Message to Vasco: (Cartesian life forms)
George Hammond
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:15:21 GMT
From: Vasco...@hotmail.com (Roland Vasco)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Roland Vasco wrote:
>
> Matters always forms the same shape:
>
> As it is the case with all matter,...<snip>....
> that it does to the atom itself, which is one of the first conglomerate of
> particle permutation, .....<snip>.... sort
> of the first engine of nature
[Hammond]
Absolutely correct Vasco. Notice that the P and D orbitals are
CARTESIAN. By this I mean they are 3-AXIS ORTHOGONAL or CROSS SHAPED.
It turns out that this is the most fundamental geometry of all
of nature... as you have surmised.
<snip>
> Our entire world follows the same rules of matter, including our own homes,
> our bodies, all that it is matter, thereof
>
[Hammond]
Correct again Vasco. our homes are 3-AXIS CARTESIAN, our bodies
are 3-AXIS CARTESIAN... in fact, all matter is 3-AXIS CARTESIAN.
See:
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/DRAMAT~1.jpg
<snip>
> In fact, this ... tell us several things about creation of god, that
> all matter obeys the laws of nature, ...<snip>... thus creating life as
> we know it
[Hammond]
Absolutely correct Vasco. Cartesian Geometry (also known as Euclidean,
Pythagorean and Riemannian geometry)..... exemplified by the simple
CARTESIAN COORDINATE SYSTEM.. is the geometric basis form of ALL LIFE,
and forms the basis for the GEOMETRICAL PROOF OF GOD.
<snip>
> As it is the intention of the lord, our god, even our own behaviors is to
> tell us of his power and might, his creation, his almost infallible desire
> and wish for all of us to know all that which his
>
[Hammond]
Correct Vasco.
> The Human body shape
>
> The human body itself is made out of matter, and as it is the case with all
> mater, ..<snip>...
>
> The human body is not exempt from this rule, it retains the same shape and
> it forms the same shape as all matter, .....
[Hammond]
Correct Vasco. The human body is 3-AXIS CARTESIAN because SPACE ITSELF,
and ALL PHYSICAL MATTER is 3-AXIS CARTESIAN, including the atoms.
> Lets begin with our face, we now lo at our lips, the upper lip and the
> bottom lip in our faces, .....
[Hammond]
Don't forget the teeth Vasco. 32 teeth arranged in 4-quadrants of
8-each. This is a 2-AXIS CARTESIAN system, with 8 teeth in each
quadrant. This is because the ENTIRE BODY is an AXIAL QUADRATURE.
<snip>
> What about the eyes, ...<snip>... and why the vertical axis as in
the nose, the arms, the lower extremities, why?
[Hammond]
Correct Vasco. The entire face has CARTESIAN SYMMETRY. Human
facial expression may be mapped on the CARTESIAN COORDINATE SYSTEM.
<snip>
> the fact that we our
> bodies begat from a sphere the egg,
[Hammond]
Correct Vasco. And this EGG cleaves in 3-ORTHOGONAL PLANES thus
forming forever the 3-AXIS ORTHOGONAL STRUCTURE of the human
body. This explains why animals have 4-FEET, the same as a
car has 4-WHEELS. See:
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/EMBRYO.jpg
>
> The bones in our bodies, the clavicle, and the time line would have by this
> time may fractures in the clavicle area and the feet and arms that in any
> other part of our bodies.
<snip>
[Hammond]
Correct Vasco. the ENTIRE HUMAN SKELETON is one giant CARTESIAN
COORDINATE SYSTEM. See:
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/ILLU1.jpg
<snip>
> The shape of leaves of plants
>
> Mater also applies to same rules to vegetation, to the shape of leaves of
> plants. In fact the shapes of leaves of planet are a complete metaphor of
> creation I itself.
[Hammond]
Absolutely correct Vasco. The body plan of ALL PLANTS is 3-AXIS
CARTESIAN. The stem is the Z-axis, the first two leaves (sides
of the seed) form the X-axis, and the second two leaves sprout
at right angles forming the Y-axis. The leaves (branches)
continue to sprout along the X-Y-X-Y-X-Y axes along the longitude
of the Z-axis. Thus: A TREE IS CARTESIAN.
This is the same body plan as the human skeleton. ALL LIFE FORMS
ARE 3-AXIS CARTESIAN. This is the origin of the CROSS OF CHRISTIANITY.
See:
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/SEED.jpg
>
> If we were to cool water and form ice, it would form ice crystal, take a
> look then at shape of leaves and go had already written that shape of ice
> crystals in a form of a leave of planets, as to tell us, the angles in
> which all mater moves is governed by the always of creation and the
> obedience of nature
[Hammond]
Correct Vasco. A MAPLE LEAF is actually SQUARE. the most prevalent
shape in nature is the SQUARE, because it is CARTESIAN and fits into
the CARTESIAN COORDINATE SYSTEM, just like an ATOM DOES.
<snip>
> It is and it has always been the intention of the lord our god for all of
> us to realize his work, his creation, and our truth beginning and that
> which is our truth purpose in life, and he pout it all in a big class room
> as is the case in the solar system and in the vegetation
[Hammond]
Oh so apropos Vasco. Correct again. See:
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/index.html
<snip>
>
> Roland Vasco
> 2443 NW 35th St, Rear
> Miami, Fl 33142
>
> Email: Vasco...@hotmail.com
> Vasco...@yahoo.com
[Hammond]
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Xaonon
<gham...@mediaone.net> wrote:
> Correct Vasco. And this EGG cleaves in 3-ORTHOGONAL PLANES thus
> forming forever the 3-AXIS ORTHOGONAL STRUCTURE of the human
> body. This explains why animals have 4-FEET, the same as a
> car has 4-WHEELS.
No, that's so they don't fall over. Geez, this is getting stupid even for
a.s.p.n-t.
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George Hammond
>
> In article <39DA6CAE...@mediaone.net>, George Hammond
> <gham...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> > forming forever the 3-AXIS ORTHOGONAL STRUCTURE of the human
> > body. This explains why animals have 4-FEET, the same as a
> > car has 4-WHEELS.
>
> a.s.p.n-t.
[Hammond]
O.K. bright boy, what do you have to say about my discovery that
a Maple Leaf is actually SQUARE:
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/MAPLE.jpg
Do you know how many idiots have raked a billion tons of
Maple leaves, put a picture of it on the Canadian flag, and
written a gazillion scientific treatises on it.... and not
ONE of those hundred million people has EVER NOTICED that a
Maple leaf is ACTUALLY SQUARE.
If they can't even notice that, how do you expect them to
notice that leaves, plants, animals and the human body, or
human brain, is actually CARTESIAN?
Do you have any idea what kind of stupendous ignorance we
are up against chief?
Now, if you don't believe me, just go out on your front
lawn and pull a Maple leaf down outta the nearest Maple
tree, and turn it over and look at the veins on the back
side. Notice that the two lower veins are actually a single
vein split in half to make room for the Stem. Snap the Stem
off and bring those two half-veins back together and you see
that a Maple leaf is a SQUARE growing on the end of a Stem
that has simply been bent back 90--degrees to lay flat against the
stem... and one of the diagonal axes of the square has been split
in half to accommodate the new position of the Stem.
What this means is that a maple Tree is SQUARE ("Cartesian" for
the more educated). Full details of why a tree is SQUARE are
shown at:
http//people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/SEED.jpg
For Christ's sake, people can't even see that a PLANT is
Cartesian, ... how in hell can you expect them to see that the
BRAIN is Cartesian?
GHammond
>
> --
> Xaonon, EAC Chief of Mad Scientists
George Hammond
>
> In article <39DA6CAE...@mediaone.net>, George Hammond
> <gham...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> > forming forever the 3-AXIS ORTHOGONAL STRUCTURE of the human
> > body. This explains why animals have 4-FEET, the same as a
> > car has 4-WHEELS.
>
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/MAPLE.jpg
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/SEED.jpg
For Christ's sake, people can't even see that a PLANT is
Cartesian, ... how in hell can you expect them to see that the
BRAIN is Cartesian?
GHammond
>
> --
> Xaonon, EAC Chief of Mad Scientists
pete
>
> [Hammond]
> Correct Vasco. And this EGG cleaves in 3-ORTHOGONAL PLANES thus
> forming forever the 3-AXIS ORTHOGONAL STRUCTURE of the human
> body. This explains why animals have 4-FEET, the same as a
> car has 4-WHEELS.
I got an idea that'll blow Eight Minute Abs away, ... Seven Minute Abs.
What if somebody comes out with SIX Minute Abs?
? Six? No, there's no six. Seven! Seven dwarfs, seven seas,
seven chipmunks swinging from a branch,
eating lots of peanuts on my uncle's ranch.
You know, like that old children's rhyme from the sea?
These seats are making me me itchy. What are they made out of, cactus?
I have to go pee.
I'm waiting here just seven minutes.
--
pete
Mark Fergerson
>
> Subject: Matters always forms the same shape:
<snip>
Please explain Octopi, rotifers, starfish, shellfish, snails?
Mark L. Fergerson
George Hammond
>
> George Hammond wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Matters always forms the same shape:
>
>
> Please explain Octopi, rotifers, starfish, shellfish, snails?
>
> Mark L. Fergerson
GH: Dear Pedant:
Obviously everyone of these life forms is CARTESIAN.
To a disinterested, argumentative, pedant such as yourself
pointing this out is a waste of time.
Fact is a STARFISH has a BILATERALLY SYMMETRIC LARVAE,
and therefore is NO EXCEPTION to the rule of Cartesian
Structure for all life forms, dolt.
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> GEORGIE SNIPPER
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>KOOKIE CUTTER:
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>JeffMo wrote:
>>
>> GEORGIE SNIPPER
Can't you go back to posting your abnormal junk?
JeffMo
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Airplanes do not have that limitation." -- JeffMo
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> Can't you go back to posting your abnormal junk?
>
> JeffMo
>
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<gham...@mediaone.net> wrote:
> [Hammond]
> O.K. bright boy, what do you have to say about my discovery that
> a Maple Leaf is actually SQUARE:
A square that got beaten up and left for dead in a back alley, maybe.
P.S. Squares have straight sides, you bozo.
--
JeffMo
>KOOKIE CUTTER:
>
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> to this scientific discussion thread. This person
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> Internet harassment, and several complaints have been
> made against him, he is apparently psychotic or otherwise
> criminally or mentally ill, see:
George is now posting OT, non-scientific, ad hominem harassment to
this scientific discussion thread, even while complaining that I am
doing the same, simply because I asked him to return to his prior
form, which was at least VAGUELY like real physics.
In addition, George has now crossed the line into what might be
considered criminal libel, if his opinions carried enough weight as to
constitute damage to my character. Of course, they don't, so it's
really not an actionable issue, but it does point out what a low-life
cretin he is.
Once again, George, I will ask you to please refrain from continuous,
essentially identical posting, which is against Usenet etiquette.
Please return to posting something of substance, no matter how
ill-advised or wacky, which has at least passing resemblance to
science and/or physics.
For example, maybe you could go over the "leap" that your theory makes
from analysis of psychometric factors to bold assertions about
equivalence with the "Biblical God." This particular leap has been
noted by many independent posters, and you have never presented any
satisfactory explication. You do seem to like to berate everyone who
notices your huge gaping holes in this regard, by saying that they are
obviously too undereducated or stupid to follow you in your path of
brilliance. But then again, you have said that you can't find a
single intelligent person on the Internet. So maybe the problem is
that your theory really DOES have serious shortcomings in this regard,
which you are only too unwilling to face.
If you will simply PRESENT the logical chain that you use to come to
this conclusion, perhaps we can show you where the flaws are. Please
remember that simply saying "it's obvious" or "we can only conclude"
is no substitute for showing your detailed work. A real scholar with
any scientific training at all would already know this, but I will ask
nicely once more, just in case there is the merest shred of
rationality still present behind your eyebrows.
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<gham...@mediaone.net> hit the keyboard with the cat, spelling out:
>Mark Fergerson wrote:
>>
>> George Hammond wrote:
>> >
>> > Subject: Matters always forms the same shape:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Please explain Octopi, rotifers, starfish, shellfish, snails?
>>
>> Mark L. Fergerson
>
>GH: Dear Pedant:
>
> Obviously everyone of these life forms is CARTESIAN.
> To a disinterested, argumentative, pedant such as yourself
> pointing this out is a waste of time.
> Fact is a STARFISH has a BILATERALLY SYMMETRIC LARVAE,
> and therefore is NO EXCEPTION to the rule of Cartesian
> Structure for all life forms, dolt.
Georgie, I think you need a time-out.
-Q.I.
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George Hammond
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George Hammond
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> Georgie, I think you need a time-out.
>
> -Q.I.
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> O.K. bright boy, what do you have to say about my discovery that
>a Maple Leaf is actually SQUARE:
D'Arcy Thompson _On_Growth_And_Form_. A classic. Read it.
You have discovered nothing at all.
Jim Deutch
George Hammond
[Hammond]
Been there, done that. What do you think you're doing, talking to
an amateur?
D'Arcy's epitome of superficial trivia
written in the penultimate Bel Canto - Oxford English style has been
collecting dust on my library shelf ever since I read it 10 years
ago.
Jim, try to remember Thompson's book is 58 years old! And the
most AMAZING thing about it is that he entirely misses the fundamental
structural significance of the 3-Axis Orthogonal/Cartesian geometry
underlying every biological life form. This of course, is because
D'Arcy is NOT a major scientist or an original researcher... he is
the epitome cataloger and enthusiastic pedant.. a Golden Boy of
Oxford/Anglophile pedantry.... more famous for being a charming
writer and speaker than anything else.
The only place where he comes even CLOSE to recognizing the
CARTESIAN structure of animals is in his chapter on the Theory of
Cartesian Transformations of Body Plans (Ch. XVII). This is an
AMAZING confirmation of the CARTESIAN STRUCTURE of animals.. although
it is doubtful that D'Arcy ever recognized it. All subsequent reviewers
of this famous book have pointed to this chapter and the amazing
CARTESIAN MAPPINGS of the various animals, as perhaps the most
outstanding and original contribution of the book.
HOWEVER, it is without a doubt that HAMMOND (1994, peer reviewed
literature) is the FIRST scientist in history to clearly identify the
UNIVERSAL CARTESIAN BODY PLAN of all biological life forms.
In fact, the closest second to Hammond's claim of priority must go
to SIR RICHARD OWEN, who in 1847 published his "archetype theory" of
the Vertebrate Skeleton, which he pointed out was Cartesian, and therefore
"a priori and immune to Evolution". He was in fact CORRECT although
he was viciously attacked by the Darwinian pedants under Huxley and had to
be
rescued by the Royal Court, who believed him. However, even Owen
didn't recognize that ALL LIFE FORMS are Cartesian; not merely the
Vertebrate Skeleton.
So, you're charge that I have discovered nothing new, is as usual,
simply another enraged, inflated and preposterous exclamation so apropos
of the long monotonous and so highly cherished tradition of establishment
pedantry.
Finally of course, D'Arcy never knew a Maple Leaf was square,
simply because, as I have pointed out, he never recognized that plants
were 3-Axis Cartesian, structurally.... just like every other life form
in God's creation.
For Christ's sake.. this principle is so IRON CLAD, that we may be
guaranteed above all else for instance... that if life from a foreign
planet is ever actually discovered:
A. It will have 3-Cartesian structural axes.
B. It will have experienced a "Secular Trend" in
it's historical evolution.
C. Therefore, we may be guarenteed of two things:
1. It will know there is a God
2. It will be Christian (i.e. Cartesian)
It makes no difference what elements it is composed of, what it's
metabolic process is, how intelligent it is, what sensory mechanisms
it has, or anything else!
Mark Fergerson
>
> Mark Fergerson wrote:
> >
> > George Hammond wrote:
> > >
> >
> >
> > Please explain Octopi, rotifers, starfish, shellfish, snails?
> >
> > Mark L. Fergerson
>
> GH: Dear Pedant:
>
> Obviously everyone of these life forms is CARTESIAN.
> To a disinterested, argumentative, pedant such as yourself
> pointing this out is a waste of time.
> Fact is a STARFISH has a BILATERALLY SYMMETRIC LARVAE,
> and therefore is NO EXCEPTION to the rule of Cartesian
> Structure for all life forms, dolt.
"Pedant", "disinterested", "argumentative", "dolt". Do you know the
meaning of "disinterested"?
You piss and moan about people calling you a crank, you advise
people to use your patented "kookie cutter" on replies to your posts,
and you call me names.
Piss off asshole.
Mark L. Fergerson
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> Been there, done that. What do you think you're doing, talking to
>an amateur?
Actually, yes. I challenge you to prove that you are a professional
scientist.
-Q.I.
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>KOOKIE CUTTER:
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George Hammond
>
> On Fri, 06 Oct 2000 21:30:44 GMT, George Hammond
> <gham...@mediaone.net> hit the keyboard with the cat, spelling out:
>
> > Been there, done that. What do you think you're doing, talking to
> >an amateur?
>
> Actually, yes. I challenge you to prove that you are a professional
> scientist.
>
> -Q.I.
[Hammond]
My scientific credentials are as follows:
Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester MA, B.S. Physics 1964
Northeastern University Boston MA, M.S. Theoretical Physics 1967
" , PhD program/teaching fellow 1967
Publications:
HAMMOND G.E. (1994), The Cartesian Theory, in: New Ideas In Psychology,
Vol 12(2) 153-167, Pergamon Press (peer reviewed)
All this is a matter off public record and can be easily checked.
Now, would you mind giving us YOUR academic/professional credentials before
you go shooting your mouth off any further about this theory.
George Hammond
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> Piss off asshole.
>
> Mark L. Fergerson
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>
> KOOKIE CUTTER
<snip>
YAY! I've been cut too!
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George, you shouldn't ask rhetorical questions where the answer isn't
the one you want. Your question ( "What do you think you're doing,
talking to an amateur?") must be answered in the affirmative, since
you're not getting paid to do this, nor have you demonstrated
particular skill or expertise. Sorry.
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George Hammond
> > [Hammond]
> > My scientific credentials are as follows:
> >
> > Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester MA, B.S. Physics 1964
> > Northeastern University Boston MA, M.S. Theoretical Physics 1967
> > " , PhD program/teaching fellow 1967
> >
> > Publications:
> >
> > HAMMOND G.E. (1994), The Cartesian Theory, in: New Ideas In
> Psychology,
> > Vol 12(2) 153-167, Pergamon Press (peer reviewed)
> >
> > All this is a matter off public record and can be easily checked.
> >
> > Now, would you mind giving us YOUR academic/professional credentials
> before
> > you go shooting your mouth off any further about this theory.
> >
> George, you shouldn't ask rhetorical questions where the answer isn't
> the one you want. Your question ( "What do you think you're doing,
> talking to an amateur?") must be answered in the affirmative, since
> you're not getting paid to do this, nor have you demonstrated
> particular skill or expertise. Sorry.
>
> John Philip Waite
[Hammond]
The correct interpretation of your remarks, is simply
that, YOU HAVE NO ACADEMIC CREDENTIALS, certainly
NONE IN PHYSICS.
We don't care if the fact that I DO and YOU DON'T
ENRAGES you and INFURIATES you PUNK... obviously you are
just another UNCREDENTIALED loudmouth KOOK.
QED
PLONK
Why don't you go to night school and see iof you can pick up
your GED....... Haaa ha ha haaaa ha
kook-puke
JohnT
George Hammond wrote:
> Subject: Matters always forms the same shape:
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:15:21 GMT
> From: Vasco...@hotmail.com (Roland Vasco)
> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
>
> Roland Vasco wrote:
> >
> > Matters always forms the same shape:
Apples, bananas, pigeons, trees, asteroids, and quarks are all
the same shape? Lamps, clamps, tables, gables, books, crooks,
brooks, and rooks, yards, bards, petards, and shards, comets and
grommets---all the same shape????????? sulfates, nitrates,
chlorates, borates, acetates and carbonates----all the same shape?
Neutrons, protons, hadrons, baryons---does shape have a meaning
when we talk about such things? Neutrinos, bambinos, casinos---
surely different shapes.
>
> >
> > As it is the case with all matter,...<snip>....
> > that it does to the atom itself, which is one of the first conglomerate of
> > particle permutation, .....<snip>.... sort
> > of the first engine of nature
>
> [Hammond]
> Absolutely correct Vasco. Notice that the P and D orbitals are
> CARTESIAN. By this I mean they are 3-AXIS ORTHOGONAL or CROSS SHAPED.
> It turns out that this is the most fundamental geometry of all
> of nature... as you have surmised.
Naw, what about the 2-dimensional things? And the things
in spherical, cylindrical and generalized coordinates? News
posts are 2-dimensional.
> [Hammond]
> Correct again Vasco. our homes are 3-AXIS CARTESIAN, our bodies
> are 3-AXIS CARTESIAN... in fact, all matter is 3-AXIS CARTESIAN.
Except for the matter that's in spherical or cylindrical coordinates.
People who see everything in an xyz coordinate system have
been looking at city blocks and chessboards way too long, and
haven't spent enough time playing basketball, baseball, etc.
>
> [Hammond]
> Absolutely correct Vasco. Cartesian Geometry (also known as Euclidean,
> Pythagorean and Riemannian geometry)..... exemplified by the simple
> CARTESIAN COORDINATE SYSTEM.. is the geometric basis form of ALL LIFE,
> and forms the basis for the GEOMETRICAL PROOF OF GOD.
> <snip>
Lemme see, Riemann invented a non-Euclidean geometry of
sorts, didn't he?
That proof of God crap again....Tell us again what you think
God is, Hammond. Do you still say God is just a human with
the 15% or so extra brain growth that you say constitutes full
human growth? You presumably say such a person doesn't
yet exist, we are still waiting for your god-man to appear.
Therefore in the ancient past when there was nothing except
bacteria and worms, God did not exist. 20 million years ago
when the earliest primates were becoming differentiated from
the rest of the monkeys, there was no god. This week there
is no god. Take your vitamins and grow some extra brains
and maybe next week you will be god---right? Should we
pray to you, or just present our requests to your divinity
by telephone? Will you handle all that yourself or will you
have a customer service department?
Do your new readers know that you are saying that a human
or humans will become gods upon achieving full growth?
> > As it is the intention of the lord, our god, even our own behaviors is to
> > tell us of his power and might, his creation, his almost infallible desire
> > and wish for all of us to know all that which his
> >
>
> [Hammond]
> Correct Vasco.
> > The Human body shape
> >
> > The human body itself is made out of matter, and as it is the case with all
> > mater, ..<snip>...
> >
> > The human body is not exempt from this rule, it retains the same shape and
> > it forms the same shape as all matter, .....
W.C. Fields, Marilyn Monroe, Michael Jordan, Clint Eastwood,
Robert Reich, Rush Limbaugh and Oprah Winfrey all have the
same shape? Man, you better get your glasses checked!
> [Hammond]
> Correct Vasco. The human body is 3-AXIS CARTESIAN because SPACE ITSELF,
> and ALL PHYSICAL MATTER is 3-AXIS CARTESIAN, including the atoms.
>
> > Lets begin with our face, we now lo at our lips, the upper lip and the
> > bottom lip in our faces, .....
>
> [Hammond]
> Don't forget the teeth Vasco. 32 teeth arranged in 4-quadrants of
> 8-each. This is a 2-AXIS CARTESIAN system, with 8 teeth in each
> quadrant. This is because the ENTIRE BODY is an AXIAL QUADRATURE.
Vasco, Hammond is just being amazed here that we are 3-d
rather than 2-d or 4-d creatures. big deal.
<big snip>
> > It is and it has always been the intention of the lord our god for all of
> > us to realize his work, his creation, and our truth beginning and that
> > which is our truth purpose in life, and he pout it all in a big class room
> > as is the case in the solar system and in the vegetation
wrong. god does not exist and will not exist until someone grows
that last 15% or so of brains that will according to Hammond result
in that guy becoming a god.
Hammond is trying to redefine God. He isn't talking about the
same idea of God that's in the Bible and that you are thinking
of. He's got his own idea of god that is completely different.
> [Hammond]
> Oh so apropos Vasco. Correct again. See:
Hey, found a convert to the Cult of Hammond? Congrats!
John
JohnT
George Hammond wrote the usual trash:
BZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!! That was the Chainsaw of Truth
at work....and on cutting into Hammond's post in search
of truth, it found absolutely none.
John
JohnT
That was a test of the KOOKIE CUTTER CUTTER----the
boys at the lab have declared the test successful!
JeffMo
>KOOKIE CUTTER:
>
>NOTE: The original article to which this
> thread refers may be seen at:
>
>http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/Vasco.html
>
> Please feel free to reply to this thread
> Ignore OT remarks and idle threats.
You may also do like George and consider things to be "idle threats"
which are actually "friendly warnings."
JeffMo
> For Christ's sake.. this principle is so IRON CLAD, that we may be
>guaranteed above all else for instance... that if life from a foreign
>planet is ever actually discovered:
>
> A. It will have 3-Cartesian structural axes.
> B. It will have experienced a "Secular Trend" in
> it's historical evolution.
> C. Therefore, we may be guarenteed of two things:
>
> 1. It will know there is a God
> 2. It will be Christian (i.e. Cartesian)
Why would this guarantee not be symmetric? In other words, why
shouldn't we expect your arguments to lead to the conclusion that
aliens should be able to visit the Earth and discover that all Earth
life is Christian?
Of course, the vast majority of life forms here are NOT Christian,
which calls into question your base assumptions. Presumably, you
would rather ignore this somewhat troubling EMPIRICAL FACT and go on
cutting my posts with reckless and ignorant abandon.
I look forward to it.
JohnT
George Hammond wrote about how amazing it is that things in the
physical universe apparently have 3 dimensions, a fact that never
ceases to amaze the easily amazed George.
>
> D'Arcy's epitome of superficial trivia
> written in the penultimate Bel Canto - Oxford English style has been
> collecting dust on my library shelf ever since I read it 10 years
> ago.
> Jim, try to remember Thompson's book is 58 years old! And the
> most AMAZING thing about it is that he entirely misses the fundamental
> structural significance of the 3-Axis Orthogonal/Cartesian geometry
> underlying every biological life form. This of course, is because
> D'Arcy is NOT a major scientist or an original researcher... he is
> the epitome cataloger and enthusiastic pedant.. a Golden Boy of
> Oxford/Anglophile pedantry.... more famous for being a charming
> writer and speaker than anything else.
> The only place where he comes even CLOSE to recognizing the
> CARTESIAN structure of animals is in his chapter on the Theory of
> Cartesian Transformations of Body Plans (Ch. XVII). This is an
Your emphasis on the 3-d nature of physical objects borders on the
obsessional---or the fraudulent. Have you started taking up collections
for the Church of the God George Hammond yet?
>
> AMAZING confirmation of the CARTESIAN STRUCTURE of animals.. although
> it is doubtful that D'Arcy ever recognized it. All subsequent reviewers
> of this famous book have pointed to this chapter and the amazing
> CARTESIAN MAPPINGS of the various animals, as perhaps the most
> outstanding and original contribution of the book.
> HOWEVER, it is without a doubt that HAMMOND (1994, peer reviewed
> literature) is the FIRST scientist in history to clearly identify the
> UNIVERSAL CARTESIAN BODY PLAN of all biological life forms.
Geeeee, George, you are the first to be amazed about being a
critter of solid rather than 2-d geometry, but you keep thinking
in terms of xyz axes instead of noting that spherical and cylindrical
coordinate systems are perfectly valid for describing things.
Peer reviewed? Hah! Your so-called peer-reviewed article is so
much BS that you could fertilize two acres of corn with it.
>
> In fact, the closest second to Hammond's claim of priority must go
> to SIR RICHARD OWEN, who in 1847 published his "archetype theory" of
> the Vertebrate Skeleton, which he pointed out was Cartesian, and therefore
> "a priori and immune to Evolution". He was in fact CORRECT although
> he was viciously attacked by the Darwinian pedants under Huxley and had to
> be
So you are one of the fundamentalist nuts who denies that evolution
is the process by which life on Earth developed? You are starting to
be understood now as one of those fundie liars. Your lies are going
to fall flat and be destroyed.
>
> rescued by the Royal Court, who believed him. However, even Owen
> didn't recognize that ALL LIFE FORMS are Cartesian; not merely the
> Vertebrate Skeleton.
> So, you're charge that I have discovered nothing new, is as usual,
> simply another enraged, inflated and preposterous exclamation so apropos
> of the long monotonous and so highly cherished tradition of establishment
> pedantry.
> Finally of course, D'Arcy never knew a Maple Leaf was square,
> simply because, as I have pointed out, he never recognized that plants
> were 3-Axis Cartesian, structurally.... just like every other life form
> in God's creation.
> For Christ's sake.. this principle is so IRON CLAD, that we may be
> guaranteed above all else for instance... that if life from a foreign
> planet is ever actually discovered:
Being 3-d does not show anything about the origins, it does not prove
anything about the existence of God, it is just utter bullshit sophistry
on your part. Gods were inventions of priests for the purpose of
trying to control and exploit the common people.
> A. It will have 3-Cartesian structural axes.
> B. It will have experienced a "Secular Trend" in
> it's historical evolution.
> C. Therefore, we may be guarenteed of two things:
1. The alien beings will have mass and nonzero volume
2. The alien beings will have evolved from simpler species
JohnT
George Hammond wrote:
> upt...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > > [Hammond]
> > > My scientific credentials are as follows:
> > >
> > > Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester MA, B.S. Physics 1964
> > > Northeastern University Boston MA, M.S. Theoretical Physics 1967
> > > " , PhD program/teaching fellow 1967
> > >
> > > Publications:
> > >
> > > HAMMOND G.E. (1994), The Cartesian Theory, in: New Ideas In
> > Psychology,
> > > Vol 12(2) 153-167, Pergamon Press (peer reviewed)
> > >
> > > All this is a matter off public record and can be easily checked.
> > >
> > > Now, would you mind giving us YOUR academic/professional credentials
> > before
> > > you go shooting your mouth off any further about this theory.
> > >
>
> > George, you shouldn't ask rhetorical questions where the answer isn't
> > the one you want. Your question ( "What do you think you're doing,
> > talking to an amateur?") must be answered in the affirmative, since
> > you're not getting paid to do this, nor have you demonstrated
> > particular skill or expertise. Sorry.
> >
> > John Philip Waite
>
> [Hammond]
> The correct interpretation of your remarks, is simply
> that, YOU HAVE NO ACADEMIC CREDENTIALS, certainly
> NONE IN PHYSICS.
> We don't care if the fact that I DO and YOU DON'T
> ENRAGES you and INFURIATES you PUNK... obviously you are
> just another UNCREDENTIALED loudmouth KOOK.
> QED
> PLONK
>
> Why don't you go to night school and see iof you can pick up
> your GED....... Haaa ha ha haaaa ha
> kook-puke
Hammond, you say you have credentials? How come you
are STILL an idiot? Or trying to be a con artist?
JohnT
The KOOKIE CUTTER has just been processed by my new
GE Absurd Post Ultra Crusher.
JohnT
George Hammond wrote:
> KOOKIE CUTTER:
>
> NOTE: "Jeffmo" harassment: This individual is now
> posting OT, non scientific ad hominem harassment
> to this scientific discussion thread. This person
George, ol buddy, ol pal, take the nice valium like your doctor
ordered, and then have a couple of bottles of Thunderbird and
some pleasant dreams. Your claims of scientific justification
for your assertions are just not so, and sooner or later you
will wish you had been a rational heathen like you should have
been after a quality science education. It doesn't pay to push
the idea of a god, because there is no god. Besides, the idea
of a god that you promote is the most egregious heresy with
regard to all the history of religion, all the people who talked
about a god in the first place. So take the nice valium and a
bottle of wine or beer, and quit stressing yourself out trying
to start a dipshit cult. You may think there's money in it, but
only for crooked rotten bastards. If you ARE a crooked rotten
bastard, never mind, maybe you've got what it takes to be a
charlatan.
John
JohnT
Chainsaw of Truth again, cutting away the dross from Hammond's
post and as expected finding absolutely nothing of substance.
It appears that Hammond wants people to kiss his ( | ) and
gets upset when they don't.
JohnT
Quinn Inuit wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:13:37 GMT, George Hammond
> <gham...@mediaone.net> hit the keyboard with the cat, spelling out:
>
> >Mark Fergerson wrote:
> >>
> >> George Hammond wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Subject: Matters always forms the same shape:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> Please explain Octopi, rotifers, starfish, shellfish, snails?
> >>
> >> Mark L. Fergerson
> >
> >GH: Dear Pedant:
> >
> > Obviously everyone of these life forms is CARTESIAN.
> > To a disinterested, argumentative, pedant such as yourself
> > pointing this out is a waste of time.
> > Fact is a STARFISH has a BILATERALLY SYMMETRIC LARVAE,
> > and therefore is NO EXCEPTION to the rule of Cartesian
> > Structure for all life forms, dolt.
>
> Georgie, I think you need a time-out.
>
> -Q.I.
>
As obsessed as George is about Cartesian (XYZ) coordinates,
one might suppose that he flunked out of the PhD program for
somehow botching cylindrical or spherical coordinates. The only
other explanation I can think of is that gridlike structures, maybe
from something he stared at for a long time, must be strongly
imprinted in his brain. A tile floor? maybe. A chessboard? Not
likely, there haven't been any references to chess or even the
rationality required by the game showing in his posts. Staring
at matrices? They have the right pattern, but very different
purposes from a graphic representation of a function or object.
The amazement about things being 3-dimensional might be due
to his being a 2-d being in a previous life in an alternate universe.
Or maybe he thinks that by harping on the 3-d nature of objects,
he can gull some really stoopid guy into joining his cult and kissing
his ( | )
John
JohnT
A 45-inch buzz-saw blade just burned through George's post and
revealed that inside was absolutely nothing.
JohnT
George is boring
JohnT
Machine goes ripping through the heresies that have assumed the
form of George, the little bitty insignificant Satan
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JohnT wrote:
>
>
> BZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!! That was the Chainsaw of Truth
> at work....and on cutting into Hammond's post
> John
George Hammond
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JohnT wrote:
> , take the nice valium
George Hammond
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/Vasco.html
JohnT wrote:
>
> BZZZZZZ!!!! BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!
> people to kiss his
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JohnT wrote:
>
> Crunchhhhh....grind....popcrunchhhhh
>
George Hammond
George Hammond
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/Vasco.html
JohnT wrote:
>
> SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
George Hammond
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/Vasco.html
JohnT wrote:
>
> BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!
JeffMo
>KOOKIE CUTTER:
>
>NOTE: The original article to which this
> thread refers may be seen at:
>
>http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/Vasco.html
>
> Please feel free to reply to this thread
>
> ... simply ignore monotonous "kook one liner",
> and other "crank" postings containing no
> scientific content, off topic remarks, threats,
> profanity or ad hominem harassment.
Are you going to make it easy on us, by cutting this again?
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JeffMo
>KOOKIE CUTTER:
>JeffMo wrote:
>
>> Are you going to make it easy on us, by cutting this again?
OK. Since you persist...
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JeffMo wrote:
>
> George Hammond <gham...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> >KOOKIE CUTTER:
>
> >JeffMo wrote:
> >
> >> Are you going to make it easy on us, by cutting this again?
>
> OK. Since you persist...