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NYS Classification for Vino, Zuma and ET2?

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Christopher James Quinn

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May 28, 2003, 7:24:16 PM5/28/03
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Since most people do not really understand the New York State Laws governing
scooters, mopeds and limited use motorcycles, I'm directing this query to
the NY scooter cognoscenti here on usenet.

I *do* understand the law, but I would like confirmation specifically from
people who have registered the following vehicles as to which class they
are. IF you are asking yourself how I can say that I understand the law,
yet I want additional confirmation, go here to see why:

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/dmvfaqs.htm#MOPEDS

It's not based upon cc's but manufacturer's claims of top speed capability.

So,

Yamaha Vino is a Class B I would guess?
Yamaha Zuma 2 - I've seen one with an "A" plate and one with a "D"( full
motorcycle ) plate (the latter may have been bogus altogether)
I'd guess it's a Class A.
Vespa Et2 - ?

Again, this is for New Yorkers who have direct experience with these, other
States' laws are completely different.

Thanks


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Christopher James Quinn
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1999 Suzuki Bandit 1200S -> Manly YES, but I like it too
1987 Honda Elite 150
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1982 Honda Urban Express Deluxe
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RG Moehs

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May 29, 2003, 5:38:54 PM5/29/03
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Hi Chris,
I live in Sullivan County NY and I have a 2002 Zuma that is registered
as a motorcycle.

Rudy

Christopher James Quinn

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May 29, 2003, 7:22:40 PM5/29/03
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"RG Moehs" <r...@fcc.net> wrote in message
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Thanks Rudy. So presumably your plate number has a 'D' as its third
character? And you received a full title , not a transferrable
registration?

Thanks again.

RG Moehs

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May 30, 2003, 4:47:53 PM5/30/03
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Yes the 3rd character is a "D" and I recieved a title from the state
after registration. Interesting about the "D", I have 3 other bikes and
I see they all have the "D" in them, this designates a motorcycle or is
it broader in scope than that?

Christopher James Quinn

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May 30, 2003, 5:56:38 PM5/30/03
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"RG Moehs" <r...@fcc.net> wrote in message
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> Yes the 3rd character is a "D" and I recieved a title from the state
> after registration. Interesting about the "D", I have 3 other bikes and
> I see they all have the "D" in them, this designates a motorcycle or is
> it broader in scope than that?
>


It *appears* as though on the new plates, the third character designates the
class. My Puch is a class C (LMC Light Motorcycle class C) and the third
character is a C in the plate number. My Express is a class B and the third
character is a "B". My elite 150 is a full motorcycle (Class D) and D is the
third character as on my Bandit 1200.

Note that anothter NY'er (Reuben) told me that his '02 Zuma registered as a
class A, so this is totally screwy.

John M. Stafford

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Jun 7, 2003, 2:42:22 PM6/7/03
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Whether the DMV applies the rules accurately is one thing, but the rules
are:

M/C: Any 2-wheeler 150cc or over. Freeway legal. For example a Harley
Sportster, Honda Helix, or Vespa ET4.
Class A: Any 2-wheeler less than 150cc, but capable of speeds higher than
30mph. Not freeway legal. For example a Yamaha Zuma, Italjet Torpedo, or
Vespa ET2.
Class B: Any 2-wheeler less than 50cc, and capable of speeds no higher than
30mph. Definitely not freeway legal. For example Yamaha Vino (restricted, if
you derestrict the bike it should be registered as Class A), Honda
Metropolitan, or any moped.
Class C: Any 2-wheeler capable of no more than 20mph. For example a GoPed or
a Segway.

Enjoy,
John M. Stafford

SoCalMike

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Jun 7, 2003, 3:03:11 PM6/7/03
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"John M. Stafford" <JMSta...@erols.com> wrote in message
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> Whether the DMV applies the rules accurately is one thing, but the rules
> are:
>
> M/C: Any 2-wheeler 150cc or over. Freeway legal. For example a Harley
> Sportster, Honda Helix, or Vespa ET4.
> Class A: Any 2-wheeler less than 150cc, but capable of speeds higher than
> 30mph. Not freeway legal. For example a Yamaha Zuma, Italjet Torpedo, or
> Vespa ET2.

so what would a honda elite150 be? its called a 150, but technically, its
something like 148cc's. its also capable of over 30mph, but i think it maxed
out around 60...


Christopher James Quinn

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Jun 7, 2003, 5:50:47 PM6/7/03
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"John M. Stafford" <JMSta...@erols.com> wrote in message
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This is factually incorrect in almost every single sentence, and if you had
visited the link I provided originally you would have seen that.

Please provide a reference for the 150cc claim? IT is not here:

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/dmvfaqs.htm#MOPEDS

ALSO:

- THere are no displacement limitations in NYS, only speed limitations
define class
- A limited USe motorcycle can be 2 OR 3 wheels
- Class A limited use vehicle has a speed between 30 and 40 mph
- Class B between 20 and 30mph
- class C up to 20 mph.

GoPeds are SPECIFICALLY mentioned as illegal here:

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/dmvfaqs.htm#go-ped

"You cannot register any of the motorized devices from the list below in
NYS. You cannot operate these devices on public streets or highways in NYS.
These devices are motor vehicles, but they do not have the correct equipment
or design for operation on roadways."

THough I have not heard any offical mention this, my interpretation of the
law would classify a Segway as illegal as well.

Christopher James Quinn

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Jun 7, 2003, 5:54:10 PM6/7/03
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"SoCalMike" <mikein562...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Mike:

As I pointed out already, the info provided my this poster is complete
incorrect. I have an Elite 150 and it is registered in NYS as a full
motorcycle.

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