McKenzie roots in Jamaica??

[Ed & Joyce Thomas]

Sean MacUisdin wrote:

> marva wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have recently begun tracing my family history. My family is from Jamaica.
> > My father was named Rainford Jackson, born Nov 2, 1934 or 35. My grandmother
> > Iris Jackson gave him her name rather than his father's after she chose not
> > to marry my father's father. My father's father's name was McKenzie
> >
> > I understand that McKenzie is a Scottish name. My father had told us before
> > he
> > died that we were not only part African, part Chinese, part Irish, etc...
> > but also part Scottish.
> >
> > Does anyone know of any McKenzie's who migrated to Jamaica or to the West
> > Indies?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your feedback.
> >
> > marva
>
> Hmmmmmmm. I think some research into the Highland regiments might shed
> some light. Depending on the date, some Highland regiments did see
> service in the West Indies, though this was mainly in the 18th century
> Perhaps that might help. Lord Seaforth's 78th (MacKenzies) was not one
> of them though.
>
> Sean of Clan Uisdin
>
> There was a lot of trade going on during the 18th Century in the West Indies and
> many Scots & English settled there.

Tiss

[Mark R. Letham]

In article <7hqevk$822$1...@starburst.uk.insnet.net>, "marva"
<ma...@realitycom.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have recently begun tracing my family history. My family is from Jamaica.
>My father was named Rainford Jackson, born Nov 2, 1934 or 35. My grandmother
>Iris Jackson gave him her name rather than his father's after she chose not
>to marry my father's father. My father's father's name was McKenzie
>
>I understand that McKenzie is a Scottish name. My father had told us before
>he
>died that we were not only part African, part Chinese, part Irish, etc...
>but also part Scottish.
>
>Does anyone know of any McKenzie's who migrated to Jamaica or to the West
>Indies?
>
>Thanks in advance for your feedback.
>
>marva
>

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Marva,

There is a Mackenzie email list that addresses geneology. Send an
email to this address CLAN-MACKENZ...@rootsweb.com and put
"subscribe" in the subject line (no quotes). It may take a while to get
answers but the subscribers are very knowledgeable.

Yours Aye,

Mark

[marva]

[Sean MacUisdin]

marva wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have recently begun tracing my family history. My family is from Jamaica.
> My father was named Rainford Jackson, born Nov 2, 1934 or 35. My grandmother
> Iris Jackson gave him her name rather than his father's after she chose not
> to marry my father's father. My father's father's name was McKenzie
>
> I understand that McKenzie is a Scottish name. My father had told us before
> he
> died that we were not only part African, part Chinese, part Irish, etc...
> but also part Scottish.
>
> Does anyone know of any McKenzie's who migrated to Jamaica or to the West
> Indies?
>
> Thanks in advance for your feedback.
>
> marva

Hmmmmmmm. I think some research into the Highland regiments might shed

some light. Depending on the date, some Highland regiments did see
service in the West Indies, though this was mainly in the 18th century
Perhaps that might help. Lord Seaforth's 78th (MacKenzies) was not one
of them though.

Sean of Clan Uisdin

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[marva]

thanks very much for that info. i am looking for information from the
1800's.

bye for now.

marva

Sean MacUisdin <macu...@home.com> wrote in message
news:3740C8C...@home.com...

[Lesley Robertson]

marva wrote in message <7hqevk$822$1...@starburst.uk.insnet.net>...

>Hi,
>
>I have recently begun tracing my family history. My family is from Jamaica.
>My father was named Rainford Jackson, born Nov 2, 1934 or 35. My
grandmother
>Iris Jackson gave him her name rather than his father's after she chose not
>to marry my father's father. My father's father's name was McKenzie
>
>I understand that McKenzie is a Scottish name. My father had told us before
>he
>died that we were not only part African, part Chinese, part Irish, etc...
>but also part Scottish.
>
>Does anyone know of any McKenzie's who migrated to Jamaica or to the West
>Indies?

I don't know anything specifically about your name, but it was common to
send sons out to the Indies to work, when it was all part of the Empire. The
last Chief of Clan Donnachaidh lived in Kingston (the current one lives in
London). If you're looking for source of information, you might find the
group soc.genealogy.west-indies useful - there's some very helpful people
there. They should certainly be able to help with info on how to find birth,
marriage and death certificates, as well as baptismal records.
good luck,
Lesley Robertson

[Phydeaux]

Hey Lesley,

I tho't that Gilbert Robertson of Struan (latest Chief of Clan Donnachaidh)
lived in Kent, England, where he is an apple farmer. That was the last word
I'd heard when he visited this wonderful country. We received a visit from
he and Bridget (his lovely wife) during their visits to various Clan D.
society branches in parts of the country. Has he moved, or perhaps you're
placing him in London, sort of like some place people who live in Tacoma, WA
as living in Seattle and similar generalizations?

Lesley Robertson wrote in message <7hr8ei$5ba$1...@news.tudelft.nl>...
>
<skipped stuff>

>I don't know anything specifically about your name, but it was common to
>send sons out to the Indies to work, when it was all part of the Empire.
The
>last Chief of Clan Donnachaidh lived in Kingston (the current one lives in

>London). <skipped stuff>

>good luck,
>Lesley Robertson
>
>
>

[Lesley Robertson]

Phydeaux wrote in message ...

>Hey Lesley,
>
>I tho't that Gilbert Robertson of Struan (latest Chief of Clan Donnachaidh)
>lived in Kent, England, where he is an apple farmer. That was the last
word
>I'd heard when he visited this wonderful country. We received a visit from
>he and Bridget (his lovely wife) during their visits to various Clan D.
>society branches in parts of the country. Has he moved, or perhaps you're
>placing him in London, sort of like some place people who live in Tacoma,
WA
>as living in Seattle and similar generalizations?

Last time I met him (about 20 years ago) he was in London - haven't paid a
lot of attention since then. It wasn't the point of my message - that
numbers of scots went to the W.Indies - but no doubt pin-point accuracy is
needed in these things.
Lesley Robertson

[Phydeaux]

To answer Lesley (not to drag this thread out beyond necessity --- oops, I
think I already did!):
Lesley Robertson wrote in message <7i33nk$6qm$1...@news.tudelft.nl>...

Actually, you're right. About 20 years ago, he was in London, working in
one gov't organization or another in some management or financial consulting
position or another. Since then, he left gov't employ and began his apple
farms. But his son is studying at Edinburgh and is reclaiming some more of
his Scots heritage! And, also, I believe that Struan did get his education
in the W. Indies, but I'm not clear on that. 'Tis been about 5 to 7 years
since I last saw him. But also, you're right; whether by clearances, going
to where one could earn a living, or other reasons, there are more Scots and
even Scots chiefs living outside Scotland than ever before. In fact, there
are some recognized Scots chiefs who are citizens of other countries than
Scotland. The recently recognized (and now deceased) Chief of Clan Russell
was a retired Marine Gunnery Sergeant living in Renton, WA, USA and a
citizen of same. Yet he was able to prove his claim and take his place
among the chiefs of the clans. Crazier things have happened, I'm sure.

[Lady C]

In May of 1747 approximately 160 Jacobite prisoners were taken to Liverpool
and put on the ship HMS Veteran, to be transported to the leeward islands.
About a month out (June 5) the ship was set upon by the French Privateer
ship Dimond. The prisoners were taken off the ship and it was sunk. The
prisoners were set free on the island of Martineque. There were MacKenzies
amongst these prisoners. Some of them of their off spring may have migrated
to Jamaica.

Lesley Robertson wrote in message <7hr8ei$5ba$1...@news.tudelft.nl>...

>
>marva wrote in message <7hqevk$822$1...@starburst.uk.insnet.net>...
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have recently begun tracing my family history. My family is from
Jamaica.
>>My father was named Rainford Jackson, born Nov 2, 1934 or 35. My
>grandmother
>>Iris Jackson gave him her name rather than his father's after she chose
not
>>to marry my father's father. My father's father's name was McKenzie
>>
>>I understand that McKenzie is a Scottish name. My father had told us
before
>>he
>>died that we were not only part African, part Chinese, part Irish, etc...
>>but also part Scottish.
>>
>>Does anyone know of any McKenzie's who migrated to Jamaica or to the West
>>Indies?
>
>

>I don't know anything specifically about your name, but it was common to
>send sons out to the Indies to work, when it was all part of the Empire.
The
>last Chief of Clan Donnachaidh lived in Kingston (the current one lives in

[an...@executiveoasis.com]

I don't know if we are connected with the same branch but I just found out a few days ago that I am descended from the branch that settled in Upper Clarendon.

I have gathered quite a few documents for Mckenzies in the communities of Inverness, Orange River, Blackwoods, Kelett's a.k.a. Keltiss, Arthur's Seat, etc.

[davidmac...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 9:25:25 AM UTC-4, an...@executiveoasis.com wrote:
> I don't know if we are connected with the same branch but I just found out a few days ago that I am descended from the branch that settled in Upper Clarendon.
>
> I have gathered quite a few documents for Mckenzies in the communities of Inverness, Orange River, Blackwoods, Kelett's a.k.a. Keltiss, Arthur's Seat, etc.

Alexander McKenzie, the Baronet of Darien, was part of the Darien settlement in Panama that failed in 1798. In 1799, he fled to Jamaica and established the Farenough sugar plantation. His great grandson Arthur McKenzie owned the Arthur's Seat Estate in Jamaica. I would love to see any documents regarding the Arthur's Seat Estate that you might have as I believe that I might be a descendant of his brother Alexander who left the island and possibly returned to Scotland.

[an...@executiveoasis.com]

Yes it is the same family. Arthur McKenzie also owned Inverness:

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/person/view/2146640891


My great great-great grandfather was Dr. George McKenzie and his children were christened at Inverness where he died 2 years later in 1803. On that basis, I believe he was the son of Arthur McKenzie.

Here you can access information about Arthur's estates owned by one of his son's, also named Arthur, at this point:

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/person/view/2146640891

These is one of the slave registers:


- 1820 Starting at the bottom of the page:

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1129/CSUK1817_133585-00249?pid=381474&backurl=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DlIH920%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26db%3DBritishSlaves%26gss%3Dangs-d%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26gskw%3Darthur%2520McKenzie%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3D6p5%26pcat%3D35%26fh%3D0%26h%3D381474%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D1&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=lIH920&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true#?imageId=CSUK1817_133585-00248

[pkdes...@gmail.com]

My McKenzie family is from Seaforth Town in Jamaica. There must be some link with Lord Seaforth.

On Monday, May 17, 1999 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, Ed & Joyce Thomas wrote:
> Sean MacUisdin wrote:
>
> > marva wrote:
> > >

> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have recently begun tracing my family history. My family is from Jamaica.
> > > My father was named Rainford Jackson, born Nov 2, 1934 or 35. My grandmother
> > > Iris Jackson gave him her name rather than his father's after she chose not
> > > to marry my father's father. My father's father's name was McKenzie
> > >
> > > I understand that McKenzie is a Scottish name. My father had told us before
> > > he
> > > died that we were not only part African, part Chinese, part Irish, etc...
> > > but also part Scottish.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know of any McKenzie's who migrated to Jamaica or to the West
> > > Indies?
> > >

> > > Thanks in advance for your feedback.
> > >
> > > marva
> >
> > Hmmmmmmm. I think some research into the Highland regiments might shed
> > some light. Depending on the date, some Highland regiments did see
> > service in the West Indies, though this was mainly in the 18th century
> > Perhaps that might help. Lord Seaforth's 78th (MacKenzies) was not one
> > of them though.
> >
> > Sean of Clan Uisdin
> >

[myrn...@hotmail.com]

Hello my name is Myrna I was born in Spanish town Jamaica in 1958. I, like yourself am very interested in my family history. My grandmother was half Scottish and the man she had my mother with ( born in 1933) was a McKenzie!!!!
All I know about McKenzie is that he was a ship builder or worked on ships. It was not the done thing in those days for mixed relationships but I would love to know my grandmother's story but I dont know where to start.

[chrisever...@gmail.com]

My grandfather, great grandfather and great great grandfather are McKenzies from Jamaica.

[jill...@yahoo.com]

Your talking about my family. I found out that Peter McKenzie was my Great Grandfather 4 times Great, had a son with an unknown lady as I do not know her name for now. His son was Adams McKenzie born 23 MAR 1779 • Clarendon, Jamaica. Arthur McKenzie moved to Victoria Australia. He married and had two children and died in Australia.

[Kurimeo Nun Hawah]

Must realize that Scottish people especially in colonial times were primary dark skin "swarthy" "negro" people too. .. Many of the McKenzies were Jacobite prisoners who have been documented to be of dark skin. just like King James and the Stuart clan.
Check out my YouTube channel : Kurimeo Ahau

[Petal]

Hi Folks,

We're relatives then. And funnily enough, I live on Orcas Island in Washington. I found out about the family history 3 years ago after discovering 200 relatives in London that were estranged from my mother. I've been doing research for about 3 years and found the genealogy going back 357 years in Jamaica.

I'd love to be in touch!

Petal L

[Petal]

Hi Folks,

We're relatives then. McKenzies from Clarendon - Darien Expedition, etc. And funnily enough, I live on Orcas Island in Washington. I found out about the family history 3 years ago after discovering 200 relatives in London that were estranged from my mother. I've been doing research for about 3 years and found the genealogy going back 357 years in Jamaica.

I'd love to be in touch!

Petal L

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 8:07:14 PM UTC-7, an...@executiveoasis.com wrote:

[Petal]

[Dhu on Gate]

Scotch/Scottish/Gaulic influences in Jamaica are as old as Port Royal:
most of Henryy Morgan's crew began their sailing days on the Irish sea,
and _Dreadlocks_ don't come from Africa ;-)

Dhu


--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
Duncan Patton the Campbell

[Dhu on Gate]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:16:47 +0000, Dhu on Gate wrote:

> On Fri, 20 May 2022 21:36:36 -0700, Petal wrote:
>
>> On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 3:18:35 PM UTC-7, davidmac...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 9:25:25 AM UTC-4, an...@executiveoasis.com wrote:
>>> > I don't know if we are connected with the same branch but I just found out a few days ago that I am descended from the branch that settled in Upper Clarendon.
>>> >
>>> > I have gathered quite a few documents for Mckenzies in the communities of Inverness, Orange River, Blackwoods, Kelett's a.k.a. Keltiss, Arthur's Seat, etc.
>>> Alexander McKenzie, the Baronet of Darien, was part of the Darien settlement in Panama that failed in 1798. In 1799, he fled to Jamaica and established the Farenough sugar plantation. His great grandson Arthur McKenzie owned the Arthur's Seat Estate in Jamaica. I would love to see any documents regarding the Arthur's Seat Estate that you might have as I believe that I might be a descendant of his brother Alexander who left the island and possibly returned to Scotland.
>

But wait, something's wrong here. The Darien was abandoned in 1700, so
you might be late by a C on your ancestor...

Dhu