Scottish-American Boy Punished for Wearing Kilt to Prom
Brvhearts
Pennsylvania, wore a kilt to his high school prom this month. Because of his
kilt, one of the teachers ordered him not to participate in the grand march.
When he insisted on escorting his date in the procession, Matt received a
suspension which will appear on his permanent record.
For a news report on this incident, see:
www.sharon-herald.com/localnews/recentnews/0105/ln052001b.html
Here is my letter to the high school principal. I encourage others to express
their views.
May 25, 2001
Alan J. Balderelli, Principal
Lakeview High School
2482 Mercer Street
Stoneboro, PA 16153
RE: Matthew McCarl
Scottish Student Punished for Wearing Kilt to Prom
Dear Principal Balderelli:
I am writing to you not in my capacity as an attorney, but as a member of the
Scottish-American community and as a citizen who is deeply concerned when men
and boys are denied the right to wear kilts and other male unbifurcated
garments.
I am writing because I, together with numerous other persons both here and
abroad, was extremely upset upon learning that Matt McCarl, a junior at your
school, was suspended due to an incident involving his wearing a kilt to the
high school prom. This story was reported in The Herald of Sharon, PA, on
Sunday May 20, 2001, and was disseminated world-wide on the Internet. I have
been supplied additional information about the incident from others involved.
The story has since been referred to other news organizations as well.
As I understand it, Matt went to the prom looking very presentable in a suit
jacket, tie, and a black twill kilt. One of the chaperons (Ms. Houston, a
special education teacher) told Matt that he could not participate in the grand
march because, according to her, he had "violated the dress code." This edict
was arbitrary and unfounded, since it was never clear that your school had a
dress code banning kilts. Furthermore, barring Matt from the grand march would
been publicly embarrassing both to Matt and his date.
Therefore, Matt insisted upon escorting his date in the grand march - as he
had every right to do. As punishment, Matt received a one-day in-school
suspension on May 7, which will go on his permanent discipline record.
Although the school's official position is that the suspension was for a
"discipline problem" rather than a dress code violation, it is clear that Matt
was singled out for disparate treatment because he was wearing a kilt.
I appreciate the fact that you, Ms. Houston, and many Americans may be
unaccustomed to seeing men and boys wearing kilts other than in bagpipe bands.
Although the kilt has often been the subject of humor, please be assured that
it is no joke! It is a serious, masculine garment with a long and heroic
heritage, and it remains a potent symbol of Scottish pride.
Our diverse ethnic traditions have enriched and strengthened this nation. In
recent years, Americans have been rediscovering and celebrating the heritages
that their ancestors brought to these shores. The United States Senate has
honored the contributions of Scottish-Americans by declaring April 6 "National
Tartan Day." At the Tartan Day celebrations this year, Senator Trent Lott and
other congressmen and notables appeared at the U.S. Capitol wearing kilts.
Likewise, the kilt is now enjoying increased popularity throughout the
Scottish-American community. Men frequently appear in kilts at weddings and
other formal occasions. And in many communities it is not unusual for boys to
wear kilts - without incident - to their high school proms. I wonder what Ms.
Houston's position would have been if Matt had worn a traditional tartan kilt
to the prom.
Unfortunately, genuine tartan kilts are extremely expensive and beyond the
reach of most high school boys. However, for the past year a company in
Seattle, called "Utilikilts," has been marketing practical and less expensive
American versions of kilts for men. Make no mistake about it - Utilikilts are
serious, well-made, male garments. While not as expensive as the traditional
woolen ones from Scotland, they are not cheap. Although they don't come in
tartans, it should be noted that even the genuine kilts do not necessarily have
to be of tartan; they have traditionally also come in tweeds and solid colors.
Matt wore his black twill kilt to the prom proudly, in celebration of his
Scottish heritage. His appearance was presentable and in good taste. His
attire was not intended to show any disrespect to the school or to cause any
disruption - nor did it do so. His kilt was not the problem.
The real problem was the chaperon's unfamiliarity with the sight of boys in
kilts and her failure to appreciate the importance of kilts in Scottish
heritage. (There really would have been no grounds for objection even if Matt
wasn't of Scottish descent.) Ms. Houston may have arbitrarily assumed that
trousers are the only acceptable form of male attire, and therefore singled out
Matt for disparate treatment. Whatever her personal tastes may have been
regarding boys in kilts, it was manifestly unfair for her to do this.
Speaking for myself and numerous other people who are incensed over this
incident, I respectfully request that Lakeview High School reconsider its
suspension of Matt McCarl and remove it from his permanent disciplinary record.
Thank you for your consideration of this request.
Very truly yours,
WILLIAM D. PARRY
WDP/pp
cc: Honorable Trent Lott, United States Senate
Honorable Arlen Specter, United States Senate
Honorable Rick Santorum, United States Senate
Ms. Jenn Heinold, The Herald
Mr. Steven Villegas, Utilikilts
Mr. Matthew McCarl
Mark Letham
brvh...@aol.com (Brvhearts) wrote:
> Matt McCarl, a 17-year-old junior at Lakeview High School in Stoneboro,
> Pennsylvania, wore a kilt to his high school prom this month. Because of his
> kilt, one of the teachers ordered him not to participate in the grand march.
> When he insisted on escorting his date in the procession, Matt received a
> suspension which will appear on his permanent record.
>
> For a news report on this incident, see:
>
> www.sharon-herald.com/localnews/recentnews/0105/ln052001b.html
>
<snipped for brevity>
I usually wear my kilt to church, weddings and other special events. I
have worn my kilt to community festivals and I have never had any one say
a negative word to me. I have even been asked if I was part of a group
that was performing at a festival.
I hope that my future son will be able to wear a kilt with pride at any
event he chooses.
Mark
Steve Kalinowski
event, no one would dare to utter a peep. And God knows if a black kid (oh
wait, there are no black people any more.....African Americans......) wore
some sort of tribal-coloured Dashiki robes and a comment was made, there'd
be riots in the streets led by Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Generalissimo
Louis Farrakhan's thuglings. It's okay for oppressed minorities to celebrate
their heritage...but woe be to an Anglo-esque kid wanting to celebrate his
heritage at a stuffy prom, a traditionally staid, stale occassion where
everyone dresses alike ....
Ah yes, Vive L'Sameness....God forbid a kid dress differntly....the
bastards.....I think I shall have to write a NastyGram (tm) to this school
board.
Steve
Robert McKay
>From: "Steve Kalinowski" ste...@awod.com
>Date: 6/2/01 7:53 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>It's okay for oppressed minorities to celebrate
>their heritage...but woe be to an Anglo-esque kid wanting to celebrate his
>heritage at a stuffy prom, a traditionally staid, stale occassion where
>everyone dresses alike ....
There have been times in history when to be Scottish was, in fact, to be a
member of an oppressed minority...but of course since Scots are white, that
doesn't count.<sigh>
Robert McKay
AOL - Goffs California, E-mail - goffsca...@aol.com
Le Lamh Laidir
Neacalban1
get the kilt- was it in fact something in tartan, or was it something else? If
it wasn't tartan, then maybe I'm not so sympathetic. call me stuffy, but....
ZsaZsa
"Neacalban1" <neaca...@aol.com> wrote in message
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It was something called a utilikilt, you can see a picture of the kid
wearing it at
http://www.utilikilts.com/
Neacalban1
>wearing it at
>http://www.utilikilts.com/
Well,
I hate to be stuffy, but I'm not sure I consider that a kilt.(I mean,
yes, its a kilt, but not a Scottish or tartan one.) a few years ago, there was
a fad where the fashion people were trying to foist pleated mini-skirts, with
work boots and rumpled socks, on guys. There were a few in the gay community
who wore them(I've no idea if any straight guys did) but I mostly thought they
looked absurd. the only types who could carry it off as a look had very good
legs, and upper bodies to match.
If this boy had been wearing a tartan kilt(his clan, or not) with
formal jacket,sporran etc, then I think he'd have a much stronger case. In the
same way that(and I can't remember his name) -------- at UCal -Davis, was
discriminated against when he wore his real kilt on Diversity Day, and was told
to go home and change.
Sean MacUisdin
>
> >It was something called a utilikilt, you can see a picture of the kid
> >wearing it at
> >http://www.utilikilts.com/
>
> Well,
> I hate to be stuffy, but I'm not sure I consider that a kilt.(I mean,
> yes, its a kilt, but not a Scottish or tartan one.)
I don't think it ever claimed to be a Scottish kilt.
(snip)
> If this boy had been wearing a tartan kilt(his clan, or not) with
> formal jacket,sporran etc, then I think he'd have a much stronger case.
What if a woman wore trousers to the ball? Should she be sent home as
well?
--
Air muir 's air tir,
Sean of Clan Uisdin
-------------------
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bathtub mulling over his thoughts wi' a dram o' Glen Ord.
Remove 'mac' to reply.
... The heroes of the race of Conn are dead,
How bitter to our hearts is the grief for them!
We shall not live long after them,
Perilous we think it to be bereaved of the brotherhood!
Cathal MacMhuirich
"Well, I'm sick of this room and everyone in it!" - Bender
"Everything's gone wrong since Canada came along!" - MAC (Mothers
against Canada)
Sean Dugdale of Clan Hall
Cheers,
Sean
RSMcC III
boy. He wanted a tartan kilt but the original post or article stated he
could not afford one but wore what he could afford. Would you say the buffs
are not wearing kilts since theirs are of buff material? Is a Egyptian Kilt
not a kilt? I've seen a pipe band wear black kilts, I don't remember were
for sure were they from, but their uniform is all of Scottish style except
the color of the kilt. When someone has the "balls" to wear a kilt in
public were the possibility of ridicule is possible, but they still do it
because they feel it is part of their heritage, I say more power to them and
Alba Go Bragh!
SilntThnkr
Well, I think he should just be made fun of for having bad taste. Those things
look terrible. However, it is not indecent or vulgar in anyway (good reasons
IMHO for forbidding somebody from wearng something to a school function) so he
should have been allowed to wear it.
-David of the Clan Gunn
David P. Simone
>Well, I think he should just be made fun of for having bad taste. Those
>things
>look terrible. However, it is not indecent or vulgar in anyway (good reasons
>IMHO for forbidding somebody from wearng something to a school function) so
>he
>should have been allowed to wear it.
>-David of the Clan Gunn
Let me make it clear that I don't REALLY think he should be made fun of, just
my way of saying I don't like the way they look. If it was all he could
afford, then I understand him getting it and he should be commended for wearing
what he wanted.
-David of the Clan Gunn
(remove 'nospram' from my e-mail address to contact)
Neacalban1
>
Erin Go Bragh.....
Alba Gu Brath.
CandL
David P. Simone <silnt...@aol.comnospram> wrote in message
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That's better... I thought it was strange for you to be bit mean. <g>
Considering some of the strange things the kids wear these days... he didn't
look too bad.
Have you bought your second kilt yet? <gbg>
Lena G
Lena G
CandL
Steve Kalinowski <ste...@awod.com> wrote in message
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You are quite right though... this PC business is driving me batty.
Lena G
conrad josephs
been there? Any advice?
I hear they have magnificent beaches. Any SCUBA diving shops there? thanks.
David P. Simone
>
>Lena G
I think soon. Although I am saving for a down-payment on a house, so I may
have to stay with the modern gunn for another year. I love the way it looks,
but I just wanted a second option for a change of pace. : ) BTW Good to see
you again dear, I was starting to miss you quite a bit.
I hope nobody else close to you has passed away. Do you finally have your
computer fixed?
Neacalban1
>been there? Any advice?
>I hear they have magnificent beaches. Any SCUBA diving shops there? thanks.
Tha mi air a bhith ann.(I've been there). Chan eil sian a dh'fhios agam mu
dheidhinn SCUBA, tha mi duilich.(I don't know anything about SCUBA, I'm afraid.
ZsaZsa
Since SCUBA is an acronym like LASER, what would the Gaelic for SCUBA be?
ZsaZsa
I don't think this is a diversity issue, or a self-expression issue either,
but an issue of insubordination. No-one asked him to leave, or told him to
show up for detention when he showed up in his 'utilikilt'. He disobeyed
some wet blamket teacher who told him not to go in a receiving line, or
parade or something.
Odysseus
>
> Since SCUBA is an acronym like LASER, what would the Gaelic for SCUBA be?
>
but I suppose one could translate "self-contained underwater breathing
apparatus" ...
--Odysseus
Tiss
CandL wrote:
That is my pet peeve too. It seems like you can't do anything any more without
it offending someone. Get a life folks.
Good to see you back too, Lena, gal!
Tiss
Tiss
understand the kilt. I suggest that we get all of the BIG boys who toss the caber
and have them parade around that school with their kilts on. That teacher may
have a different view.
Tiss
ejaycee
"Tiss" <ejth...@i1.net> wrote in message news:3B1F2DD4...@i1.net...
> The diference is that you are an adult. Some of these assinine idiots don't
> understand the kilt. I suggest that we get all of the BIG boys who toss the caber
> and have them parade around that school with their kilts on. That teacher may
> have a different view.
>
> Tiss
I had a look at the utilikilt site today and I must admit I thought it was being
promoted as 'work wear' item rather than traditional dress. I have an awful feeling
this is just a publicity stunt for utilikilts.
--
from Ejaycee
in the heart of Tasmania
Sean Dugdale
and no one said anything. I was hoping it was because people were simply alright with
celebrating culture, but I am bigger than most of the teachers there so who knows lol.
Sean
CandL
Tiss <ejth...@i1.net> wrote in message news:3B1F2CF7...@i1.net...
Thanks Tiss.... is is good to be back.
Will be away for a couple of days over the weekend though... this is our
Queen's Birthday holiday weekend in OZ. Sunday we are off to Toowoomba for
Joshua's christening and Monday Colin and I will be 'gone fishin'....
aaaaaaah.... blisssssss!! <gbg>
Further to PC... I find it insulting to be called a 'person'.... it's gender
negative!! I am very much a *female* only answer to mrs, woman, lady, madam
and the like. Another thing that gets me going is when the young ones get
chummy, and say... 'you guys'
...... now do I look like a *guy* to you.... !!!!
ROFLOL
Lena G
CandL
David P. Simone <silnt...@aol.comnospram> wrote in message
> >Have you bought your second kilt yet? <gbg>
> >
> >Lena G
>
> I think soon. Although I am saving for a down-payment on a house,
That's very good to hear David... keep at it. Unit# life is not really
suitable for long term living... you need a yard for the kids and just to
get 'out'.
(# unit/flat/apartment...!!! when are we going to work this 'common'
langauge out huh?)
>so I may
> have to stay with the modern gunn for another year. I love the way it
looks,
> but I just wanted a second option for a change of pace. : ) BTW Good
to see
> you again dear, I was starting to miss you quite a bit.
Thank you... I did miss the group. You and the 'mob' have certainly been a
comfort previously but I just got too overwhelmed and drained by what was
happening to bother with any of my computer activities.
> I hope nobody else close to you has passed away.
Don't ask... 25 deaths in our combined families and one good friend, but the
cruncher this year has been Colin's Mum having a Stroke. We had a Prime
Minister, named Malcolm Frazer and he will always be remembered in this
country for his reminder to us that "Life wasn't meant to be easy"... coming
from him it was quite controversial. Thinking of it always gives me a
chuckle.
>Do you finally have your computer fixed?
Ah sure do honey-bunch.... you should see what ah've got NOW.... !!!!!
Just got start using the bloody thing, ... LOL
Lena G
Tiss
Tiss
Tiss
that is all this kid wore. chuckle...giggle
Tiss
Alexander Maclennan
>
> I wonder if a utilikilt is something like a utility belt? Then I could
> understand if that is all this kid wore. chuckle...giggle
I think it was General Joffre during the `14 war who commented, `Pour la
guerre, ce n`est pas bonne, mais pour l`amour, magnifique!
--
Alexander MacLennan sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk
Alexander Maclennan
> We had a Prime Minister, named Malcolm Frazer and he will always be
> remembered in this country for his reminder to us that "Life wasn't
> meant to be easy"... coming from him it was quite controversial.
> Thinking of it always gives me a chuckle.
Malcolm Frazer visited the UK during his term in office. While he was
here, an uncle of mine had to go from Inverness to Tain to attend a family
funeral for which in those days he wore the customary black morning coat and
top hat and as he didn`t drive, travelled in the chauffeured limo belonging
to the firm he managed. A rumour hit the grapevine that Mr Frazer had been
seen in the north and on his return trip, my uncle`s vehicle was cheered by
waiting crowds through each village they came to. Mr Frazer was well
respected in these parts and they probably still recall his `visit`.
--
Alexander MacLennan sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk
ejaycee
"Tiss" <ejth...@i1.net> wrote in message news:3B2061F2...@i1.net...
> I wonder if a utilikilt is something like a utility belt? Then I could understand
if
> that is all this kid wore. chuckle...giggle
>
> Tiss
>
Tiss - have a look at the site and tell me what you think, it really isn't a
*national* dress of any kind
> > >http://www.utilikilts.com/
CandL
Alexander Maclennan <sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Hi Sandy... how are you? I am still chuckling over the story you told us
about Lovat's scouts raiding the picture theatre at Inverness... what a
classic!! LOL
I wonder if Malcolm Frazer knew about his stand-in... I think he would be
amused and flattered if he did. He didn't receive that sort of attention in
Australia.....!!! But then... we do tend to be rather cynical towards our
leaders.... and he was rather controversial in the way he came to power and
in some of the things he said and did during his political career.
After he 'retired' he redeemed his reputation to a great extent. Mostly by
becoming involved in ways to alleviate the suffering found in Third World
countries. In this he was following in his daughter's footsteps. I think
most Australians were surprised at his compassion and dedication... so he
was forgiven his 'many' transgressions and allowed to adopt the mantle of
'Senior Statesman' (well.. we let him think so anyway...<gbg> this country
has yet to produce a true "Statesman").
Lena G
CandL
Alexander Maclennan <sand...@sandymac.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> >
>
> > I wonder if a utilikilt is something like a utility belt? Then I could
> > understand if that is all this kid wore. chuckle...giggle
>
> I think it was General Joffre during the `14 war who commented, `Pour la
> guerre, ce n`est pas bonne, mais pour l`amour, magnifique!
>
ROFLOL... très bien.
Lena G
Lachie Macquarie
<c.p.g...@bigpond.com> writes
SNiP
>After he 'retired' he redeemed his reputation to a great extent. Mostly by
>becoming involved in ways to alleviate the suffering found in Third World
>countries. In this he was following in his daughter's footsteps. I think
>most Australians were surprised at his compassion and dedication... so he
>was forgiven his 'many' transgressions and allowed to adopt the mantle of
>'Senior Statesman' (well.. we let him think so anyway...<gbg> this country
>has yet to produce a true "Statesman").
>
>Lena G
>
>
The light dismissal of the Australian Cultural Attaché, Sir Les, is
rather telling?
--
Lachie Macquarie, Bod an Deamhan-- smaoineachadh miannach.
CandL
Lachie Macquarie <Lac...@lachiemacq.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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ROFLOL.....!!!!!!!
G'day Guvn'r. <gbg>
>
> --
> Lachie Macquarie, Bod an Deamhan--
(smaoineachadh miannach..... well... at least thinking never hurt anyone...
<GBG>)
Lena G
ZsaZsa
> news:9fc4dq$9vr$1...@george.awod.com...
> You know, that is utter bollocks. If a Jewish kid wears a yarmulke to an
> event, no one would dare to utter a peep. And God knows if a black kid (oh
> wait, there are no black people any more.....African Americans......) wore
> some sort of tribal-coloured Dashiki robes and a comment was made, there'd
> be riots in the streets led by Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and
> Generalissimo Louis Farrakhan's thuglings. It's okay for oppressed
minorities to
> celebrate their heritage...but woe be to an Anglo-esque kid wanting to
celebrate his
> heritage at a stuffy prom, a traditionally staid, stale occassion where
> everyone dresses alike ....
>
> Ah yes, Vive L'Sameness....God forbid a kid dress differntly....the
> bastards.....I think I shall have to write a NastyGram (tm) to this school
> board.
Go right ahead, they'll probably dismiss you as a bigoted froot loop. BTW,
there is nothing "Anglo-esque" about kilts
ejaycee
"Lachie Macquarie" <Lac...@lachiemacq.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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a bonus BG
--
from Ejaycee
in the heart of Tasmania
> --
ejaycee
"CandL" <c.p.g...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
> I wonder if Malcolm Frazer knew about his stand-in... I think he would be
> amused and flattered if he did. He didn't receive that sort of attention in
> Australia.....!!! But then... we do tend to be rather cynical towards our
> leaders.... and he was rather controversial in the way he came to power and
> in some of the things he said and did during his political career.
He also told us to draw our money out the banks and keep it under the mattress.
He really lost a lot of respect when he turned up without his trousers and no good
explanation
didn't he?? His wife is a lovely lady.
--
from Ejaycee
in the heart of Tasmania
After he 'retired' he redeemed his reputation to a great extent. Mostly by
David of the Clan Gunn
>> rather telling?
>>
>*That* man needs horse whipping but I think he'd just enjoy it and think he
>was on
>a bonus BG
>
>
>--
>from Ejaycee
>in the heart of Tasmania
Ejaycee I have been meaning to ask you (please forgive a bit of ignorance
becuase I have never been to Tasmania), is Tasmania part of Australian (I mean
government wise, I know where it is geographically)?
ejaycee
"David of the Clan Gunn" <silnt...@aol.comnospram> wrote in message
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> >> The light dismissal of the Australian Cultural > Ejaycee I have been meaning to
ask you (please forgive a bit of ignorance
> government wise, I know where it is geographically)?
>
> -David of the Clan Gunn
> (remove 'nospram' from my e-mail address to contact)
Before I answer this David I have to just say something to someone.
Lena - will you go and stand in that corner
Now put both hands over your mouth and STOP LAUGHING
Now that was not directed at you in anyway David, this was at the North Islander's
attitude towards Tasmania.
You see Tasmania is *supposed* to be part of Australia but it continually gets over
looked, and is often
left off the maps, and it is a thorn in the side of most Tasmanians, that the North
Islanders forget about it,
in spite of all the two headed people that live here.
.....................ssssssssssh Lena BE QUIET!
For instance we were the only State which did not have a flower represented in the
bouquet given
to the Olympic winners; on one of our national cooking programmes they give the
current best food buys
for all the states bar Tasmania; We have been left off the map of Australia many
many times.
There is in fact a suggestion that one of the North Island states wants to absorb us
into becoming part of them........... I have even had tourists say to me that after
their stay in Tasmanian they are going overseas to Australia next.
We used to laugh when we lived up North, at the complaints we read about from
Tasmanians. Having lived here for 7 years we now feel these complaints are well
justified.
So yes, David. Tasmania *IS* part of Australia, for the moment anyway. I reckon if
we secede we could become tax haven for all those northern millionaires and then we'd
really get noticed.
David of the Clan Gunn
Thank you madam, that was a most elequent answer. I honestly know very little
of Australia. While I was there I heard a lot about New Zeland (that I should
visit it), and I mean to some day. Maybe you can tell me a little bit about
your little island paradise (something I can't get from the encyclopedia). Are
there a lot of Scots there? Was it a populated island when it was found by
Europeans (like Australia)? Is the climate similar to southern Australia's?
Are there pretty beaches with beautiful women on them? LOL Just teasing Lena.
Well it has finally decided to get out of the 50's here in Chiciago. We have
had a very wet and cold April and May (it even snowed in May). Our two
baseball teams are playing each other this weekend (Cubs have won one game and
the Sox have won one), and it feels like Spring is FINALLY here, just before it
ends. One good thing about a cold spring, very few mosquitoes. BTW what do
you grow/manufacture/catch/build in Tasmania as a main export? I think about
the only think the average American knows about your state is the Tasmanian
Devil from the Bugs Bunny cartoon. He is VERY popular over here. In fact he
has his own cartoon.
Have a great day.
Lachie Macquarie
Clan Gunn <silnt...@aol.comnospram> writes
I wouldn't go to Tassie, as it colloquially known, it is very, very,
cold and wet, it has the more official name of Australian Antarctic
Territory because of the large population of penguins. Such a large
population they have exported some to Vic.
There are many Scots there, in fact I met 3 but it was terribly
difficult ascertain their fondness for alcohol and mutton pies due to
the inclement weather and the need for extremely bulky outdoor clothing.
The developed a very successful catamaran that was truly innovative and
revolutionary, if that is no tautological. They had the good sense to
sell the design to the Finns who manufacture and developed the bigger
and faster models. It has been so successful they have bought one that
sails to the North Island. It of course has vastly superior radar to the
Titanic so you do not have to worry on that score.
It is excellent news regarding the Tasmanian Devil in cartoons, that and
the Scottish grounds man in King of the South Park, will give a great
insight into the peculiarities of the two regions.
David of the Clan Gunn
>the Scottish grounds man in King of the South Park, will give a great
>insight into the peculiarities of the two regions.
>
>
>--
>Lachie Macquarie
LOL Lachie the Scottish grounds keeper is on the SImpsons not South Park.
However, thank you for the other information. It has not desuaded me from
wanting to visit Tasmania though.
RSMcC III
Snip
> It of course has vastly superior radar to the
> Titanic so you do not have to worry on that score.
Since the Titanic had zip for Radar, Sonar, Nav aids or Fax equipment. That
is not too dang hard to do.
Snip
ejaycee
"Lachie Macquarie" <Lac...@lachiemacq.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
Right - thats *you* off the Christmas card list
> I wouldn't go to Tassie, as it colloquially known, it is very, very, cold and wet,
Not in the last 7 years is wasn't
it has the more official name of Australian Antarctic Territory because of the large
population of penguins. Such a large population they have exported some to Vic.
So alright, the Masons are big here, that's not so bad is it?
> There are many Scots there, in fact I met 3 but it was terribly difficult ascertain
their fondness for alcohol and mutton pies due to the inclement weather and the need
for extremely bulky outdoor clothing.
I can assure you if you'd been buying there would have been no difficulty at all
regarding the alcohol.
As for mutton pies I can only cook so many at a time and they go like hot , well like
hot, emmm like hot mutton pies. However the favourite mutton here is a bird.
> The developed a very successful catamaran that was truly innovative and
revolutionary, if that is no tautological. They had the good sense to sell the design
to the Finns who manufacture and developed the bigger and faster models. It has been
so successful they have bought one that
sails to the North Island.
Only when the weather's good and the sea is calm.
It is actually the Tasmanians way of getting their own back on the North Islanders
who are daft enought to use it
--
from Ejaycee
in the heart of Tasmania
ejaycee
"David of the Clan Gunn" <silnt...@aol.comnospram> wrote in message
> Thank you madam, that was a most elequent answer. I honestly know very little
> visit it), and I mean to some day.
You mean when you were in Oz the North Islanders were recommending you go to New
Zealand? What a funny lot they are up there.
Maybe you can tell me a little bit about
> your little island paradise (something I can't get from the encyclopedia).
Just a few trivia quirks off the top of my head that you may not know about:
The first trout in Australia were hatched here and the ovum were carted over 150 kms
in wet sphagnum moss to the Great Lake, our largest lake.
The first Aberdeen Angus cattle in Australia were bred in Tasmania
The oldest golf course in the Southern hemisphere
is here where I live. It is believed to be the oldest outside the UK as golf was
played on it in the 1820's, but unfortunately there is no paperwork to prove this, so
that honour goes to Royal Calcutta
Dr Grote Reber a radio Astronomer of Low Frequencies funded by the American Research
Corp of New York City worked here for 15 years.
and has now retired here. I think he was actually Canadian.
The cleanest air in the world is recorded in the north west corner of Tasmania.
We export tulip bulbs to Holland because they can't keep up with the demand
Tasmanian bushrangers were the fiercest of all and the notorious Neil Pearce was
known to be a cannibal.
We have the Eucalyptus Regnans which is the tallest flowering tree in the world
We export leatherwood honey (unique to Tasmania) to America
Errol Flynn was Tasmanian
We hold the biggest one day cattle sale in the Southern Hemisphere the first week of
April
The Hmong people from Laos have a large community here and grow the most perfect
vegetables you will ever find.
We have the Tasmanian Tiger BG
We have one solitary fox - which is costing a lot of money to be caught with five
experts and dogs being brought in fromVictoria to catch the blighter
>Are there a lot of Scots there?
A lot of Tasmanian was settled by land grants to Scottish settlers and the area I
live in has many places with Scottish names. However we do not have many highland or
Scottish celebrations and although I have several Scottish friends here I think
those of early settler Scottish descent consider themselves moire Tasmanian than
anything ( even before Australian BG).
Was it a populated island when it was found by
Europeans (like Australia)?
Now *your* doing it LOL
It was populated by Aborigines who unfortunately were hunted to the point of
extinction and while officially there are no pure blood aborigines in Tasmania today,
I have an Aborigine friend and she says this is not true.
Is the climate similar to southern Australia's?
We get more of a European climate with similar seasonal weather (Spring, Summer,
Autumn and Winter) I don't *think* Sth Aust gets the cold winters we get, but we
certainly get temps up to 42 Celsius in the summer, (which was one of the biggest
surprises I got when we came to live here) but fortunately not for extended periods,
cos I hates the heat, and we don't get the horrible hot northerly winds like
Melbourne
> Are there pretty beaches with beautiful women on them?
There are some wonderful beaches but definitely not sun bathing beaches. Ours are
mostly remote, long and sandy with wild seas and surf particularly on the West coast
. I notice in
the paper this weekend a report that the biggest and most dangerous surf waves in the
world are reputedly off our south coast. There were some magnificent pictures with
the article.
As for beautiful women, well there are beautiful women all over the world.
>snip>The Tas government tried to buy the rights of cartoon Tasmanian Devil but I
don't think they were successful.
--
from Ejaycee
in the heart of Tasmania
-David of the Clan Gunn
CandL
David of the Clan Gunn <silnt...@aol.comnospram> wrote in message
ROFLOLAHAGT.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Davey boy...... you have *done* it now.... LOL
Tasmania is a the second oldest State of Australia, like the other states it
has it's own Parliament, the govt leader is called the Premier of Tasmania
and it also sends representatives to the federal govt in Canberra and to the
Senate.
It is very different to the Mainland because it has spectacular scenery, and
a cool, temperate climate familiar to those who live in the UK and the
Maritme states of the U.S. It is one of the few pristine places left in the
world today... and my son happens to be there at the moment absolutely
revelling in the wonderful food produced on the Island <gbg>... so there is
no way *this* Mainlander is going to overlook our little southern appendage.
LOL
It's time for you to take a trip to Tassie, *our* "Apple Isle"........
"According to experienced travellers who've criss-crossed the globe in
search of excellence, Tasmania has one of the world's ten best beaches
(Wineglass Bay, US-based Outside Magazine), the world's best little town
(Strahan, Chicago Tribune) and is rated as 'the world's best temperate
island' (Condé Nast Traveler)."
http://www.tased.edu.au/tot/java/
Lena G
CandL
ejaycee <ejan...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>
> "David of the Clan Gunn" <silnt...@aol.comnospram> wrote in message
> news:20010609113822...@ng-cf1.aol.com...
> > >> The light dismissal of the Australian Cultural > Ejaycee I have been
meaning to
> ask you (please forgive a bit of ignorance
> > because I have never been to Tasmania), is Tasmania part of Australian
(I mean
> > government wise, I know where it is geographically)?
> >
> > -David of the Clan Gunn
> > (remove 'nospram' from my e-mail address to contact)
>
> Before I answer this David I have to just say something to someone.
>
> Lena - will you go and stand in that corner
>
> Now put both hands over your mouth and STOP LAUGHING
ROFLOL...... that is *exactly* what I did when I read David's post.... just
as well that he wasn't standing in the middle of Hobart when he asked that
question, eh?
> that the North Islanders forget about it,
> in spite of all the two headed people that live here.
> .....................ssssssssssh Lena BE QUIET!
"two headed people" ??????
>
> For instance we were the only State which did not have a flower
represented in the
> bouquet given to the Olympic winners;
you've got a point... I for one could not tell you what you what your state
flower is.
> have been left off the map of Australia many many times.
When I was at primary school (a couple of years ago ;-p), I had a plastice
stencil of Oz to use for tracing the outline of the country... and it had
Tasmania included but seperated by a crack in the plastic that my pencil had
to be very sharp to outline..... believe me Tassie was well and truly part
of the mainland in the maps in *my* geography book..... LOL
> There is in fact a suggestion that one of the North Island states wants to
absorb us
> into becoming part of them...........
LOL... poor little Vic.. she'll never be as 'big' as NSW.
Lena G
CandL
>
> I wouldn't go to Tassie, as it colloquially known, it is very, very,
> cold and wet, it has the more official name of Australian Antarctic
> Territory because of the large population of penguins. Such a large
> population they have exported some to Vic.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.... see!!... serve you right... I DID tell you to come to
Brisbane <gbg>.
But then again....if you couldn't manage to notice that the A.A.T. was
another 3 day boat trip to the South... how would you have managed to
navigate over a wee little strait and across 2 state borders. LOL if
you had followed the penguins you wouldn't have got to Newcastle...!!
Lena G
Joe Makowiec
>"two headed people" ??????
Inbreeding...
--
Joe Makowiec can be reached at:
makowiec(at)nycap(dot)rr(dot)com
James Oliver
<snip>
>> that the North Islanders forget about it,
>> in spite of all the two headed people that live here.
>> .....................ssssssssssh Lena BE QUIET!
>
> "two headed people" ??????
Sounds like some Dundonians have settled there...you'll know if you
suddenly start to notice personal possesions go missing and the word EH is
scrawled over your walls... ;-)
<snip>
James
------------
E-mail: jim_ol...@hotmail.com
Astronomy and Scottish History - Strange Mix? Find out:
http://www.abigneep.co.uk
David of the Clan Gunn
>> visit it), and I mean to some day.
>
>You mean when you were in Oz the North Islanders were recommending you go to
>New
>Zealand? What a funny lot they are up there.
being friendly when we ran into some New Zealanders and were telling me how
nice NZ is. I have actually heard that from several people here in the states
who have been to NZ (sorry, don't know anybody who has been to Tazmania, except
you of course lol).
>The cleanest air in the world is recorded in the north west corner of
>Tasmania.
>
>We export tulip bulbs to Holland because they can't keep up with the demand
>
These are two really cool points.
>We export leatherwood honey (unique to Tasmania) to America
>
Never heard of it, is it good to eat? Probably have it in California.
>Errol Flynn was Tasmanian
>
This is probably the most interesting fact of all. Who knew THIS? (gee, I hope
not too many people or I will feel dumb).
>As for beautiful women, well there are beautiful women all over the world
This is absolutly true, as I have found out over the years (unfortunaily they
don't all think I am beautiful lol)
Thank you very much Madam, this was a most wonderful response.
Tiss
(smack my hands) naughty, naughty!
Tiss
Anne Burgess
> (sorry, don't know anybody who has been to Tazmania, except
> you of course lol).
Anne B
CandL
Anne Burgess <Anne.B...@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message
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Well... it IS Winter you know.... LOL
Lena G
ejaycee
>
> David of the Clan Gunn <silnt...@aol.comnospram> wrote in message
> news:20010609113822...@ng-cf1.aol.com...
ejaycee
> news:20010609113822...@ng-cf1.aol.com...
> >
> > becuase I have never been to Tasmania), is Tasmania part of Australian (I
> mean
> > government wise, I know where it is geographically)?
> >
> > -David of the Clan Gunn
> > (remove 'nospram' from my e-mail address to contact)
>
> ROFLOLAHAGT.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Oh Davey boy...... you have *done* it now.... LOL
>
> Tasmania is a the second oldest State of Australia, like the other states it
> has it's own Parliament, the govt leader is called the Premier of Tasmania
Thats his public name anyway GBG
We call him Jim and his wife is Honey
> and it also sends representatives to the federal govt in Canberra and to the
> Senate.
>
> It is very different to the Mainland because it has spectacular scenery,
Now lets just be a bit honest here. There are some fantastic places on the North
Island and most of them are the type of scenery more associated with peoples
perceptions
and expectations of Australia, the only trouble is the distances between them,
which in most cases are long long long straight roads with not a lot to see in
between stops.
The reason Tassie is so popular with mainlanders is because it is very different
to what they have. For instance the roads are narrower and twisty,
and the short distances between places throw a lot of mainlanders who are not used
to so many things to see in such a small area. Mainlanders who have been to the UK
tend to see a similarity in the scenery, but it is only that - a similarity if the
view is right.
Its amazing the number who will look at a map and because an inch on map = say 100
kms on the mainland map they still use this reference on Tassie maps, whereas it is
really only 30 kms. Does that make sense? I know what I'm trying to say so I hope
you do LOL
> a cool, temperate climate familiar to those who live in the UK and the
> Maritme states of the U.S
We get the four seasons with accompanying weather changes
I always say Tassie is all things to all people. It is one of the few pristine places
left in the
> world today...
It certainly has this wonderful clarity of light and clearness of air.
One can only wonder how long it will be allowed to stay this way, not because
anyone particularly wants to willingly spoil this but there is a need for jobs and
people have to live so where does one draw the line. Oil has been found in the
central highlands plateau which if it is mined will bring so much needed revenue
into a depressed area but who would willingly want to see the accompanying
infrastrucure
that goes with oil drilling. It will be interesting to see what develps, in more
ways
than one. I'm off to a meeting tomorrow which has this as an Agenda item.
and my son happens to be there at the moment absolutely
> revelling in the wonderful food produced on the Island <gbg>... so there is
> no way *this* Mainlander is going to overlook our little southern appendage.
> LOL
>
> It's time for you to take a trip to Tassie, *our* "Apple Isle"........
Actually its no longer the Apple Isle - its "your natural State" and a
great logo of a Tassie Tiger goes with it.
>
--
from Ejaycee
in the heart of Tasmania
David of the Clan Gunn
LOL wow Anne, you do get around. I do believe you have been more places then I
have. Don't you have to spend a certain amount of time IN Scotland to remain
scottish? lol Other then the snow, did you enjoy your trip down under, the
place down under?
Anne Burgess
then I
> have.
only changed planes. But then I do have a slight advantage in that there are
more countries available in a smaller space here in Europe. I've only been
in 4 of the United States of America and 2 Canadian provinces.
> Don't you have to spend a certain amount of time IN Scotland to remain
> scottish?
LOL! You ask this on a NG which contains Scots who have never set foot in
Scotland?? <G>
> lol Other then the snow, did you enjoy your trip down under, the
> place down under?
Yes indeed. The only thing wrong with it was the time was too short and the
continent too big <g>
Anne
David of the Clan Gunn
Well, you beat me by a long shot. I can only think of 20 or so countries I
have been in for more then a few days. Never been to Europe (well, that
depends how you classify the old USSR and Turkey, I personally don't count them
as Europe). I have lived in 4 of them for more then a year (not counting the
United States of course). Now I HAVE visited over 30 states, I know not
exactly a record but more then most have, and I loved them all (even Indian
lol).
.
Tiss
always feel like I'm writing to a business group such as the Jay Cees or J.C's
which stands for the Junior Chamber of Commerce in our towns.
I don't think you should advertise Tasmania too much or you are going to get run
over by all those obnoxious Americans, not the nice ones like me, who can't afford
to make the trip.
Seriously, it sounds like heaven.
Tiss
Tiss
David of the Clan Gunn wrote:
> snip
>
> >The cleanest air in the world is recorded in the north west corner of
> >Tasmania.
> >
> >We export tulip bulbs to Holland because they can't keep up with the demand
> >
>
> These are two really cool points.
>
> >We export leatherwood honey (unique to Tasmania) to America
> >
>
> Never heard of it, is it good to eat? Probably have it in California.
>
> >Errol Flynn was Tasmanian
> >
>
> This is probably the most interesting fact of all. Who knew THIS? (gee, I hope
> not too many people or I will feel dumb).
I knew it, but I'm a lot older then you, dear Errol Flynn was one of my idols
growing up. The problem was, I didn't know where Tasmania was. LOL
Tiss
>
>
snip
Tiss
morning and it is summer here. LOL
Tiss
David of the Clan Gunn
>I heard that it was snowing in the Rocky Mountains, Colorado, USA this
>morning and it is summer here. LOL
>
>Tiss
>
Well, actually it is still spring here hon, but I know what you mean. It
snowed here about a month ago (latest snow I can remember, although it was just
flurries and didn't accumulate much, melted a few hours later). Weird wether
lately. For a month we had highs of 50 then last wed or so suddenly hit 70 and
this weekend it was all 90's. Now it is like a heat wave.
ejaycee
> That's telling her, ejaycee! BTW, you do have a real name, don't you? Somehow, I
> always feel like I'm writing to a business group such as the Jay Cees or J.C's
> which stands for the Junior Chamber of Commerce in our towns.
How can you can say that when you sign off as Tiss?? LOL
I'm going to start calling you Ejaytee instead
T-h-i-n-k a-b-o-u-t it GBG
> I don't think you should advertise Tasmania too much or you are going to get run
> over by all those obnoxious Americans, not the nice ones like me, who can't afford
to make the trip.
>
We have never had an obnoxious American stay with us, although I am well aware there
are some around.
Two things have learned about Americans are that one must always put a carafe of
water on the table (whether it is asked for or not) and they do like a side salad
with their dinner
> Seriously, it sounds like heaven.
Right here on earth......................grin
--
from Ejaycee
in the heart of Tasmania>
> Tiss
>
ejaycee
"Anne Burgess" <Anne.B...@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message
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Did you go bushwalking and if so which part?
--
from Ejaycee
in the heart of Tasmania
says she who has never been bush walking in her life .>
ejaycee
"David of the Clan Gunn" <silnt...@aol.comnospram> wrote in message
news:20010613232601...@ng-fr1.aol.com...
> >
> >I heard that it was snowing in the Rocky Mountains, Colorado, USA this
> >morning and it is summer here. LOL
> >
> >Tiss
> >
>
> Well, actually it is still spring here hon, but I know what you mean
Hey - how is she gets called hon and I get called Madam - and with a capital M.
Is it a nationality thingie....................
ejaycee
"Tiss" <ejth...@i1.net> wrote in message news:3B26F0C1...@i1.net...
> Oh, I agree. It is just that name conjured up all kind of crazy things in my head.
> (smack my hands) naughty, naughty!
>
> Tiss
>
would a highland kilt.
Anne Burgess
> Well, you beat me by a long shot. I can only think of 20 or so countries
I
more then a year (not
> counting the United States of course).
never been out of Scotland for more than about 6 months at a time.
> Never been to Europe (well, that
> depends how you classify the old USSR and Turkey, I personally don't count
them
> as Europe).
I'd classify anything west of the Urals as Europe; (western) Russia,
Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. Not so sure about the
Caucasus. Georgia maybe, but not Armenia or Azerbaijan, which is probably
highly illogical thinking on my part, based on meeting people from all three
countries. The Georgians (and Ossetians both North and South) came over like
Europeans, the others didn't. But Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kirghizia,
Tadzhikistan and Turkmenistan are definitely not European (again based only
on meeting people, not on going there).
You should come to Europe some day - with your background <g>
Anne
Lachie Macquarie
<ejan...@bigpond.com> writes
Van Diemens Land is of course very beautiful, why ever did they change
the name? The people are friendly to the point of you thinking they are
relatives that you have not seen for years and the food is excellent,
caff food in particular, is of a very high standard. Cheese is very
interesting with the crossover between the continental style and the UK.
The beer is extremely drinkable too, Boags and the oldest brewery in
Austria, Cascade, situated in a lovely old building in Hobart and well
worth a wander. They definitely give Coopers a run for their money.
Sampling of the products of the vine was much more of a hit and miss
affair due to the preponderance of boutique vineyards. The North
Island's product, I am afraid was more accessible.
Driving is very easy with good roads and very little traffic compared to
YUK and I would imagine our friends who drive on the wrong side of the
road would quickly feel at ease.
Due to the usual pressures of time, we did not get to West Coast, I had
always wanted to go to Port Arthur, which in retrospect was not quite as
I had imagined. The problem with coming from over here is, over anywhere
else's historical sites are wee bit.... Bit of the everything's big in
Texas phenomenon. That is my problem not VDL's
The north east coast with its population of Fairy Penguins and lovely
little seaside towns are well worth a visit, I especially liked the
drive from St Helens to Launceston when you leave the coast and climb
into the high country passing many old mining townships.
I would give VDL an unequivocal thumbs up. Of course I have left the
best till last, you can drive through Melton Mowbray to Bothwell and
visit Ejaycee in her rambling mansion in the heart of Tasmania.
ejaycee
"Lachie Macquarie" <Lac...@lachiemacq.demon.co.uk> wrote in message .
You recouped that very nicely LOL
--
from Ejaycee
in the heart of Tasmania
Anne Burgess
> > I've been to Tassie too! (It snowed - on my 'summer' holidays)
Ejaycee wrote
> and you didn't call in ??????????
It was in 1996, and I didn't have your address
> Did you go bushwalking and if so which part?
No, we stayed near Devonport with Bill's cousin who was on holiday from near
Adelaide, and drove up to Cradle Mountain. We also saw some fairy penguins
and went to Launceston.
My brother was in Tassie too a couple of years ago, rafting down the
Franklin River. He's much more into wilderness than I am. I prefer to fly
over it rather than walk through/up it <g>
Anne B
David of the Clan Gunn
>never been out of Scotland for more than about >6 months at a time.
>You should come to Europe some day - with >your background <g>
>
>Anne
>
I plan to dear. I spent a lot of the 80's outside of America, but I enjoyed
all of it, even the hard times (and there were plenty). Before the gulf war
broke out I was suppose to do a 4 year term in Germany after I finished my
second tour in Korea. It was very difficult for me to get any European
assignments because of my job in the Air Force however, there were a few
avialable. Anyway, I was suppose to go to Ger. for 4 years then we had the
little skirmish in the Gulf so I had to go there for a few months (funny thing
was I had just been there in May, June and July the summer BEFORE the gulf war
and there were no major problems). After that was over I was suppose to
re-enlist but my wife was not too happy with the idea so I got out after 8
years. I figured if I went to Germany I could see most of Europe over the 4
year term (lol you know if I had stayed in I would be 2 years away from
retirement now, instead of 30). It is so much harder (and more expensive) to
travel when the government is not paying lol. I hope to make it to the UK
either next summer or in 2 more years when the Gunns have thier triannuale
(sp?) meeting in Scotland.
David of the Clan Gunn
>> >morning and it is summer here. LOL
>> >
>> >Tiss
>> >
>>
>> Well, actually it is still spring here hon, but I know what you mean
>
>Hey - how is she gets called hon and I get called Madam - and with a capital
>M.
>
>Is it a nationality thingie....................
>
>
>--
>from Ejaycee
>in the heart of Tasmania
I assure you, the Madam was meant as a mark of respect for yoru intelligent and
insiteful posting. It was not ment to put you at a distance from my heart
(hmmm I hope Tiss doesn't think I don't respect her now because I called her
hon? God, women are SO confusing :::banging head on computer:::) Besides,
Tiss is closer to me by about 10,000 miles (well, at leaste she is when she is
at home) so I have a better chance of getting a hug (or a wack upside the head)
lol
Ann Getty
silnt...@aol.comnospram (David of the Clan Gunn) wrote:
> God, women are SO confusing :::banging head on computer:::)
ROFL!! David, is *that* how we give you poor guys headaches all the
time?
> Besides,
>Tiss is closer to me by about 10,000 miles (well, at leaste she is when she
>is
>at home) so I have a better chance of getting a hug (or a wack upside the
>head)
Or both... ;-)
Although I can't imagine anyone wanting to whack you upside the head.
You're too nice for that <g>.
Ann
Tiss
the 90's. Strange weather we've been having for the past several years. All part
of the Global warming I guess. Do you really think Bush is going to do anything
about it?
Tiss
Tiss
ejaycee wrote:
> "Tiss" <ejth...@i1.net> wrote in message news:3B28079A...@i1.net...
> > That's telling her, ejaycee! BTW, you do have a real name, don't you? Somehow, I
> > always feel like I'm writing to a business group such as the Jay Cees or J.C's
> > which stands for the Junior Chamber of Commerce in our towns.
>
> How can you can say that when you sign off as Tiss?? LOL
But Tis is my nickname or if you want to get formal, I'm Joyce.
> I'm going to start calling you Ejaytee instead
> T-h-i-n-k a-b-o-u-t it GBG
Ejaytee is my husband. Hah!!!!
>
>
> > I don't think you should advertise Tasmania too much or you are going to get run
> > over by all those obnoxious Americans, not the nice ones like me, who can't afford
> to make the trip.
> >
> We have never had an obnoxious American stay with us, although I am well aware there
> are some around.
>
> Two things have learned about Americans are that one must always put a carafe of
> water on the table (whether it is asked for or not) and they do like a side salad
> with their dinner
You know Lena had a very poor opinion toward Americans until we started chatting.
>
>
> > Seriously, it sounds like heaven.
>
> Right here on earth......................grin
>
> --
> from Ejaycee
> in the heart of Tasmania>
>
Still no name? GBG
Tiss. My auto license plate says "Tissus". Many years ago when I was Post Advisor of a
Explorer post (part of the Boy Scouts). I had a boy who liked to switch first letters
of words. Thus Mrs Thomas came out Tissusmommas, which eventually got shortened to
Tissus or Tiss.
Anne Burgess
"David of the Clan Gunn" wrote
> I plan to. I figured if I went to Germany I could see most of Europe over
the 4
> year term. It is so much harder (and more expensive) to
> travel when the government is not paying lol.
Tell me about it :-(
> I hope to make it to the UK
> either next summer or in 2 more years when the Gunns have thier triannuale
> (sp?) meeting in Scotland.
Our breaths are all bated in anticipation <g>
Anne B
David of the Clan Gunn
>
Ahhhh small world. My mothers name is Joyce. : )
David of the Clan Gunn
>And now the temperature is dropping again, thand goodness! I don't like
>temps in
>the 90's. Strange weather we've been having for the past several years. All
>part
>of the Global warming I guess. Do you really think Bush is going to do
>anything
>about it?
>
>Tiss
Well, I voted for him, but even I do not thik the enviroment is a big priority
to him. It isone of the things I DO NOT like about the republican party
Although I find it funny that he is visitng Europe now and being honest that he
does not think the Kyoto accord is fair and he does not support it. He is
getting a tremendouse amount of protests over this (and a few other things).
Also there is a lot of critisizm from european leaders (which is a little
hypocritical considering I heard that NO industrialized nation has ratified it
yet).
ejaycee
"Tiss" <ejth...@i1.net> wrote in message news:3B299D69...@i1.net...
>
>
> ejaycee wrote:
>
> > "Tiss" <ejth...@i1.net> wrote in message news:3B28079A...@i1.net...
> > > That's telling her, ejaycee! BTW, you do have a real name, don't you?
Somehow, I
> > > always feel like I'm writing to a business group such as the Jay Cees or J.C's
> > > which stands for the Junior Chamber of Commerce in our towns.
> >
> > How can you can say that when you sign off as Tiss?? LOL
>
> But Tis is my nickname or if you want to get formal, I'm Joyce.
>
> > I'm going to start calling you Ejaytee instead
> > T-h-i-n-k a-b-o-u-t it GBG
>
> Ejaytee is my husband. Hah!!!!
Well - that doesn't stop me calling YOU Eejaytee, it just means you might not answer
>
> >
> >
> snip>
> You know Lena had a very poor opinion toward Americans until we started chatting.
>
Well she wasn't on her own BG
It was only when we had a stop over in LA (to fly up and see the Grand Canyon) and
actually met some Americans on their home territory that my husband decided you
weren't so bad after all LOL and he wouldn't mind a return visit some time.
Mind you he still can't stand your sit-coms on the TV and as an ex cop really can't
accept that your police stations are as chaotic as they are portrayed or that there
are so many red necked sheriffs, so we never ever watch that kind of show.
> Still no name? GBG
>
I'll look my birth certificate out and see if I can find one anywhere, if not will
any other do???
When we have left here and are no longer in
business.........................................
--
from Ejaycee
in the heart of Tasmania
ejaycee
"Anne Burgess" <Anne.B...@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > Anne B wrote
> > > I've been to Tassie too! (It snowed - on my 'summer' holidays)
>
> Ejaycee wrote
> > and you didn't call in ??????????
> It was in 1996, and I didn't have your address
>
> > Did you go bushwalking and if so which part?
> No, we stayed near Devonport with Bill's cousin who was on holiday from near
> Adelaide, and drove up to Cradle Mountain. We also saw some fairy penguins
> and went to Launceston.
I spent a couple of days at Stanley over the Christmas holidays and actually got to
cuddle a fairy penguin. More than made up for the rain.
>
> My brother was in Tassie too a couple of years ago, rafting down the
> Franklin River. He's much more into wilderness than I am. I prefer to fly
> over it rather than walk through/up it <g>
Oh how I agree so much more civilized BG My daughter is one of those that does 9 hour
walks around
Cradle in the pouring rain. She's no sense LOL
I have done a flight round it - gee it was hard on the arms BG
Once we are foot loose we have promised ourselves a flight into the South West
wilderness.
Its about the only way we will ever get in there (and most importantly out again)
B***dy age. Acvtually that's not fair I was never ever an energetic type
--
from Ejaycee
in the heart of Tasmania
, >
> Anne B
>
>
>
>
Lachie Macquarie
<Anne.B...@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> writes
1 Spain 11.600 8.428 10.000 18.571 16.611 65.210 9
2 Italy 10.142 12.285 12.000 12.000 9.812 56.239 8
3 England 7.400 7.785 7.437 14.500 14.166 51.288 6
4 Germany 9.142 11.000 6.357 11.071 11.062 48.632 8
5 France 7.125 6.800 8.642 10.285 9.500 42.352 6
6 Netherlands 6.250 6.833 4.833 6.250 6.083 30.249 6
7 Turkey 6.875 4.400 3.200 7.750 7.750 29.975 4
8 Greece 3.500 6.500 6.200 5.416 6.750 28.366 6
9 Russia 2.750 9.875 7.000 4.250 3.833 27.708 6
10 Portugal 7.400 3.416 3.500 5.833 6.125 26.274 4
11 Czech Republic 3.666 4.875 2.250 8.000 6.000 24.791 4
12 Belgium 4.500 3.900 5.500 3.250 7.000 24.150 5
13 Ukraine 1.500 5.625 7.333 5.375 4.000 23.833 4
14 Austria 3.875 3.875 4.375 3.875 7.750 23.750 4
15 Norway 5.375 4.600 3.800 5.200 4.625 23.600 4
16 Scotland 3.125 3.125 5.625 5.125 5.625 22.625 4
17 Switzerland 5.375 2.250 5.750 4.125 4.375 21.875 4
18 Croatia 3.333 5.166 4.875 2.250 4.375 19.999 4
19 Sweden 4.800 1.900 2.375 4.333 4.800 18.208 5
20 Poland 4.125 2.500 4.000 3.250 3.625 17.500 4
21 Denmark 4.300 3.250 4.125 1.750 3.750 17.175 4
22 Romania 4.500 3.125 2.500 4.833 0.833 15.791 3
23 Yugoslavia 2.250 1.333 4.166 3.166 4.500 15.415 3
24 Hungary 2.833 4.125 2.333 3.125 2.666 15.082 3
25 Slovakia 2.500 2.666 3.333 2.500 3.666 14.665 3
26 Israel 1.125 3.166 5.000 3.000 1.833 14.124 3
27 Slovenia 1.666 3.166 2.333 3.000 1.833 11.998 3
28 Bulgaria 1.333 0.666 2.833 3.833 3.000 11.665 3
29 Cyprus 2.833 2.333 2.500 2.166 1.000 10.832 3
30 Georgia 4.000 2.666 1.000 1.500 0.500 9.666 3
31 Finland 1.875 1.166 3.000 1.000 1.500 8.541 3
32 Latvia 1.333 1.666 1.500 2.500 0.833 7.832 3
33 Iceland 1.333 1.500 0.666 1.000 0.833 5.332 3
34 Belarus 1.500 1.833 0.500 0.000 1.000 4.833 3
35 Moldavia 0.500 0.333 0.500 2.000 1.166 4.499 3
36 Lithuania 1.000 0.666 0.666 1.333 0.833 4.498 3
37 Macedonia 1.166 0.666 0.333 0.666 0.666 3.497 3
38 Ireland 0.333 0.166 0.500 0.333 1.666 2.998 3
39 Estonia 1.333 0.166 0.333 0.000 0.666 2.498 3
40 Armenia 0.833 0.333 0.000 0.333 0.666 2.165 3
41 Wales 1.333 0.000 0.166 0.500 0.166 2.165 3
42 Azerbaijan 0.666 0.000 0.000 0.333 0.666 1.665 3
43 Malta 0.333 0.333 0.000 0.666 0.333 1.665 3
44 Liechtenstein 1.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.500 1.500 1
45 Northern Ireland 0.333 0.166 0.333 0.166 0.333 1.331 3
46 Bosnia-Herz. 0.000 0.000 0.500 0.000 0.500 1.000 3
47 Luxembourg 0.166 0.000 0.000 0.166 0.333 0.665 3
48 Faeroe Islands 0.000 0.166 0.333 0.166 0.000 0.665 3
49 Albania 0.000 0.000 0.333 0.166 0.000 0.499 3
50 San Marino 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 1
51 Andorra
It is bound to be right. At least we rank above Belarus?
--
Tiss
ejaycee wrote:
Hah!!! You got caught Davie, Boy. Just keep up the "hons". As far as Summer, we
only have a couple more days of this beautiful weather. Darn!!!
I've been cutting grass all day and am exhausted. Funny, it didn't seem that way at
the time, but now I can barely type.
Tiss
David of the Clan Gunn
I am sorry Lachie, I do not understand. What are all of those numbers
representitive of?
Lachie Macquarie
Clan Gunn <silnt...@aol.comnospram> writes
Some blokes guide to European football rankings.
Tiss
feel like we're talking to the Chamber of Comerce. GB Maybe you should make your
nickname "Hon". That way everyone would call you Hon. ROTFLOL !!!!!!!
Tiss
CandL
news:Zf3W6.61294$hV3.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
Nicely...!?!?!
You are brilliant Ejay... that's the longest post I I've seen from
Lachie.... well, in English anyway.... ROFLOL
PS... mmmm.....what's so special about your X'mas cards ? <g>
--
Lena G
Lachie Macquarie
>EeJay, this is what I meant when I said you need some kind of a name
>so we don't
>feel like we're talking to the Chamber of Comerce. GB Maybe you
>should make your
>nickname "Hon". That way everyone would call you Hon. ROTFLOL !!!!!!!
>
>Tiss
>
>David of the Clan Gunn wrote:
>
>> > >I heard that it was snowing in the Rocky Mountains, Colorado, USA this
>> >> >morning and it is summer here. LOL
>> >> >
>> >> >Tiss
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Well, actually it is still spring here hon, but I know what you mean
>> >
>> >Hey - how is she gets called hon and I get called Madam - and with
>> >M.
>> >
>> >Is it a nationality thingie....................
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >from Ejaycee
>> >in the heart of Tasmania
>>
>> I assure you, the Madam was meant as a mark of respect for yoru
>>intelligent and
>> insiteful posting. It was not ment to put you at a distance from my heart
>> (hmmm I hope Tiss doesn't think I don't respect her now because I called her
>> hon? God, women are SO confusing :::banging head on computer:::) Besides,
>> Tiss is closer to me by about 10,000 miles (well, at leaste she is
>>when she is
>> at home) so I have a better chance of getting a hug (or a wack upside
>>the head)
>> lol
>>
>> -David of the Clan Gunn
>> (remove 'nospram' from my e-mail address to contact)
>
Tiss
Tiss
David of the Clan Gunn wrote:
Tiss
ejaycee wrote:
> "Tiss" <ejth...@i1.net> wrote in message news:3B299D69...@i1.net...
> >
> >
> > ejaycee wrote:
> >
> snip
>
> Well - that doesn't stop me calling YOU Eejaytee, it just means you might not answer
> >
> > >
> > >
> > snip>
> > You know Lena had a very poor opinion toward Americans until we started chatting.
> >
> Well she wasn't on her own BG
> It was only when we had a stop over in LA (to fly up and see the Grand Canyon) and
> actually met some Americans on their home territory that my husband decided you
> weren't so bad after all LOL and he wouldn't mind a return visit some time.
>
> Mind you he still can't stand your sit-coms on the TV and as an ex cop really can't
> accept that your police stations are as chaotic as they are portrayed or that there
> are so many red necked sheriffs, so we never ever watch that kind of show.
He isn't the only one who dislikes them. For petes sake, don't think that our real
police stations are like that. That is like saying ER, which I love, was typical of
hospital emergency rooms. The staff wouldn't be able to last one shift if that was the
case. Can you tell I'm a retired RN? BG
>
> > Still no name? GBG
> >
> I'll look my birth certificate out and see if I can find one anywhere, if not will
> any other do???
That reminds me of a nurse I use to work with. She had been born in a logging camp by a
Dr. on horseback. (No, it's no relation to Iain). He would turn in his record of births
every 6 months or so. Anyway many years later she wrote for her birth certificate and
found she was " no name and no sex". We teased the life out of her.
Tiss
>
>
> When we have left here and are no longer in
> business.........................................
> --
> from Ejaycee
> in the heart of Tasmania
>
snip
Tiss
ejaycee wrote:
> "Anne Burgess" <Anne.B...@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:9gapmm$in5$1...@neptunium.btinternet.com...
> > > > Anne B wrote
> > > > I've been to Tassie too! (It snowed - on my 'summer' holidays)
> >
> > Ejaycee wrote
> > > and you didn't call in ??????????
> > It was in 1996, and I didn't have your address
> Your forgiven - I wasn't even on the net inthose days
> >
> > > Did you go bushwalking and if so which part?
> > No, we stayed near Devonport with Bill's cousin who was on holiday from near
> > Adelaide, and drove up to Cradle Mountain. We also saw some fairy penguins
> > and went to Launceston.
>
> I spent a couple of days at Stanley over the Christmas holidays and actually got to
> cuddle a fairy penguin. More than made up for the rain.
> >
> > My brother was in Tassie too a couple of years ago, rafting down the
> > Franklin River. He's much more into wilderness than I am. I prefer to fly
> > over it rather than walk through/up it <g>
>
> Oh how I agree so much more civilized BG My daughter is one of those that does 9 hour
> walks around
> Cradle in the pouring rain. She's no sense LOL
> I have done a flight round it - gee it was hard on the arms BG
Didn't you ever hear of airplanes? They're those big silver birds that fly all over.
GBG
>
> Once we are foot loose we have promised ourselves a flight into the South West
> wilderness.
> Its about the only way we will ever get in there (and most importantly out again)
>
> B***dy age. Acvtually that's not fair I was never ever an energetic type
I have that too. Isn't that strange? Also a battle with gravity that doesn't look too
good. My Physical Therapist says I have "Arthur", ( Arthritis) living in my neck and
playing all kind of tricks on me. GBG
Tiss
Tiss
I'm glad you asked.
Tiss
David of the Clan Gunn
>> representitive of?
>>
>> -David of the Clan Gunn
>> (remove 'nospram' from my e-mail address to contact)
>
>I'm glad you asked.
>
I am still lost. I mean I know he said it is some guys ranking, but what do
the numbers represent? Are they statistics of some kind? I mean numbers with
lables don't make a lot of sense to me. Oh well.
Lachie Macquarie
Clan Gunn <silnt...@aol.comnospram> writes
>>> I am sorry Lachie, I do not understand. What are all of those numbers
>>> representitive of?
>>>
>>> -David of the Clan Gunn
>>> (remove 'nospram' from my e-mail address to contact)
>>
>>I'm glad you asked.
>>
>>TisS
>
>I am still lost. I mean I know he said it is some guys ranking, but what do
>the numbers represent? Are they statistics of some kind? I mean numbers with
>lables don't make a lot of sense to me. Oh well.
Sorry David, I should have provided an URL, I was merely implying, tic,
that UEFA decision as to who is classed as a European nation may be used
as the standard. Don't ask me about Israel though.
# country 96/97 97/98 98/99 99/00 00/01 rank01 nt01
1 Spain 11.600 8.428 10.000 18.571 16.611 65.210 9
2 Italy 10.142 12.285 12.000 12.000 9.812 56.239 8
3 England 7.400 7.785 7.437 14.500 14.166 51.288 6
4 Germany 9.142 11.000 6.357 11.071 11.062 48.632 8
5 France 7.125 6.800 8.642 10.285 9.500 42.352 6
6 Netherlands 6.250 6.833 4.833 6.250 6.083 30.249 6
7 Turkey 6.875 4.400 3.200 7.750 7.750 29.975 4
8 Greece 3.500 6.500 6.200 5.416 6.750 28.366 6
9 Russia 2.750 9.875 7.000 4.250 3.833 27.708 6
10 Portugal 7.400 3.416 3.500 5.833 6.125 26.274 4
11 Czech Republic 3.666 4.875 2.250 8.000 6.000 24.791 4
12 Belgium 4.500 3.900 5.500 3.250 7.000 24.150 5
13 Ukraine 1.500 5.625 7.333 5.375 4.000 23.833 4
It makes more sense if you have a look at the page.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/crank01.html
CandL
<snip>
> > Mind you he still can't stand your sit-coms on the TV and as an ex cop
really can't
> > accept that your police stations are as chaotic as they are portrayed or
that there
> > are so many red necked sheriffs, so we never ever watch that kind of
show.
>
> He isn't the only one who dislikes them. For petes sake, don't think that
our real
> police stations are like that. That is like saying ER, which I love, was
typical of
> hospital emergency rooms. The staff wouldn't be able to last one shift if
that was the
> case. Can you tell I'm a retired RN? BG
It has just occurred to me..... 'all them Scots over there' ;-) object to
the 'romanticisation' (sp) and distortion of the Highland culture and yet we
ALL have to put up with the same sort of distortion... it's human nature to
simplify and pigeon hole things. I cringe when I think of the effects
that the Crocodile Man, Neighbours, Home and Away, Sir Les and their ilk
have on overseas perceptions of Australia and its culture.
UK and US items that are included on our News broadcasts tend to emphasis
the negatives, but then it only seems to be sensational and extreme articles
that are reported on anywhere these days. I got tired of the repetition
and don't bother watching anymore.
--
Lena G
phred
CandL wrote in message <8jZX6.78727$hV3.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
>the negatives, but then it only seems to be sensational and extreme
articles
>that are reported on anywhere these days. I got tired of the repetition
>and don't bother watching anymore.
>--
>
>Lena G
Our news broadcasts here in the US are all negative and sensational. If
anyone from out of the country were to judge us by them, no one would ever
travel here.
Even within the US people judge other parts by what they see on the
television.
Odysseus
>
> Our news broadcasts here in the US are all negative and sensational. If
> anyone from out of the country were to judge us by them, no one would ever
> travel here.
> Even within the US people judge other parts by what they see on the
> television.
Just tagging onto the 'live end' of this thread, which started with a
story about a boy being censured for wearing a kilt ...
I just saw a brief news item about a Michigan high-school student, a
piper, who wore Highland dress to his junior prom. Apparently his _sgian
dubh_ fell foul of the school's "zero tolerance" policy on weapons and
he is to be expelled. Anyone in the USA with more details on this story?
--Odysseus
David of the Clan Gunn
>I just saw a brief news item about a Michigan high-school student, a
>piper, who wore Highland dress to his junior prom. Apparently his _sgian
>dubh_ fell foul of the school's "zero tolerance" policy on weapons and
>he is to be expelled. Anyone in the USA with more details on this story?
>
>--Odysseus
I had not seen this news article, but if what you say is true, I could
understand them not wanting him to wear his Sgian Dubh. I mean, when I go to
church or anyplace else where a weapon is inappropriate (like the grocery
store), I just don't wear it. I don't think it is needed. Just MHO. Again I
don't know anything about this story, I would, of course, like to hear more
before I made up my mind.