to either a clan Debnam or something
> similar.
>
> My grandmother moved here from Scotland, her maiden name was Debnam,
> she even gave that name for middle names to her two sons, one of which
> is my father :)
>
> Grace Debnam (I assume that's her maiden name)
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Zephy
<l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>
>"Zephy" <ze...@vci.net> wrote in message
>news:lj75fts8gd1ljemee...@4ax.com...
>> I'm looking for information to either a clan Debnam or something
>> similar.
>>
>You have fallen into the trap of thinking that all scottish srnames have
>clan affiliations - and of course this is not true. Only about half of the
>traditional Surnames of Scotland have authentic links to the clans (although
>in recent yers this has been vastly increased by Queen Victoria making all
>things scottish fashionable, and then the tartan industry wanting to expland
>their sales.
>
Actually there is a reason I think that, my aunt returned to scotland
and mentioned it, after a trip there. Now, my recollection could be
wrong, but I doubt it or her interpertation can be, or both :)
I sort of doubting now, that there is a clan associated with the name.
I haven't found any reference to any such thing.
>There is a book called "Surnames of Scotland" by Black. You could check in
>there for the origins of the name. However, do remember that even though
>there isn't a clan link, that does not make the family any less scottish.
>
>Don't confuse genealogy and clan histories. Take a look at the beginner's
>guide on Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for a guide on how to do UK-based
>genealogy - but remember that the scottish system is different than that of
>England/Wales, so make sure you look at the right bits.
>Lesley Robertson
>
>
Oh yeah, thanks :)
Jackie
Helen Ramsay
> I'm looking for information to either a clan Debnam or something
> similar.
It isn't in Black's "The Surnames of Scotland" so I would suspect that it
may be English.
Have you tried this site? You may have more luck there.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/debnam/
Cheers,
Helen
connochies
Helen Ramsay <hel...@western.wave.ca> wrote in message
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> "Zephy" <ze...@vci.net> wrote
> > I'm looking for information to either a clan Debnam or something
> > similar.
>
> It isn't in Black's "The Surnames of Scotland" so I would suspect that it
> may be English.
Sounds a bit like Debenham to me. There is a village in Suffolk with this
name.
Allan
Helen Ramsay
"connochies" <co...@conno.greatxscape.net> wrote
> > "Zephy" <ze...@vci.net> wrote
> > > I'm looking for information to either a clan Debnam or something
> > > similar.
> >
> > It isn't in Black's "The Surnames of Scotland" so I would suspect that
it
> > may be English.
>
> Sounds a bit like Debenham to me. There is a village in Suffolk with
this
> name.
The Genuform link that I gave her below mentions Debenham as well as
the plurals of both names Allan,
Cheers,
Helen
Zephy
<hel...@western.wave.ca> wrote:
>http://genforum.genealogy.com/debnam/
>
Thanks, No I haven't but will look.
I'm pretty sure she was scottish, she use to boast about it often,
died when I was 14 so I remember her well.
connochies
>
> "connochies" <co...@conno.greatxscape.net> wrote
> >
> > Helen Ramsay <hel...@western.wave.ca> wrote in message
>
> > > "Zephy" <ze...@vci.net> wrote
> > > > I'm looking for information to either a clan Debnam or something
> > > > similar.
> > >
> > > It isn't in Black's "The Surnames of Scotland" so I would suspect that
> it
> > > may be English.
> >
> > Sounds a bit like Debenham to me. There is a village in Suffolk with
> this
> > name.
>
> The Genuform link that I gave her below mentions Debenham as well as
> the plurals of both names Allan,
Debenham is a beautiful village. We always holiday once a year in the
Norfolk city of Norwich, which is my wife's home town, and we pass through
Debenham on the way down to her brother's place near Woodbridge in Suffolk.
Of course even if that is where the Debnam name came from it wouldn't make
Zephy's Scottish heritage any less. It only means she maybe has an ancestor
who had some English heritage too. During the Industrial revolution people
flocked into Scotland's cities from the Borders, the rural Lowlands, the
Highlands, and Ireland - but also some came from England too. We are a real
hotch-potch.
cheers
Allan
Helen Ramsay
"Zephy" <ze...@vci.net> wrote
I don't doubt for one minute that she was Scottish. It's just that
she happened to have an English name so you probably have
an Englishman lurking in your family tree ;-)
Cheers,
Helen
Helen Ramsay
>
> Helen Ramsay <hel...@western.wave.ca> wrote in message
> > The Genuform link that I gave her below mentions Debenham as well as
> > the plurals of both names Allan,
>
> Debenham is a beautiful village. We always holiday once a year in the
> Norfolk city of Norwich, which is my wife's home town, and we pass
through
> Debenham on the way down to her brother's place near Woodbridge in
Suffolk.
> Of course even if that is where the Debnam name came from it wouldn't
make
> Zephy's Scottish heritage any less. It only means she maybe has an
ancestor
> who had some English heritage too. During the Industrial revolution
people
> flocked into Scotland's cities from the Borders, the rural Lowlands, the
> Highlands, and Ireland - but also some came from England too. We are a
real
> hotch-potch.
Aye, haggis richt aneuch!
Cheers,
Helen
Lesley Robertson
I don't think that anyone's suggested that she wasn't scottish - only that
the name didn't originate in Scotland. It could have come north at any point
in several hundred years. Interestingly, a search on the name on the IGI
only turns up 4 individuals - 3 in Edinburgh and one in Paisley, 3 in the
19th century and 1 in the 18th, which suggests that they arrived within a
few generations.
Lesley Robertson
Zephy
<hel...@western.wave.ca> wrote:
>
>"Zephy" <ze...@vci.net> wrote
>> On Fri, 04 May 2001 17:29:33 GMT, "Helen Ramsay"
>> <hel...@western.wave.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >http://genforum.genealogy.com/debnam/
>> >
>>
>> Thanks, No I haven't but will look.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure she was scottish, she use to boast about it often,
>> died when I was 14 so I remember her well.
>
>I don't doubt for one minute that she was Scottish. It's just that
>she happened to have an English name so you probably have
>an Englishman lurking in your family tree ;-)
>
Strange she never mentioned it, seemed biased against, but then maybe
reason why :)
Jackie
Zephy
<l.a.ro...@stm.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>>
>
>I don't think that anyone's suggested that she wasn't scottish - only that
>the name didn't originate in Scotland. It could have come north at any point
>in several hundred years. Interestingly, a search on the name on the IGI
>only turns up 4 individuals - 3 in Edinburgh and one in Paisley, 3 in the
>19th century and 1 in the 18th, which suggests that they arrived within a
>few generations.
>Lesley Robertson
>
>
Thanks everyone for your help, helped too narrow it down some :)
Anne Burgess
> the name didn't originate in Scotland. It could have come north at any
point
> in several hundred years. Interestingly, a search on the name on the IGI
> only turns up 4 individuals - 3 in Edinburgh and one in Paisley, 3 in the
> 19th century and 1 in the 18th, which suggests that they arrived within a
> few generations.
> Lesley Robertson
There are none in the CD-ROM version of the 1881 Census in the southern half
of Scotland. Not even any Debenhams!
Anne B
Zephy
Thanks a bunch..
Jackie
Tiss
Tiss
Sean MacUisdin
>
> Hi Sean.
>
> Tiss
Hiya, Tiss! Long time no type...