Police road checks on 50ccs?
Erick T. Barkhuis
In the Netherlands, the police conduct checks on 50cc scooters and
mopeds, using "test benches". They set them up at unpredictable spots
all over the country every day. Often, they pick spots nearby schools or
malls. Police on motorbikes even pick up scooterists from the wide area
and order them to go to the test bench.
A number of web sites report these spots based upon phone calls from
scooterists, who pass this information to the webmasters immediately for
the benefit of others.
50ccs must be restricted to 45 km/h here, but most scooters are
derestricted. If caught, you're fined 60-250 euros depending on the
severity.
I'm just curious to know if this is also the case in other countries
where 50ccs must be restricted. Do the police conduct such tests in your
country as well? If so, what if you're caught?
--
Erick
Alan Watts
are on a road that does not go downhill, they pull over 50cc scoots going
faster than the restricted speed. If you can't show a motorcycle license,
you're in trouble.
"Erick T. Barkhuis" <spam...@webwax.nl> wrote in message
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Paul Topping
Or do they take the scoots apart?
Dr Zoidberg
In the uk most 50cc scots are being ridden as mopeds and should be
restricted to 30mph as well.
In practice most are derestricted (mine was) and are therefore illegal.
The specific offence is "Riding otherwise than in accordance with a licence"
for which you would typically get a £60 fine and 3 points on your licence.
[1]
As for actually checking scooters , I never saw any organised roadside
testing.
The only time you are likely to be checked is if you are caught speeding or
are involved in a big accident.
The vast majority of police in the uk wouldn't spot a derestricted 'ped even
if it was right infront of them.
[1] In the first two years of having your licence , 6 points means a ban.
After that its 12 points. Points are added up and are valid for 3 years.
--
Alex
"I laugh in the face of danger"
"Then I hide until it goes away"
Dr Zoidberg
> Can't you just fit a little custom rev limiter that switches in and
> out?
On most where the modifications are more extensive you would struggle to do
this.
Brian
> In the US, the rules vary by state. In my town in North Carolina, if you
> are on a road that does not go downhill, they pull over 50cc scoots going
> faster than the restricted speed. If you can't show a motorcycle license,
> you're in trouble.
>
In my home town, the cops wouldn't know a P200 from a 50cc anything
unless you told them. They also don't usually don't know that on a
50cc bike, you're not required to have lisence plates, registration,
insurance, helmet or motorcycle endorsement, so they pull you over and
try to write you a ticket anyway.
so, you have 2 possibilities here:
1) do whatever you want on whatever kind of scoot you want and get
away with it, or
2) ride a 50cc totally whithin the letter of the law and get nicked
(as you across the pond would say) anyway. yeah, you could fight it,
but that would require taking off work, going to the courthouse (and
maybe getting a ticket if you ride the scoot, see we don't have
motorcycle specified parking here, a cager will gladly run over your
scoot for taking up a spot they are ENTITLED to and bike-racks are so
unusual that they are often mistaken for urban art objects), maybe
having legal representation, getting the ticket dismissed (maybe) but
still having to pay court fees.
doncha just love America?
Brian
edward ball
riding scooters for only 1 and half years and havent been stopped once yet i
have had 2 50cc and on a 125 now. My last was a 50cc aerox had a
derestricted exhaust which went 50mph and 45mph easy, which i rid for about
a year not stopped once i ride nearly 70 miles a week. No-one i know has
been stopped. The police dont care i crashed my bike out side the police HQ,
(125) and they didnt care, no-one even came out.
Dr Zoidberg
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:56:55 -0000, "Dr Zoidberg"
> <AlexNOOOOOO!!!!!@Drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Erick T. Barkhuis wrote:
>>> In the Netherlands, the police conduct checks on 50cc scooters and
>>> mopeds, using "test benches". They set them up at unpredictable
>>> spots all over the country every day. Often, they pick spots nearby
>>> schools or malls. Police on motorbikes even pick up scooterists
>>> from the wide area and order them to go to the test bench.
>>> A number of web sites report these spots based upon phone calls from
>>> scooterists, who pass this information to the webmasters immediately
>>> for the benefit of others.
>>> 50ccs must be restricted to 45 km/h here, but most scooters are
>>> derestricted. If caught, you're fined 60-250 euros depending on the
>>> severity.
>>>
>>> I'm just curious to know if this is also the case in other countries
>>> where 50ccs must be restricted. Do the police conduct such tests in
>>> your country as well? If so, what if you're caught?
>>
>> In the uk most 50cc scots are being ridden as mopeds and should be
>> restricted to 30mph as well.
>> In practice most are derestricted (mine was) and are therefore
>> illegal. The specific offence is "Riding otherwise than in
>> accordance with a licence" for which you would typically get a £60
>> fine and 3 points on your licence. [1]
>
>
Argh , left that out by accident , meant to give more examples.
If you are riding other than in accordance with a licence then your
insurance would be invalidated and hence the above offence for which you can
be banned. There are situations where you can have one of the two but not
the other dependent on licence , age and what , if anything , it says on
your insurance policy.
There are also construction and use regulations that may be infringed by
derestricting a 50 as there are more lights needed on a motorbike as opposed
to a moped but you can't get points for them.
Erick T. Barkhuis
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>
> "Erick T. Barkhuis" <spam...@webwax.nl> wrote in message
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> >
> > [...] Do the police conduct such tests in your
> > country as well? If so, what if you're caught?
> >> In the US, the rules vary by state. In my town in North Carolina, if you
> are on a road that does not go downhill, they pull over 50cc scoots going
> faster than the restricted speed.
I understand. They don't actively test scooters by taking them off the
road and puttin them onto a test bench. Only when you're caught speeding,
they pull you over, right?
Sounds fair to me.
--
Erick
Erick T. Barkhuis
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> "Erick T. Barkhuis" wrote:
> > [...] Do the police conduct such tests in your
> > country as well? If so, what if you're caught?
> Can't you just fit a little custom rev limiter that switches in and out?
You can, but in the Netherlands, that's illegal.
>
> Or do they take the scoots apart?
They do if the test shows that the power that's on your rear wheel is over
2.0 KW (which means that you can go faster than 76km/h (about 45 mph).
If your scoot goes anything between 30 mph and 45 mph, they won't take it
apart, and will just fine you.
--
Erick
Erick T. Barkhuis
> What is the point of this madness and don't your police have better
> things to do than harrass scooterists ?
I wish they would go after real criminals, but this is easy money.
--
Erick
Erick T. Barkhuis
> As for actually checking scooters , I never saw any organised roadside
> testing.
> The only time you are likely to be checked is if you are caught speeding or
> are involved in a big accident.
> The vast majority of police in the uk wouldn't spot a derestricted 'ped even
> if it was right infront of them.
Thanks. This is most helpful.
Sounds like there aren't any specifically trained police employees around
chasing 50cc vehicles, right?
OK, England *is* different from Holland, then.
--
Erick
Dr Zoidberg
> Dr Zoidberg [on Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:56:55 -0000] wrote:
>
>> As for actually checking scooters , I never saw any organised
>> roadside testing.
>> The only time you are likely to be checked is if you are caught
>> speeding or are involved in a big accident.
>> The vast majority of police in the uk wouldn't spot a derestricted
>> 'ped even if it was right infront of them.
>
> Thanks. This is most helpful.
> Sounds like there aren't any specifically trained police employees
> around chasing 50cc vehicles, right?
Dedicated traffic police would know what the law is on 50cc machines , but
as for being able to tell from a visual inspection , unlikely.
Of course if they see you doing 50mph then they might figure things out.
Your average police officer would be very unlikely to spot a derestricted
50.
> OK, England *is* different from Holland, then.
Wow , we have the advantage over another country in one area!
@thlon
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In Belgium they are very strict, and if you see a police car you better run.
The speed limit is 40 km/h, but everybody drives around 50, I drove in my
days @ 125 km/h with a Vespa PK50XL witk liquid cooled 125cc race malossi.
The fine can run very high up, because you're driving to fast you don't have
a registration for a motorbike, no insurrance, no license, etc..
I got caught 2 times, the bike was impounded, the parts removed, en then got
it back, and I had to pay 500 euros then.
the second time, my bike was permanent collected and the fine was around
1200 euro's.
Kurt F
Damn! They take your scoots apart? How much? Just remove body panels
until they see your engine block? Or do they get to where they can measure
your bore and stroke and calculate your displacement?
Here in US, the 4th amendment to our constitution prohibits state or local
government from executing "unreasonable" search or seizure, or execution of
"general warrants". This has been refined to mean that the state must
demonstrate "probable cause" to search something specific. I don't think a
state trooper could stand against the meaning of this amendment to justify
tearing down an engine block in order to find evidence of a crime, after he
has already measured power at the rear wheel.
I think the confiscation of property by government is restricted somewhere
in our constitution. Someone who knows it better than I do can comment on
that.
I was stopped with a derestricted 50 which had a performance pipe put on.
Our state law (North Carolina) says that only a moped class can be driven
without license, registration, or insurance. Moped class is defined as a
vehicle which meets three tests:
1) no more than 50cc engine displacement.
2) no external shifting mechanism.
3) capable of going no faster than 20mph on a flat surface.
I was radar-checked going 40mph the first time, 47 the second time, both
times on a downhill stretch.
I fought the tickets because my lawyer had told me, before I bought this
bike, that as long as the engine was 50cc, he could get me off any such
ticket. He said that troopers weren't gonna really care about a didley
little moped class going faster than 20, unless the individual trooper were
bored or overzealous.
The punishment I faced was a nominal fine and terminal confiscation of my
driving privileges. The charge was driving while license revoked (my
license is revoked, it's why I'm driving this scooter).
My lawyer asked me to get the scooter looked at by a mechanic and have him
"adjust the carb or something" and bring a receipt to that effect into the
court room. They don't know dick about engines or scooters. I had a
mechanic watch me put my stock pipe back on, and had him "test" it and write
me a receipt describing the labor. My lawyer walked up to the prosecuting
attorney before my case was called (both tickets, same trooper), and showed
the receipt, asked for dismissal, and got it.
I have since been very careful about my speed on certain roads in my area.
The state troopers are most familiar with the motor law here, but there
aren't many of them. City police and county sheriffs aren't up to speed on
motor code and could give a rat's ass about my scooter so long as I don't
appear to be drunk on it.
--
Yours,
Kurt F
King Cobra @ http://www.mopedhospital.com/img/70cc.jpg
SoCalMike
> 50ccs must be restricted to 45 km/h here, but most scooters are
> derestricted. If caught, you're fined 60-250 euros depending on the
> severity.
thats seriously gay.
>
> I'm just curious to know if this is also the case in other countries
> where 50ccs must be restricted. Do the police conduct such tests in your
> country as well? If so, what if you're caught?
our police have better things to do. must be pretty boring over there.
SoCalMike
> City police and county sheriffs aren't up to speed on
> motor code and could give a rat's ass about my scooter so long as I don't
> appear to be drunk on it.
AOL keyword "appear"
Justin
what I understand, partly privatized like private ambulance companies in the
US. You just need a radar gun and a willingness to sit in your car by the
side of the road and shoot cars with radar or laser, write paperwork, and
get a paycheck.
I can't remember the link but there was a site I saw a while ago that was
nothing but people posting pictures of these side-road narcs and other
pictures of disabled automatic speed trap cameras and laser guns.
I believe this is also a country that has cameras installed with face
recognition software deployed across the country.
In washington state scooters are pretty rare. I got followed closely for a
quarter-mile by a cop once for flying by too fast. One of my female friends
has been riding on no plates or endorsement for a couple of months with a
C70.
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Erick T. Barkhuis
Kurt F [on Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:04:21 -0500]:
> "Erick T. Barkhuis" <spam...@webwax.nl> wrote in message
> news:MPG.183b95077...@news.cis.dfn.de
> > Paul Topping [on Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:21:02 +0000] wrote:
> >> Or do they take the scoots apart?
> >
> > They do if the test shows that the power that's on your rear wheel is
> > over 2.0 KW
> > If your scoot goes anything between 30 mph and 45 mph, they won't
> > take it apart, and will just fine you.
>
> Damn! They take your scoots apart? How much? Just remove body panels
> until they see your engine block? Or do they get to where they can measure
> your bore and stroke and calculate your displacement?
If your scoot gets over 2.0KW on the rear wheel, it is confiscated.
Police mechanics will take it apart just enough to find aftermarket
performance items like bigger cylinders, carbs, and race varios.
Those items are removed, and then you can pick up what's left of your
bike. Also, you're fined heavily.
> I was radar-checked going 40mph the first time, 47 the second time, both
> times on a downhill stretch.
>
> I fought the tickets because my lawyer
:-)
"my lawyer" sounds *very* American to me. It apppears as if you, in the
States, need a lawyer as much as a doctor and a dentist.
> had told me, before I bought this
> bike, that as long as the engine was 50cc, he could get me off any such
> ticket. [...]
>
> City police and county sheriffs aren't up to speed on
> motor code and could give a rat's ass about my scooter so long as I don't
> appear to be drunk on it.
Interesting. Something tells me that the use of scooters in your country
is very different from the same here, probably because youngsters can
drive a car at young age in the States.
In Holland, you can ride a 50cc at 16, and start learning to drive a car
at 18. Between 16 and 18, LOTS of kids get a scoot and want it to go
fast!! These are the scoots our police are after in our densely
populated area.
--
Erick
Paul Topping
hand hop-up parts round europe :)
Brian
> In washington state scooters are pretty rare. I got followed closely for a
> quarter-mile by a cop once for flying by too fast. One of my female friends
> has been riding on no plates or endorsement for a couple of months with a
> C70.
I know a couple people around here who regularly ride Aprilia RS50's
(or is it SR50? the sportbike-lookin' 50cc job) with no plates,
helmet, registration, etc. Sure, they get pulled over, but then
produce some sort of document that it's a 50cc, then lecture the cop
about how 50cc rigs are exempt (leaving out the speed restriction
parts of course) and the cops usually just look confused, don't want
to deal with the possibility of doing something resembling real work,
and let them go.
Brian
Harry
kdf...@hotmail.com (Brian) wrote:
> I know a couple people around here who regularly ride Aprilia RS50's
> (or is it SR50? the sportbike-lookin' 50cc job) with no plates,
> helmet, registration, etc. Sure, they get pulled over, but then
> produce some sort of document that it's a 50cc, then lecture the cop
> about how 50cc rigs are exempt (leaving out the speed restriction
> parts of course) and the cops usually just look confused, don't want
> to deal with the possibility of doing something resembling real work,
> and let them go.
Example - I own a Tomos Moped in Pennsylvania. Three times already
police have pulled me over for riding the moped without a helmet. The PA
law clearly states that mopeds require no helmet. I am 54. The cops give
me all sorts fo crap that any motorized bike needs a helmet. They never
arrest me. I explain the law to them - give them my phone number - tell
them to call me when they go back to the office - after they look up the
law. They never call me back.
MrBobNKY
where 50ccs must be restricted. Do the police conduct such tests in your
country as well? If so, what if you're caught? >>
LOL! Thats a joke here. The police here most of the time call the scooter sales
places to see whats legal, and whats not. They have no earthly clue.
But I guess that if scooters ever catch on here, that might change.
Bob.
MrBobNKY
Wow, you can get a 50 CC to go faster than 45 mph? Cool, does it take a lot of
work to do that?
Bob.
Dr Zoidberg
Fit a new exhaust and change the gearing , larger jets in teh carb and 55 is
achievable.
250 to 300 quid should do it.
Dr Zoidberg
> Over here in the UK we have speeding cameras called Gatsoes. They're
> fixed, large, made from heavy duty steel and set on a substantial
> metal post sunk into the gorund. On the A420 between Oxford and
> Swindon someone has crept up in the dead of night and sliced the
> camera off its pole with a gas welding gun...
>
http://www.tuftufclub.com/
Its a dutch website , but the pictures speak for themselves.
Kurt F
> Kurt F [on Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:04:21 -0500]:
>
>> "Erick T. Barkhuis" <spam...@webwax.nl> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.183b95077...@news.cis.dfn.de
>>> Paul Topping [on Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:21:02 +0000] wrote:
>
>
> If your scoot gets over 2.0KW on the rear wheel, it is confiscated.
> Police mechanics will take it apart just enough to find aftermarket
> performance items like bigger cylinders, carbs, and race varios.
> Those items are removed, and then you can pick up what's left of your
> bike. Also, you're fined heavily.
That's really harsh, to me. I'm sure it's more intense there because the
porportion of scooters on the road is far greater than here. This practice
makes me think of the same issues related to illegal drugs: do you focus on
the users and try to kill demand, or do you focus on suppliers and try to
kill supply? Are there any restrictions on getting/selling upgrade
components for 50cc scooters?
2Kw.. that's about 2.5hp... hmmm. I think that if you take most stock
configuration 50's, derestrict them and mount a tuned pipe, then you are
over that.
>
>
>> I was radar-checked going 40mph the first time, 47 the second time,
>> both times on a downhill stretch.
>>
>> I fought the tickets because my lawyer
>
> :-)
> "my lawyer" sounds *very* American to me. It apppears as if you, in
> the States, need a lawyer as much as a doctor and a dentist.
>
Heehee.... some truth to that, yes. If you have lots of money, or get in
lots of trouble, or both, then you need your own lawyer. I'll not share
which category I'm in ;-). But if you don't have much money, and you don't
get into more trouble than a traffic ticket or two, and if you love your
wife all your life then you can get by without one.
[snip]
> Interesting. Something tells me that the use of scooters in your
> country is very different from the same here, probably because
> youngsters can drive a car at young age in the States.
> In Holland, you can ride a 50cc at 16, and start learning to drive a
> car at 18. Between 16 and 18, LOTS of kids get a scoot and want it to
> go fast!! These are the scoots our police are after in our densely
> populated area.
Ah. Well that explains it. I know that kids will tend to push the limits
of any restricted privelege. Here in the US, it is up to the state, but in
the 5 I have lived in, you can get a permit to drive a car at 16 with a
licensed driver in the front seat with you. Then, after a period of time,
usually 6 months or so, you can test for your full license in less than an
hour. So our kids are pushing those limits in cars, not scooters. And
these kids are allowed to have unlimited horsepower, and can go as fast as
75mph legally (120kph).
Spoiled rotten, aren't we? ;-)
Is that the only thing a kid can drive from 16 to 18? A 50cc scooter? Is
an 18 yr old allowed full driving privilege? What sort of training or
testing is required in your country?
Thanks for sharing.
Kurt F
news:20021113172602...@mb-fw.news.cs.com
Just derestrict it and add a tuned pipe. Off you go!
MrBobNKY
Thanks much!
Bob.
MrBobNKY
I have a new Vespa ET2 thats 50cc, its my first scooter. Its very nice, but I
was not aware how stupid some car owners are about driving until I was on one.
I really need more acceleration than top end. I have a 2 cycle.
Bob.
Erick T. Barkhuis
Kurt F [on Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:57:40 -0500]:
> "Erick T. Barkhuis" <spam...@webwax.nl> wrote in message
> > If your scoot gets over 2.0KW on the rear wheel, it is confiscated.
> > Police mechanics will take it apart just enough to find aftermarket
> > performance items like bigger cylinders, carbs, and race varios.
> > Those items are removed, and then you can pick up what's left of your
> > bike. Also, you're fined heavily.
>
> That's really harsh, to me. I'm sure it's more intense there because the
> porportion of scooters on the road is far greater than here.
They hardly catch 4% of all those kids who have altered their scoots
using performance aftermarket parts. Almost every day, when I'm
cruising around 40-43 mph, one or more of those kids with their
Speedfights, Kobras and Aeroxes overtake(s) me with great ease, doing
[this is a guess] 55 mph at the least.
> Are there any restrictions on getting/selling upgrade
> components for 50cc scooters?
Nope. Supply is legal. After all, it is perfectly legal to get the most
out of your 50cc for off-the-road racing purposes.
Police can only fine you if they pick you while you're on the road.
> 2Kw.. that's about 2.5hp... hmmm. I think that if you take most stock
> configuration 50's, derestrict them and mount a tuned pipe, then you are
> over that.
It's 2Kw *on the rear wheel*, so it's not the engine power!
Actually, they are measuring speed, but according to European trafic
rules, that's not legal anymore since 1995. So, their test benches now
indicate Kw's, and they calculate your speed from there. The Double
Switch.
> > [...] Between 16 and 18, LOTS of kids get a scoot and want it to
> > go fast!! These are the scoots our police are after in our densely
> > populated area.
>
> Ah. Well that explains it. I know that kids will tend to push the limits
> of any restricted privelege. Here in the US, it is up to the state, but in
> the 5 I have lived in, you can get a permit to drive a car at 16 with a
> licensed driver in the front seat with you. [...]
>
> Spoiled rotten, aren't we? ;-)
And you *know* it!
>
> Is that the only thing a kid can drive from 16 to 18? A 50cc scooter?
Apart from the bicycle and a horse, yes. Although it would be better to
call it "anything up to 50cc", so geared bikes are OK as well, not just
scooters.
> Is
> an 18 yr old allowed full driving privilege? What sort of training or
> testing is required in your country?
At 18, you can start taking lessons (not mandatory, but everyone does).
You must pass a practical 30 minutes exam and a theoretical 50-questions
test. Only if you pass them both, you can acquire a permit. No driving
before you have your permit, apart from taking lessons from licenced
instructors in cars with double brakes/clutches and mirrors (for both
the driver and the instructor).
Oh, and the percentage of candidates passing their exam is low: in 2001
it was 39%. Most candidates take their final tests 3 or more times
before passing.
--
Erick
Erick T. Barkhuis
Kurt F [on Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:59:26 -0500]:
> "MrBobNKY" <mrbo...@cs.com> wrote in message
> news:20021113172602...@mb-fw.news.cs.com
> > << If your scoot goes anything between 30 mph and 45 mph, >>
> >
> > Wow, you can get a 50 CC to go faster than 45 mph? Cool, does it take
> > a lot of work to do that?
> Just derestrict it and add a tuned pipe. Off you go!
Well, yes and no. It depends on the scooter.
Anyway, if you replace your pipe by a performance one, you need to at
least change the variator weights and maybe clutch springs to match the
exhaust characteristics. Also, you will probably have to increase carb
jet size or to replace thhe carb by a larger one. The odds are that the
scoot will be capable of doing 50-60 then.
--
Erick T. Barkhuis RI
WebWax at http://www.webwax.nl
"((bb) || !(bb))" - Shakespeare
Jim Davis
>at 18. Between 16 and 18, LOTS of kids get a scoot and want it to go
>fast!!
And isn't that exactly the reason these scooters are restricted in the
first place?
I mean to keep young hormone rich guys alive, and stop them from
injuring others that get in their way.
Good for the authorities backing these laws up.
Arne Reil
flashing headlights are allowed on cyles/scooters (during the day)... I've
never been stopped, but am prepared.
I would never lecture a police officer.... We keep talking like they are the
bad guys... and they aren't.
We keep talking like we are perfect, and we aren't.
Let them have their say, show them a printed copy of the law, and part
friends.... not antagonists.
Arne, CT, USA
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Gregg
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greggscooter
Whereabouts in Washington do you live?
Gregg
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Brian
> me all sorts fo crap that any motorized bike needs a helmet. They never
> arrest me. I explain the law to them - give them my phone number - tell
> them to call me when they go back to the office - after they look up the
> law. They never call me back.
I seriously doubt they would arrest you for that offense anyway.. have
you looked at the penalties in your state for not wearing a helmet?
In Missouri it's only like a $20 non-moving violation ticket. Like
having a busted tail light or something. At the most you'll get a
ticket, and be sent home with your tail tucked between your legs to go
fetch your lid. I see guys all the time on full-on street bikes with
no helmets on aroud my neighborhood.
Then there's the guy in our club with a Guzzi Ambassador sidehack
outfit. Rides it around the city with no helmet all the time.. what
does he do if he gets pulled over (rare)? He looks the cop dead in
the eyes and tells him you don't need a helmet on a sidecar rig. They
let him go. Once a cop asked if he had a helmet with him, and if so
would he please put it on so it looked like he was doing his job (got
pulled over right in front of the police station). That's it. Unless
you get nabbed by a motorcycle officer, you'll get away with anything!
Brian
Jim Swann
Jim/ Fairfield
"Arne Reil" <there...@cox.net> wrote in message
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MrBobNKY
scoot will be capable of doing 50-60 then. >>
Thank you for that information. I was not aware of all that was involved in
doind any of this.
Bob.
MrBobNKY
friends.... not antagonists. >>
I agree, but with many, thats not something that will happen. Many, and this
seems to happen with a lot of younger cops, but also with some of the older
ones, they seem to never want to admit they are wrong at all. They do not want
to look bad, or do not want someone to tell them thier jobs. So, this type of
thinking cost us a lot of money, and head aches.
I had a problem with a COP once who got on my butt about factory lights that
were on my car. They were driving lights that only went on with the low beams.
They were legal (we checked), and was suppose to be no problem. But this dude
kept giving me hell for ussing them. I called the chief of police, and spoke to
him. He would not admit there was a mistake. Even when I had him turn to the
same page of the KRS (Kentucky street law book) and showed him where they were
OK. He said he agreed, but that if was up to the officers discreation to go by
them or not. (You could tell be his voice he did NOT want to admit they were at
all wrong.
So, sometimes, the COPS can cause some of thier own problems. (I grew up around
law enforcement, and they did not like people they termed as "punks" to tell
them thier job. If they tried, they got them for something else, or made
something up. I had heard this in thier little talks to one another).
Around here, they will not get off thier butts to look for people following to
close, running reds lights, improper lane changing, and cutting you off, unless
you do it to them, and it ticks them off, and they write you up in anger. Sense
I have been on a scooter, I have seen all these things a bit more clearly, as
people have done it to me. I also have been in the flow of traffic, going the
speed limit, or a bit over, and had cars fly past me, and ride my ass, and COPS
not do a thing. (They saw). So, I can not blaim some people for wanting to soup
up thier scooters sometimes. Its CRAZY out there!!! ;-)
Bob.
Arne Reil
of this mentality will usually not help your case.
If stopped, I will show him/her the printed law. If he still writes the
ticket, I will ask him to take a copy. Whether he takes it or not, I will go
to court and under oath explain what occurred, and that I had shown him the
law and offered a copy to him. Judges tend to be much less biased than a
beligerent policemen might be.... At least this has been my experience on 2
ocassions.
Arne, CT, USA
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Justin
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Navy Kurt
> government from executing "unreasonable" search or seizure, or execution of
> "general warrants". This has been refined to mean that the state must
> demonstrate "probable cause" to search something specific. I don't think a
> state trooper could stand against the meaning of this amendment to justify
> tearing down an engine block in order to find evidence of a crime, after he
> has already measured power at the rear wheel.
>
> I think the confiscation of property by government is restricted somewhere
> in our constitution. Someone who knows it better than I do can comment on
> that.
>
> I was stopped with a derestricted 50 which had a performance pipe put on.
> Our state law (North Carolina) says that only a moped class can be driven
> without license, registration, or insurance. Moped class is defined as a
> vehicle which meets three tests:
> 1) no more than 50cc engine displacement.
> 2) no external shifting mechanism.
> 3) capable of going no faster than 20mph on a flat surface.
> I was radar-checked going 40mph the first time, 47 the second time, both
> times on a downhill stretch.
>
> bike, that as long as the engine was 50cc, he could get me off any such
> little moped class going faster than 20, unless the individual trooper were
> bored or overzealous.
>
> The punishment I faced was a nominal fine and terminal confiscation of my
> driving privileges. The charge was driving while license revoked (my
> license is revoked, it's why I'm driving this scooter).
>
> My lawyer asked me to get the scooter looked at by a mechanic and have him
> "adjust the carb or something" and bring a receipt to that effect into the
> court room. They don't know dick about engines or scooters. I had a
> mechanic watch me put my stock pipe back on, and had him "test" it and write
> me a receipt describing the labor. My lawyer walked up to the prosecuting
> attorney before my case was called (both tickets, same trooper), and showed
> the receipt, asked for dismissal, and got it.
>
> I have since been very careful about my speed on certain roads in my area.
> The state troopers are most familiar with the motor law here, but there
> aren't many of them. City police and county sheriffs aren't up to speed on
> motor code and could give a rat's ass about my scooter so long as I don't
> appear to be drunk on it.
>
doing 40 was hid "probable cause" i suppose otherwise he wouldn't have
the right to pull you over.
here in missouri you have to have a valid drivers licence to ride a
moped.
but they won't tag a moped. you also don't have to have a helmet
though the police will pull you over to lecture you.
the three requirements for a moped here are
1.50cc or less
2.under a certain horse power
3.limited to 28 mph on a flat road.
as long as you don't get to happy the police don't seem to mind the 28
mph requirement. my vino is derestricted and i haven't been pulled
over once.
SolarFry
that you removed the muffler and have an EPA unapproved muffler.
We are fortunate the scoots are not concerned about the muffler..
However, if they catch you doing over 35mph and pull you over you better have a
motorcycle endorsement on your license.
otherwise you get a ticket for riding without a license.
>Subject: Re: Police road checks on 50ccs?
>From: "Kurt F" ku...@gloryroad.net
>"Erick T. Barkhuis" <spam...@webwax.nl> wrote in message
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>> Paul Topping [on Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:21:02 +0000] wrote:
>>
>> [Quote order repaired]
>>
>>> "Erick T. Barkhuis" wrote:
>>>> [...] Do the police conduct such tests in your
>>>> country as well? If so, what if you're caught?
>>
>>> Can't you just fit a little custom rev limiter that switches in and
>>> out?
>>
>> You can, but in the Netherlands, that's illegal.
>>
>>>
>>> Or do they take the scoots apart?
>>
>> They do if the test shows that the power that's on your rear wheel is
>> over
>> 2.0 KW (which means that you can go faster than 76km/h (about 45 mph).
>> If your scoot goes anything between 30 mph and 45 mph, they won't
>> take it apart, and will just fine you.
>
>Damn! They take your scoots apart? How much? Just remove body panels
>until they see your engine block? Or do they get to where they can measure
>your bore and stroke and calculate your displacement?
>