Makgill's a sept of Clan Donald?

[Irishkit39]

Hello,
I am looking for information on how and when the Clan Makgill became a sept of
the Clan Donald.
I understand that the Makgill's and the Donald's have a common ancestor [that
of Gillie, father of 1. Gilbert (Gillie) who was father of Somerled; 2.Malcolf
or Malbueth; 3.Crinan (father of Duncan I, King of the Scots)and perhaps
4.Torfin].
If Somerled's father was Lord of the North Isles and Malcolf was Lord of the
Sudreys (Southern Isles) and of Galloway, how then did Clan Donald acquire the
Makgill's as a sept? And just when did this happen?

Thanks for any help in this matter,
Irish

[Logger_o]

"Irish" wrote:
> I am looking for information on how and when the Clan Makgill became a
sept of
> the Clan Donald.

Snip...

Now I really hope you can take a good joke... I often help people who are
looking for the clan that might be associated with a particular name.

(Notice! I did not say actual connection. Determining an actual connection
takes a lot more research than looking for your name on some list)

I have often pointed out the Clan Donald list and subjested if you don't
find you anywhere else, they could probably pencil you in... (Note: Clan
Donald has the longest list of recognized sept names)

Iain...

[Irishkit39]

Thanks Iain ! !
That's what I thought too ! I have not received a reply from Clan Donald
regarding the Makgills. My letter must have put someone into heart failure.
Geez someone wants "proof" . . . go figure lol

Irish

[LVKiltie8703]

>Subject: Re: Makgill's a sept of Clan Donald?
>From: "Logger_o" Logg...@email.msn.com
>Date: 8/27/01 7:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <weDi7.1541$tV6....@eagle.america.net>

Hi Ian, Kiltie here. I did a short piece on the derivation of Macgill for a
member of our St. Andrews here in Las Vegas. If you send me your E-mail address
I will send you an attachment. Bye for now, Charles Hamilton Leitch.

[Irishkit39]

Hello, Kiltie
I would like a copy, please!
Irish

[Odysseus]

LVKiltie8703 wrote:

> Hi Ian, Kiltie here. I did a short piece on the derivation of Macgill for a
> member of our St. Andrews here in Las Vegas. If you send me your E-mail address
> I will send you an attachment. Bye for now, Charles Hamilton Leitch.

I think your posting it to the NG would not be unwelcome -- even if it's
long it would doubtless be on-topic!

--Odysseus

[LVKiltie8703]

Hi Odysseus, Kiltie here. I would like to do that, but each time I have tried
it in the past, it aborts. If you too would like an attachment of Macgill, I
can send you one also,just send me your E-mail address. Charles Hamilton
Leitch, a member of St Andrews Society and of Clan Donald USA.

[Helen Ramsay]

THE FAMILY NAME "MACGILL"

Scots Kith and Kin, a book which enables anyone to trace their
Scottish Heritage, states that the name MacGill is a Galloway name first
recorded in the 13th century. It further states that the name is a sept of
the MacDonald of the Isles Clan.
In many circumstances, especially of names with the patronymic "Mac",
one first looks at the root name, in this case "Gill" to determine the
Branch and Territory of the Clan, from which the name is derived.
In the membership pamphlet,"Your Clan Donald Heritage", it shows a
list of 448 names with a code after each name or sept listed within 'Clan
Donald USA. Within this total of 448 names, there are 156 Primary names,
the balance are Secondary names, derived from one of the Primary names. The
code for "MacGill" is: 60-6 I J. The 60 is a listing number which shows
that the name is a Primary name. This means that it is not derived from any
other name, including Gill. Gill, by the way is a secondary name derived
partially from MacGill. The (6) is a Branch number that show that MacGills
were part of Clan Donald South. The (I) and (J) are Keys to the Clan
Territories, within which MacGill people resided. In this case Islay and
Jura. Where multiple Branches and Territories are given, the first is the
more likely. In this case Islay is more likely than Jura.
Just for the record it shows that the name Gill has a code # 5Nm,4Sm,
6 IK (65) (60) This code shows that Gill is not a primary name but is
derived from either primary name (65) which is MacGillies or primary name
(60)which is MacGill. This shows that Gill is a curtailed name from
MacGill. The 5Nm and 4Sm states that Gill is firstly of MacDonald of
Glengarry in North Morar, and secondly of MacDonald of Clanranald in South
Morar.
George Black in his "Surnames of Scotland" shows that the name is
spelled Macgill, without the capitalizing of the "g". The Gaelic for
"Macgill" is 'Mac an ghoill' meaning "son of the Lowlander or stranger", or
"gall". He further states that "Strangers to the Gadhelic people were
called Gall, and this gave rise to surnames, such as Gauld, Gall and the
Lowland Galt".
Other uses of the word Gall in Gaelic shows up in the names Fingall
and Dubhgall, referring to fair stranger and dark stranger. These words
were also directed at the Vikings, where Fingal was in reference to the
Norwegian Vikings and Dubhgall when referring to the Danish Viking. In
common speech, Gall was pronounced as "Gaw"
A tradition held by an Aberdeen family of this name was that they
originally came from Cumberland in England, where at an early period they
owned lands in the Barony of Gillesland. Gilisland was one of the original
three Baronies of Cumberland and spelled Gillesland in 1240. It is thought
that it was in the possession of one name Gilli or Gille. Gilli is an old
Scandinavian personal name, borrowed at an earlier period from Old
Gaelic(OG) meaning a servant or a pet name from one of the Gille Surnames
such as Gillebride or Gillechrist. The abbreviated name was not used by the
Gaels as a proper name, but such usage originated among the Vikings in the
West. Black further says that the name is of great antiquity on both sides
of the border.
Macgill early became a surname first in Galloway, and it is now a
common name in the district. Black shows that the earliest usage of the
name was in 1231AD, this date being in line with the 13th century dating by
Scots Kith and Kin. It was at this time that Maurice Macgeil witnessed a
charter by Maldouen, Earl of Leuenach to the church of St. Thomas, The
Martyr, in Arbroath.
James M'Gile or M'Gill, burgess of Edinburgh, in 1550 may be the
James M'Gill or Makegill of Rankelour-Nether, afterwards Clerk of Register
in 1572.
Janet Mack Gil was charged with being a disorderlt
person,(non-conforming) in the Parish of Cross-Michal in 1684.
There were Macgills in Jura in 1702, where they were known as Clann
a' ghoill. Hugh MacGill there. who died c. 1845-50, was known as Eoghan Mac
a' ghoill.
It is said that the name may in some cases be a curtailment of Mac
Ghille mhaoil which equals MacMillan.
See also MacGall, (Gaelic MacGoill or Mac an ghoil) previously
mentioned as "stranger's son or Lowlander". There was an Andrew Macgall in
Pitcog, parish of St. Madois in 1652, and a M'Gal in Wigtownshire in 1684.
It may also represent MacCall. See also McGhoil in 1704.
The name is even commoner in Ireland, where it is said to derive from
the personal name Giolla and often takes the form Magill. James McGill,
born in Glasgow in 1774, was a successful fur-trader, who is remembered as
the founder of McGill University in Montreal, Canada.
It was a Wigtown family who produced Donald McGill (1875-1962), the
Leonardo of the comic postcard, a connoisseur of haggis, heather and hairy
knees who along with Sir Harry Lauder created the loathsome image of the
music-hall Scot;.
In conclusion, none of the different spellings shown in the last
paragraph are enumerated in Clan Donald USA's name listing, except one.
That name is MacCall. The name MacCall by its code, is a derivative of
either MacColl, primary name # (40) or MacGill, primary name # (60).