Need Help for CH80 Elite
Sigma44
tried to change the oil. I removed the 14mm bolt on the bottom of the
engine directly in-line with the dipstick. Very little oil came out
but what did come out was a small metal cylinder with holes, capped
with a piece of plastic and a 4 inch (approx) spring. Dad's stock
started to fall at this point. I reinstalled everything the way i
thought it came out but put the spring in upside down. When I
restarted it there was a clicking sound. Took it in to the dealer and
they couldn't find the spring so installed a new one. The scoot sat
for a week there and when I restarted it, it would not idle. I raced
the engine hoping that it was just cold but ultimately it just died
out. Took it to another Honda dealer and they said they pulled a bunch
of little pieces of the spring out of the motor and said it would cost
$1200 to get the scoot running right, and at that price, I could get
another one. Its an '03 with barely 400 mi. What can I do? I now
have a service manual, and I want to know if it is possible for me to
do this myself. I have below average skill as a mechanic, but I do
know how to read. I really need some experienced advice here.
Anything I get will help.
ja...@stanleyfamily.us
problem is not uncommon. Of course you can repair the engine yourself.
But it's going to be quite a project. You will have to tear it down
completely. Then, you will need to carefully find all of the bits of
spring and check for damage on all components. If you miss damage on a
part, it may fail and wreck your newly-rebuilt engine. Once it is
apart, you might want to bring it to a Honda dealer who will give you
an experts viewpoint on what needs replacing.
You might be better off just finding a used engine.
Jack Stanley
Sigma44
ja...@stanleyfamily.us wrote:
> If you miss damage on a
> part, it may fail and wreck your newly-rebuilt engine. Once it is
> apart, you might want to bring it to a Honda dealer who will give you
> an experts viewpoint on what needs replacing.
>
> You might be better off just finding a used engine.
>
> Jack Stanley
mean? Additionally, I have been looking like a mad man for a used
engine, but have not found any. The one currently on ebay wasn't
running when it was taken out. Anyone out there have info on where to
find a used engine, rebuilt or otherwise? Or Perhaps a cheap one in
the NEw York City area that I could buy for the engine? Any comment on
this will help me. I am not very confident in my skills as a mechanic,
and would like to know what you all have to say. Every 2 cents counts.
Thanks.
phreadbarnz
If I'm not mistaken, ANY CH80 Elite engine will fit yours as Honda hasn't
changed anything but the color in the 20+ years of mfg.
Oh, and the oil drain is on the side.....
HTH
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TravlinTim (who loved his Elite80) Hansen
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Mike Gladu
"Sigma44" <met_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ja...@stanleyfamily.us wrote:
> > If you miss damage on a
> > part, it may fail and wreck your newly-rebuilt engine. Once it is
> > apart, you might want to bring it to a Honda dealer who will give you
> > an experts viewpoint on what needs replacing.
> >
> > You might be better off just finding a used engine.
> >
> > Jack Stanley
> Thanks for the input Jack. When you said rebuilt, what exactly do you
> mean? Additionally, I have been looking like a mad man for a used
> engine, but have not found any. The one currently on ebay wasn't
> running when it was taken out. Anyone out there have info on where to
> find a used engine, rebuilt or otherwise? Or Perhaps a cheap one in
> the NEw York City area that I could buy for the engine?
You don't need to find a 'running' engine - just a used one with low
miles and a good transmission. A non-running engine that still spins
should go pretty cheap.
Put the good parts from your original engine (the top end, electricals)
on any good used bottom end - that way you don't have to do an expensive
and difficult bottom end rebuild right away.
If you get the urge later on, you can do a methodical cleaning and
rebuild on the original bottom end and add the hop-up parts you can
find. You'll have a spare/backup engine waiting in the wings for when
your cheaply assembled unit wears out.
Mike G.
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SoCalMike
all i know is you arent the first one to remove the timing chain
adjuster. it might likely need a complete teardown and rebuild to get
all the spring pieces out of the bearings, oil galleries, etc...
youve got the service manual and nothing to lose, so tear it down, clean
it up, and see what happens.
SoCalMike
> Look in the yellow pages for Motorcycle Salvage yards.
> If I'm not mistaken, ANY CH80 Elite engine will fit yours as Honda hasn't
> changed anything but the color in the 20+ years of mfg.
> Oh, and the oil drain is on the side.....
and id use the newer carb setup and exhaust, of course.
> HTH
Reynaud
>Get some diff. quotes this repair sounds too high are they replacing the
>engine.
Rey
Sigma44
for someone to rebuild it for me. He doesn't have scooter experience
but he is an auto mechanic. What will the parts to the engine run me?
Should I let this guy get a crack at it for $300? I just don't know
what to do. Also, finding a replacement engine is a bit harder than I
expected. I have been looking on the net since May and the only one I
came across was on ebay yesterday and the guy said that the engine
wasn't turning. I feel like such a boob for messing with this without
a manual. In my defense, the guy who sold it to me told me that the
14mm bolt on the bottom was the oil drain. If he didn't know, I wish
he would have said so. I wanted to open her up today, but I am afraid
to. Maybe this guy will do a decent job on the scooter. Perhaps I
should just part it out and cut my losses. Any suggestions?
SoCalMike
> Thanks for all the info gentlemen. I am at a crossroads. I solicited
> for someone to rebuild it for me. He doesn't have scooter experience
> but he is an auto mechanic. What will the parts to the engine run me?
> Should I let this guy get a crack at it for $300? I just don't know
sure. its a glorified lawnmower engine. as long as he has the service
manual and a set of metric tools, it shouldnt be too hard. id just get
in there, strip down, clean it up, replace the few (hopefully) borken
parts associated with the timing chain, zip it up and voila. since it
only has 400 miles, i wouldnt mess with honing, rings, valve seals,
etc... just a straight strip/clean/replace/zip up.
did it actually run for any period of time with the tensioner like that?
if not, i dont think the metal pieces went too far.
> what to do. Also, finding a replacement engine is a bit harder than I
> expected. I have been looking on the net since May and the only one I
> came across was on ebay yesterday and the guy said that the engine
> wasn't turning. I feel like such a boob for messing with this without
> a manual. In my defense, the guy who sold it to me told me that the
> 14mm bolt on the bottom was the oil drain. If he didn't know, I wish
> he would have said so. I wanted to open her up today, but I am afraid
> to. Maybe this guy will do a decent job on the scooter. Perhaps I
> should just part it out and cut my losses. Any suggestions?
go to a couple motorcycle junkyards. all you need is one thats been in a
major front end collision. engines still fine.
Jeff
I have seen any number of engines listed. I have a CH80 and I look
there often just to watch for a windscreen. I have seen just what you
need over and over.
Just set ebay to notify you by email when an engine is listed. I think
you will find a nice one for $100 - $200 eventually.
Good luck.
Anime ga arimasu ka?
Sigma44
Jeff wrote:
> I have seen any number of engines listed. I have a CH80 and I look
> there often just to watch for a windscreen. I have seen just what you
> need over and over.
>
> Just set ebay to notify you by email when an engine is listed. I think
> you will find a nice one for $100 - $200 eventually.
>
I may have found one on the net Jeff. My question now is will an '85
engine fit / work in an '03. I have the service manual and the only
difference I see is that the '03 has more torque for the bolts going in
the frame. Same thread size. Also the oil drain area..........the '85
requires that you use a funnel to fill to the upper level of the
dipstick. The guys says the engine has 6,000+ miles and was in a front
end accident. Can this engine work for me? Thanks again to all the
wonderful help you all have been giving. I live in New York City, and
this kind of help only comes when you give someone money. Thanks all.
I really appreciate the help.
Jeff
If I were doing it, I would try to check out the seller. Has he sold
previously and are the buyers satisfied?
Sort of depends on the cost as well.
I have never taken an engine off, but the service manual lays it out in
detail.
Just 3 pages.
I don't know why scooters running into the backs of cars seems to occur
so often. I know that I have had a few close calls that would have been
my fault.
Maybe my driving style of the throttle being full on or off.
At any rate, engines are more plentiful than others I have seen, since
the CH80 has been around so long and is still being made.
Anime ga arimasu ka?
SoCalMike
> Jeff wrote:
>
>>I have seen any number of engines listed. I have a CH80 and I look
>>there often just to watch for a windscreen. I have seen just what you
>>need over and over.
>>
>>Just set ebay to notify you by email when an engine is listed. I think
>>you will find a nice one for $100 - $200 eventually.
>>
>
> Thanks Jeff et. al.,
>
> I may have found one on the net Jeff. My question now is will an '85
> engine fit / work in an '03. I have the service manual and the only
> difference I see is that the '03 has more torque for the bolts going in
> the frame. Same thread size. Also the oil drain area..........the '85
> requires that you use a funnel to fill to the upper level of the
> dipstick. The guys says the engine has 6,000+ miles and was in a front
> end accident. Can this engine work for me?
yes.
you will need to use the 03 carburetor and intake manifold- the '85 was
a crappy design. everything else should be identical. id probably use as
many of the 03 parts as practical. starter, exhaust, belt/clutch/pulley.
hell- you could even use the 03 head/valves/camshaft and the
piston/rings/bore (i think!) if you want to go to that much trouble.
Sigma44
> you will need to use the 03 carburetor and intake manifold- the '85 was
> a crappy design. everything else should be identical. id probably use as
> many of the 03 parts as practical. starter, exhaust, belt/clutch/pulley.
>
> hell- you could even use the 03 head/valves/camshaft and the
> piston/rings/bore (i think!) if you want to go to that much trouble
Thanks again SoCalMike. I will be using only the engine and oil pump.
The guy says that the flywheel is still attached. Is it ok to use it?
All the other parts are still on the bike. I don't want to go to the
trouble of using major '03 engine parts because I am not very much of a
mechanic. i will just snatch out the engine and put in the '85 engine.
Question to all. Do I need to use the '85 flywheel? One last
question. Would I be better off trying to clean out the '03 engine?
The guy I was gettin to help me do all this is starting to flake on me.
What is the likelyhood that I could do this all myself. Engine
rebuild or replace. Thanks again to all. By the Way, I called New
York Honda and they want $400 to swap an engine on the Elite 80. Gotta
luv the scooter web group.