Thomson - Campbell connection?

[thomson]

I am doing some work on my family tree and I am looking for information
on the connection between the surname Thomson and the Campbell of Argyll
clan. Can anyone help.
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[thomson]

[thomson]

[thomson]

[Loudon Briggs]

thomson <tho...@uniserve.com> wrote:

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My reference has the following passage under Campbell of Argyll:

MacTavish, Thompson, etc. - The MacTavishes, Tawessons, Thompsons,
etc., are said to originate from a Taus Coir, illegitimate son of one
of the Lords of Lochow who lived in the times of King Alexander ll .

(Fionn) Henry White said that many of the Argyllshire MacTavishes are
now known as Thomsons and others are known as Tawessons. There were
many MacTavishes in early Strathglass.

These MacTavishes repudiate any dependency on Clan Campbell and
MacTavish of Dunardrie is chief of that clan. Thomson of that Ilk on
the Border is regarded as having a remote and indeterminate connection
to the MacTavishes.

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Loudon Briggs (lar...@indirect.com Phoenix, Arizona, USA)

[James D. Logan or Jane Sitton-Logan]

thomson wrote:
>
> I am doing some work on my family tree and I am looking for information
> on the connection between the surname Thomson and the Campbell of Argyll
> clan. Can anyone help.
> --
> 1ľ

Greetings. We propose that you pretend it never happened. We don't
even buy Campbell's soup, considering what they did to the whole of
Scotland.

Jane and James.

[Wayne H Thompson]

Loudon Briggs wrote:

>
> thomson <tho...@uniserve.com> wrote:
>
> >I am doing some work on my family tree and I am looking for information
> >on the connection between the surname Thomson and the Campbell of Argyll
> >clan. Can anyone help.
> >--
> >1ľ
>

> My reference has the following passage under Campbell of Argyll:
>
> MacTavish, Thompson, etc. - The MacTavishes, Tawessons, Thompsons,
> etc., are said to originate from a Taus Coir, illegitimate son of one
> of the Lords of Lochow who lived in the times of King Alexander ll .
>
> (Fionn) Henry White said that many of the Argyllshire MacTavishes are
> now known as Thomsons and others are known as Tawessons. There were
> many MacTavishes in early Strathglass.
>
> These MacTavishes repudiate any dependency on Clan Campbell and
> MacTavish of Dunardrie is chief of that clan. Thomson of that Ilk on
> the Border is regarded as having a remote and indeterminate connection
> to the MacTavishes.
>
> --
> Loudon Briggs (lar...@indirect.com Phoenix, Arizona, USA)

Don't forget the McThomas's (=Thompson/Thomson) who are connected to the
McIntosh's and those connected to Clan Chattan . . .

Wayne H Thompson

[hr...@aol.com]

In article <32924B...@mail.startext.net>, "James D. Logan or Jane
Sitton-Logan" <ham...@mail.startext.net> writes:

>>
>> I am doing some work on my family tree and I am looking for information
>> on the connection between the surname Thomson and the Campbell of
Argyll
>> clan. Can anyone help.
>> --
>> 1ľ
>

>Greetings. We propose that you pretend it never happened. We don't
>even buy Campbell's soup, considering what they did to the whole of
>Scotland.
>
>Jane and James.
>
>

All I can say is that I hope Jane and James are happy in the very small
world that they live in... tiny wee people that you are!

Rich Hills

[James Dempster]

Wayne H Thompson <7045...@compuserve.com> wrote:

>Loudon Briggs wrote:
>>
>> thomson <tho...@uniserve.com> wrote:
>>

>> >I am doing some work on my family tree and I am looking for information
>> >on the connection between the surname Thomson and the Campbell of Argyll
>> >clan. Can anyone help.
>> >--
>> >1ľ
>>

>> My reference has the following passage under Campbell of Argyll:
>>
>> MacTavish, Thompson, etc. - The MacTavishes, Tawessons, Thompsons,
>> etc., are said to originate from a Taus Coir, illegitimate son of one
>> of the Lords of Lochow who lived in the times of King Alexander ll .
>>
>> (Fionn) Henry White said that many of the Argyllshire MacTavishes are
>> now known as Thomsons and others are known as Tawessons. There were
>> many MacTavishes in early Strathglass.
>>
>> These MacTavishes repudiate any dependency on Clan Campbell and
>> MacTavish of Dunardrie is chief of that clan. Thomson of that Ilk on
>> the Border is regarded as having a remote and indeterminate connection
>> to the MacTavishes.
>>
>> --
>> Loudon Briggs (lar...@indirect.com Phoenix, Arizona, USA)

>Don't forget the McThomas's (=Thompson/Thomson) who are connected to the
>McIntosh's and those connected to Clan Chattan . . .

There is an interesting article on the Thomsons, MacThomases and so on
in Volume 17 of The Double Tressure - Journal of the Heraldry Society
of Scotland (1995) by JH Gaylor. Put briefly, the heraldic evidence
for clan relationships is a follows.

Thomson/Thompson

Eight Thomsons of various spellings recorded arms in the early years
of the Lyon Register (which started in 1672) and 51 out of 53
matriculations of arms since then have followed the early Thomson
theme which has a stags head facing to the front on a silver
background and a coloured chief (top part of shield) with various
small symbols on it.

Thoms/Thom

Thoms of Aberlemno first matriculated arms in 1881, with
rematriculations in 1884 and 1946. These arms show a Macintosh/MacDuff
theme being a red lion rampant on gold on top of which is a black
chevron. Three Thoms cadets and two Thom cadets have matriculated
differenced variations on the same theme, forming a small but distinct
group. Unfortunately in 1967 Thoms of Aberlemno metamorphosed into
MacThomas of Finegand, with unfortunate results for the heraldry.

MacCombie

A Gaelic version of MacThomas, the MacCombies, of whom M'Combie of
Easter Skene is the head also show a MacIntosh/MacDuff theme with the
red lion rampant on gold, this time with a coloured chief.

MacThomas

MacThomas of Finegand matriculated arms in 1967 and again in 1972 -
with obvious arms as a cadet of MacIntosh, but with a quartering of
Thoms of Aberlemno and then all within a bordure compony - a cadet
difference, and one usually denoting bastardy. Thus MacThomas
may be chief of the MacThomases but he cannot be chief of the Thoms'
as the arms are differenced, and the definition of a chief is "one who
bears the undifferenced coat of arms"

Thomas

Though the name is similar, there appears to be no connection between
the Thomases and the others, all coats of arms - except those of the
Miller-Thomas of Ley family - bearing a Cornish Chough motif.

MacTavish

Up till 1973 (which is the date of the last entry in the published
version of the Lyon Register), only two MacTavish coats of arms had
been matriculated, both differenced versions of Campbell of Lochow

The position is thus -

Thomson/Thompson - separate entity from the others, but currently
lacking a chief. There is the added caveat that MacThomas and
MacTavish members may have changed to Thomson on emigrating, so
caution should be exercised.

Thomas - separate entity from the others.

MacCombie - a direct cadet of MacIntosh separate from the others. Head
- M'Combie of Easter Skene

MacThomas - a cadet of MacIntosh. Head - MacThomas of Finegand

Thoms/Thom - a cadet of MacIntosh. Thoms of Aberlemno was the senior
line, but on becoming MacThomas of Finegand, that status came into
doubt. Though chief of the MacThomases, MacThomas of Finegand cannot
be chief of the Thoms whilst bearing arms of a cadet of that family,
possibly those of a bastard cadet at that.

Thus MacThomas is chief of the MacThomases but is not chief of the
Thomsons, Thomases or MacCombies. Any claim to chiefship of the
Thom/Thoms would require proving and matriculating chiefly arms of
that family before the Lyon Court.

James Dempster
jdem...@easynet.co.uk

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