Robert the Bruce and the Stewart Clan
Brian P. Combs
I've read that Robert the Bruce's daughter, along with Walter
the Steward, was the mother of the Stewart Clan.
What exactly does that mean? Are those of us who come from
the Stewart Clan (like myself) related to Robert the Bruce?
I know this is probably a stupid question, but I'm just not
sure were else to ask.
Brian Combs
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Matt Price
co...@awpi.com (Brian P. Combs) wrote:
>I've read that Robert the Bruce's daughter, along with Walter
>the Steward, was the mother of the Stewart Clan.
>What exactly does that mean? Are those of us who come from
>the Stewart Clan (like myself) related to Robert the Bruce?
I read in the World Book that Robert the Bruce had a son, but
after that the line ended. It was from here the Stewart line
started, but hey, I could be wrong too, :). I looked it up under
Scottish history.
>I know this is probably a stupid question, but I'm just not
>sure were else to ask.
Well, it is Scottish clans. Curiously enough, I thought this
particular clan was spelt Stuart, well, I presume so anyway
because everyone in my family line gets "Stuart" added as
their 3rd christian name, and I was told we were the Scottish
kings...
MattyP!
Gordon Douglas Duffus
Robert I (1306-1329)married Isabella of Mar
Their daughter, Marjory (d.1316), married Walter Stewart (d.1326)
Roberts' son, from a second marraige, became David II (1329-1371)
Marjorys' son became Robert II (1371-1390). This was the beginning of the
Royal House of Stewart.
David LaMora
Gordon-
Watch out, this is a long one.
In article <4o4av6$o...@news12.erols.com> Gordon Douglas Duffus wrote:
>Robert I (1306-1329)married Isabella of Mar
>Their daughter, Marjory (d.1316), married Walter Stewart (d.1326)
what is this a response to? I have this information (heavily edited for EZ
reading. I have the dates.):
...and they had a son, King Robert II, who married Elizabeth Mure and had
King Robert III who married Annabella Drummond and had
King James I, who married Joan Beaufort, then married Muriella Keith
and had
Marjory Stuart, who married Duncan, 6th Lord Campbell. They had
Archibald Campbell who married Elizabeth Somerville. They had
Colin Campbell, 1st Earl of Argyle, who married Elizabeth Stuart. They
had
Donald Campbell, Lord Privy Seal (what the heck is that?), who married
XXXX? and had
Sir James Campbell, who married Lady Mary Montifex, and had
Lady Margaret Campbell, who married Alexander MacGregor, and had
Alexander MacGregor ("born in Cargill, Scotland, 1610, captured by
Oliver Cromewll at the Battle of Worcester in 1651, sentenced to have his
name proscribed from MacGregor to Magruder, and with 150 other prisoners was
sent to the Maryland Colony of Americaa. He was bound to some colonist for
eight years service. He is thought to have married and started a family in
Scotland before his exile, and had had a son Robert MacGregor educated in
Edinburgh, who also came to America afterwards.") who married Margaret
Braithwaite in America. They had
Colonel Samuel Magruder who married Sarah Beall and had
Ninian Magruder who married Elizabeth Brewer and had
Samuel Magruder, the Third, who married Margaret Jackson and had
Ninian Beall Magruder, who married Rebecca Young and had
Cassandra Magruder who married William Drane*. They had
Dr. William P. Drane who married Martha Hughes Winfrey, and had
Walter Hugh Drane, who married Mary Frances Spencer and had
Prof. Walter Hugh Drane II, who married Mary Louise Brannon and had
Dr. Walter Hugh Drane III, who married Myrtle Inez Barnes and had
Dorsey Barnes Drane who married Penelope Anne LaMora and had
Sharley Beth Drane...
That's me!
Any relatives out there? Does this help anybody?
Sharley LaMora (nee Sharley Beth Drane)
*William Drane's earliest traceable ancestor is James Drane, born in
1666 in America, and his father may have been from Scotland. Speculation has
it that he also was one of the 150 prisoners. No one cared who the prisoners
were, apparantly. Is there anyplace in Scotland that can tell us about them?
Robert A. Stewart
Tartans" by Roddy Matine, printed by Maintstream Publishing Edinburgh
and London, The Royal House of Stewart began with Robert II, Grandson of
Robert the Bruce. His father was Malcolm IV, High Steward of Scotland.
When Malcolm married the King's Daughter, the name changed to Stewart.
This is essentially because the Steward was a step below the royal
family, which nolonger applied to Malcolm and his decendants.
The STUART spelling is related to the French language. Mary Queen of
Scots married the King of France. French is a phonetic language and had
no W. To get the correct sound, the "U" was used in place of the proper
spelling. Hence two different spellings of the same family's name.
Which is the proper? Anyone have any comments on that one. My
grandmother would tell you Stewart is the correct spelling.
Ceilidh Croft
It was my understanding that there were two separate clans altogether:
Stewart and Stuart
David LaMora
In article <4oq8g8$1c...@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> Ceilidh Croft wrote:
>It was my understanding that there were two separate clans altogether:
>Stewart and Stuart
>
I had heard that, as well, however, when I look it up, they are usually
spelled one after the other. From my understanding of this writing, they
suggest that the Stewarts are originally related, and were prolific enough to
have spread throughout the Lowlands and various branches established
different clans - Appin, Atholl, Bute, etc. However, all spelled the name
as Stewart until Queen Mary's time.
(From "Scottish Clan and Family Names, Their Arms, Origins and Tartans" by
Roddy Martine, foreward by Sir Malcolm Innes of Edinginght CVO Lord Lyon King
of Arms, published 1992 by Mainstream Publishing Co. (Edinburgh) Ltd.)
"Note that the name of Stewart used by the Royal House was Spelled Stuart
after Mary, Queen of Scots' time in France."
This is the Stewart line that I refer to in the ancestral line I typed. Are
you related as well? It's a pretty fantastic (and I mean that in the more
surreal sense) lineage, yet, when one thinks of the exponential factor of
siring offspring, one can think that there are a great many out there. What
is weird, though, is that our line, the Walter Hugh Drane line has dwindled
down to my Brother and his two sons, WHD IV and Dylan Baily Drane. Also,
this is sort of humbling, but I begin to feel like I am the first laborer in
an ancient line of kings and upper class landed men. But then, I can always
rest assured that it doesn't matter since I am a female, anyway...:-)
Would you like me to copy some more of this book's part on Stewart as e-mail
to you?
ga...@usa.pipeline.com
On Jun 03, 1996 21:34:20 in article <Re: Robert the Bruce and the Stewart
Clan>, 'DLa...@gnn.com (David LaMora)' wrote:
>This is the Stewart line that I refer to in the ancestral line I typed.
Are
>you related as well? It's a pretty fantastic (and I mean that in the more
>surreal sense) lineage, yet, when one thinks of the exponential factor of
>siring offspring, one can think that there are a great many out there.
What is
>weird, though, is that our line, the Walter Hugh Drane line has dwindled
down
>to my Brother and his two sons, WHD IV and Dylan Baily Drane. Also, this
is
>sort of humbling, but I begin to feel like I am the first laborer in an
ancient
>line of kings and upper class landed men. But then, I can always rest
assured
>that it doesn't matter since I am a female, anyway...:-)
You silly person you. Of course your part of the line counts. The line
does not just go through your brother. Should you so choose....keep your
birth name after you marry. Give it to your children. I did it. I was
born a Douglass (before, during and after my divorce) and my daughters last
name is Douglass.
>
Sandy
Scott Jorgensen
ga...@usa.pipeline.com wrote:
(snipped)
> >line of kings and upper class landed men. But then, I can always rest
> assured
> >that it doesn't matter since I am a female, anyway...:-)
>
> You silly person you. Of course your part of the line counts. The line
> does not just go through your brother. Should you so choose....keep your
> birth name after you marry. Give it to your children. I did it. I was
> born a Douglass (before, during and after my divorce) and my daughters last
> name is Douglass.
> >
>
>
> Sandy
Kudos to Sandy! More women ought to be doing this. The "maiden
name" travesty has implanted the erroneous idea that the mother's line
simply does not count.
gu nu slan An Mhathir,
Scott Jorgensen Clan Mitchell
psa...@ix.netcom.com
David LaMora wrote:
>
> In article <4oq8g8$1c...@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> Ceilidh Croft wrote:
> >It was my understanding that there were two separate clans altogether:
> >Stewart and Stuart
> >
The names Stewart, Stuart and Steward (and some others) are
all from the same clan(s), the name Stuart came into being
when the clan had exiles living in France hence the french
spelling of the name - Stuart. With French being the
language of the court in Mary's reign, her name was spelled
Mary Stuart. Stewart/Steward is from the clan being "The
Stewards of Scotland". The origional celtic spelling of the
name is "Stilbhard". All of the various
Stewart/Stuart/Steward/ect clan names seem to have
originated with the same individual that helped William of
Orange take England in 1066. He is the earliest documented
"Stewart". See the Royal Genealogy of Scotland for more
info.
DOBSCAN
In article <4p0e9q$1...@news-e2c.gnn.com>, DLa...@gnn.com (David LaMora)
writes:
>
>This is the Stewart line that I refer to in the ancestral line I typed.
Are
>you related as well? It's a pretty fantastic (and I mean that in the
more
>surreal sense) lineage, yet, when one thinks of the exponential factor of
>siring offspring, one can think that there are a great many out there.
What
>is weird, though, is that our line, the Walter Hugh Drane line has
dwindled
>down to my Brother and his two sons, WHD IV and Dylan Baily Drane. Also,
>this is sort of humbling, but I begin to feel like I am the first laborer
in
>an ancient line of kings and upper class landed men. But then, I can
always
>rest assured that it doesn't matter since I am a female, anyway...:-)
>
>
There is nothing wrong with labour or doing it and my dear lady you are
not the first nor with the grace of God will you be last labourer to bear
the name of the Royal House of Stuart/Stewart. Think of all the lives that
were gladly laid down so your ancestors and you could be in America today.
It brings shame that you would assume a less that rebelious posture
considering the royal blood that pumps in your hart.
DM
DOBSCAN
Your line matters more because you are a woman, my god lassie you are a
Stuart get your head out of the sand (That was cleaned up because you are
a woman) Do you have any idea of the misery that was done to men women
and wee bairns so that one day the hope of one of your kin taking the
rightful throne could be realised??? My god lassie read a bloody book.
DM
David LaMora
Didn't anybody note the grin at the end of my post? :-). Besides, I am under
the impression that there are some Windsors with a pretty good lock on the
throne...(grin again :-)) On the down side, I've been married for 17 years,
and no bairns have arrived as yet. Who knows. But, we're still working on
it (another grin ;-)), and with a little help from the Doctors...
It's nice to be answered, though. Where are you located? It's nice to see
dialect coming through the Internet. Someday I hope to visit Scotland. It
would be nice to actually visit someone I know.
Sharley
DOBSCAN
In article <4q57s9$9...@news-e2b.gnn.com>, DLa...@gnn.com (David LaMora)
writes:
>It's nice to be answered, though. Where are you located? It's nice to
see
>dialect coming through the Internet. Someday I hope to visit Scotland.
It
>would be nice to actually visit someone I know.
Visit hell!!! Tell us when you are going and we can call a gathering and
take over the thrown.
BTW. Can you do it on a Saturday ? I wash the car on Sunday.
dave MacLean
YrStorm
A rebellion is it?!! Saturdays are good!!
Kristin (Stewart) Mineah
Cynde D. Beals
In article <4qaj9q$2...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
This Sat. isn't good for me, we're having a Highland Games - too much
planning involved to skuttle it at the last minute ;}
Cynde
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And drat it all, I have to work weekends, so I'll miss both the scuffle
and the Games.
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