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What's your guys' take on Moving Dimensions Theory? Vs. String Theory / LQG?

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shakespeare physics

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Oct 27, 2009, 6:47:22 PM10/27/09
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What's your guys' take on Moving Dimensions Theory? Seems it has a lot
going for it based on this table (how accurate is this table?)

[url]http://www.fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/
Moving_Dimensions_Theory__Heros_Journey_Physics.pdf[/url]

[url]http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/511[/url]

What is Ultimately Possible in Physics? Physics! A Hero's Journey with
Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Planck, Einstein, Schrodinger,
Bohr, and the Greats towards Moving Dimensions Theory. E pur si muove!
by Dr. Elliot McGucken

ABSTRACT:
Over the past few decades prominent physicists have noted that physics
has diverged away from its heroic journey defined by boldly
describing, fathoming, and characterizing foundational truths of
physical reality via simple, elegant, logically-consistent postulates
and equations humbling themselves before empirical reality. Herein the
spirit of physics is again exalted by the heroic words of the Greats-
by Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Planck, Einstein, Bohr, and
Schrodinger-the Founding Fathers upon whose shoulders physics stands.
And from that pinnacle, a novel physical theory is proposed, complete
with a novel physical model celebrating a hitherto unsung universal
invariant and an equation reflecting the foundational physical reality
of a fourth dimension expanding relative to the three spatial
dimensions at the rate of c, or dx4/dt=ic, providing both the
"elementary foundations" for relativity and QM's "characteristic
trait"-entanglement, and its nonlocal, probabilistic nature. From
MDT's experimentally-verified equation relativity is derived while
time is unfrozen and free will exalted, while a physical model
accounting for quantum nonlocality is presented. Entropy, Huygens'
Principle; the wave/particle, energy/mass, space/time, and E/B
dualities; and time and all its arrows and asymmetries emerge from a
common, foundational physical model. MDT exalts Einstein's "empirical
facts," "naturalness," and "logical simplicity." For the first time in
the history of relativity, change is woven into the fabric of space-
time, and the timeless, ageless, nonlocal photon of Galileo's/
Einstein's "empirical world" is explained via a foundational physical
model, alongside the fact that c is both constant and the maximum
velocity in the universe. The empirical GPS clocks' time dilation/
twins paradox is resolved by proposing a frame of absolute rest-the
three spatial dimensions, and a frame of absolute motion-the fourth
expanding dimension upon which ageless photons of zero rest mass surf;
which underlie and give rise to Einstein's Principle of Relativity.

When the solution is simple, God is answering. -Einstein
If, relative to K, K' is a uniformly moving co-ordinate system devoid
of rotation, then natural phenomena run their course with respect to
K' according to exactly the same general laws as with respect to K.
This statement is called the principle of relativity. -Einstein, 1954

No great discovery was ever made without a bold guess. -Newton
For an idea that does not at first seem insane, there is no hope. -
Einstein
If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the
shoulders of giants. -Newton
In questions of science, the authority of thousands is not worth the
humble reasoning of one individual. -Galileo
Books on physics are full of complicated mathematical formulae. But
thought and ideas (the fourth dimension is expanding relative to the
three spatial dimensions at c), not formulae, are the beginning of
every physical theory. -Einstein/Infeld, The Evolution of Physics

But before mankind could be ripe for a science which takes in the
whole of reality, a second fundamental truth was needed, which only
became common property among philosophers with the advent of Kepler
and Galileo. Pure logical thinking cannot yield us any knowledge of
the empirical world; all knowledge of reality starts from experience
and ends in it. Propositions arrived at by purely logical means are
completely empty as regards reality. Because Galileo saw this, and
particularly because he drummed it into the scientific world, he is
the father of modern physics-indeed, of modern science altogether. -
Einstein , Ideas and Opinions
Epur si muove - (And yet it does move.) -Galileo
.. my dear Kepler, what do you think of the foremost philosophers of
this University? In spite of my oft-repeated efforts and invitations,
they have refused, with the obstinacy of a glutted adder, to look at
the planets or Moon or my telescope. -Galileo
A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up with it. -Planck
...my observations have convinced me that some men, reasoning
preposterously, first establish some conclusion in their minds which,
either because of its being their own or because of their having
received it from some person who has their entire confidence,
impresses them so deeply that one finds it impossible ever to get it
out of their heads. Such arguments in support of their fixed idea ...
gain their instant acceptance ... whatever is brought forward against
it, however ingenious and conclusive, they receive with disdain or
with hot rage ... Beside themselves with passion, some of them would
not be backward even about scheming to suppress and silence their
adversaries.... No good can come of dealing with such people . . .
their company may be not only unpleasant but dangerous. -Galileo
Millions saw the apple fall, but Newton was the one who asked why. -
Baruch
What is Possible in Physics? Physics! Moving Dimensions Theory
We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both
true and sufficient to explain their appearances. -Newton
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -
Einstein
A physical theory can be satisfactory only if its structures are
composed of elementary foundations. The theory of relativity is
ultimately as little satisfactory as, for example, classical
thermodynamics was before Boltzmann had interpreted the entropy as
probability. -Einstein
When two systems, of which we know the states by their respective
representatives, enter into temporary physical interaction due to
known forces between them, and when after a time of mutual influence
the systems separate again, then they can no longer be described in
the same way as before, viz. by endowing each of them with a
representative of its own. I would not call that one but rather the
characteristic trait of quantum mechanics, the one that enforces its
entire departure from classical lines of thought. By the interaction
the two representatives [the quantum states] have become entangled. -
Schrodinger
MDT provides both the "elementary foundations" of relativity that
Einstein yet sought, and the foundational physical reality underlying
and causing quantum nonlocality and entanglement, which Schrodinger
labeled the "characteristic trait" of QM. Einstein's Principle of
Relativity, as well as his two postulates, derive from MDT's simple
physical model (Fig. 1) and single postulate which is more concise and
has the added benefits of providing for free will, liberating us from
the block universe, weaving change into the fundamental fabric of
space-time for the first time in the history of relativity, and
providing an elementary, foundational physical model for time and all
its arrows and asymmetries, entropy, and QM's nonlocality and
entanglement, as well as reality's probabilistic nature. The fourth
dimension is inherently nonlocal via its invariant expansion, which is
the source of nonlocality as well as relativity. All of this is more
fully developed in Dr. E's 2008 paper on MDT which examines Einstein's
1912 Manuscript on Relativity and derives relativity from MDT's dx4/
dt=ic: Time as an Emergent Phenomenon: Traveling Back to the Heroic
Age of Physics: fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/238 & fqxi.org/
community/forum/topic/432.
Simple, logical proofs of MDT:

MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells
us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be
expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate of c,
in a spherically-symmetric manner. The expansion of the fourth
dimension is the source of nonlocality, entanglement, time and all its
arrows and asymmetries, c, relativity, entropy, free will, and all
motion, change, and measurement, for no measurement can be made
without change. For the first time in the history of relativity,
change has been wedded to the fundamental fabric of spacetime in MDT.
MDT PROOF#2: Einstein (1912 Man. on Rel.) and Minkowski wrote x4=ict.
Ergo dx4/dt=ic.
MDT PROOF#3: The only way to stay stationary in the three spatial
dimensions is to move at c through the fourth dimension. The only way
to stay stationary in the fourth dimension is to move at c through the
three spatial dimensions. Ergo the fourth dimension is moving at c
relative to the three spatial dimensions.
MDT twitter proof (limited to 140 characters): SR: photon is
stationary in 4th dimension. QM: photon is probability wave expanding
@ c. Ergo: 4th dimension expands @ c & MDT: dx4/dt=ic -from [url]
http://twitter.com/45surf[/url]

A people that were to honor falsehood, defamation, fraud, and murder
would be unable, indeed, to subsist for very long. -Einstein

MDT Sides With the Simplicity of the Heroic Greats in Word, Equation,
and Deed
MDT presents a new universal invariant reflecting a foundational
physical reality of a fourth expanding dimension-an elementary law
from which Einstein's Principle of Relativity can be built by pure
deduction. Begin with a universe with four dimensions x1, x2, x3, x4
where the fourth dimension is expanding relative to the three spatial
dimensions at the rate of c, dx4/dt=ic, and all of relativity is shown
to naturally emerge in Dr. E's above paper, as does quantum mechanics'
nonlocality and entanglement, wave-particle duality, space-time
duality, mass-energy duality, entropy, and time and all its arrows and
asymmetries.

Behind it all is surely an idea so simple, so beautiful, that when we
grasp it - in a decade, a century, or a millennium-we will all say to
each other, how could it have been otherwise? How could we have been
so stupid? -Wheeler

Three Rules of Work: Out of clutter find simplicity; From discord find
harmony; In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity. -Einstein

MDT presents a physical principle more fundamental than Einstein's
Principle of Relativity, as all of relativity naturally emerges from
MDT's postulate, along with time and all its arrows. And too, MDT, via
the natural smearing of locality into nonlocality heralded via the
expansion of the fourth dimension, provides a physical model for
quantum entanglement-that which Schrodinger stated was the
"characteristic trait" of quantum mechanics. So it is that MDT
provides a common, foundational physical model for quantum mechanics
and relativity, thusly unifying them on a physical level. A simple
postulate and equation dx4/dt=ic bestows upon us a myriad of profound
consequences across all realms of physics-granting us both the
"elementary foundations" for relativity that Einstein yet sought,
while also providing the elementary foundations for Schrodinger's
"characteristic trait" of QM-entanglement. MDT rides with the
simplicity of the heroic Greats in word, equation, and deed:

Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more
violent. It takes a touch of genius-and a lot of courage-to move in
the opposite direction. -Einstein

Mathematicians may flatter themselves that they possess new ideas
which mere human language is as yet unable to express. Let them make
the effort to express these ideas in appropriate words without the aid
of symbols, and if they succeed they will not only lay us laymen under
a lasting obligation, but, we venture to say, they will find
themselves very much enlightened during the process, and will even be
doubtful whether the ideas as expressed in symbols had ever quite
found their way out of the equations into their minds. -Maxwell

I don't believe in mathematics. -Einstein

Do not worry about your difficulties in mathematics, I assure you that
mine are greater. -Einstein

Geometry is not true, it is advantageous. -Poincare

In Einstein's Mistakes, Dr. Hans Ohanian reports on how physics
advances via the emphasis not on math, but on physical reality, "(Max)
Born described the weak point in Einstein's work in those final years:
". . . now he tried to do without any empirical facts, by pure
thinking. He believed in the power of reason to guess the laws
according to which God built the world."" MDT exalts nature and the
physical reality of a timeless, ageless photon, providing a simple,
unifying physical model for entropy, statistical mechanics,
relativity, and quantum mechanics.

A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers. -Plato

Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can
be counted counts. -Einstein

Mathematics are well and good but nature keeps dragging us around by
the nose. -Einstein

In Disturbing the Universe, Freeman Dyson writes, "Dick [Feynman]
fought back against my skepticism, arguing that Einstein had failed
because he stopped thinking in concrete physical images and became a
manipulator of equations. I had to admit that was true. The great
discoveries of Einstein's earlier years were all based on direct
physical intuition. Einstein's later unified theories failed because
they were only sets of equations without physical meaning. Dick's sum-
over-histories theory was in the spirit of the young Einstein, not of
the old Einstein. It was solidly rooted in physical reality." In The
Trouble With Physics, Lee Smolin writes that Bohr was not a Feynman
"shut up and calculate" physicist, and from the above Dyson quote, it
appears that Feynman wasn't either. Lee writes, "Mara Beller, a
historian who has studied his [Bohr's] work in detail, points out that
there was not a single calculation in his research notebooks, which
were all verbal arguments and pictures." Please see MDT's Fig. 1 at
the end of this document. (Many more to come!)
In Dark Matters, Dr. Percy Seymour writes, "Albert Einstein was a
great admirer of Newton, Faraday, and Maxwell. In his office he had
framed copies of portraits of these scientists. He had this to say
about Faraday and Maxwell: "The greatest change in the axiomatic basis
of physics-in other words, of our conception of the structure-since
Newton laid the foundation of theoretical physics was brought about by
Faraday's and Maxwell's work on electromagnetic phenomena."
In his book Einstein, Banesh Hoffman (and Faraday) exalts physical
reality over mere math:

Meanwhile, however, the English experimenter Michael Farady was making
outstanding experimental discoveries in electricity and magnetism.
Being largely self-taught and lacking mathematical facility, he could
not interpret his results in the manner of Ampere. And this was
fortunate, since it led to a revolution in science. . . most
physicists adept at mathematics thought his concepts mathematically
naïve.

MDT Asks: Why Relativity, Entanglement, Entropy, Nonlocality, and
Time?

The important thing is not to stop questioning. -Einstein

[url]http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/238[/url]
[url]http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/432[/url]
[url]http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/511[/url]

found this @ facebook:
[url]http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2214376596&topic=10405[/
url]

Androcles

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"shakespeare physics" <shakespea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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What's your guys' take on Moving Dimensions Theory?

It's a load of fucking crap.


Uncle Al

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Oct 28, 2009, 6:50:39 AM10/28/09
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shakespeare physics wrote:
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> What's your guys' take on Moving Dimensions Theory?
[snip 284 lines of crap]

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"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics_p> wrote in message
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I agree with you 100% on that.

dlzc

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Oct 27, 2009, 11:52:24 PM10/27/09
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On Oct 27, 3:47 pm, shakespeare physics <shakespearephys...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> What's your guys' take on Moving Dimensions Theory?

Hokey crap. Excellent for using as compost, or for warming up cold
nights in the fireplace. You keep asking, but you really don't want
the answer. You just hope to draw traffic to your site.

David A. Smith

Juan R.

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Oct 28, 2009, 4:55:58 AM10/28/09
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shakespeare physics wrote on Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:47:22 -0700:

> What's your guys' take on Moving Dimensions Theory?

Nonsense.

--
http://www.canonicalscience.org/

BLOG:
http://www.canonicalscience.org/en/publicationzone/canonicalsciencetoday/canonicalsciencetoday.html

eratosthenes

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Oct 28, 2009, 6:31:40 AM10/28/09
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On Oct 28, 4:55 am, "Juan R." González-Álvarez

<juanREM...@canonicalscience.com> wrote:
> shakespeare physics wrote on Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:47:22 -0700:
>
> > What's your guys' take on Moving Dimensions Theory?

Since the writers are unwilling or unable to provide any calculations
for anything at all I am forced to say that it's a crapshoot.


Patrick

Sebastian Garth

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Oct 28, 2009, 9:49:11 AM10/28/09
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On Oct 27, 2:47 pm, shakespeare physics <shakespearephys...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> What's your guys' take on Moving Dimensions Theory?

[snip]

I *almost* responded to this post seriously, but then I had a good
mind to do a little research. Turns out, 1) this is the same crap
being posted under multiple accounts, and 2) the OP doesn't even have
the decency to respond to legitimate arguments, anyway.

So why bother?
<plonk>

Aleph

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Oct 28, 2009, 12:51:06 PM10/28/09
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On 27/10/2009 22:47, shakespeare physics pondered all too briefly and
then wrote:

> What's your guys' take on Moving Dimensions Theory? Seems it has a lot
> going for it based on this table (how accurate is this table?)

> <snip>

Boring reposts are a good sign you dont really know what you are going
on about.

There is nothing new in this drivel.

--
Aleph

This message was posted to usenet so please reply that way. Emails to
this account are very likely to be ignored.

shakespeare physics

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On Oct 27, 3:47 pm, shakespeare physics <shakespearephys...@gmail.com>
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> read more »...

seems like nobody has read it yet.

perhaps in another decade or so.

Androcles

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On Oct 27, 3:47 pm, shakespeare physics <shakespearephys...@gmail.com>
wrote:
<snip>
*plonk*

Do not reply to this generic message, it was automatically generated;
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Boringly stupid is the most common cause of kill-filing, but because
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Oct 30, 2009, 3:47:53 PM10/30/09
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On Oct 30, 9:34 am, shakespeare physics <shakespearephys...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[snip]

Quoting and then responding to yourself is the surest sign of mental
disorder. Way to go, ignoramus.

BURT

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Oct 30, 2009, 4:11:08 PM10/30/09
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If space and time aether move they don't go anywhere. They would be an
instantaneous motion in the infinitely small and nothing else.

Gravity flows this way.

Mitch Raemsch

Sebastian Garth

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Oct 30, 2009, 4:11:13 PM10/30/09
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To the contrary, it's been read, dissected, and thoroughly refuted.
The only person who has failed to read and properly respond here is
*you*. Perhaps in another ten minutes or so this meaningless theory
and it's sociopathic author will be forgotton, though. We can only
hope.

eric gisse

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Oct 30, 2009, 5:58:53 PM10/30/09
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shakespeare physics wrote:
[snip all]

Go away, spamming moron.

cjcountess

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Nov 7, 2009, 9:48:57 AM11/7/09
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I have a geometrical interpretation of E=mc^2, which I show is = to
Einstien's and Minkowsky's ict and as such accomplishes alot of the
same things as your theory, which you say = ic.

By showing that energy equals matter at a conversion frequency/
wavelength of "c" in the liniear direction times "c" in the 90 degree
angular direction, which creates a 90 degree arc trejectory, which if
constant creates a circle, for a balence of centrifugal and
centripital forces. I can show how. not only enrgy and matter are
equvalent, but space, time, charge, gravity, and temp, at this
coversion frequency/wavelength of c^2. It unifys special and general
relativity, as well as quantum physics, and alot more just as yours
does. But I can also show that the Planck length,time, and mass, is
not derived from, (c=h/2pi=G) but (c^2=h/2pi=G)and thus c^2 is the
level at which the Planck unites of M,L,E,G,Q,T and the others emerge
and are unified. But I am not here to argue any point just to say that
I am glad that you put this together as I can collaborate with some of
it. I also like how you prepare the reader by trying to get them to
approach this with an open mind as opposed to veiwing it in the light
of previously accepted theorys. I only ask that viewers approach my
idea in the same manner.

Conrad J Countess

cjcountess

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Nov 7, 2009, 10:27:10 AM11/7/09
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Oh yeh shakespeare physics

I do think that gravity can be quantitized in same way as energy and
mass as E or M = hf/c^2 becaues of the inertial mass / gravity mass
equvalence. The gravity constant of energy is (c = h) and the gravity
constant of rest mass is (c^2 = G h/2pi). This can be seen through
comparing (E=mc^2 with F=mv^2) (E=hf/c^2 with F=mv/r^2) and (E=hf/c^2
and F= Mm/r^2)(E=hf = mc^2 and F= Gmm/r^2). The equations in each set
of brakets are not only analogous to eachother, they are in direct
proportion to eachother, and are exactly equivalent on the quantum
level.

Conrad J Countess

cjcountess

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Nov 7, 2009, 10:41:26 AM11/7/09
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I meant to write (c^2 = G = h/2pi) and (c = h)

This new foundation of Planck units of mass, length, time, and the
like, and uses the electron Compton wavelength = to hx2pi, which is
inverse of h/2pi, as measure of momentum, the reduced Compton
wavelength, which is just the radius of the Compton wavelength. which
I can show = Swartzchild radious, electron frequency time cycle, and
electron mass which is (mc^2).

Conrad J Countess

Ahmed Ouahi, Architect

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" I have had a most rare vision, I have had a dream, past the wit of man to
say what dream it was, man is but an ass if he go about to expound this
dream, it shall be called bottom's dream, because it hath no bottom! "
-- Arthur Eddington

--
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!


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cjcountess

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Nov 7, 2009, 11:20:03 AM11/7/09
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This is Conrad Countess

Ahmed Quahi, Architect what is your theory?

I want to understand what you are trying to say.

Conrad J Counteaa

cjcountess

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Nov 7, 2009, 12:23:02 PM11/7/09
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Shakessphere

Here is also a point where our theorys overlap. The expanding ground
state energy field of space, is the inertial foundation upon which
waves and rest mass build, and might even be considered to be surfing
the expanding space as well as building mass upon its foundation.


The background dark energy field, already has mass of (c = h), on
quantum level, and further builds mass by deflecting energy against
the speed of light barriear of c = h, in the liniear direction into
the 90 degree angular direction which creates waves and therefore
might be considered (surfing the field of expanding space at speed of
c). Tis energy progresses at rate of E=hf/c^2, creating more mass with
higher frequency, which contributes to higher kinetic energy, higher
mass , momentum and shorter wavelengths, as energy builds mass
increasing until it reaches c in the 90 degree angular direction which
together = c^2 as E=hf = mc^2 which is rest mass.

Conrad J Countess

Ahmed Ouahi, Architect

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Nov 7, 2009, 12:29:20 PM11/7/09
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The point in a fact, is that a trying does takes a lot and a lot of a time,
as anything along that matter, requires a mostly a mind, whether it is a
certainly as it has had been already remarked when, t, is the supposed
proposed age of the universe, and, m e, is the mass of an electron, as, m
pr, is the mass of the proton, something which let the, G, a constant along
the gravitation, as the, c, would remains the speed of light as the, e, the
electron charge...

Therefore, as according to an infinite amount of hypothesis, the following
would be the most plausible along the numbers N1, N2 and root square of N,
that would be an equal matter along a small numerical factors along an order
unity, but this must be also according to the nature as would requires an
eventual formula, like, for instance, N1 = N2, or, N1 = 2N2...

For the time being, that, the number like 2, or 3, would not be so different
from the I, simply because it would be a smaller than the large numbers
along the formula, and would be be what the coefficients, is all about...

Therefore, as the N1 would be equal to ct/(e�/mec�)~10coef.40, which would
be equal to the supposed (size of the universe)/(electron radius) and N2
would be equal to e�/Gme mpr)~10coef.40...

Therefore, which also would be equal to an electromagnetic along a
gravitational force among the proton and the electron, and a simply the N,
would be equal c� t/Gmpr ~10coef.80, and this is what is all about, whether
would requires a define as a definite a changing as the age of the universe
along the time, t, as would be as follows, N1~N2~rsqN oo t, and this what is
all about, a definitely as a matter a fact...

--
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!


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cjcountess

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Ahmed Ouahi, Architect

This is Conrad Countess

Where did you get that from?

What does it actually mean in layman terms?

Please don't say that it is only understandable in mathematics,
because then I will question if you really understand and know it.
No disrespect meant but I can explain everything I say in everyday
language

For example, if I stated:

The ground state energy field expanding at "c" with kinetic energy of
"h" on quantum level, might be substituted for the Higg's field, as
the inertia foundation upon which all waves and rest mass is builds,
as energy oscillates about, analogous to orbiting, at E=hf/c^2. as if
"f", the variable, is mass/energy orbiting "h", the constant, which is
analogous to and directly proportional to, and in fact equal to F=mm/
r^2 on the quantum level.

Could you explain it as simple as that?

Conrad Countess


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been the first in inventing something. "
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Ahmed

Are you saying you have evedence of someone befor me clearly outlining
this?

I am not claiming to be the first to invent anything, other than what
I here stated, unless someone can point out where it was stated
earlier.

When I first introduced this idea to sci physics site, lots of so
called educated physicist said it did not make sence, so I figured
that it must be a new idea, at least in the form in which I presented
it. But as it becomes more and more clear through my own discription
of it and others discovering it, people are now claiming that it is
not new.
Oh well, I expected that.

But I do have it all on record and can confidently say that even if I
were not first to discover it, I am first as far as I know, to have
discovered it, and succesesfuly argue it.

But what I logged on this time to say is that I looked up the electron
"radious/universe age", relationb and found it very interesting.
Indeed there nust be a correspondence and proportionality constant
that relates both.

Furthermore I think that with my clear understanding of the electron
radious I might also be able to understant this corelationship as well

Thank you Ahmed

Conrad J Countess

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[snip]

WTF is that crap? It is completely useless in every way, shape, and
form.

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You know, I have heard of electron mass, time frequency cycle, and
length, being possible basic unites "natural", of nature, but with the
idea of electron as having no definitive structure, reducing it to
point particle and probibility wave, this was not clearly defined
either, and on top of that, the Planck scale which is also said to
represent this equating, (c, h/2pi, and G), gives rise to a mass,
length, and time, that fits noting known in nature, and is way out of
reach of expeirimental verification. But now with the geometrical
interpretation of (E=mc^2) as measure of basic unit, the electron
being its physical manifestation, I can clearly see this. As sush (c^2
( must be the factor and basic quantum unit of the size, age, and
length of the universe also as the universe is a multiple of c^2. Now
it is clear.


Conrad J Countess

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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:58:12 -0800, cjcountess wrote:

> You know, I have heard of electron mass, time frequency cycle, and
> length, being possible basic unites "natural", of nature, but with the
> idea of electron as having no definitive structure,

WHOSE idea is THAT?

Rado give us an
exquisitely crafted
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which, when you think
about, yields WHAT ELSE
COULD IT POSSIBLY BE?

> reducing it to point particle and probibility wave,

IS TOTAL INSANITY!

> this was not clearly defined either, and on top of that,
> the Planck scale which is also said to represent this equating,

"Said to represent?"

> (c, h/2pi, and G), gives rise to a mass,
> length, and time, that fits noting known in nature, and is way out of
> reach of expeirimental verification.

So we may dismiss it forever?

> But now with the geometrical
> interpretation of (E=mc^2) as measure of basic unit, the electron
> being its physical manifestation, I can clearly see this. As sush (c^2
> ( must be the factor and basic quantum unit of the size, age, and
> length of the universe also as the universe is a multiple of c^2. Now
> it is clear.
>
>
> Conrad J Countess

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> dimensions at the rate of c, dx4/dt=ic, and all of relativity is shown

> to naturally emerge in Dr. E's above paper, as does quantum mechanics'
> nonlocality and entanglement, wave-particle duality, space-time
> duality, mass-energy duality, entropy, and time and all its arrows and

> asymmetries.
>
> Behind it all is surely an idea so simple, so beautiful, that when we
> grasp it - in a decade, a century, or a millennium-we will all say to
> each other, how could it have been otherwise? How could we have been
> so stupid? -Wheeler
>
> Three Rules of Work: Out of clutter find simplicity; From discord find
> harmony; In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity. -Einstein
>
> MDT presents a physical principle more fundamental than Einstein's
> Principle of Relativity, as all of relativity naturally emerges from
> MDT's postulate, along with time and all its arrows. And too, MDT, via
> the natural smearing of locality into nonlocality heralded via the
> expansion of the fourth dimension, provides a physical model for
> quantum entanglement-that which Schrodinger stated was the
> "characteristic trait" of quantum mechanics. So it is that MDT

> provides a common, foundational physical model for quantum mechanics
> and relativity, thusly unifying them on a physical level. A simple
> postulate and equation dx4/dt=ic bestows upon us a myriad of profound
> consequences across all realms of physics-granting us both the
> "elementary foundations" for relativity that Einstein yet sought,
> [url]http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/432[/url]
> [url]http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/511[/url]
>

Silly string and moving space time.

Mitch Raemsch

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However, according to a planck's units of a time to an age of an universe,
which would be an equal or more than 10coef. 60, as the size of the
univertse as its mass also which would be an equal or more than 10coef.
60...

For the time being, when the density of the universe would be an equal or
more than 10coef. - 120, and the temperature of the universe, certainly
taken at three degree above an absolute zero, would be an equal or more than
10coef. -30, as all those units according to planck, would concern the
visible universe...

Therefore, as it is already known, for instance, that, when you do double
the distance between two objects an attraction among them becomes four times
weaker, otherwise, it would be something that would be formulated as follows
:
F = G Mm
_____
r�

However, as it should be paid an adequate attention to the fact, that any
physical constant along the number n along the dimensions of its own spaces
E, would a directly take to the function, which would also be as follows :
f(n) = n�(n� + 1)/2

Therefore, as a just you should aware, that can moves along two direction
which would be up to you, as to which kind of calculation, you do attempt
to, as also up to you, when you calculation would requires a degree three
along a polynomial equations, along which any result would be a doubling,
something which would take also to a complex solutions, as also as follows I
would be adding to you below, which would necessary to you what would
follows:

A system of Polynomial Equations
http://www.rimey.com/rimey/papers/sigsam.pdf


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cjcountess

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Than you Ahmed, I will look at it.

Shakespeare

I pointed out some similaritys, which are things I agree with in your
theory, and now I like to ask a question about something that I do not
agree with, because it makes no sense to me. It could very well be
correct, I don’t know, help me to understand.

How is it that you say a “single photon expands spherically”, which to
me means, “increases in size”, and yet maintain the constant
wavelength and amplitude, “not counting its moving in and out of
gravity fields, which would lengthen and shorten its wavelength, but
not change its amplitude”?

This is just one of many questions that I have, and please feel free
to ask me about my theory.

Conrad J Countess

cjcountess

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Ahmed,
If we use the electron mass, time frequency cycle, and length, which
are equal to c^2, according to my own geometrical interpretation of
E=mc^2 = E=mc^circled and are the real natural Planck units which are
also equal to (c^2 = h/2pi = G), you get different results than if you
use (c = h/2pi = G), which gives length of 1.6.10-35m, time of 10-43s,
and mass which matches no known particle in nature.

So it depends on which Planck units one uses, the ones built on (c,h/
2pi,G) which get you this complication or (c^2 = G = h/2pi) for which
we have a natural object as it manifestation which is electron and a
simple conversion factor (c^2 as c^circled = to h/2pi = hx2pi because
at this (1/1=1x1=1)= G)

If we use the electron mass length and time as basic units I am not
sure what the measurements will be but I bet they would be more
correct that using what are traditionally considered Planck units
which as I said are the equating of (c, h/2pi, G), when it should
simply be (c^2 = h/2pi = G) or simply c^2 the Universe age length and
time will be a multiple of c^2.

http://graham.main.nc.us/~bhammel/PHYS/planckunits.htm

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/planck/node2.html

http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/glossary/planck_time.html

http://graham.main.nc.us/~bhammel/PHYS/planckmass.html

Conrad J Countess

dre

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> dimensions at the rate of c, ...
>
> read more »

Can anyone refute any of these proofs?

Androcles

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Can anyone refute any of these proofs?

"Simple, logical proofs of MDT:

MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
remains in one place in the fourth dimension.

==========================================
Photons travel from A to B.
Proof by reductio-ad-absurdum.
Dead on arrival, drivellot.


BURT

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On Nov 8, 12:00 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_p> wrote:
> "dre" <drell...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Everything is moving. Everything is flowing. And the aether can be
still.

Mitch Raemsch

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> MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
> remains in one place in the fourth dimension.

Does relativity suggest this, beccause photons cycle as they move at c
through space, and although I agreed that they in a sense surf, to be
more accurate as I wass in an earlier post, if we looked at all
photons as just surfing, we could say that all photons travel at same
speed through space, and that higher frequency photons emerge more
rapidly but at the same speed as lower frequency photons, sort of like
a machine gun that fires more bullets in same amount of time, but with
same constant velocity, and they would have same energy, mass. and
momentum. But they actualy cycle as though they were orbiting
something, which could be considered a string by analogy, or a
constant mass, = to (h=c). And so equation E=hf/c^2 is exactly equal
to F=mv/r^2 and F=Mm/r^2 on quantum level. Sense higher cycles per
time unit, translate into higher kinetic energy, mass. and momentum,
it is as if they were moving faster than photons of lower frequency,
and if not in the linier direction, at least in the angular direction,
as opposed to being still and surfing

Quantum mechanics tells
> us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
> wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be
> expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate of c,
> in a spherically-symmetric manner.

How do you reconcil this statement, which seems to contridict the
first, with the first?

For the first time in the history of relativity,
> change has been wedded to the fundamental fabric of spacetime in MDT.

This is also not correct but I am not here to nit=pic, still I want to
know why you make statement I questioned

Conrad J Countess


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Whatsoever, as along that matter, anything is going a just fine, as it would
remind something which it remains as a crucial as a primordial matter, which
is the time matter, or at least an interval of that time, which it would
take to an approipriate combination, along that matter all along...

However, that an inteval time, which it would even take an appropriate
formula, first of all, which it would be as an interval which it would be an
equal matter to a 2pi square root(L/g), as along that matter the L, would be
the lenght of an appropriate moving and also the g...

Therefore, along that matter, would be an acceleration suitable along the
gravity on the shell of the earth, whether already we do know the constant
2pi, would be an equal or more to 6.28, which it should be closed to an
appropriate value as the I, something which makes anything to turn along any
approximation, all along...

For the time being, that any determination along that matter would remain
depending on the length L, and the acceleration g, to attempt to a time,
which it would be allowed its a possible combination a just along the square
root of the L/g, simply as that, and this what is all about, a definitely as
a matter a fact...

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2pi square root(L/g), as long as (c x 2 pi) = (c^2) as in my
geometrical interpretation of (E=mc^2) = (E=mc^circled) = (h x 2pi) =
(c x 2 pi). This would make (2pi = c), in this special case, and just
as c is sqrt of (c^2), so would (2pi). This would also = (G as L/T^2),
as (c^2), is the ultimate (L/T^2), and also energy in circular motion,
as (c in liniear direction x c in 90 degree angular direction)
creating a (90 degree arc), which if constant creates a circle, and

balence of centrifugal and centripital forces.

It would also = Einstien and Minkowsky's, (c x sqrt-1) or (ct x
sqrt-1) as I see not enough difference to invaldate this equality.

(E=mc^2) = (E=mc^circled) = (ct x sqrt -1) and (c = sqrt -1) also
(c^2) = (h / 2 pi) = (c / 2pi) for momentum and wavelengh being
inversly proportional to it = (h x 2pi) = (c x 2 pi)

Conrad J Countess

BURT

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Aether flows at the speed of light. That is the maximum speed of a
signal in time.

Mitch Raemsch

cjcountess

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Got a question for you Mitch Raemsch

How do you explain gravity's apparent faster than light probigation?
Is this illusion or what?

Conrad J Countess

Ahmed Ouahi, Architect

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Unfortunately or a fortunately, this is what, it has had been a major as an
extreme troubles to, einstien, but a people, in the meantime, in a general
and in a particular, they are not, or they are a definitely made not to see
any reality about the mentioned above...

However, as for instance, along the perimeter of a circle along a radius R,
when would cross 2piR, as a surface area of a sphere is a 4piR�...

Therefore, along that matter, the area of a circle would be piR�, as the
volume of a sphere is 4piR�, as the volume of a cube along an edge length R
would be R�, but a definitely the volume of a sphere along a radius R, would
be 4piR�/3...

However, something, that it is already known that the forces of nature are a
symmetrical matter, as does not have any difference along any directions,
neither...

Therefore, a simply means they are moving along a spherical symmetry, all
along, and this is what is all abot along that matter, a definitely as a
matter a fact...

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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:50:04 -0800, BURT wrote:

> On Nov 8, 4:24 pm, cjcountess <cjcount...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> 2pi square root(L/g), as long as (c x 2 pi) = (c^2) as in my
>> geometrical interpretation of (E=mc^2) = (E=mc^circled) = (h x 2pi) =
>> (c x 2 pi). This would make (2pi = c), in this special case, and just
>> as c is sqrt of (c^2), so would (2pi). This would also = (G as L/T^2),
>> as (c^2), is the ultimate (L/T^2), and also energy in circular motion,
>> as (c in liniear direction x c in 90 degree angular direction)
>> creating a (90 degree arc), which if constant creates a circle, and
>> balence of centrifugal and centripital forces.
>>
>> It would also = Einstien and Minkowsky's, (c x sqrt-1) or (ct x
>> sqrt-1) as I see not enough difference to invaldate this equality.
>>
>> (E=mc^2) = (E=mc^circled) = (ct x sqrt -1) and (c = sqrt -1) also
>> (c^2) = (h / 2 pi) = (c / 2pi) for momentum and wavelengh being
>> inversly proportional to it = (h x 2pi) = (c x 2 pi)
>>
>> Conrad J Countess
>

> Aether flows at the speed of light. That is the maximum speed of a
> signal in time.
>
> Mitch Raemsch


BRAVO!

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???? WHAT apparently faster-than-light propagagion?

Gravity IS an aether flow,
a sink-vortex to be exact,
and aether flows at the
speed of light.

Steve completely explains gravity,
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When configuration of things with high mass change their gravity
surrounding them changes by their change of position. So changes in
gravity strength happen when configurations of mass move and change.
Changes in gravity are below the speed of light as objects move
around.

Mitch Raemsch

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Can anyone refute any of these proofs?

"Simple, logical proofs of MDT:

MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon

remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells


us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be
expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate of c,

in a spherically-symmetric manner. The expansion of the fourth
dimension is the source of nonlocality, entanglement, time and all
its
arrows and asymmetries, c, relativity, entropy, free will, and all
motion, change, and measurement, for no measurement can be made

without change. For the first time in the history of relativity,


change has been wedded to the fundamental fabric of spacetime in MDT.

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"dre" <drel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can anyone refute any of these proofs?

Dead on arrival, drivel-lot.
Repeating your crap will not resurrect it, fuckwit.


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Androcles

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"dre" <drel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Can anyone refute any of these proofs?
==============================
Yes, you cretin. Any of your drivel-lot "proofs" can be refuted.


doug...@hotmail.com

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To all

I post this massage ealier today and although I got message of
successful post still I could not find my post.
Well upon return I found to my dismay that this post had been diverted
to another group curiously titled alt.morons. Is this what is people
who do not agree with you alowed are resorting to and is this allowed.
I know that everything I say may not be 100 percent correct but this
is rediculous and childish behavior. I suspected that some of my post
were sabotaged before because mistakes kept showing up that I know I
did not make but this is out right wrong and should not be permited.
Whoever is responsible for this step forward and I will debate you
personaly and fairly unless you are afraid.
COME FORTH COWARD SHOW YOURSELF!!

Ahmed, how are you?

To simplify things, we could translate your, "2pi square root(L/g)"
to
(sqrt of c^2) which is "c" and multiply it by 2pi which is equal to
(h x 2pi). The sqrt of c^2 on the short end of the EM spectrum, would
be radius of electron.


KONCHOK.PENDAY


Sounds interesting will look at it.


Dre,


With all due respect, I am realy curious as to how and where does
"quantum theory", tell us that, photons expand sphericaly at c, which
means it gets bigger exponentialy, at LxT^2. I could see how space,
as
ground state energy, as a whole does this, but a single photon?
PLEASE
EXPLAIN?


And again explain gravity's apparent faster than c probagation.


I already told you that I think gravity can be quantitised in same
way
as energy and matter because of inertial/gravity mass equvalence.
This
I saw because of my geometrical interpretation of E=mc^2.


Like I said just as (E=mc^2) = (m=Ec^2) because of energy /mass
equvalence (m=Ec^2) = (G=mc^2) because of inertia mass/gravity mass
equvalence. Einstien even stated in article on General Relativity
that
the grvity strenth of earth = rest energy of earth x c^2. And
furthermore because of geometrical interpretation of E=mc^2 it become
plain that (E=hf/c^2) = (F=mv/r^2) = (F=Gmm/r^2) and (E=mc^2) =
(F=mv^2) on quantum level exactly not just as analogies.


Conrad Countess


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It just happended again just who is dougny...@hotmail.com
this is not I I am cjcountess

cjcountess

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This is Conrad J Countess

To all

I post this massage earlier today and although I got message of


successful post still I could not find my post.
Well upon return I found to my dismay that this post had been diverted
to another group curiously titled alt.morons. Is this what is people

who do not agree with you allowed are resorting to and is this


allowed.
I know that everything I say may not be 100 percent correct but this
is rediculous and childish behavior. I suspected that some of my post
were sabotaged before because mistakes kept showing up that I know I
did not make but this is out right wrong and should not be permited.
Whoever is responsible for this step forward and I will debate you

personally and fairly unless you are afraid.


COME FORTH COWARD SHOW YOURSELF!!

Ahmed, how are you?

To simplify things, we could translate your, "2pi square root(L/g)"
to
(sqrt of c^2) which is "c" and multiply it by 2pi which is equal to
(h x 2pi). The sqrt of c^2 on the short end of the EM spectrum, would
be radius of electron.

KONCHOK.PENDAY

Sounds interesting will look at it.

Dre,

With all due respect, I am really curious as to how and where does
"quantum theory", tell us that, photons expand spherically at c, which
means it gets bigger exponentially, at LxT^2. I could see how space,


as
ground state energy, as a whole does this, but a single photon?
PLEASE
EXPLAIN?

And again explain gravity's apparent faster than c probigation.

I already told you that I think gravity can be quantitized in same
way
as energy and matter because of inertial/gravity mass equivalence.


This
I saw because of my geometrical interpretation of E=mc^2.

Like I said just as (E=mc^2) = (m=Ec^2) because of energy /mass

equivalence (m=Ec^2) = (G=mc^2) because of inertia mass/gravity mass
equivalence. Einstien even stated in article on General Relativity
that
the gravity strength of earth = rest energy of earth x c^2. And

Androcles

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<doug...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> To all
>
> I post this massage ealier today and although I got message of
> successful post still I could not find my post.

Redirected to the appropriate newsgroup. Get your massage there.


cjcountess

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Hey Guys

Some one is seriously compromising the integrity of this newsgroup.
Look at this post that I submitted earlier which was diverted to this
alt.moron site.
I think it is halarious.

Is somebody out there threatened by my work?

I tried to remove it but was not successful. Oh well, I guess I'll
just have to let it stand as a warning to us all, that someone is
playing very dirty.

Conrad J Countess

cjcountess

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This is Conrad J Countess again

I forgot to include the post and name they used.

It is my post, but not my name, and I certainly would not post to any
group called "alt.moron"

Should not this person be made to account for this?

Do not I deserve an explanation?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.morons/browse_frm/thread/e1ca79ce042e139/99098a1f2ed8a614?q=con

Who is this guy "dougny...@hotmail.com"

This is not me guys I am being sabotaged.

But they can't stop the truth.

If my idea is so wrong than just argue your case with evidence and
logic.

What is this person afraid of ??

Conrad J Countess

Ahmed Ouahi, Architect

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Nov 10, 2009, 7:51:34 PM11/10/09
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Conrad,

First of all, I would like to talk to you about, this "alt.moron", matter,
which it seems has had disturbed you as it does disturb any one, you should
be sure about that...

Whatsoever, just do not ever worry about, and do not even pay any attention
to it, as it is not the first time, that, this useless mess, has had
happened along any intersting discussing especially...

Therefore, when you should know, that it is something which it has had got
the birth along any totalitarian system, that always has had freighten them,
simply the thought of a people...

However, and the things are a simply as that, anytime, along that matter,
when they show their misery, and their weakness along the thought of a
people, it is the only way that they have had found the disturb that thought
of a people...

For the time being, as it is already known, that any totalitarian system has
had always think, that he should be the most perfect of the universe...

However, something which it has had turned them to an illusion, that they
ever know what and how to conter it, and how to get out from that illusion,
when the time matter is hitting very had...

Therefore, especially along the power of the internet, along which they do
those totalitarians systems, let all the dirty work, along that matter to
the servers of the internet...

However, which are a just following the orders out of an any understanding
of anything along that matter, all along, and this what is all about a
simply as that, a definitely as a matter a fact...

NB: However, in an either case, we would as we should go on along our
discussing latter, do not ever worry for that, you should be sure and a
certain, nothing really matter, and none can ever change anything along that
matter...

--
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!


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Ahmed Ouahi, Architect

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Conrad,


"cjcountess" <cjcou...@yahoo.com> kirjoitti
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cjcountess

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Ahmed, You are indeed correct.

Thank you for that response

Conrad J Countess

To the various authors of

MOVING DIMENSIONS THEORY

Your theory is interesting, very comprehensive, and radiates
enthusiasm but you lose me at the point where you claim that a single
photon expands sphericaly at c. Do any of you have a simpler
explination.

One of you,Dr. McGuken, claims to have attended Princeton university
under John Wheeler and got a highly favorable recomodation from him.
That is a great achievment, which gives me more confidence in your
work. But that alone is not enough to convince me that photons expand
sphericaly at c through space, while at same time siting still in time
dimension.

Conrad J Countess

BURT

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Space amd time move but not like matter.

MItch Raemsch

cjcountess

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Thank you Androcles

KONCHOK.PENDAY

I quess you know by now that I do not go by the name dougny, but
"Conrad J Countess".
Whoever this guy is who hijacked my post, I guess he wants to get
credit for what I am saying also,

Oh well, I just want to say that, I find your post and links very
interesting and inspiring, and I agree with alot of it.
I will read more and get back to you, maybe on a different thread,
because it is, as I said, of great interest to me

Conrad J Countess

KONCHOK.PENDAY

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:48:12 -0800, cjcountess wrote:

> Thank you Androcles

????

> KONCHOK.PENDAY

?Yes?

> I quess you know by now that I do not go by the name dougny, but
> "Conrad J Countess".
> Whoever this guy is who hijacked my post, I guess he wants to get
> credit for what I am saying also,

I noticed you were upset about your posts
appearing on "alt.moron". Before that u
saw an impatient detractor had insulted
you and set "Reply-to" at "alt.moron".

I suspect that you just automatically
replied to that post: which posted to
"alt.moron". Just watch your headers.

[I guess this paragraph is to KP.]


> Oh well, I just want to say that,
> I find your post and links very
> interesting and inspiring,

FANTASTIC!

> and I agree with alot of it.

Then you're off to a
great start already!

> I will read more and get back to you,

FANTASTIC!

YOU'LL BE
THRILLED!

> maybe on a different thread,
> because it is, as I said, of great interest to me
>
> Conrad J Countess

THEN YOU WILL BE A
BIG WINNER SHORTLY!

READ RADO!


O
--- )
\


NEWSGROUPS:
alt.ucp,alt.conspiracy,alt.sci.physics,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
PERMALINK: http://net-prophet.net/blog/?p=1404

Ahmed Ouahi, Architect

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Periodic Function
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PeriodicFunction.html

Periodic Functions
http://library.thinkquest.org/2647/algebra/ftperiod.htm

Analyzing a Periodic Function
http://www.math.montana.edu/frankw/ccp/multiworld/virtual/FourSer/body.htm

Transformations of Periodic Functions
http://cs.jsu.edu/~leathrum/Mathlets/periodic.html

Periodic Function
http://www.mathresources.com/products/mathresource/maa/periodic_function.html

Elliptic Integral
http://www.mathresources.com/products/mathresource/maa/elliptic_integral.html

Worst Cases of a Periodic Functions for Large Arguments
http://www.lirmm.fr/arith18/papers/hanrot-WorstCasesPeriodic.pdf


--
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!


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cjcountess

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Ahmed this is interesting

It's good exersize to test a theory against a practical problem such
as "Worst Cases of a Periodic Function for Large Arguments". Will look
at it and report back.

Conrad J Countess

dre

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Can anyone refute any of these proofs?

"Simple, logical proofs of MDT:

Androcles

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"dre" <drel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can anyone refute any of these proofs?
>
> "Simple, logical proofs of MDT:

Been done, drivel-lot. Nobody is interested.

cjcountess

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Hi Dre This is Conrad J Countess

Your group has an interesting theory, which is very conprehensive, and
obviously very inspiring to you all, and to myself, as I enjoy
learning about physics, especialy where it overlaps with and
constructivly reinforces my own. But also, I am interested in ideas
that destructively interfere with my own and will gladly debate them.

Quantum Physics tells us that photons expand sphericaly at c??

Where does it say this and what exactly does it nean?

You have a greate theory in my opinion, with the exception of that and
several other statements that we can take one at a time.

Just because I don't agree with everything in the theory, does not
mean that I should discard the whole theory, and I won't.

Could one of your group help clear this up for me?

Conrad J Countess

Ahmed Ouahi, Architect

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" There exists, if I am not mistaken, an entire world which is the totality
of mathematical truths, to which we have access only with our mind, just as
a world of physical reality exists, the one like the other independent of
ourselves, both of divine creation. "
-- Charles Hermite

Information theory, inference, and learning algorithms
http://books.google.fi/books?id=AKuMj4PN_EMC&dq=Information+Theory&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=EJlqi97vEd&sig=O2zVgpNnZtRC4UI1-bp1pIZqNFU&hl=fi&ei=u6RsSqXaJ4uL-QaagoGMCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7EntropyandInformation#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Chaotic oscillators: theory and applications
http://books.google.fi/books?id=nxQxtKn_LugC&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=Michel+H%C3%A9non&source=bl&ots=V9xu2onJTm&sig=NcgKdcMukttwIanPvCc6NhlbZbA&hl=fi&ei=fMa0Su-UOpGD-Qau_dDvCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=&f=falsePhilosophy of Quantum Physics, No BS | 1. Stern-Gerlach Exp.http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=waK4eKNXB4A&feature=relatedPhilosophy of Quantum Physics No BS | pt 2 EPRhttp://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=F8PjWddmM2s&feature=related--Ahmed Ouahi, ArchitectBest Regards!"dre" <drel...@gmail.com> kirjoittiviestiss�:e61b2928-c1af-46bb...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...> Can anyone refute any of these proofs?>> "Simple, logical proofs of MDT:>> MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon> remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells> us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding> wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be> expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate of c,> in a spherically-symmetric manner. The expansion of the fourth> dimension is the source of nonlocality, entanglement, time and all> its> arrows and asymmetries, c, relativity, entropy, free will, and all> motion, change, and measurement, for no measurement can be made> without change. For the first time in the history of relativity,> change has been wedded to the fundamental fabric of spacetime in MDT.> MDT PROOF#2: Einstein (1912 Man. on Rel.) and Minkowski wrote x4=ict.> Ergo dx4/dt=ic.> MDT PROOF#3: The only way to stay stationary in the three spatial> dimensions is to move at c through the fourth dimension. The only way> to stay stationary in the fourth dimension is to move at c through> the> three spatial dimensions. Ergo the fourth dimension is moving at c> relative to the three spatial dimensions.> MDT twitter proof (limited to 140 characters): SR: photon is> stationary in 4th dimension. QM: photon is probability wave expanding> @ c. Ergo: 4th dimension expands @ c & MDT: dx4/dt=ic -from [url]> http://twitter.com/45surf[/url] "

Ahmed Ouahi, Architect

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" There exists, if I am not mistaken, an entire world which is the totality
of mathematical truths, to which we have access only with our mind, just as
a world of physical reality exists, the one like the other independent of
ourselves, both of divine creation. "
-- Charles Hermite


Philosophy of Quantum Physics, No BS | 1. Stern-Gerlach Exp.
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=waK4eKNXB4A&feature=related

Philosophy of Quantum Physics No BS | pt 2 EPR
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=F8PjWddmM2s&feature=related


--
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect

dre

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Nov 12, 2009, 4:25:30 PM11/12/09
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Hello Conrad,

In its simplest form in free space, a photon is represented by a
spherically-symetric probabilistic wavefront.

Surely you have heard of Huygens' Principle and Young's Double Slit
Experiment?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens%E2%80%93Fresnel_principle

In relativity a photon remains stationary in the fourth dimension. A
photon is timeless and ageless. Surely you have heard of Einstein's
Relativity?

Bret Cahill

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Is this like rotating dimensions theory?


Bret Cahill

BURT

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On Nov 12, 1:49 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
> Is this like rotating dimensions theory?
>
> Bret Cahill

There is only one higher dimension and it is spatial. It is the
hypersphere geometry of the closed universe. It is what is called
unbounded. Einstein saw it. Hawking made it into a proposal. And I am
carrying it to geometry.

Mitch Raemsch

BURT

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On Nov 8, 5:02 pm, cjcountess <cjcount...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Got a question for you Mitch Raemsch
>
> How do you explain gravity's apparent faster than light probigation?
> Is this illusion or what?
>
> Conrad J Countess

When an object moves its surrounding gravity moves with it at all
scales.

dre

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On Nov 10, 12:28 pm, dougny...@hotmail.com wrote:
> To all
>
> I post this massage ealier today and although I got message of
> successful post still I could not find my post.
> Well upon return I found to my dismay that this post had been diverted
> to another group curiously titled alt.morons. Is this what is people
> who do not agree with you alowed are resorting to and is this allowed.
> I know that everything I say may not be 100 percent correct but this
> is rediculous and childish behavior. I suspected that some of my post
> were sabotaged before because mistakes kept showing up that I know I
> did not make but this is out right wrong and should not be permited.
> Whoever is responsible for this step forward and I will debate you
> personaly and fairly unless you are afraid.
> COME FORTH COWARD SHOW YOURSELF!!
>
> Ahmed, how are you?
>
> To simplify things, we could translate your, "2pi square root(L/g)"
> to
> (sqrt of c^2) which is "c" and multiply it by  2pi which is equal to
> (h x 2pi). The sqrt of c^2 on the short end of the EM spectrum, would
> be radius of electron.
>
> KONCHOK.PENDAY
>
> Sounds interesting will look at it.
>
> Dre,
>
>  With all due respect, I am realy curious as to how and where does
> "quantumtheory", tell us that, photons expand sphericaly at c, which

> means it gets bigger exponentialy, at LxT^2. I could see how space,
> as
> ground state energy, as a whole does this, but a single photon?
> PLEASE
> EXPLAIN?
>
> And again explain gravity's apparent faster than c probagation.
>
> I already told you that I think gravity can be quantitised in same
> way
> as energy and matter because of inertial/gravity mass equvalence.
> This
> I saw because of my geometrical interpretation of E=mc^2.
>
> Like I said just as (E=mc^2) = (m=Ec^2) because of energy /mass
> equvalence (m=Ec^2) = (G=mc^2) because of inertia mass/gravity mass
> equvalence. Einstien even stated in article on General Relativity
> that
> the grvity strenth of earth = rest energy of earth x c^2. And
> furthermore because of geometrical interpretation of E=mc^2 it become
> plain that (E=hf/c^2) = (F=mv/r^2) = (F=Gmm/r^2) and (E=mc^2) =
> (F=mv^2) on quantum level exactly not just as analogies.
>
> Conrad Countess

Hello Conrad,

In its simplest form in free space, a photon is represented by a
spherically-symetric probabilistic wavefront.


Surely you have heard of Huygens' Principle and Young's Double Slit
Experiment?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens%E2%80%93Fresnel_principle


In relativity a photon remains stationary in the fourth dimension. A
photon is timeless and ageless. Surely you have heard of Einstein's
Relativity?

dre

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On Nov 12, 11:30 am, "Ahmed Ouahi, Architect" <ahmed.ou...@welho.com>
wrote:

> " There exists, if I am not mistaken, an entire world which is the totality
> of mathematical truths, to which we have access only with our mind, just as
> a world of physical reality exists, the one like the other independent of
> ourselves, both of divine creation. "
> -- Charles Hermite
>
> Information theory, inference, and learning algorithmshttp://books.google.fi/books?id=AKuMj4PN_EMC&dq=Information+Theory&pr...
>
> Chaotic oscillators: theory and applicationshttp://books.google.fi/books?id=nxQxtKn_LugC&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=Mich...
>
> Philosophy of Quantum Physics, No BS | 1. Stern-Gerlach Exp.http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=waK4eKNXB4A&feature=related
>
> Philosophy of Quantum Physics No BS | pt 2 EPRhttp://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=F8PjWddmM2s&feature=related

>
> --
> Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
> Best Regards!
>
> "dre" <drell...@gmail.com>
> kirjoittiviestissä:e61b2928-c1af-46bb-b5fb-43ab8a4b7...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

>
> > Can anyone refute any of these proofs?>> "Simple, logical proofs of MDT:
> >> MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
> > remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells> us
> > that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
> > wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be
> > expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate of c,
> > in a spherically-symmetric manner. The expansion of the fourth
> > dimension is the source of nonlocality, entanglement, time and all
> > its> arrows and asymmetries, c, relativity, entropy, free will, and all
> > motion, change, and measurement, for no measurement can be made
> > without change. For the first time in the history of relativity,
> > change has been wedded to the fundamental fabric of spacetime in MDT.
> > MDT PROOF#2: Einstein (1912 Man. on Rel.) and Minkowski wrote x4=ict.>
> > Ergo dx4/dt=ic.
> > MDT PROOF#3: The only way to stay stationary in the three spatial
> > dimensions is to move at c through the fourth dimension. The only way
> > to stay stationary in the fourth dimension is to move at c through
> > the
> > three spatial dimensions. Ergo the fourth dimension is moving at c
> > relative to the three spatial dimensions.
> > MDT twitter proof (limited to 140 characters): SR: photon is
> > stationary in 4th dimension. QM: photon is probability wave expanding
> > @ c. Ergo: 4th dimension expands @ c & MDT: dx4/dt=ic -from [url]
> >http://twitter.com/45surf[/url] "
>
>

Hello Conrad,

In its simplest form in free space, a photon is represented by a
spherically-symetric probabilistic wavefront.

Surely you have heard of Huygens' Principle and Young's Double Slit
Experiment?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens%E2%80%93Fresnel_principle

In relativity a photon remains stationary in the fourth dimension. A
photon is timeless and ageless. Surely you have heard of Einstein's
Relativity?

Can anyone refute any of these proofs?

cjcountess

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Are you sure that the "Huygens principle" does not mean that "a
volume" of photons radiate spherically from a point source in an
expanding manner, instead of "just 1" photon expanding spherically?


Conrad J Countess

cjcountess

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Nov 13, 2009, 4:40:57 PM11/13/09
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Burt

I hear what you are saying, but I want you to describe it.

If you cannot that is ok, because sometimes we see things ourselves
that we cannot clearly explain to others, and it would not necessarily
mean that you did not know what you are talking about just because you
cannot explain it.

I can tell from what you said that you know what you are talking
about.

I just want to know if you have a more complete description.

Conrad J Countess.

dre

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Nov 13, 2009, 7:31:19 PM11/13/09
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Conrad,

Photons interfere with themselves. Conduct the young's double slit
experiment with one photon at a time and you will still see the
interference pattern develop, as each photon interferes with itself.
Please read feynman's lectures on this and his qed.
Thanks.

cjcountess

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Nov 14, 2009, 9:27:38 AM11/14/09
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So are you saying that, sense photons interfere with themselves,
indicating a substructure, that they do indeed, as individials, expand
sphericaly?

Conrad J Countess

dre

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Nov 14, 2009, 11:36:57 AM11/14/09
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A photon's wave interfers with itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

When light came to be understood as the result of electrons falling
from higher energy orbits to lower energy orbits, the light that is
delivered to some surface in any short interval of time came to be
understood as ordinarily representing the arrival of very many
photons, each with its own wave front. In understanding what actually
happens in the two-slit experiment it became important to find out
what happens when photons are emitted one by one.[11]

When it became possible to perform that experiment, it became apparent
that a single photon has its own wave front that passes through both
slits, and that the single photon will show up on the detector screen
according to the net probability values resulting from the co-
incidence of the two probability waves coming by way of the two slits.
When a great number of photons are sent through the apparatus one by
one and recorded on photographic film, the same interference pattern
emerges that had been seen before when many photons were being emitted
at the same time. The low intensity double-slit experiment was first
performed by Taylor in 1909,[13] by reducing the level of incident
light until on average only one photon was being transmitted at a time.
[11] Note that it is the probabilities of photons appearing at various
points along the detection screen that add or cancel. So if there is a
cancellation of waves at some point that does not mean that a photon
disappears; it means that the probability of a photon's appearing at
that point will disappear, and the probability that it will appear
somewhere else increases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens%E2%80%93Fresnel_principle

cjcountess

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Nov 14, 2009, 12:48:00 PM11/14/09
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Dre this is Conrad Countess again

Can you simply answer the question above yes or no?

Conrad J Countess

By the way, how is it going with the contest, and did anybody win yet?

dre

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Nov 14, 2009, 1:50:03 PM11/14/09
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In its simplest form, a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric
probability wave expanding at c. And yes--a photon's sphecially-
symmetic porobability wave interferes with itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment


cjcountess

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Nov 14, 2009, 3:10:59 PM11/14/09
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O.K. Dre,

I don't know if you are avoiding answering my simple question or not,
so I'll ask it in a different way: Do you mean to say that one photon
expands in size relative to space sphericaly?

And furthermore, what do you think of my idea
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_101hgtjv9fb&hl=en

A summary which can be stated as:

1) Planck discovered E=hf for photons
2) Einstein discovered E=mc^2 for electron's/matter
3) deBroglie discovered (E=hf) = (E=mc^2) for electron and that
electron was also a wave.
4) Bohr discovered that the wavelength of electron is equal to
circumference of circle with angular momentum of a multiple integer of
h/2pi

5) Therefore it follows from this and other evidence, that (E=mc^2) =
(E= mc^circled) and c=(square root of -1)

Also feel free to ask any questions

Conrad J Countess

dre

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On Nov 14, 12:10 pm, cjcountess <cjcount...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> O.K. Dre,
>
> I don't know if you are avoiding answering my simple question or not,
> so I'll ask it in a different way: Do you mean to say that one photon
> expands in size relative to space sphericaly?

A photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric probablistic wavefront
expanding at c, centered at the source of the photon's emission.

dre

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On Nov 14, 12:10 pm, cjcountess <cjcount...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> O.K. Dre,
>
> I don't know if you are avoiding answering my simple question or not,
> so I'll ask it in a different way: Do you mean to say that one photon
> expands in size relative to space sphericaly?
>
> And furthermore, what do you think of my ideahttp://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_101hgtjv9fb&hl=en

>
> A summary which can be stated as:
>
> 1) Planck discovered E=hf for photons
> 2) Einstein discovered E=mc^2 for electron's/matter
> 3) deBroglie discovered (E=hf) = (E=mc^2) for electron and that
> electron was also a wave.
> 4) Bohr discovered that the wavelength of electron is equal to
> circumference of circle with angular momentum of a multiple integer of
> h/2pi
>
> 5) Therefore it follows  from this and other evidence, that (E=mc^2) =
> (E= mc^circled) and c=(square root of -1)
>
>  Also feel free to ask any questions
>
> Conrad J Countess

In its simplest form, a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric

dre

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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experimenthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens%E2%80%93Fresnel_principle
> @ c. Ergo: 4th dimension expands @ c & MDT: dx4/dt=ic -from [url]http://twitter.com/45surf[/url] "- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Moving Dimensions Theory’s Fundamental Clues: Questions That Are
Answered with "Because the Fourth Dimension is Expanding Relative to
the Three Spatial Dimensions: dx4/dt=ic"

Einstein stated that curiosity is more important than knowledge, but
all too often modern physicists forget to ask fundamental questions.
Below is a list of question that neither LQG nor string theory, nor
any other “professional” research programs, ask. Indeed, as subprime
bureaucracies have grown and politics has replaced physics, asking
questions has been deemed impolite. But we press on, regardless!

Imagine a simple theory that both asked and answered the following
questions:

MDT’s Fundamental Clues

Einstein stated that curiosity is more important than knowledge, but
all too often modern physicists forget to ask fundamental questions.
Below is a list of question that neither LQG nor string theory, nor
any other “professional” research programs, ask. Indeed, as subprime
bureaucracies have grown and politics has replaced physics, asking
questions has been deemed impolite. But we press on, regardless!

Imagine a simple theory that both asked the following questions, and
answered each and every one with: "Because the Fourth Dimension is
Expanding Relative to the Three Spatial Dimensions: dx4/dt=ic"

1. Why is light’s velocity a constant c?
2. Why is light’s velocity c independent of its source?
3. Why is it that nothing can travel faster than c?
4. Why does a photon, which travels at c, not age?
5. Why does a photon’s spherically symmetric path define simultaneity—
a locality in the fourth dimension?
5. Why are energy and mass equivalent? Why E=mc^2?
6. Why do all of time’s arrows point in the same direction—towards
dissipation, decoherence, and entropy?
7. Why do so many physicists say time is the fourth dimension, when
Einstein never said x4 is time, but instead said x4 = ict?
8. Why can matter can appear as energy or mass?
9. Why is it that when matter appears as pure energy, it propagates at
c through space?
10. Why does all matter have particle—local—and wave—nonlocal—
properties?
11. Why does all energy have particle—local—and wave—nonlocal—
properties?
12. Why is it that when matter appears as stationary mass, it
propagates at c through the fourth dimension?
13. Why is it that when matter appears as energy, it propagates at c
through the fourth dimension?
14. Why is it that to move at c through space is to stand still in the
fourth dimension?
15. Why is it that to move at c through the fourth dimension is to
stand still in space?
16. Why is it that all objects move at but one speed through space-time
—c?
17. Why is the universe is expanding?
18. Why does radiation expand outwards, but not inwards?
19. Why do we see retarded waves, but not advanced?
19. Why is it that Entropy imitates the general motion of all
radiation and the universe’s expansion—a spherically-symmetric
expanding wave?
20. Why is it that Huygens’ Principle, which underlies all reality
ranging from QED to Feynman’s many-paths, to classical physics, states
that every point of a spherically-expanding wavefront is in turn a
spherically-expanding wavefront?
21. Why are all photons described by a spherically-expanding wavefront
propagating at c?
22. Why is it that two initially-interacting photons remain entangled,
no matter how far they travel apart?
23. Why is it that two initially-interacting photons remain the exact
same age as when they began, no matter how far they travel?
24. Why is it that Young’s double-slit experiments show that mass and
energy have nonlocal wave properties?
25. Why is it that the collapse of the wave function is immediate in
the photoelectric effect?
26. Why is there no way for an object to gain velocity without being
reduced in length via relativistic length contraction?
27. Why does a photon trace out a null vector through space-time?
28. Why does time’s arrow points in a definitive direction?
29. Why does entropy increase?
30. Why do Moving clocks run slow?
31. Why is time travel into the past impossible?
32. Why does free will exist?
33. Why is it that time is not frozen—how come the block universe does
not exist?
34. Why does a photon’s probabilistic wavefront travels at c?
45. Why is the velocity of quantum entanglement c? Why is it that only
initially interacting particles can yet be entangled? Why is it that
they must first share a locality, in order to share a nonlocality?
36. Why is it that in Schroedinger’s equation, the first derivative
with respect to the fourth dimension is proportional two the second
derivative with the respect to the three spatial dimensions? Any
change in position in the fourth expanding dimension is an
acceleration in the three spatial dimensions.
37. Why is it that a photon emitted from the sun is redshifted as it
travels away? Its wavelength appears longer as it is measured against
space that is less-stretched. A photon inherits the local geometry of
the spacetime where it was emitted.
38. Why do clocks in gravitational fields run slow?
39. Why are photons redshifted as they move away from massive objects,
and blueshifted as they move towards them?
40. Why the conservation laws? Why does an object maintain its
rotation in space time?
41. Why is the velocity of every object through space-time c?
42. Why is it that the only way to stay stationary in the fourth
dimension is to move at c through the three spatial dimensions?
43. Why is it that the only way to remain stationary in the three
spatial dimensions is to move at c relative to the fourth dimension?
44. Why does a photon have zero rest mass, and how does zero rest mass
imply the velocity of light? None of the object’s matter exists in the
three spatial dimensions, but only in the fourth expanding dimension.

Firstoff, imagine a universe where one was allowed to ask such
questions; instead of having to engage in groupthink mathematics and
snarky politics for tenure; while bringing the advancement of
theoretical physics to a halt for the last thirty years or so. And
then imagine if there was one simple principle underlying and unifying
all these questions and clues with a fundamental physical model. That
would be MDT: The fourth dimension is expanding relative to the three
spatial dimensions.
dx4/dt = ic

The fourth dimension expands at the rate of c.
The fourth dimension has local and nonlocal properties.
Entropy results as the local becomes nonlocal—as a point of the fourth
expanding dimension expands in a spherically-symmetric manner,
dragging all of entirety along with it.
Quantum Mechanics’ nonlocality and entropy are inextricably linked, as
the fourth dimension expands at c, and carries photons and particles
apart.
Photons surf the fourth expanding dimension.
Energy is but matter trapped on the fourth expanding dimension. Hence
E=mc^2.
All matter has vast potential for energy, if only it is rotated into
the fourth expanding dimension.
General Relativity freezes the fourth dimension, whereas quantum
mechanics is built upon its flux—hence the differential operators.
Entropy and Huygens’ principle rest upon the fourth expanding
dimension, as do all photons which surf its expanding wavefront.
Nonlocality arises because the fourth dimension is nonlocal as it
expands.
Simultaneity is relative because our measurement of time is relative
to our propagation with respect to the fourth expanding dimension.
Time, as measured in our watches and perceived in the stored order of
our memories, is not the fourth dimension, but a phenomenon that
emerges because a fourth dimension is expanding relative to the three
spatial dimensions.
The block universe does not exist, as the past is but a memory of a
state that is long since gone.
Wave interference arises because of probability interference, and
probability is defined by the expansion of the fourth dimension, which
distributes the locality of a dimensions upon an spherically-symmetric
wavefront, where all points yet are one point in that dimension; until
the wave is measured, and the particle is localized in the three
spatial dimensions.
All motion requires that an object have a component in the source of
all motion—the fourth expanding dimension. Hence all moving objects
are foreshortened.

cjcountess

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Dre, if you are correct on all these counts than your theory is indeed
a paridigm shift, and will revolutionize physics. Even if it is not
correct on all, but on some, it still will have profound effect. But
if it all depends on the statement:

Moving Dimensions Theory’s Fundamental Clues: Questions That Are
Answered with "Because the Fourth Dimension is Expanding Relative to
the Three Spatial Dimensions: dx4/dt=ic"

And if this in tern also means:

MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells
us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be
expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate of c,
in a spherically-symmetric manner.

Where and how does relativity, tell us that photon is timeless and
ageless?

Where and how does quantum mechanics, tell us that a photon propagates
as a spherical-symmetricaly expanding wavefront?

Photons move, and have time cycles. They also do not expand at c,
relative to the space dimension that we percieve as being still, do
they?

Make your idea more plain. I am not saying that it is completely wrong
as alot of what you say is very insightfull.

I just cannot see these statements as being clear.

Did "John Archibald Wheeler" write a crtiquig at any stage of its
development? I am curious as to what he would say about those specific
statements.

I mean you no disrespect in my questioning, as I too have a theory of
my own, that I defend all the time. I love defending my theory, and if
a mistake is pointed out in it, I try to axcept and correct it, as I
do believe that the main idea is correct, even if the specifics might
need tweaking. I am curious as to your thoughts on it also.

We can only make eachother better if we critiuqe eachother in a
truthful and respectful spirit.

Conrad J Countess

dre

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Hello Conrad!

You ask, "Where and how does relativity, tell us that photon is
timeless and
ageless?

Where and how does quantum mechanics, tell us that a photon propagates
as a spherical-symmetricaly expanding wavefront? "

Relativity tells us that time stops at the velocity of light:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
http://books.google.com/books?id=875TTxildJ0C&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=einstein+time+stops+speed+of+light&source=bl&ots=W9tEPrXYol&sig=TcZPJ0cOThjrPm838uPKGsD5cRo&hl=en&ei=u_MCS9HmIovStAOTsti4BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CCYQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=einstein%20time%20stops%20speed%20of%20light&f=false
http://gardneracademy.com/Documents/The%204th%20dimension%20%20of%20time.pdf
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=einstein+time+stops+speed+of+light&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Quantum Mechanics tells us that a photon travels as a probabilistic
wavefront expanding at c:

http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/Harrison/DoubleSlit/DoubleSlit.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc
http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/schroedinger/two-slit2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/Harrison/DoubleSlit/DoubleSlit.html


A photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric probablistic wavefront
expanding at c, centered at the source of the photon's emission.

Can anyone refute any of these proofs?

"Simple, logical proofs of MDT:

MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon


remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells
us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be
expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate of c,

dre

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> Relativity tells us that time stops at the velocity of light:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilationhttp://books.google.com/books?id=875TTxildJ0C&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=e...http://gardneracademy.com/Documents/The%204th%20dimension%20%20of%20t...http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=einstein+time+stops+spe...

>
> Quantum Mechanics tells us that a photon travels as a probabilistic
> wavefront expanding at c:
>
> http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/Harrison/DoubleSlit/Do...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGchttp://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/schroedinger/two-slit2.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experimenthttp://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/Harrison/DoubleSlit/Do...
> @ c. Ergo: 4th dimension expands @ c & MDT: dx4/dt=ic -from [url]http://twitter.com/45surf[/url] "- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What's your guys' take on Moving Dimensions Theory? Seems it has a
lot
going for it based on this table (how accurate is this table?)

[url]http://www.fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/
Moving_Dimensions_Theory__Heros_Journey_Physics.pdf[/url]


[url]http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/511[/url]


What is Ultimately Possible in Physics? Physics! A Hero's Journey
with
Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Planck, Einstein, Schrodinger,
Bohr, and the Greats towards Moving Dimensions Theory. E pur si
muove!
by Dr. Elliot McGucken


ABSTRACT:
Over the past few decades prominent physicists have noted that
physics
has diverged away from its heroic journey defined by boldly
describing, fathoming, and characterizing foundational truths of
physical reality via simple, elegant, logically-consistent postulates
and equations humbling themselves before empirical reality. Herein
the
spirit of physics is again exalted by the heroic words of the Greats-
by Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Planck, Einstein, Bohr, and
Schrodinger-the Founding Fathers upon whose shoulders physics stands.
And from that pinnacle, a novel physical theory is proposed, complete
with a novel physical model celebrating a hitherto unsung universal
invariant and an equation reflecting the foundational physical
reality
of a fourth dimension expanding relative to the three spatial
dimensions at the rate of c, or dx4/dt=ic, providing both the
"elementary foundations" for relativity and QM's "characteristic
trait"-entanglement, and its nonlocal, probabilistic nature. From
MDT's experimentally-verified equation relativity is derived while
time is unfrozen and free will exalted, while a physical model
accounting for quantum nonlocality is presented. Entropy, Huygens'
Principle; the wave/particle, energy/mass, space/time, and E/B
dualities; and time and all its arrows and asymmetries emerge from a
common, foundational physical model. MDT exalts Einstein's "empirical
facts," "naturalness," and "logical simplicity." For the first time
in
the history of relativity, change is woven into the fabric of space-
time, and the timeless, ageless, nonlocal photon of Galileo's/
Einstein's "empirical world" is explained via a foundational physical
model, alongside the fact that c is both constant and the maximum
velocity in the universe. The empirical GPS clocks' time dilation/
twins paradox is resolved by proposing a frame of absolute rest-the
three spatial dimensions, and a frame of absolute motion-the fourth
expanding dimension upon which ageless photons of zero rest mass
surf;
which underlie and give rise to Einstein's Principle of Relativity.


When the solution is simple, God is answering. -Einstein
If, relative to K, K' is a uniformly moving co-ordinate system devoid
of rotation, then natural phenomena run their course with respect to
K' according to exactly the same general laws as with respect to K.
This statement is called the principle of relativity. -Einstein, 1954


No great discovery was ever made without a bold guess. -Newton
For an idea that does not at first seem insane, there is no hope. -
Einstein
If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the
shoulders of giants. -Newton
In questions of science, the authority of thousands is not worth the
humble reasoning of one individual. -Galileo
Books on physics are full of complicated mathematical formulae. But
thought and ideas (the fourth dimension is expanding relative to the
three spatial dimensions at c), not formulae, are the beginning of
every physical theory. -Einstein/Infeld, The Evolution of Physics


But before mankind could be ripe for a science which takes in the
whole of reality, a second fundamental truth was needed, which only
became common property among philosophers with the advent of Kepler
and Galileo. Pure logical thinking cannot yield us any knowledge of
the empirical world; all knowledge of reality starts from experience
and ends in it. Propositions arrived at by purely logical means are
completely empty as regards reality. Because Galileo saw this, and
particularly because he drummed it into the scientific world, he is
the father of modern physics-indeed, of modern science altogether. -
Einstein , Ideas and Opinions
Epur si muove - (And yet it does move.) -Galileo
.. my dear Kepler, what do you think of the foremost philosophers of
this University? In spite of my oft-repeated efforts and invitations,
they have refused, with the obstinacy of a glutted adder, to look at
the planets or Moon or my telescope. -Galileo
A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up with it. -Planck
...my observations have convinced me that some men, reasoning
preposterously, first establish some conclusion in their minds which,
either because of its being their own or because of their having
received it from some person who has their entire confidence,
impresses them so deeply that one finds it impossible ever to get it
out of their heads. Such arguments in support of their fixed idea ...
gain their instant acceptance ... whatever is brought forward against
it, however ingenious and conclusive, they receive with disdain or
with hot rage ... Beside themselves with passion, some of them would
not be backward even about scheming to suppress and silence their
adversaries.... No good can come of dealing with such people . . .
their company may be not only unpleasant but dangerous. -Galileo
Millions saw the apple fall, but Newton was the one who asked why. -
Baruch
What is Possible in Physics? Physics! Moving Dimensions Theory
We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are
both
true and sufficient to explain their appearances. -Newton
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -
Einstein
A physical theory can be satisfactory only if its structures are
composed of elementary foundations. The theory of relativity is
ultimately as little satisfactory as, for example, classical
thermodynamics was before Boltzmann had interpreted the entropy as
probability. -Einstein
When two systems, of which we know the states by their respective
representatives, enter into temporary physical interaction due to
known forces between them, and when after a time of mutual influence
the systems separate again, then they can no longer be described in
the same way as before, viz. by endowing each of them with a
representative of its own. I would not call that one but rather the
characteristic trait of quantum mechanics, the one that enforces its
entire departure from classical lines of thought. By the interaction
the two representatives [the quantum states] have become entangled. -
Schrodinger
MDT provides both the "elementary foundations" of relativity that
Einstein yet sought, and the foundational physical reality underlying
and causing quantum nonlocality and entanglement, which Schrodinger
labeled the "characteristic trait" of QM. Einstein's Principle of
Relativity, as well as his two postulates, derive from MDT's simple
physical model (Fig. 1) and single postulate which is more concise
and
has the added benefits of providing for free will, liberating us from
the block universe, weaving change into the fundamental fabric of
space-time for the first time in the history of relativity, and
providing an elementary, foundational physical model for time and all
its arrows and asymmetries, entropy, and QM's nonlocality and
entanglement, as well as reality's probabilistic nature. The fourth
dimension is inherently nonlocal via its invariant expansion, which
is
the source of nonlocality as well as relativity. All of this is more
fully developed in Dr. E's 2008 paper on MDT which examines
Einstein's
1912 Manuscript on Relativity and derives relativity from MDT's dx4/
dt=ic: Time as an Emergent Phenomenon: Traveling Back to the Heroic
Age of Physics: fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/238 & fqxi.org/
community/forum/topic/432.


A people that were to honor falsehood, defamation, fraud, and murder
would be unable, indeed, to subsist for very long. -Einstein


MDT Sides With the Simplicity of the Heroic Greats in Word, Equation,
and Deed
MDT presents a new universal invariant reflecting a foundational
physical reality of a fourth expanding dimension-an elementary law
from which Einstein's Principle of Relativity can be built by pure
deduction. Begin with a universe with four dimensions x1, x2, x3, x4
where the fourth dimension is expanding relative to the three spatial
dimensions at the rate of c, ...

KONCHOK.PENDAY

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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:34:28 -0800,
dre [drel...@gmail.com] wrote:

> On Nov 17, 11:12 am, dre <drell...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 16, 2:06 pm, cjcountess <cjcount...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dre, if you are correct on all these counts than your
>> theory is indeed a paridigm shift, and will revolutionize
>> physics. Even if it is not correct on all, but on some,
>> it still will have profound effect. But
>> if it all depends on the statement:
>>

>> > Moving Dimensions Theory�s Fundamental Clues: Questions That Are


>> > Answered with "Because the Fourth Dimension is Expanding Relative
>> > to the Three Spatial Dimensions: dx4/dt=ic"

THE 'FOURTH DIMENSION" = PURE WANK!

YOU CAN SAFELY IGNORE
DIMENSIONS 4 THOUGH 13!

>> > And if this in tern also means:
>>
>> > MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
>> > remains in one place in the fourth dimension.

RELATIVITY IS TOTAL WANK!
WHO CARES WHAT IT TELLS US?

>> > Quantum mechanics tells

QUANTUM MECHANICS IS TOTAL WANK!
WHO CARES WHAT IT TELLS US?

>> > us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
>> > wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be
>> > expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate
>> > of c, in a spherically-symmetric manner.

THE FOURTH DIMENSION IS
EXPANDING AT THE RATE OF WANK!

>>
>> > Where and how does relativity, tell us that photon is timeless and
>> > ageless?
>>
>> > Where and how does quantum mechanics, tell us that a
>> > photon propagates as a spherical-symmetricaly expanding wavefront?

WHO CARES?

>> > Photons move, and have time cycles. They also do not expand at c,
>> > relative to the space dimension that we percieve as being still, do
>> > they?

NOT AT ALL!

>> > Make your idea more plain. I am not saying that it is
>> > completely wrong as alot of what you say is very insightfull.
>> > I just cannot see these statements as being clear.

ME NEITHER!

>> > Did "John Archibald Wheeler" write a crtiquig at any stage of its
>> > development? I am curious as to what he would say about those
>> > specific statements.

WHO CARES?

>> > I mean you no disrespect in my questioning, as I too have a theory
>> > of my own, that I defend all the time. I love defending my theory,
>> > and if a mistake is pointed out in it, I try to axcept and correct
>> > it, as I do believe that the main idea is correct, even if the
>> > specifics might need tweaking. I am curious as to your thoughts on
>> > it also.

>> > We can only make eachother better if we critiuqe eachother in a
>> > truthful and respectful spirit.
>>
>> > Conrad J Countess

>> Hello Conrad!
>>
>> You ask, "Where and how does relativity, tell us that photon is
>> timeless and ageless?
>>
>> Where and how does quantum mechanics, tell us that a photon
>> propagates as a spherical-symmetricaly expanding wavefront? "

WHO CARES?

TIME DOES NOT STOP.
EVEN IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES!

WAVES TRAVEL AT
THE SPEED OF WAVES!

IT'S NOT COMPLEX.
*NO* MATH NEEDED!

>> Quantum Mechanics tells us that a photon travels as a probabilistic
>> wavefront expanding at c:

WHICH IS TOTAL SPINSANITY!

A PARTICLE IS NOT
A PROBABILITY WAVE!

GET USED TO IT!

>> Can anyone refute any of these proofs?

THESE ARE NOT PROOFS.
THEY ARE REGURGITATED BUT
REFUTED RELIGIOUS BELIEFS!

>> "Simple, logical proofs of MDT:

YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BOTHERED TO
TELL US WHAT "MDT" STANDS FOR!

>> MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us

WHO CARES ABOUT DISCREDITED WANK?

>> that a timeless, ageless photon
>> remains in one place in the fourth dimension.

WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT
THE "FOURTH DIMENSION"?

>>Quantum mechanics tells
>> us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
>> wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be
>> expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate of c,
>> in a spherically-symmetric manner. The expansion of the fourth
>> dimension is the source of nonlocality, entanglement, time and all
>> its arrows and asymmetries, c, relativity, entropy, free will, and
>> all motion, change, and measurement, for no measurement can be made
>> without change. For the first time in the history of relativity,
>> change has been wedded to the fundamental fabric of spacetime in MDT.

ALL NONSENSE TO
RAPTLY IGNORE!

>> MDT PROOF#2: Einstein (1912 Man. on Rel.) and Minkowski wrote x4=ict.
>> Ergo dx4/dt=ic.

???? HUH?

WHEN MY COUSIN PUKED AFTER
DRINKING RUM ALL NIGHT, IT
MADE A PERFECT PICTURE OF JESUS!

SO THERE!

>> MDT PROOF#3: The only way to stay stationary in the three spatial
>> dimensions is to move at c through the fourth dimension.

WHO KNEW YOU
HAD TO WORK
SO HARD JUST
TO STAND STILL!

NO WONDER I'M
TIRED ALL THE TIME!

>> The only way to stay stationary in the fourth dimension is
>> to move at c through the three spatial dimensions.
>> Ergo the fourth dimension is moving at c
>> relative to the three spatial dimensions.

THANK GOD IT'S GONE!

>> MDT twitter proof (limited to 140 characters): SR: photon is
>> stationary in 4th dimension. QM: photon is probability wave expanding
>> @ c. Ergo: 4th dimension expands @ c & MDT: dx4/dt=ic -from
[url]http://twitter.com/45surf[/url] "- Hide quoted text -

TWITTER PROOFS?
SURELY YOU JEST!

> What's your guys' take on Moving Dimensions Theory? Seems it has a
> lot going for it based on this table (how accurate is this table?)
>
> [url]http://www.fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/
> Moving_Dimensions_Theory__Heros_Journey_Physics.pdf[/url]

TOTALLY USELESS WANK!

> [url]http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/511[/url]
>
> What is Ultimately Possible in Physics? Physics! A Hero's Journey
> with Galileo,

A TRUE HERO!

> Newton,

A MATHEMATICAL GENIUS,
WHO KNEW ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING ABOUT PHYSICS,
AND WHO FUCKED IT UP
COMPLETELY FOR
HUNDREDS OF YEARS!

> Faraday,

ONE OF THE GIANTS!

> Maxwell,

THE LAST PRE-RADO PHYSICIST!

> Planck, Einstein, Schrodinger, Bohr,

ALL MATHEMATICAL WANKERS
WITH *ZERO* UNDERSTANDING,
WHO FUCKED UP PHYSICS
FOR A CENTURY ALREADY!

> and the Greats towards Moving Dimensions Theory.
> E pur si muove!
> by Dr. Elliot McGucken
>
>
> ABSTRACT:
> Over the past few decades prominent physicists have noted that
> physics has diverged away from its heroic journey defined by boldly
> describing, fathoming, and characterizing foundational truths of
> physical reality via simple, elegant, logically-consistent postulates
> and equations humbling themselves before empirical reality. Herein
> the spirit of physics is again exalted by the heroic words of the

> Greats-by Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Planck, Einstein, Bohr,


> and Schrodinger-the Founding Fathers upon whose shoulders physics
> stands.

YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING OF PHYSICS
LEADS YOU TO THIS STATEMENT.

> And from that pinnacle, a novel physical theory is proposed, complete
> with a novel physical model celebrating a hitherto unsung universal
> invariant and an equation reflecting the foundational physical
> reality of a fourth dimension expanding relative to the three spatial
> dimensions at the rate of c, or dx4/dt=ic, providing both the
> "elementary foundations" for relativity and QM's "characteristic
> trait"-entanglement, and its nonlocal, probabilistic nature.

SINCE THE FOURTH DIMENSION
IS JUST A HALLUCINATION
-- SO IS YOUR THEORY!

> From
> MDT's experimentally-verified equation relativity is derived while
> time is unfrozen and free will exalted, while a physical model
> accounting for quantum nonlocality is presented. Entropy, Huygens'
> Principle; the wave/particle, energy/mass, space/time, and E/B
> dualities; and time and all its arrows and asymmetries emerge from a
> common, foundational physical model. MDT exalts Einstein's "empirical
> facts," "naturalness," and "logical simplicity." For the first time
> in the history of relativity, change is woven into the fabric of

> space-time, and the timeless, ageless, nonlocal photon of Galileo's/


> Einstein's "empirical world" is explained via a foundational physical
> model, alongside the fact that c is both constant and the maximum
> velocity in the universe. The empirical GPS clocks' time dilation/
> twins paradox is resolved by proposing a frame of absolute rest-the
> three spatial dimensions, and a frame of absolute motion-the fourth
> expanding dimension upon which ageless photons of zero rest mass
> surf; which underlie and give rise to Einstein's Principle of
> Relativity.

WHAT GLORIOUS WANK!

> When the solution is simple, God is answering. -Einstein
> If, relative to K, K' is a uniformly moving co-ordinate system devoid
> of rotation, then natural phenomena run their course with respect to
> K' according to exactly the same general laws as with respect to K.
> This statement is called the principle of relativity. -Einstein, 1954

EINSTEIN IS JUST A
THIEF AND A FRAUD!

> No great discovery was ever made without a bold guess. -Newton

BUT NEWTON HAD NONE!
HE WOULDN'T EVEN TRY!
"HYPOTHESES NON-FINGO"
WAS THE CLOSEST HE GOT!

> For an idea that does not at first seem insane, there is no hope. -
> Einstein

AN INSANE THIEF
SPEWING TOTAL WANK!

> If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the
> shoulders of giants. -Newton

BUT HE WASN'T EVEN LOOKING!

> In questions of science, the authority of thousands is not worth the
> humble reasoning of one individual. -Galileo

SO YOU CAN SAFELY *IGNORE*
ALL THOSE DELUSIONAL WANKERS
QUOTING NEWTON, EINSTEIN,
QM, AND STRING THEORY!

> Books on physics are full of complicated mathematical formulae.

YES!

NO UNDERSTANDING AT ALL!

> But thought and ideas (the fourth dimension is expanding relative
> to the three spatial dimensions at c), not formulae, are the
> beginning of every physical theory.
> -Einstein/Infeld, The Evolution of Physics

CONCLUSION: BUY PROPERTY
IN THE FOURTH DIMENSION!
IT'S EXPANDING AT "c"!

UNFORTUNATELY, YOU CAN'T VISIT!
IT'S JUST FOR BUYING AND SELLING!

> But before mankind could be ripe for a science which takes in the
> whole of reality, a second fundamental truth was needed, which only
> became common property among philosophers with the advent of Kepler
> and Galileo. Pure logical thinking cannot yield us any knowledge of
> the empirical world; all knowledge of reality starts from experience
> and ends in it. Propositions arrived at by purely logical means are
> completely empty as regards reality. Because Galileo saw this, and
> particularly because he drummed it into the scientific world, he is
> the father of modern physics-indeed, of modern science altogether. -
> Einstein , Ideas and Opinions

GALILEO IS A HERO!

BUT EINSTEIN'S OPINION
HAS *NO* VALUE AT ALL!

> Epur si muove - (And yet it does move.) -Galileo
> .. my dear Kepler, what do you think of the foremost philosophers of
> this University? In spite of my oft-repeated efforts and invitations,
> they have refused, with the obstinacy of a glutted adder, to look at
> the planets or Moon or my telescope. -Galileo

They were just as good as the
present "academic community"!

> A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
> and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
> eventually die, and a new generation grows up with it. -Planck

Thank god Planck is dead!

> ...my observations have convinced me that some men, reasoning
> preposterously, first establish some conclusion in their minds which,
> either because of its being their own or because of their having
> received it from some person who has their entire confidence,
> impresses them so deeply that one finds it impossible ever to get it
> out of their heads. Such arguments in support of their fixed idea ...
> gain their instant acceptance ... whatever is brought forward against
> it, however ingenious and conclusive, they receive with disdain or
> with hot rage ... Beside themselves with passion, some of them would
> not be backward even about scheming to suppress and silence their
> adversaries.... No good can come of dealing with such people . . .
> their company may be not only unpleasant but dangerous. -Galileo

Galileo was a sharp dude!

> Millions saw the apple fall, but Newton was the one who asked why. -
> Baruch

NO! HE'S JUST DESCRIBED
IT'S FALL MATHEMICALLY!

HE HAD NO IDEA WHY!
HE DIDN'T EVEN TRY!

> What is Possible in Physics? Physics! Moving Dimensions Theory
> We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are
> both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. -Newton

????

> Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -
> Einstein

WHO MADE UP IMPOSSIBLY
COMPLEX INSANE NONSENSE!

> A physical theory can be satisfactory only if its structures are
> composed of elementary foundations. The theory of relativity is
> ultimately as little satisfactory as, for example, classical
> thermodynamics was before Boltzmann had interpreted the entropy as
> probability. -Einstein

"The theory of relativity is

ultimately as little satisfactory as..."
Einstein said it, not me!

> When two systems, of which we know the states by their respective
> representatives, enter into temporary physical interaction due to
> known forces between them, and when after a time of mutual influence
> the systems separate again, then they can no longer be described in
> the same way as before, viz. by endowing each of them with a
> representative of its own. I would not call that one but rather the
> characteristic trait of quantum mechanics, the one that enforces its
> entire departure from classical lines of thought. By the interaction
> the two representatives [the quantum states] have become entangled. -
> Schrodinger

ENTANGLED IN WANK!

> MDT provides both the "elementary foundations" of relativity that
> Einstein yet sought, and the foundational physical reality underlying
> and causing quantum nonlocality and entanglement, which Schrodinger
> labeled the "characteristic trait" of QM. Einstein's Principle of
> Relativity, as well as his two postulates, derive from MDT's simple
> physical model (Fig. 1) and single postulate which is more concise
> and has the added benefits of providing for free will, liberating us
> from the block universe, weaving change into the fundamental fabric of
> space-time for the first time in the history of relativity, and
> providing an elementary, foundational physical model for time and all
> its arrows and asymmetries, entropy, and QM's nonlocality and
> entanglement, as well as reality's probabilistic nature. The fourth
> dimension is inherently nonlocal via its invariant expansion, which
> is the source of nonlocality as well as relativity. All of this is
> more fully developed in Dr. E's 2008 paper on MDT which examines
> Einstein's 1912 Manuscript on Relativity and derives relativity

> from MDT's dx4/dt=ic: Time as an Emergent Phenomenon: Traveling

> Simple, logical proofs of MDT:

WANK WRAPPED IN WANK!

> MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
> remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells
> us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
> wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be
> expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate of c,
> in a spherically-symmetric manner. The expansion of the fourth
> dimension is the source of nonlocality, entanglement, time and all
> its arrows and asymmetries, c, relativity, entropy, free will, and all
> motion, change, and measurement, for no measurement can be made
> without change. For the first time in the history of relativity,
> change has been wedded to the fundamental fabric of spacetime in MDT.
> MDT PROOF#2: Einstein (1912 Man. on Rel.) and Minkowski wrote x4=ict.
> Ergo dx4/dt=ic.
> MDT PROOF#3: The only way to stay stationary in the three spatial
> dimensions is to move at c through the fourth dimension. The only way
> to stay stationary in the fourth dimension is to move at c through
> the three spatial dimensions. Ergo the fourth dimension is moving at c
> relative to the three spatial dimensions.
> MDT twitter proof (limited to 140 characters): SR: photon is
> stationary in 4th dimension. QM: photon is probability wave expanding
> @ c. Ergo: 4th dimension expands @ c & MDT: dx4/dt=ic -from [url]
> http://twitter.com/45surf[/url]

ALL COMPLETELY
MEANINGLESS WANK!

> A people that were to honor falsehood, defamation, fraud, and murder
> would be unable, indeed, to subsist for very long. -Einstein

PROVING HIS OWN POINT,
EINSTEIN'S SUBSISTENCE
HAS NOW SUBSIDED!

> MDT Sides With the Simplicity of the Heroic Greats in Word, Equation,
> and Deed

YOU HAVEN'T EVEN TOLD US
WHAT "MDT" STANDS FOR!

> MDT presents a new universal invariant reflecting a foundational
> physical reality of a fourth expanding dimension-an elementary law
> from which Einstein's Principle of Relativity can be built by pure
> deduction. Begin with a universe with four dimensions x1, x2, x3, x4
> where the fourth dimension is expanding relative to the three spatial
> dimensions at the rate of c, ...

BUT THE FOURTH DIMENSION IS
THE REALM OF HALLUCINATION!

YOU ARE DROWNING IN WANK!
WHICH IS EXPANDING AT "c"
TO DROWN EVERYONE ELSE TOO!

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cjcountess

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Nov 20, 2009, 11:34:31 AM11/20/09
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Dre

I cannot agree with you on these points.

MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells
us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
wavefront at the velocity of c.

Photons do not expand spherically at c, else their wavelength would
also be constantly expanding at c. Furthermore, photons do not just
surf the expanding space at c either, remaining themselves still, and
timeless. Photons cycle at different frequency's, which corresponds to
different times and wavelengths.

So if your theory is based on these assumptions it is wrong and needs
to be corrected.

Photons don’t just surf waves.
See bottom graphic with talking photons explaining geometry of E=mc^2

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_209723wdc9

Concerning:


MDT PROOF#2: Einstein (1912 Man. on Rel.) and Minkowski wrote x4=ict.
Ergo dx4/dt=ic.

See:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math/browse_thread/thread/
aa6bff81d727f099/14305a4bd96a04bf?q=cjcountess#14305a4bd96a04bf

And concerning:


MDT PROOF#3: The only way to stay stationary in the three spatial
dimensions is to move at c through the fourth dimension. The only way
to stay stationary in the fourth dimension is to move at c through
the
three spatial dimensions. Ergo the fourth dimension is moving at c
relative to the three spatial dimensions.

See: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/6790b369a258df25/473b09963c1d8efd?q=#473b09963c1d8efd

Otherwise, you make a good case of why we should give alternative
theories consideration and I applaud you for that, as I too like to
argue that case. But now we must deliver what we say, and have it
stand up to logical, mathematical, geometrical, empirical proof.
I think my theory stands up to all even the last with the latest
evidence that is now emerging.

Conrad J Countess

cjcountess

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Nov 20, 2009, 11:44:11 AM11/20/09
to
For the web address that did not take it can be cut and pasted or here
is a copy of that post:

This is Conrad Countess with more revolutionary ideas

The square root of -1 is no longer an imaginary number but a real
natural unite c “the speed of light”, or more accurately “the speed of
light in the 90 degree angular direction”, and = (natural square root
of the natural -1 unite or Electron)

This is based on new revolutionary idea that (E=mc^2) =
(E=mc^circled). This is because c^2 or cxc, being c in linear
direction x c in 90 degree angular direction, which creates a 90
degree arc which if constant creates a circle, and a balance of
centrifugal and centripetal forces, leads to a -1 charged particle or
electron. Therefor (E=mc^2) = (E=mc^circled) = Einstein and Minkowskys
(c x square root of -1) and/or ( c x square root of-1) which are all
energy in circular and or spherical motion with rest mass and -1
charge and therefor c = (square root of -1) = (square root of
electron). No wonder (square root of -1) works so well in solving
problems in electronics

http://web.archive.org/web/20030410200416/www.virtualchaos.org/scienc...
MINKOWSKI'S FOUR - DIMENSIONAL SPACE
("WORLD") [Supplementary to Section XVII]
We can characterize the Lorentz Transformation still more simply if we
introduce the imaginary sqr(-1) times ct in place of t as time-
variable. If, in accordance with this, we insert
x 1 = x
x 2 = y
x 3 = z
x 4 = imaginary sqr(-1) times ct

http://web.archive.org/web/20030224085925/www.virtualchaos.org/scienc...
The Square Root of Negative One
Virtual Chaos
"With the opening simplification, we can now treat the time dimension
in the same way as we treat the space one. The expression ct is the
amount of space that light can travel[c] in a period of time[t]. This
means that an amount of time can be given as a spatial length, as long
as we multiply it by the square root of negative one.
Understanding the significance of this imaginary number would link
space, time, matter, energy, gravity, and inertia, all to a single
unit of conversion."

An Imaginary Tale: The Story of the Square Root of -1
by Paul J. Nahin
page 53 paragraph 2:
square root of -1 is directed line segment of length 1 pointing
straight up along the vertical axis
or at long last, [i = square root of -1 = 1 90 degree angle]
This is so important a statement that it is the only mathematical
expression in the entire book that I have enclosed
page 54 paragraph 2:
multiplying be square root of -1 is geometrically, simply a rotation
by 90 degrees in the counterclockwise sense
Because of this property square root of -1 is often said to be rotator
operator, in addition to being an imaginary number.
page 104 paragraph 2:
In a revealing article criticizing Einstein's and Minkowski's, c x
(square root of -1) , a national bureau of Standards physicist
admitted that
Square root of -1 has a legitimate application in pure mathematic,
where it forms a part of various ingenious devices for handling
otherwise intractable situations

If c^2 or (c in both linear direction, and pointing straight up in 90
degree angular direction), creates 90 degree counter clockwise
rotation or arc, which if constant creates a circle, and if this is
also what creates a backward spinning, standing spherical wave, such
as electron of -1 charge, than, c = (square root of -1 ) or more
accurately, [i = square root of -1 = c 90 degree angle], and
Einstein's and Minkowski's, ct x (square root of -1 ) or c x (square
root of -1 ) = energy in circular and /or spherical rotation with rest
mass and also = (E=mc2).
Therefor c or [i = square root of -1 = c 90 degree angle] = square
root of Electron.

Bohr discovered that the wavelength of electron is equal to
circumference of circle with angular momentum of a multiple integer of
h/2pi

And a=v^2/r which applies to acceleration of circular motion on macro
level might be a=c^2/c or a=c^2/h on this quantum level
Circular motion is indeed a balance of centrifugal and centripetal
forces

Furthermore, measurement of circular motion can be simplified again by
utilizing “the balance of a centrifugal force with an equal and 90
degree angular centripetal forces, which create a 90 degree arc which
if constant creates a circle. The idea that there is no centrifugal
force has complicated circular equations and is unreasonable. Between
a horizontal line __x| and a vertical line of equal measure, we can
draw an arc from beginning of horizontal line to end of vertical line
and have 90 degree arc which is the perfect foundation for the circle
if the arc is continued led to 360 degrees.

1) Planck discovered E=hf for photons
2) Einstein discovered E=mc^2 for electron s/matter
3) deBroglie discovered (E=hf) = (E=mc^2) for electron and that
electron was also a wave.
4) Bohr discovered that the wavelength of electron is equal to
circumference of circle with angular momentum of a multiple integer of
h/2pi

As logical extension of the above and with all the other extensive
evidence, one can see that

(E=mc^2)=(E=mc^circled) and c=(square root of -1) or more accurately,
[i = square root of -1 = c 90 degree angle], and Einstein's and
Minkowski's, ct x (square root of -1 ) or c x (square root of -1 ) =
energy in circular and /or spherical rotation with rest mass and also
= (E=mc2).
Therefor c or [i = square root of -1 = c 90 degree angle] = square
root of Electron and is probably why it appears so predominantly in
solving equations in electronics.

Conrad J Countess

dre

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Nov 21, 2009, 10:32:43 AM11/21/09
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> See:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/6790b...

>
> Otherwise, you make a good case of why we should give alternative
> theories consideration and I applaud you for that, as I too like to
> argue that case. But now we must deliver what we say, and have it
> stand up to logical, mathematical, geometrical, empirical proof.
> I think my theory stands up to all even the last with the latest
> evidence that is now emerging.
>
> Conrad J Countess

Fact: Photons are timeless and ageless.

Fact: Photons travel as spherically-symmetric, nonlocal probablistic
wavefronts expanding at c:

http://www.peace-files.com/QF-L-11/01_QF-Double-slit.html
http://kinemapoetics.blogspot.com/2007/05/reluctant-but-joyful-quantum-physicist.html
http://www.springerlink.com/content/00860783386m5726/

dre

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Nov 21, 2009, 12:17:07 PM11/21/09
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Hello Conrad,

In its simplest form in free space, a photon is represented by a
spherically-symetric probabilistic wavefront.


Surely you have heard of Huygens' Principle and Young's Double Slit
Experiment?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens%E2%80%93Fresnel_principle


In relativity a photon remains stationary in the fourth dimension. A
photon is timeless and ageless. Surely you have heard of Einstein's
Relativity?

Can anyone refute any of these proofs?


"Simple, logical proofs of MDT:

MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells
us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding

wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be

expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate of c,
in a spherically-symmetric manner. The expansion of the fourth
dimension is the source of nonlocality, entanglement, time and all
its
arrows and asymmetries, c, relativity, entropy, free will, and all
motion, change, and measurement, for no measurement can be made
without change. For the first time in the history of relativity,
change has been wedded to the fundamental fabric of spacetime in MDT.

MDT PROOF#2: Einstein (1912 Man. on Rel.) and Minkowski wrote x4=ict.
Ergo dx4/dt=ic.

MDT PROOF#3: The only way to stay stationary in the three spatial
dimensions is to move at c through the fourth dimension. The only way
to stay stationary in the fourth dimension is to move at c through
the
three spatial dimensions. Ergo the fourth dimension is moving at c
relative to the three spatial dimensions.

dre

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:15:43 PM12/18/09
to
On Oct 27, 2:47 pm, shakespeare physics <shakespearephys...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> What's your guys' take onMovingDimensionsTheory? Seems it has a lot

> going for it based on this table (how accurate is this table?)
>
> [url]http://www.fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/
> Moving_Dimensions_Theory__Heros_Journey_Physics.pdf[/url]
>
> [url]http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/511[/url]
>
> What is Ultimately Possible in Physics? Physics! A Hero's Journey with
> Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Planck, Einstein, Schrodinger,
> Bohr, and the Greats towardsMovingDimensionsTheory. E pur si muove!

> by Dr. Elliot McGucken
>
> ABSTRACT:
> Over the past few decades prominent physicists have noted that physics
> has diverged away from its heroic journey defined by boldly
> describing, fathoming, and characterizing foundational truths of
> physical reality via simple, elegant, logically-consistent postulates
> and equations humbling themselves before empirical reality. Herein the
> spirit of physics is again exalted by the heroic words of the Greats-
> by Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Planck, Einstein, Bohr, and
> Schrodinger-the Founding Fathers upon whose shoulders physics stands.
> And from that pinnacle, a novel physical theory is proposed, complete
> with a novel physical model celebrating a hitherto unsung universal
> invariant and an equation reflecting the foundational physical reality
> of a fourth dimension expanding relative to the three spatialdimensionsat the rate of c, or dx4/dt=ic, providing both the

> "elementary foundations" for relativity and QM's "characteristic
> trait"-entanglement, and its nonlocal, probabilistic nature. From

> MDT's experimentally-verified equation relativity is derived while
> time is unfrozen and free will exalted, while a physical model
> accounting for quantum nonlocality is presented. Entropy, Huygens'
> Principle; the wave/particle, energy/mass, space/time, and E/B
> dualities; and time and all its arrows and asymmetries emerge from a
> common, foundational physical model. MDT exalts Einstein's "empirical
> facts," "naturalness," and "logical simplicity." For the first time in

> the history of relativity, change is woven into the fabric of space-
> time, and the timeless, ageless, nonlocal photon of Galileo's/
> Einstein's "empirical world" is explained via a foundational physical
> model, alongside the fact that c is both constant and the maximum
> velocity in the universe. The empirical GPS clocks' time dilation/
> twins paradox is resolved by proposing a frame of absolute rest-the
> three spatialdimensions, and a frame of absolute motion-the fourth

> expanding dimension upon which ageless photons of zero rest mass surf;
> which underlie and give rise to Einstein's Principle of Relativity.
>
> When the solution is simple, God is answering. -Einstein
> If, relative to K, K' is a uniformlymovingco-ordinate system devoid

> of rotation, then natural phenomena run their course with respect to
> K' according to exactly the same general laws as with respect to K.
> This statement is called the principle of relativity. -Einstein, 1954
>
> No great discovery was ever made without a bold guess. -Newton
> For an idea that does not at first seem insane, there is no hope. -
> Einstein
> If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the
> shoulders of giants. -Newton
> In questions of science, the authority of thousands is not worth the
> humble reasoning of one individual. -Galileo
> Books on physics are full of complicated mathematical formulae. But
> thought and ideas (the fourth dimension is expanding relative to the
> three spatialdimensionsat c), not formulae, are the beginning of

> every physical theory. -Einstein/Infeld, The Evolution of Physics
>
> But before mankind could be ripe for a science which takes in the
> whole of reality, a second fundamental truth was needed, which only
> became common property among philosophers with the advent of Kepler
> and Galileo. Pure logical thinking cannot yield us any knowledge of
> the empirical world; all knowledge of reality starts from experience
> and ends in it. Propositions arrived at by purely logical means are
> completely empty as regards reality. Because Galileo saw this, and
> particularly because he drummed it into the scientific world, he is
> the father of modern physics-indeed, of modern science altogether. -
> Einstein , Ideas and Opinions
> Epur si muove - (And yet it does move.) -Galileo
> .. my dear Kepler, what do you think of the foremost philosophers of
> this University? In spite of my oft-repeated efforts and invitations,
> they have refused, with the obstinacy of a glutted adder, to look at
> the planets or Moon or my telescope. -Galileo
> A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
> and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
> eventually die, and a new generation grows up with it. -Planck
> ...my observations have convinced me that some men, reasoning
> preposterously, first establish some conclusion in their minds which,
> either because of its being their own or because of their having
> received it from some person who has their entire confidence,
> impresses them so deeply that one finds it impossible ever to get it
> out of their heads. Such arguments in support of their fixed idea ...
> gain their instant acceptance ... whatever is brought forward against
> it, however ingenious and conclusive, they receive with disdain or
> with hot rage ... Beside themselves with passion, some of them would
> not be backward even about scheming to suppress and silence their
> adversaries.... No good can come of dealing with such people . . .
> their company may be not only unpleasant but dangerous. -Galileo
> Millions saw the apple fall, but Newton was the one who asked why. -
> Baruch
> What is Possible in Physics? Physics!MovingDimensionsTheory
> We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both
> true and sufficient to explain their appearances. -Newton
> Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -
> Einstein
> A physical theory can be satisfactory only if its structures are
> composed of elementary foundations. The theory of relativity is
> ultimately as little satisfactory as, for example, classical
> thermodynamics was before Boltzmann had interpreted the entropy as
> probability. -Einstein
> When two systems, of which we know the states by their respective
> representatives, enter into temporary physical interaction due to
> known forces between them, and when after a time of mutual influence
> the systems separate again, then they can no longer be described in
> the same way as before, viz. by endowing each of them with a
> representative of its own. I would not call that one but rather the
> characteristic trait of quantum mechanics, the one that enforces its
> entire departure from classical lines of thought. By the interaction
> the two representatives [the quantum states] have become entangled. -
> Schrodinger
> MDT provides both the "elementary foundations" of relativity that
> Einstein yet sought, and the foundational physical reality underlying
> and causing quantum nonlocality and entanglement, which Schrodinger
> labeled the "characteristic trait" of QM. Einstein's Principle of
> Relativity, as well as his two postulates, derive from MDT's simple
> physical model (Fig. 1) and single postulate which is more concise and
> has the added benefits of providing for free will, liberating us from
> the block universe, weaving change into the fundamental fabric of
> space-time for the first time in the history of relativity, and
> providing an elementary, foundational physical model for time and all
> its arrows and asymmetries, entropy, and QM's nonlocality and
> entanglement, as well as reality's probabilistic nature. The fourth
> dimension is inherently nonlocal via its invariant expansion, which is
> the source of nonlocality as well as relativity. All of this is more
> fully developed in Dr. E's 2008 paper on MDT which examines Einstein's
> 1912 Manuscript on Relativity and derives relativity from MDT's dx4/
> dt=ic: Time as an Emergent Phenomenon: Traveling Back to the Heroic
> Age of Physics: fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/238 & fqxi.org/
> community/forum/topic/432.
> Simple, logical proofs of MDT:
>
> MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
> remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells
> us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
> wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be
> expanding relative to the three spatialdimensionsat the rate of c,

> in a spherically-symmetric manner. The expansion of the fourth
> dimension is the source of nonlocality, entanglement, time and all its
> arrows and asymmetries, c, relativity, entropy, free will, and all
> motion, change, and measurement, for no measurement can be made
> without change. For the first time in the history of relativity,
> change has been wedded to the fundamental fabric of spacetime in MDT.
> MDT PROOF#2: Einstein (1912 Man. on Rel.) and Minkowski wrote x4=ict.
> Ergo dx4/dt=ic.
> MDT PROOF#3: The only way to stay stationary in the three spatialdimensionsis to move at c through the fourth dimension. The only way

> to stay stationary in the fourth dimension is to move at c through the
> three spatialdimensions. Ergo the fourth dimension ismovingat c

> relative to the three spatialdimensions.
> MDT twitter proof (limited to 140 characters): SR: photon is
> stationary in 4th dimension. QM: photon is probability wave expanding
> @ c. Ergo: 4th dimension expands @ c & MDT: dx4/dt=ic -from [url]http://twitter.com/45surf[/url]
>
> A people that were to honor falsehood, defamation, fraud, and murder
> would be unable, indeed, to subsist for very long. -Einstein
>
> MDT Sides With the Simplicity of the Heroic Greats in Word, Equation,
> and Deed
> MDT presents a new universal invariant reflecting a foundational
> physical reality of a fourth expanding dimension-an elementary law
> from which Einstein's Principle of Relativity can be built by pure
> deduction. Begin with a universe with fourdimensionsx1, x2, x3, x4
> where the fourth dimension is expanding relative to the three spatialdimensionsat the rate of c, dx4/dt=ic, and all of relativity is shown
> to naturally emerge in Dr. E's above paper, as does quantum mechanics'
> nonlocality and entanglement, wave-particle duality, space-time
> duality, mass-energy duality, entropy, and time and all its arrows and
> asymmetries.
>
> Behind it all is surely an idea so simple, so beautiful, that when we
> grasp it - in a decade, a century, or a millennium-we will all say to
> each other, how could it have been otherwise? How could we have been
> so stupid? -Wheeler
>
> Three Rules of Work: Out of clutter find simplicity; From discord find
> harmony; In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity. -Einstein
>
> MDT presents a physical principle more fundamental than Einstein's
> Principle of Relativity, as all of relativity naturally emerges from
> MDT's postulate, along with time and all its arrows. And too, MDT, via
> the natural smearing of locality into nonlocality heralded via the
> expansion of the fourth dimension, provides a physical model for
> quantum entanglement-that which Schrodinger stated was the
> "characteristic trait" of quantum mechanics. So it is that MDT
> provides a common, foundational physical model for quantum mechanics
> and relativity, thusly unifying them on a physical level. A simple
> postulate and equation dx4/dt=ic bestows upon us a myriad of profound
> consequences across all realms of physics-granting us both the
> "elementary foundations" for relativity that Einstein yet sought,
> while also providing the elementary foundations for Schrodinger's
> "characteristic trait" of QM-entanglement. MDT rides with the
> simplicity of the heroic Greats in word, equation, and deed:
>
> Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more
> violent. It takes a touch of genius-and a lot of courage-to move in
> the opposite direction. -Einstein
>
> Mathematicians may flatter themselves that they possess new ideas
> which mere human language is as yet unable to express. Let them make
> the effort to express these ideas in appropriate words without the aid
> of symbols, and if they succeed they will not only lay us laymen under
> a lasting obligation, but, we venture to say, they will find
> themselves very much enlightened during the process, and will even be
> doubtful whether the ideas as expressed in symbols had ever quite
> found their way out of the equations into their minds. -Maxwell
>
> I don't believe in mathematics. -Einstein
>
> Do not worry about your difficulties in mathematics, I assure you that
> mine are greater. -Einstein
>
> Geometry is not true, it is advantageous. -Poincare
>
> In Einstein's Mistakes, Dr. Hans Ohanian reports on how physics
> advances via the emphasis not on math, but on physical reality, "(Max)
> Born described the weak point in Einstein's work in those final years:
> ". . . now he tried to do without any empirical facts, by pure
> thinking. He believed in the power of reason to guess the laws
> according to which God built the world."" MDT exalts nature and the
> physical reality of a timeless, ageless photon, providing a simple,
> unifying physical model for entropy, statistical mechanics,
> relativity, and quantum mechanics.
>
> A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers. -Plato
>
> Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can
> be counted counts. -Einstein
>
> Mathematics are well and good but nature keeps dragging us around by
> the nose. -Einstein
>
> In Disturbing the Universe, Freeman Dyson writes, "Dick [Feynman]
> fought back against my skepticism, arguing that Einstein had failed
> because he stopped thinking in concrete physical images and became a
> manipulator of equations. I had to admit that was true. The great
> discoveries of Einstein's earlier years were all based on direct
> physical intuition. Einstein's later unified theories failed because
> they were only sets of equations without physical meaning. Dick's sum-
> over-histories theory was in the spirit of the young Einstein, not of
> the old Einstein. It was solidly rooted in physical reality." In The
> Trouble With Physics, Lee Smolin writes that Bohr was not a Feynman
> "shut up and calculate" physicist, and from the above Dyson quote, it
> appears that Feynman wasn't either. Lee writes, "Mara Beller, a
> historian who has studied his [Bohr's] work in detail, points out that
> there was not a single calculation in his research notebooks, which
> were all verbal arguments and pictures." Please see MDT's Fig. 1 at
> the end of this document. (Many more to come!)
> In Dark Matters, Dr. Percy Seymour writes, "Albert Einstein was a
> great admirer of Newton, Faraday, and Maxwell. In his office he had
> framed copies of portraits of these scientists. He had this to say
> about Faraday and Maxwell: "The greatest change in the axiomatic basis
> of physics-in other words, of our conception of the structure-since
> Newton laid the foundation of theoretical physics was brought about by
> Faraday's and Maxwell's work on electromagnetic phenomena."
> In his book Einstein, Banesh Hoffman (and Faraday) exalts physical
> reality over mere math:
>
> Meanwhile, however, the English experimenter Michael Farady was making
> outstanding experimental discoveries in electricity and magnetism.
> Being largely self-taught and lacking mathematical facility, he could
> not interpret his results in the manner of Ampere. And this was
> fortunate, since it led to a revolution in science. . . most
> physicists adept at mathematics thought his concepts mathematically
> naïve.
>
> MDT Asks: Why Relativity, Entanglement, Entropy, Nonlocality, and
> Time?
>
> The important thing is not to stop questioning. -Einstein
>
> [url]http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/238[/url]
> [url]http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/432[/url]
> [url]http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/511[/url]
>
> found this @ facebook:
> [url]http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2214376596&topic=10405[/
> url]

Simple, logical proofs of MDT:

MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells
us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be
expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate of c,
in a spherically-symmetric manner. The expansion of the fourth
dimension is the source of nonlocality, entanglement, time and all its
arrows and asymmetries, c, relativity, entropy, free will, and all
motion, change, and measurement, for no measurement can be made
without change. For the first time in the history of relativity,
change has been wedded to the fundamental fabric of spacetime in MDT.
MDT PROOF#2: Einstein (1912 Man. on Rel.) and Minkowski wrote x4=ict.
Ergo dx4/dt=ic.
MDT PROOF#3: The only way to stay stationary in the three spatial
dimensions is to move at c through the fourth dimension. The only way
to stay stationary in the fourth dimension is to move at c through the
three spatial dimensions. Ergo the fourth dimension is moving at c
relative to the three spatial dimensions.
MDT twitter proof (limited to 140 characters): SR: photon is
stationary in 4th dimension. QM: photon is probability wave expanding
@ c. Ergo: 4th dimension expands @ c & MDT: dx4/dt=ic -from [url]
http://twitter.com/45surf[/url]

A people that were to honor falsehood, defamation, fraud, and murder


would be unable, indeed, to subsist for very long. -Einstein

MDT Sides With the Simplicity of the Heroic Greats in Word, Equation,
and Deed


MDT presents a new universal invariant reflecting a foundational
physical reality of a fourth expanding dimension-an elementary law
from which Einstein's Principle of Relativity can be built by pure
deduction. Begin with a universe with four dimensions x1, x2, x3, x4

where the fourth dimension is expanding relative to the three spatial
dimensions at the rate of c, dx4/dt=ic, and all of relativity is shown
to naturally emerge in Dr. E's above paper, as does quantum mechanics'
nonlocality and entanglement, wave-particle duality, space-time
duality, mass-energy duality, entropy, and time and all its arrows and
asymmetries.

Behind it all is surely an idea so simple, so beautiful, that when we
grasp it - in a decade, a century, or a millennium-we will all say to
each other, how could it have been otherwise? How could we have been
so stupid? -Wheeler

Three Rules of Work: Out of clutter find simplicity; From discord find
harmony; In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity. -Einstein

MDT presents a physical principle more fundamental than Einstein's
Principle of Relativity, as all of relativity naturally emerges from
MDT's postulate, along with time and all its arrows. And too, MDT, via
the natural smearing of locality into nonlocality heralded via the
expansion of the fourth dimension, provides a physical model for
quantum entanglement-that which Schrodinger stated was the
"characteristic trait" of quantum mechanics. So it is that MDT
provides a common, foundational physical model for quantum mechanics
and relativity, thusly unifying them on a physical level. A simple
postulate and equation dx4/dt=ic bestows upon us a myriad of profound
consequences across all realms of physics-granting us both the
"elementary foundations" for relativity that Einstein yet sought,
while also providing the elementary foundations for Schrodinger's
"characteristic trait" of QM-entanglement. MDT rides with the
simplicity of the heroic Greats in word, equation, and deed:

Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more
violent. It takes a touch of genius-and a lot of courage-to move in
the opposite direction. -Einstein

Mathematicians may flatter themselves that they possess new ideas
which mere human language is as yet unable to express. Let them make
the effort to express these ideas in appropriate words without the aid
of symbols, and if they succeed they will not only lay us laymen under
a lasting obligation, but, we venture to say, they will find
themselves very much enlightened during the process, and will even be
doubtful whether the ideas as expressed in symbols had ever quite
found their way out of the equations into their minds. -Maxwell

I don't believe in mathematics. -Einstein

Do not worry about your difficulties in mathematics, I assure you that
mine are greater. -Einstein

Geometry is not true, it is advantageous. -Poincare

In Einstein's Mistakes, Dr. Hans Ohanian reports on how physics
advances via the emphasis not on math, but on physical reality, "(Max)
Born described the weak point in Einstein's work in those final years:
". . . now he tried to do without any empirical facts, by pure
thinking. He believed in the power of reason to guess the laws
according to which God built the world."" MDT exalts nature and the
physical reality of a timeless, ageless photon, providing a simple,
unifying physical model for entropy, statistical mechanics,
relativity, and quantum mechanics.

A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers. -Plato

Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can
be counted counts. -Einstein

Mathematics are well and good but nature keeps dragging us around by
the nose. -Einstein

In Disturbing the Universe, Freeman Dyson writes, "Dick [Feynman]
fought back against my skepticism, arguing that Einstein had failed
because he stopped thinking in concrete physical images and became a
manipulator of equations. I had to admit that was true. The great
discoveries of Einstein's earlier years were all based on direct
physical intuition. Einstein's later unified theories failed because
they were only sets of equations without physical meaning. Dick's sum-
over-histories theory was in the spirit of the young Einstein, not of
the old Einstein. It was solidly rooted in physical reality." In The
Trouble With Physics, Lee Smolin writes that Bohr was not a Feynman
"shut up and calculate" physicist, and from the above Dyson quote, it
appears that Feynman wasn't either. Lee writes, "Mara Beller, a
historian who has studied his [Bohr's] work in detail, points out that
there was not a single calculation in his research notebooks, which
were all verbal arguments and pictures." Please see MDT's Fig. 1 at
the end of this document. (Many more to come!)
In Dark Matters, Dr. Percy Seymour writes, "Albert Einstein was a
great admirer of Newton, Faraday, and Maxwell. In his office he had
framed copies of portraits of these scientists. He had this to say
about Faraday and Maxwell: "The greatest change in the axiomatic basis
of physics-in other words, of our conception of the structure-since
Newton laid the foundation of theoretical physics was brought about by
Faraday's and Maxwell's work on electromagnetic phenomena."
In his book Einstein, Banesh Hoffman (and Faraday) exalts physical
reality over mere math:

Meanwhile, however, the English experimenter Michael Farady was making
outstanding experimental discoveries in electricity and magnetism.
Being largely self-taught and lacking mathematical facility, he could
not interpret his results in the manner of Ampere. And this was
fortunate, since it led to a revolution in science. . . most
physicists adept at mathematics thought his concepts mathematically
naïve.

MDT Asks: Why Relativity, Entanglement, Entropy, Nonlocality, and
Time?

The important thing is not to stop questioning. -Einstein

[url]http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/238[/url]
[url]http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/432[/url]
[url]http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/511[/url]

found this @ facebook:
[url]http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2214376596&topic=10405[/
url]

dre

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Consider a double slit experiment wherein one photon is emitted at a
time.

An interference pattern will appear.

The wave representing the photon goes through both slits.

Make the slits wider and wider apart, and an interference pattern will
yet appear.

Th only expalnation is that a photon propagates as a sphericlaly-
symmetric nonlocal probalistic wavefront.

And in relativity it is a fact the time stops when an object reaches
the velocity of light.

Ergo photons experience no time.

Einstein's
1912 Manuscript on Relativity and derives relativity from MDT's dx4/
dt=ic: Time as an Emergent Phenomenon: Traveling Back to the Heroic
Age of Physics: fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/238 & fqxi.org/
community/forum/topic/432.
Simple, logical proofs of MDT:

MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells
us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be

dre

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On Dec 18, 8:18 pm, dre <drell...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 8:15 pm, dre <drell...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 27, 2:47 pm, shakespeare physics <shakespearephys...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > What's your guys' take onMovingDimensionsTheory? Seems it has a lot
> > > going for it based on this table (how accurate is this table?)
>
> > > [url]http://www.fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/
> > > Moving_Dimensions_Theory__Heros_Journey_Physics.pdf[/url]
>
> > > [url]http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/511[/url]
>
> > > What is Ultimately Possible in Physics? Physics! A Hero's Journey with
> > > Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Planck, Einstein, Schrodinger,
> > > Bohr, and the Greats towardsMovingDimensionsTheory. E pur si muove!
> > > by Dr. Elliot McGucken
>
> > > ABSTRACT:
> > > Over the past few decades prominent physicists have noted that physics
> > > has diverged away from its heroic journey defined by boldly
> > > describing, fathoming, and characterizing foundational truths of
> > > physical reality via simple, elegant, logically-consistent postulates
> > > and equations humbling themselves before empirical reality. Herein the
> > > spirit of physics is again exalted by the heroic words of the Greats-
> > > by Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Planck, Einstein, Bohr, and
> > > Schrodinger-the Founding Fathers upon whose shoulders physics stands.
> > > And from that pinnacle, a novel physicaltheoryis proposed, complete
> > > every physicaltheory. -Einstein/Infeld, The Evolution of Physics
> > > A physicaltheorycan be satisfactory only if its structures are
> > > composed of elementary foundations. Thetheoryof relativity is
> ...
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Hello Conrad,

In its simplest form in free space, a photon is represented by a
spherically-symetric probabilistic wavefront.


Surely you have heard of Huygens' Principle and Young's Double Slit
Experiment?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens%E2%80%93Fresnel_principle


In relativity a photon remains stationary in the fourth dimension. A
photon is timeless and ageless. Surely you have heard of Einstein's
Relativity?


Can anyone refute any of these proofs?

"Simple, logical proofs of MDT:


MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells
us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be
expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate of c,
in a spherically-symmetric manner. The expansion of the fourth
dimension is the source of nonlocality, entanglement, time and all
its
arrows and asymmetries, c, relativity, entropy, free will, and all
motion, change, and measurement, for no measurement can be made
without change. For the first time in the history of relativity,
change has been wedded to the fundamental fabric of spacetime in MDT.
MDT PROOF#2: Einstein (1912 Man. on Rel.) and Minkowski wrote x4=ict.
Ergo dx4/dt=ic.
MDT PROOF#3: The only way to stay stationary in the three spatial
dimensions is to move at c through the fourth dimension. The only way
to stay stationary in the fourth dimension is to move at c through
the
three spatial dimensions. Ergo the fourth dimension is moving at c
relative to the three spatial dimensions.
MDT twitter proof (limited to 140 characters): SR: photon is
stationary in 4th dimension. QM: photon is probability wave expanding

@ c. Ergo: 4th dimension expands @ c & MDT: dx4/dt=ic -from [url]
http://twitter.com/45surf[/url] "

malibucanyo...@yahoo.com

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On Nov 21, 7:32 am, dre <drell...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 20, 8:34 am, cjcountess <cjcount...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dre
>
> > I cannot agree with you on these points.
>
> > MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon
> > remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells
> > us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding
> > wavefront at the velocity of c.
>
> > Photons do not expand spherically at c, else their wavelength would
> > also be constantly expanding at c. Furthermore, photons do not just
> > surf the expanding space at c either, remaining themselves still, and
> > timeless. Photons cycle at different frequency's, which corresponds to
> > different times and wavelengths.
>
> > So if yourtheoryis based on these assumptions it is wrong and needs

> > to be corrected.
>
> > Photons don’t just surf waves.
> > See bottom graphic with talking photons explaining geometry of E=mc^2
>
> >http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_209723wdc9
>
> > Concerning:
> > MDT PROOF#2: Einstein (1912 Man. on Rel.) and Minkowski wrote x4=ict.
> > Ergo dx4/dt=ic.
>
> > See:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math/browse_thread/thread/
> > aa6bff81d727f099/14305a4bd96a04bf?q=cjcountess#14305a4bd96a04bf
>
> > And concerning:
> > MDT PROOF#3: The only way to stay stationary in the three spatial
> >dimensionsis to move at c through the fourth dimension. The only way

> > to stay stationary in the fourth dimension is to move at c through
> > the
> > three spatialdimensions. Ergo the fourth dimension ismovingat c

> > relative to the three spatialdimensions.
> > See:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/6790b...
>
> > Otherwise, you make a good case of why we should give alternative
> > theories consideration and I applaud you for that, as I too like to
> > argue that case. But now we must deliver what we say, and have it
> > stand up to logical, mathematical, geometrical, empirical proof.
> > I think mytheorystands up to all even the last with the latest

> > evidence that is now emerging.
>
> > Conrad J Countess
>
> Fact: Photons are timeless and ageless.
>
> Fact: Photons travel as spherically-symmetric, nonlocal probablistic
> wavefronts expanding at c:
>
> http://www.peace-files.com/QF-L-11/01_QF-Double-slit.htmlhttp://kinemapoetics.blogspot.com/2007/05/reluctant-but-joyful-quantu...http://www.springerlink.com/content/00860783386m5726/

Hello Conrad,

In its simplest form in free space, a photon is represented by a
spherically-symetric probabilistic wavefront.

Surely you have heard of Huygens' Principle and Young's Double Slit
Experiment?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens%E2%80%93Fresnel_principle

In relativity a photon remains stationary in the fourth dimension. A
photon is timeless and ageless. Surely you have heard of Einstein's
Relativity?

Can anyone refute any of these proofs?

"Simple, logical proofs of MDT:

MDT PROOF#1: Relativity tells us that a timeless, ageless photon


remains in one place in the fourth dimension. Quantum mechanics tells
us that a photon propagates as a spherically-symmetric expanding

wavefront at the velocity of c. Ergo, the fourth dimension must be

expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions at the rate of c,
in a spherically-symmetric manner. The expansion of the fourth
dimension is the source of nonlocality, entanglement, time and all
its
arrows and asymmetries, c, relativity, entropy, free will, and all
motion, change, and measurement, for no measurement can be made
without change. For the first time in the history of relativity,
change has been wedded to the fundamental fabric of spacetime in MDT.

MDT PROOF#2: Einstein (1912 Man. on Rel.) and Minkowski wrote x4=ict.
Ergo dx4/dt=ic.

MDT PROOF#3: The only way to stay stationary in the three spatial
dimensions is to move at c through the fourth dimension. The only way
to stay stationary in the fourth dimension is to move at c through
the
three spatial dimensions. Ergo the fourth dimension is moving at c
relative to the three spatial dimensions.

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