Scooter route - Murrieta/Temecula to South Orange County California
William R. Cousert
something like a Vespa) for commuting from Murrieta to South Orange County.
The distance each way is about 50 miles (about a two hour commute, maybe
less).
I have a few options
1. Ortega Highway
2 Tenaja Road
3. Black Star Canyon Road
4. Basilone Road (a little longer)
Are any of these safe enough for a small scooter? Are there any other
alternatives?
Is there any chance we'll ever see an express bus from Temecula/Murrieta to
Orange County via any of these routes?
Can I get something decent for under $1,000?
Twibil
wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about getting a scooter or low powered motorcycle (possibly
> something like a Vespa) for commuting from Murrieta to South Orange County.
> The distance each way is about 50 miles (about a two hour commute, maybe
> less).
>
> I have a few options:
>
> 1. Ortega Highway
> 2 Tenaja Road
> 3. Black Star Canyon Road
> 4. Basilone Road (a little longer)
>
> Are any of these safe enough for a small scooter?
Considering the heavy commuter traffic flow on all those roads and the
fact that you're a beginner, not really. Small scooters are primarily
designed for 'around town' rides, and the commutes you mentioned are
somewhat risky during rush hours even on a full-sized motorcycle.
One little glitch and you're a Buick's hood ornament.
> Are there any other alternatives?
Not that show on the map.
turby
wrote:
> something like a Vespa) for commuting from Murrieta to South Orange County.
> The distance each way is about 50 miles (about a two hour commute, maybe
> less).
>
> I have a few options
>
> 1. Ortega Highway
> 2 Tenaja Road
> 3. Black Star Canyon Road
> 4. Basilone Road (a little longer)
>
> Are any of these safe enough for a small scooter? Are there any other
> alternatives?
There may be a ton of alternatives - that's what makes motorcycling
fun - finding the good alternatives.
Are they safe? As Twibil says, not really. If you've already done the
commute, you've seen how crazy those roads can be at commute time.
Ortega is a fun road on two wheels when there isn't a lot of traffic,
if there's trouble on the road, 2 wheels may be the only way to get to
your destination.
As for safety, that commute is OK if you're mature and learn to ride
well. That means taking not just the MSF course, but advanced training
as well. For that commute, in the first year figure that once a month
somebody will scare the crap out of you.
I disagree with the 650 min size. A 500cc motorcycle would be fine for
that. You might wish you had more power to get out of people's way, or
to make quicker passes going over the hill, though.
> Is there any chance we'll ever see an express bus from Temecula/Murrieta to
> Orange County via any of these routes?
I'd bet in another 6-10 years.
> Can I get something decent for under $1,000?
If you include decent riding gear, probably not.
But if you prorate the fun, gas mileage, travel time, and parking
ease, it's prolly worth it.
turby
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:30:52 -0700, "William R. Cousert"
> <wrcous...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> declaimed the following in alt.scooter:
>
> > I'm thinking about getting a scooter or low powered motorcycle (possibly
> > something like a Vespa) for commuting from Murrieta to South Orange County.
> > The distance each way is about 50 miles (about a two hour commute, maybe
> > less).
>
> housing/residential speed here. Even with stop light idling, my
> Dungbeetle dash reports an average speed in the 35MPH range.
>
> You are also talking about 500 miles a week! If you look at Kelly
> Blue Book motorcycle guide, you'll notice that "typical" mileage for the
> under 400cc (maybe even under 500cc) is under 2000 miles a YEAR!
>
>
>
> > I have a few options
>
> > 1. Ortega Highway
> > 2 Tenaja Road
> > 3. Black Star Canyon Road
> > 4. Basilone Road (a little longer)
>
It's interesting that you would respond to someone's direct question
about particular roads, yet have no clue what they are.
http://www.theortegahighway.com/
Googlemap it. The road is a major thoroughfare in the area, connecting
the inland communities with the coast. It has a fun bit of twisties
and goes from ~sea level to 2500' and back. It is notorious among
sportbikers, and has a fairly heavy police presence because of it. It
will occasionally get closed because of brushfires, accidents, etc.
AFAIK, the other roads are local and the last I knew didn't go all the
way through. New development may have changed that. Basilone goes
through Camp Pendleton, and I don't think there is public access.
William R. Cousert
"turby" <keen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > AFAIK, the other roads are local and the last I knew didn't go all the
> way through. New development may have changed that. Basilone goes
> through Camp Pendleton, and I don't think there is public access.
I used Google Maps for directions and it gave me several options for my
route.
Is the Ortega Highway the only road that actually goes through all the way?
If so, there's a problem with Google's database.
If not, which of these routes is the safest?
William R. Cousert
"Dennis Lee Bieber" <wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:30:52 -0700, "William R. Cousert"
> <wrco...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> declaimed the following in alt.scooter:
>
>> I'm thinking about getting a scooter or low powered motorcycle (possibly
>> something like a Vespa) for commuting from Murrieta to South Orange
>> County.
>> The distance each way is about 50 miles (about a two hour commute, maybe
>> less).
>
> You are talking an average speed of 25MPH!? That's a
> housing/residential speed here. Even with stop light idling, my
> Dungbeetle dash reports an average speed in the 35MPH range.
>
The scooter I was looking at only goes about 25 MPH. But I found something
better
The Older Gentleman
> You are also talking about 500 miles a week! I
So? Not a lot of miles.
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> Based on a follow-up message... Would you try 500 miles a week on a
> 50cc? Even the smallest machine in your signature is a 250cc.
Yes, and why not? It's only 70 miles a day, for Cjhrist's sake.
I've done over 750 miles in a day on a 12 horsepower 125, so please
don't judge everyone by your own wimpy standards.
little man upon the stair
wrote:
> I have a few options
>
> 1. Ortega Highway
> 2 Tenaja Road
> 3. Black Star Canyon Road
> 4. Basilone Road (a little longer)
Is this a troll? Tenaja Road and Black Star Canyon Road probably
aren't even paved, they are fire roads through the national forest.
http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/
turby
wrote:
> "turby" <keens...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4cac782f-6663-4eb4...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > AFAIK, the other roads are local and the last I knew didn't go all the
> > way through. New development may have changed that. Basilone goes
> > through Camp Pendleton, and I don't think there is public access.
>
> I used Google Maps for directions and it gave me several options for my
> route.
>
> Is the Ortega Highway the only road that actually goes through all the way?
I'm pretty sure it is, but there's been a lot of development since I
last explored the area.
> If so, there's a problem with Google's database.
>
> If not, which of these routes is the safest?
OK. It seems you really are a newbie to cycling. You really shouldn't
even consider buying a scooter as small as you've suggested. You'd be
relegated to riding on the side of the road, dodging cars that are
going 50mph or more. The speed limits on Ortega AIR are ~50mph, with
several miles of twisty 2 lane. Imagine 2 trucks passing each other
with you toodling along on the edge of the pavement. OTOH, if you got
a bike with decent power and handling, and worked off-hours to avoid
traffic, that commute could be _really_ enjoyable.
The safest? The safest roads are freeways, where you need to maintain
a minimum of 45mph. That's either 91 or 76, both of which are out of
your way.
Are you a new resident? It sounds like you don't know the area at all.
If you have a car, you should drive the route a couple of weeks, then
decide if you want a scooter. I'll bet the answer is no. Anything
smaller than a 250 on that road is enough to get you into trouble, but
not enough to get you out of it.
Vito
> You're much better off with even something like a used Ninja
> 250 or Honda Rebel.
>
Not only would you be safer but many scooters prove hard to get parts for
unless you stick to old line (expensive) brands.
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> Based on a follow-up message... Would you try 500 miles a week on a
>> 50cc? Even the smallest machine in your signature is a 250cc.
>
>Yes, and why not? It's only 70 miles a day, for Cjhrist's sake.
@ 25 MPH ? He said 50 each way - at his little scoot that's 2
hours twice a day. Wrotsa wruck ( Chinese scooter term ).
>
>I've done over 750 miles in a day on a 12 horsepower 125, so please
>don't judge everyone by your own wimpy standards.
WOuldja do it every day, with work in the middle ? ;-)
William R. Cousert
"little man upon the stair" <macm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I never heard of them before. I did a search on Google Maps and those were
the possible routes from Murrieta/Temecula to Orange County.
I'd like to know why Google offered them as alternatives if they're unpaved
fire roads.
William R. Cousert
"little man upon the stair" <macm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Try this
Click on Get Directions
Murrieta, CA to Anaheim, CA - walking - to avoid freeway directions
My options are
1. Temescal Canyon Road
2. Santiago Canyon Road
3. Black Star Canyon Road
I think my best option is probably to take Metrolink or move. This is too
much of a hassle.
The Older Gentleman
> @ 25 MPH ? He said 50 each way - at his little scoot that's 2
> hours twice a day. Wrotsa wruck ( Chinese scooter term ).
Well, no, probably not, now I think about it.
little man upon the stair
wrote:
> Murrieta, CA to Anaheim, CA - walking - to avoid freeway directions
>
> My options are
> 1. Temescal Canyon Road
> 2. Santiago Canyon Road
> 3. Black Star Canyon Road
If you use the USGS link I posted, you can see satellite views of the
fire roads
across the mountains...
"Walking" is the same as "hiking". You could start hiking to work in
Anaheim
on Sunday and arrive there dusty and exhausted, then you could hike
back to Murrieta on Friday night, arriving home exhausted on Saturday
afternoon...
Again, I wonder if this is a troll, or if you don't live in Murrieta,
CA and don't know that the wilderness of the Cleveland national Forest
is between you and Orange County.
The *only* reasonable driving options are Ortega Highway (which is a
*dangerous*
road that has been defined by the Highway Patrol as a "safety
corridor") or the Corona Freeway.
> I think my best option is probably to take Metrolink or move. This is too
> much of a hassle.
Well, if you do move, find out where you can afford to live and then
find out what
kind of ethnic group lives there before you commit yourself to a lease
on an apartment or house.
Road Glidin' Don
wrote:
> Again, I wonder if this is a troll
That's a bit like you wondering if a new-comer is a bitter failure
with no social or sex life, reduced 'managing' camp sites.
little man upon the stair
> That's a bit like you wondering if a new-comer is a bitter failure
> with no social or sex life, reduced 'managing' camp sites.
If you keep picking at your scab, it will never heal...
Road Glidin' Don
wrote:
I realize this is a tall order, but if you must rely on canned
responses you've memorized, do try to pick one of them that fits the
context.
Or are you trying to gain sympathy by coming across mentally
challenged?
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:34:58 -0700, "William R. Cousert"
><wrco...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> declaimed the following in alt.scooter:
>
>
>>
>> Murrieta, CA to Anaheim, CA - walking - to avoid freeway directions
>>
>> My options are
>> 1. Temescal Canyon Road
>> 2. Santiago Canyon Road
>> 3. Black Star Canyon Road
>>
>
> Microsoft Streets & Trips; configured to avoid freeway/limited
>access and toll road, biased toward "arterial" roads over "other
>highways".
>
>SW on Murrieta Hot Springs Rd
>NW on Jefferson Ave
>SW on Ivy St
>NW on Washington Ave
>continue on Palomar St
>SW on McVicar St
>NW on Grand Ave
>continue on SR-74 (aka Grand)
>W on Grand
>continue on Lake St
>W on Temescal Canyon Rd
>continue NW on (E) Ontario Ave
>SW on Paseo Grande
>W on Green River Rd
>merge onto SR-91 toward Coal Canyon Rd (Riverside Fwy SW -- must not be
>a non-freeway path available)
>off on ramp (1.5miles from above)
>merge onto SR-91 toward Gypsum Canyon Rd (Riverside Fwy W)
>W on (E) La Palma Ave
>S on (N) State College Blvd
>W on E Santa Ana ST
>S on S Atchison St.
>
> Okay -- I just turned "other highways" off, and maxed "Arterial"..
What does it say for a ) distance and B ) travel time ?
>SW on Murrieta Hot Springs Rd
>NW on Jefferson Ave
>SW on Ivy St
>NW on Washington Ave
>continue on Palomar St
>continue on Mission Trail
>bear W on (E) Lakeshore Dr
>bear N on S Main St
>W on W Graham Ave
>continue on (W) Lakeshore Dr
>N on Lake St
>W on Temescal Canyon Rd (for 12 miles)
>continue on E Ontario Ave
>N on Fullerton Ave
>NE on E Grand Blvd
>N on N Main St (windy roads, the last three are ALL RIGHT TURNS)
>bear NW on River Rd
>bear N on Hellman Ave
>W on Pine Ave
>NW on El Prado Rd
>N on Soquel Canyon Pky
>continue on Central Ave
>W on Chino Hills Pkw
>bear W (right) on SR-142 (Chino Hills Pkw, for 11 miles)
>continue S on Valencia Ave
>W on (E) Bastanchury Rd
>S onto (N) Placentia Ave
>S onto (N) State College Blvd
>W onto E Santa Ana St
>S on S Atchison St
>
> I'm not sure which side of Elsinore that route takes... NatGeo Topo
>labels Palomar and Grand, but I couldn't find any of the others before
>Temescal labeled. Also lost it at Pine...
little man upon the stair
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:34:58 -0700, "William R. Cousert"
> Microsoft Streets & Trips; configured to avoid freeway/limited
> access and toll road, biased toward "arterial" roads over "other
> highways". (snip)
Jeez. I don't think I ride that many different streets and roads on my
Seymour Rhodes tour to the Kern River as I try to avoid riding with
the 18 wheelers on the state highways...
little man upon the stair
> I realize this is a tall order, but if you must rely on canned
> responses you've memorized, do try to pick one of them that fits the
> context.
"Now some they do and some they don't, and some you just can't tell.
'N' some they will and some they won't, and some it's just as well."
> Or are you trying to gain sympathy by coming across mentally
> challenged?
I am not in this world to live up to your expectations, nor you to
mine. And, if our real world paths should *never cross* it's probably
just as well...
Road Glidin' Don
wrote:
> I am not in this world to live up to your expectations, nor you to
> mine. And, if our real world paths should *never cross* it's probably
> just as well...
...says the same racist who previously declared there was nothing
wrong with putting Jewish children into gas chambers.
Jeff Mayner
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Then he should not go see "Inglorious Basterds". He'd be due a big comedown.
:-)
Die, nazi....
Die!!!
little man upon the stair
> Then he should not go see "Inglorious Basterds". He'd be due a big comedown.
I think that Shoah-business had pretty much run its course long before
Brad Pitt arrived on scene to waste perfectly good film on such a
farce.
little man upon the stair
> ...says the same racist who previously declared there was nothing
> wrong with putting Jewish children into gas chambers.
Well, gassing Jewish kids did tend to spare the sensitivies of married
German soldiers with families who'd previously been required to shoot
them... ;-)
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:09:36 -0400, .p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>declaimed the following in alt.scooter:
>
>
>> > Okay -- I just turned "other highways" off, and maxed "Arterial"..
>>
>
> I'll have to recreate it -- didn't save the route...
>
> First route (allowing "other highways"), configured for 35MPH (not
>25MPH -- no way would a 50cc be justified for that trip... a 125 to 150
>[which should top out around 45-55mph] should be able to cruise at
>35)...
>
> 58.1 miles @ 2H5M
>
> Second route, no "other highways", same configuration...
>
> 68.2 miles @ 2H29M
Hell of a daily one-way commute !
little man upon the stair
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:49:27 -0700, Dennis Lee Bieber
>
> � � � � Hell of a daily one-way commute !
Arnold Schwarzenegger commutes from LAX to Sacramento, even though he
could live in the governor's mansion there...
Vito
> ? ? ? ? Hell of a daily one-way commute !
> Arnold Schwarzenegger commutes from LAX to Sacramento, even though he
> could live in the governor's mansion there...
And then you have Ms Pelosi
http://www.bitchslapp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1140
May be an urban legend.
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
True. the seating capacity was incidental to the pit-stop, to
her. She called it 'a security issue' that she shouldn't have to set
down to refuel. She also wanted more seating ( didn't ask for 200 )
for her kids and grandkids.
She's also got in some shit for reserving Air Force Gulf
Stream 5's every weekend for her personal use. And recently there was
a well-deserve stink when the House tried to add $ 500,000,000 of
Gulf Streams for mainly COngressional use that the Pentagon didn't
want and didn't need.
She's our very own Eva Peron.
little man upon the stair
> May be an urban legend.
I wonder if she gets Secret Service protection or what?
Vito
"Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>>And then you have Ms Pelosi
>>http://www.bitchslapp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1140
>>
>>May be an urban legend.
>>
>
> True. the seating capacity was incidental to the pit-stop, to
> her. She called it 'a security issue' that she shouldn't have to set
> down to refuel. She also wanted more seating ( didn't ask for 200 )
> for her kids and grandkids.
>
> She's also got in some shit for reserving Air Force Gulf
> Stream 5's every weekend for her personal use. And recently there was
> a well-deserve stink when the House tried to add $ 500,000,000 of
> Gulf Streams for mainly COngressional use that the Pentagon didn't
> want and didn't need.
>
> She's our very own Eva Peron.
>
SoCalMike
thirded. the most cost-effective vehicle is always a motorcycle.
especially the 250cc japanese cruisers. im not sure if theres a big
price difference in new vs used. ive seen 250cc bikes going (new, out
the door) for around $3k.
i had a ninja 500 that lasted me 25k miles over 14 yrs with only a
couple tires, couple clutch cables, new front/rear brakes, 2 batteries,
3 valve checks/tune ups ( 2 done by me) and the usual 3000 mile oil
changes. and a chain. all are wear items, all are normal use - i got the
manual and learned how to do the work when it needed it... i sold it to
buy a $5500 burgman 400, then sold that a year ago to buy a $7099 2009
TMax. no regrets, and a year later i still dont know what the TMax
engine even looks like :)
so hm... id look at a low mile EX/ninja 500. relatively sporty, cheap
used, and bulletproof if taken care of.
SoCalMike
> Honda won't list prices without some nasty registration process...
you can get complete out the door prices from
http://www.otdcyclesports.com/ without a huge hassle. what you see is
what you get. all inclusive, out the door. this is where you go when you
KNOW what you want to buy.
SoCalMike
>> 50cc? Even the smallest machine in your signature is a 250cc.
>
> Yes, and why not? It's only 70 miles a day, for Cjhrist's sake.
70 miles a day, on a 50cc scooter.
>
> I've done over 750 miles in a day on a 12 horsepower 125, so please
> don't judge everyone by your own wimpy standards.
A 125 will do about 60-65mph. a 50cc? maybe 40 tops. big difference when
youre riding on a road that everyones going 55mph on.
SoCalMike
im sure theres something said about "roads may not be useable or in
service- please use good judgement and common sense"
id drive whatever route first a few times in a car to get an idea of top
speed and technical parts, like curves, hills, and what other traffic
usually travels those roads at that time of day.
ive always wanted to try ortega, but i keep putting it off. im sure it
would be great fun on a TMax.
SoCalMike
and temescal before, years ago when i was dating someone in orange.
theyre scooterable, but i wouldnt try it on anything less than a 125cc,
at least the parts i was on.
PinstripeSniper
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"William R. Cousert" <wrco...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>I'm thinking about getting a scooter or low powered motorcycle (possibly
>something like a Vespa) for commuting from Murrieta to South Orange County.
>The distance each way is about 50 miles (about a two hour commute, maybe
>less).
>
>I have a few options
>
>1. Ortega Highway
>2 Tenaja Road
>3. Black Star Canyon Road
>4. Basilone Road (a little longer)
>
>Are any of these safe enough for a small scooter? Are there any other
>alternatives?
>
>Is there any chance we'll ever see an express bus from Temecula/Murrieta to
>Orange County via any of these routes?
>
>Can I get something decent for under $1,000?
>
>
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