Westwater tartan?
Debbie White
came over from Scotland when he was a child. My grandfather visited
Scotland about fifteen years ago and found many Westwaters, however he was
unable to find the Westwater tartan and clan information while he was there.
I'd like to find this information out for him as a surprise..and I'd like to
know, myself! Can anyone help me with this?
I know I have about 1/16th Scot blood on my other parent's side, as well,
but I don't know the last name that goes with it. I'll probably look into
that one as well once I'd tracked down the Westwater info.
Thanks for all your help,
--Debbie White
granddaughter of a Westwater
Kiltie8703
>From: "Debbie White" ws...@pdnt.com
>Date: Thu, 29 July 1999 12:37 AM EDT
>Message-id: <gTQn3.18$IP3....@sol.pdnt.net>
Hi Debbie, Kiltie here. Scots Kith & Kin show the name Westwater to be a West
Fife name dating from the 16th C.. There is no Clan info shown. George Black in
his "Surnames of Scotland" states that the name is probably of local origin
from a small place in the West of Fife. The place name may now be extinct.He
shows that a John Westwater, friar of Culross in 1565, appears again in 1569 as
John Vestuatter, friar and notary of the monastery of Culross, and is doubtless
the John Vostuatter, clerk of the Diocese of St. Andrew in 1577. Andrew
Westwater is recorded in Dumfermline in 1584. William Westwater in Erniesyde in
the Parish of Glendovan in 1617, and Robert Westwater in Over Mosvde in 1620.
Cristian Westwater was on the stool of repentance in Kirkcaldy in 1640 and May
Westwood recorded in the Parish of Torphichen in 1680. Alexander MacDonald
Westwater, was a Church of Scotland missionary in Manchuria, and died in 1934.
Another spelling in 1587 was Wastwater.
The website for Tartans of Scotland, where you can also check the register of
all the Tartans is:
http://www.tartans.scotland.net/Docs/tartan_index.htm
I could find no Family Tartan for Westwater, but the name is from Fife, and
there is a District Tartan and a Duke of Fife Tartan. Bye for now & Good
hunting, Kilti...@AOL.com
Robert McKay
>From: "Debbie White" ws...@pdnt.com
>Date: Thu, 29 July 1999 12:37 AM EDT
>My grandfather's last name is Westwater. His father (my great grandfather)
>came over from Scotland when he was a child. My grandfather visited
>Scotland about fifteen years ago and found many Westwaters, however he was
>unable to find the Westwater tartan and clan information while he was there.
>I'd like to find this information out for him as a surprise..and I'd like to
>know, myself! Can anyone help me with this?
There may not be a Westwater clan. The clans were a Highland culture, and in
the Lowlands people didn't have clans (there are exceptions of course - for
instance, someone might move from the Highlands to the Lowlands). But if the
Westwaters are a Lowland family, then they wouldn't be a clan and quite
possibily wouldn't have a tartan.
Robert McKay/Raibeart MacAoidh
AOL - Goffs California
E-mail - goffsca...@aol.com
"Rule Six: There is no rule six."
David Thorpe
Debbie White wrote in message ...
>My grandfather's last name is Westwater. His father (my great grandfather)
>came over from Scotland when he was a child. My grandfather visited
>Scotland about fifteen years ago and found many Westwaters, however he was
>unable to find the Westwater tartan and clan information while he was
there.
>I'd like to find this information out for him as a surprise..and I'd like
to
>know, myself! Can anyone help me with this?
>
>but I don't know the last name that goes with it. I'll probably look into
>that one as well once I'd tracked down the Westwater info.
>
name. That's not to say that it isn't found in Scotland - Collins Scots
Kith and Kin says that it was first recorded in Fife in the 16th century
and, indeed, there are currently some 55 Westwaters in the Fife telephone
directory. Fife is of course a lowland county, albeit one with a very proud
tradition - it's often known as The Kingdom of Fife and could lay claim to
once having been the most important county in the nation. (Fifers would say
it still is). One of the county's football (soccer) teams, Dunfermline
Athletic, has a goalkeeper called Ian Westwater, but he happens to be
English! Certainly there's no Westwater clan, but that doesn't make your
ancestry any less Scottish - the clans were largely a highland phenomenon
and out of some 16000 Scottish surnames less than 3000 are of highland
origin and associated with clans. Tartan? Someone may well have invented a
Westwater tartan (no disgrace in that, most clan tartans were invented) and
I suggest you check out the tartan sites.
David
Lesley Robertson
Robert McKay <goffsca...@aol.com.ImRB> wrote in message
news:19990729131737...@ng-ch1.aol.com...
> There may not be a Westwater clan. The clans were a Highland culture, and
in
> the Lowlands people didn't have clans (there are exceptions of course -
for
> instance, someone might move from the Highlands to the Lowlands). But if
the
> Westwaters are a Lowland family, then they wouldn't be a clan and quite
> possibily wouldn't have a tartan.
All true - less than half the surnames of Scotland have authentic links to
clans. However, there are some nice regional tartans around - and I seem to
remember seeing one for Fife. I'd be amazed if there wasn't one. All is not
lost.
lesley Robertson
Robert McKay
>From: "Lesley Robertson" l.a.ro...@stm.tudelft.nl
>Date: Fri, 30 July 1999 04:46 AM EDT
>All true - less than half the surnames of Scotland have authentic links to
>clans. However, there are some nice regional tartans around - and I seem to
>remember seeing one for Fife. I'd be amazed if there wasn't one. All is not
>lost.
It turns out there's even a clergy tartan, so I'm covered even if it had turned
out I wasn't descended from a genuine clan.<g>
Mhic-Ghille-Mhuire
In article <Yn0o3.1938$lp.36434@stones>, "David wrote:
> Tartan? Someone may well have invented a
>Westwater tartan (no disgrace in that, most clan tartans were invented)
>and
>I suggest you check out the tartan sites.
>
>David
>
Most? I'd think ALL were invented at some time or another. Or in ancient
times were there tartan sheep? Or a tartan bush growing in the wild? :-)
Dillard Gilmore (Mhic-Ghille-Mhuire)
Ed & Joyce Thomas
> Robert McKay <goffsca...@aol.com.ImRB> wrote in message
> news:19990729131737...@ng-ch1.aol.com...
>
> > There may not be a Westwater clan. The clans were a Highland culture, and
> in
> > the Lowlands people didn't have clans (there are exceptions of course -
> for
> > instance, someone might move from the Highlands to the Lowlands). But if
> the
> > Westwaters are a Lowland family, then they wouldn't be a clan and quite
> > possibily wouldn't have a tartan.
>
> All true - less than half the surnames of Scotland have authentic links to
> clans. However, there are some nice regional tartans around - and I seem to
> remember seeing one for Fife. I'd be amazed if there wasn't one. All is not
> lost.
> lesley Robertson
I think what Lesley and many other Scots have tried to explain to us Americans,
is excellently described in the following web site. It is entitled "Tartans of
Scotland" and claims to have every Tartan known. It has many subtitles that
explain just about everything you want to know about Tartans, even how to
design your own.
After getting on to the site, click on "Types of Tartan" and it tells how the
Tartan is derived and the regional, district, militar, corporate etc Tartans.
I keep it bookmarked for when ever I have a question.
Tiss
http://www.tartans.scotland.net/Docs/tartan_types_introduction.html
Tiss
Lesley Robertson
Mhic-Ghille-Mhuire wrote in message
<19990730142802...@ngol02.aol.com>...
>>David
>>
>Most? I'd think ALL were invented at some time or another. Or in ancient
>times were there tartan sheep? Or a tartan bush growing in the wild? :-)
>
>Dillard Gilmore (Mhic-Ghille-Mhuire)
Why do you think that the true wild haggis is rare these days? It's the
tartan industry trying to keep the tourists happy!
;>
Lesley Robertson
Bryn Fraser
<l.a.ro...@stm.tudelft.nl> writes
>
>Mhic-Ghille-Mhuire wrote in message
><19990730142802...@ngol02.aol.com>...
>>>David
>>>
>>Most? I'd think ALL were invented at some time or another. Or in ancient
>>times were there tartan sheep? Or a tartan bush growing in the wild? :-)
>>
>>Dillard Gilmore (Mhic-Ghille-Mhuire)
>
>Why do you think that the true wild haggis is rare these days?
Fear not I hear a rumour that they are being bred in captivity with the
intention of releasing them in the wild...
How long before we hear reports of attacks on tourists...
>It's the
>tartan industry trying to keep the tourists happy!
>;>
>Lesley Robertson
>
>
>
Bryn Fraser
Tha na caileagan fo mhulad......
THreeBoaRS
>In article <7nue2r$ofp$1...@news.tudelft.nl>, Lesley Robertson
><l.a.ro...@stm.tudelft.nl> writes
>>
>>Mhic-Ghille-Mhuire wrote in message
>><19990730142802...@ngol02.aol.com>...
>>>>David
>>>>
>>>Most? I'd think ALL were invented at some time or another. Or in ancient
>>>times were there tartan sheep? Or a tartan bush growing in the wild? :-)
>>>
>>>Dillard Gilmore (Mhic-Ghille-Mhuire)
>>
>>Why do you think that the true wild haggis is rare these days?
>
>Fear not I hear a rumour that they are being bred in captivity with the
>intention of releasing them in the wild...
>
>How long before we hear reports of attacks on tourists...
Good Heavens!! Captive bred haggis running wild through the High- and Lowlands
of beloved Scotland??? Oh, the humanity! Death and destruction awaits all who
would dare venture near! Nay, we cannot allow this!! Think of the Bothwell
Ramblers!! We must take action at once! The populace must be armed to protect
themselves! A fork on every belt!
-------------------
"The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit."
- W. Somerset Maugham
Lesley Robertson
THreeBoaRS wrote in message
<19990801004456...@ng-fj1.aol.com>...
And a piper behind every rock!
Mind you, it's good news for the haggis birds - they didn't adapt too well
to alternatives such as sheep, hares and Munro baggers in heavy fleece
jackets.
Lesley Robertson
Robert McKay
>From: three...@aol.comSPAMTHIS (THreeBoaRS)
>Date: Sun, 01 August 1999 12:44 AM EDT
>Good Heavens!! Captive bred haggis running wild through the High- and
>Lowlands
>of beloved Scotland??? Oh, the humanity! Death and destruction awaits all who
>would dare venture near! Nay, we cannot allow this!! Think of the Bothwell
>Ramblers!! We must take action at once! The populace must be armed to
>protect
>themselves! A fork on every belt!
Ah niver can find mah sgian dubh when Ah maist need it...
Robert McKay/Raibeart MacAoidh
AOL - Goffs California
E-mail - goffsca...@aol.com
. . . to seek out new life and new civilizations . . .
Ed & Joyce Thomas
> >Bryn Fraser br...@finhall.demon.co.uk wrote on 7/31/99:
>
> >In article <7nue2r$ofp$1...@news.tudelft.nl>, Lesley Robertson
> ><l.a.ro...@stm.tudelft.nl> writes
> >>
> >>Mhic-Ghille-Mhuire wrote in message
> >><19990730142802...@ngol02.aol.com>...
> >>>>David
> >>>>
> >>>Most? I'd think ALL were invented at some time or another. Or in ancient
> >>>times were there tartan sheep? Or a tartan bush growing in the wild? :-)
> >>>
> >>>Dillard Gilmore (Mhic-Ghille-Mhuire)
> >>
> >>Why do you think that the true wild haggis is rare these days?
> >
> >Fear not I hear a rumour that they are being bred in captivity with the
> >intention of releasing them in the wild...
> >
> >How long before we hear reports of attacks on tourists...
>
> Good Heavens!! Captive bred haggis running wild through the High- and Lowlands
> of beloved Scotland??? Oh, the humanity! Death and destruction awaits all who
> would dare venture near! Nay, we cannot allow this!! Think of the Bothwell
> Ramblers!! We must take action at once! The populace must be armed to protect
> themselves! A fork on every belt!
>
> -------------------
> "The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit."
> - W. Somerset Maugham
I'm with you! LOL
Tiss
jill.we...@googlemail.com
> My grandfather's last name is Westwater. His father (my great grandfather)
> came over from Scotland when he was a child. My grandfather visited
> Scotland about fifteen years ago and found many Westwaters, however he was
> unable to find the Westwater tartan and clan information while he was there.
> I'd like to find this information out for him as a surprise..and I'd like to
> know, myself! Can anyone help me with this?
>
> I know I have about 1/16th Scot blood on my other parent's side, as well,
> but I don't know the last name that goes with it. I'll probably look into
> that one as well once I'd tracked down the Westwater info.
>
>
> --Debbie White
> granddaughter of a Westwater
jo...@westh2o.com
Thanks,
John Westwater
msul...@wscloud.org
Maureen
Dublin, OH
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There is a William Westwater who is shown in the Chicago area census who was my fathers uncle, but we know he didn’t have any kids.
Basically guys if you have a clan name on your mothers side you can use that. Or think of yourselves as vikings.
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