Magnetism\Gravity
jdawe
there are only 2 opposing forces:
Pull force
or
Push force
In other words:
Attraction force
or
Repulsion force
So, why then do we sometimes hear that magnetism is a separate force
to gravity because while it does attract things it does so differently
therefore it's a different force.
Well,
there are two opposing directions we can take:
Forward
or
Reverse
which means that we can step into our 2 opposing forces to give us:
Forward attraction force
or
Reverse attraction force
+
Forward repulsion force
or
Reverse repulsion force
Now, magnets produce repulsion force NOT attraction force but the
funny thing is if you put an object producing forward repulsion force
in proximity to an object producing reverse repulsion force then the 2
objects will ATTRACT. But its not real attraction force its just the
result of 2 objects coming together because one is 'pushing' one oway
and the other is 'pushing' the other way.
Therefore, the acceleration of the objects being 'attracted' by
magnetism is different than the acceleration caused by real attraction
force.
-Josh.
Uncle Al
>
> Because we are living in a logically created opposing universe we know
> there are only 2 opposing forces:
Bullshit or flounder
> Therefore, the acceleration of the objects being 'attracted' by
> magnetism is different than the acceleration caused by real attraction
> force.
Bullshit and flounder.
idiot
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Ian Wallace did this better than you, but then he actually *sold*
the science-fiction he wrote.
Mark L. Fergerson
Raymond Yohros
> there are only 2 opposing forces:
>
> Pull force
>
> or
>
> Push force
>
> In other words:
>
> Attraction force
>
> or
>
> Repulsion force
>
do youreself a favor and learn before you talk
use google and wikipedia
or else you're wasting your time
Androcles
"Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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> jdawe wrote:
>>
>> Because we are living in a logically created opposing universe we know
>> there are only 2 opposing forces:
> [snip crap]
Mission accomplished.
Bigot.
Cwatters
"jdawe" <mrj...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> So, why then do we sometimes hear that magnetism is a separate force
> to gravity
Ever tried to shield gravity?
Androcles
"Cwatters" <colin.wat...@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, I have a magnet levitated under the shelf of my desk
by a magnet on the top of the shelf. The magnets are from
an old hard drive. It's that one marked "actuator":
http://zone.ni.com/cms/imaes/devzone/tut/Hard%20Drive%20Basics%201.png
If I slip a coin between the shelf and the magnet the coin
doesn't fall, the magnet shields gravity.
fitz
Hi Josh,
Magnetism is caused by the electron spin frequency and gravity is
caused by the quark spin frequency.
Essentially the same thing but different frequencies.
See: http://www.amperefitz.com/aphaseuniverse.htm
Cheers
Fitz
Anti Vigilante
> fall, the magnet shields gravity.
If it shielded gravity it would fly off.
What do you think of my Recreational Fundamental Physics Proposal thread?
Looking to just explore the ideas and I'd prefer not be my own echo so
here's an invitation.
--
Fuck the Enlightenment! Viva la Renaissance!
Androcles
"Anti Vigilante" <antivi...@pyrabang.com> wrote in message
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>> If I slip a coin between the shelf and the magnet the coin doesn't
>> fall, the magnet shields gravity.
>
> If it shielded gravity it would fly off.
It can't fly off, it would hit the shelf.
Anti Vigilante
>> If it shielded gravity it would fly off.
>
> It can't fly off, it would hit the shelf.
>
>
>> What do you think of my Recreational Fundamental Physics Proposal
>> thread?
>>
>> Looking to just explore the ideas and I'd prefer not be my own echo so
>> here's an invitation.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Fuck the Enlightenment! Viva la Renaissance!
Ok visual aid needed. I'm not seeing what you're saying correctly.
Androcles
Sandwich:
Bread/meat/bread.
magnet/shelf/magnet.
Add mustard to meat sandwich:
Bread/meat/mustard/bread.
Add coin to shelf sandwich:
magnet/shelf/coin/magnet.
The coin is beneath the shelf and does not fall. It is shielded from gravity
by the magnet but cannot rise, it is prevented from doing so by the shelf.
Paul Cardinale
> "Cwatters" <colin.wattersNOS...@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4qSdnXcyaIdc79nW...@brightview.co.uk...
>
>
>
> > "jdawe" <mrjd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:a9438d51-cb0c-415e...@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> >> So, why then do we sometimes hear that magnetism is a separate force
> >> to gravity
>
> > Ever tried to shield gravity?
>
> Yeah, I have a magnet levitated under the shelf of my desk
> by a magnet on the top of the shelf. The magnets are from
> an old hard drive. It's that one marked "actuator":
> http://zone.ni.com/cms/imaes/devzone/tut/Hard%20Drive%20Basics%201.png
>
> If I slip a coin between the shelf and the magnet the coin
> doesn't fall, the magnet shields gravity.
I figure that virtually no one is surprised that androcrap doesn't
know what the word 'shield' means.
Androcles
"Paul Cardinale" <pcard...@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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==============================================
You couldn't figure how many beans make five, Prieste.
Nightcrawler
> If I slip a coin between the shelf and the magnet the coin
> doesn't fall, the magnet shields gravity.
Does this work with pasta? Say, if you inserted an uncooked
egg noodle?
Androcles
"Nightcrawler" <Dirty...@dirtcheap.net> wrote in message
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Oh yes - but it helps to freeze the noodle first to prevent it
being squashed by the magnet and the shelf. To be honest,
though, I've never actually tried it; I tend to keep food away
from my desk.
I've shielded blu-tack from gravity even without a magnet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-Tack
It levitates to the underside of my shelf quite easily.
Nightcrawler
> Oh yes - but it helps to freeze the noodle first to prevent it
> being squashed by the magnet and the shelf. To be honest,
> though, I've never actually tried it; I tend to keep food away
> from my desk.
> I've shielded blu-tack from gravity even without a magnet.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-Tack
> It levitates to the underside of my shelf quite easily.
Interesting. Ever thought of using an uncooked noodle? The cooked
noodle suffers from contamination by a diamagnetic medium.
You have to watch out with that Blu-tack, if you have pets. The
substance manages to bore its way into animal fecal manner.
Androcles
> On 1/6/2010 4:35 PM, Androcles wrote:
>
>> Oh yes - but it helps to freeze the noodle first to prevent it
>> being squashed by the magnet and the shelf. To be honest,
>> though, I've never actually tried it; I tend to keep food away
>> from my desk.
>> I've shielded blu-tack from gravity even without a magnet.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-Tack
>> It levitates to the underside of my shelf quite easily.
>
>
> Interesting. Ever thought of using an uncooked noodle?
You asked me that already, but you foolishly and unnecessarily
snipped your own words to make you forget it, even though you
have my reply above.
> You have to watch out with that Blu-tack, if you have pets. The
> substance manages to bore its way into animal fecal manner.
I don't keep male oxen as pets. They bore me with bullshit.
Nightcrawler
> You asked me that already, but you foolishly and unnecessarily
> snipped your own words to make you forget it, even though you
> have my reply above.
Not true. Your choice of words, describing your procedure, indicates
the use of a soggy noodle. A dry noodle would be pulverized.
> I don't keep male oxen as pets. They bore me with bullshit.
Wise decision.
Androcles
> Not true.
Prove it.
Androcles
> On 1/6/2010 7:06 PM, Androcles wrote:
>
>> You asked me that already, but you foolishly and unnecessarily
>> snipped your own words to make you forget it, even though you
>> have my reply above.
>
> Not true.
"Nightcrawler" <Dirty...@dirtcheap.net> wrote in message
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> On 1/6/2010 5:46 AM, Androcles wrote:
>
>> If I slip a coin between the shelf and the magnet the coin
>> doesn't fall, the magnet shields gravity.
>
> Does this work with pasta? Say, if you inserted an uncooked
> egg noodle?
Thus you fuckin' stupidly, idiotically and unnecessarily
snipped your own words to make you forget it, you lying shit.
Nightcrawler
> Prove it.
What exactly is it that I need to prove, Androcles?
That by snipping my own words that I did not forget them?
Nightcrawler
> "Nightcrawler"<Dirty...@dirtcheap.net> wrote in message
> Thus you fuckin' stupidly, idiotically and unnecessarily
> snipped your own words to make you forget it, you lying shit.
If you say so. You might need the trimmings to follow along.
I do not. I know what I stated. I know what you stated. You
might prefer an ongoing quote-fest, I do not.
If you can not follow a thread, that is your own problem.
Androcles
I want you to prove that you are a lying shit and a snipping dumbfuck.
Not for myself, you understand. I will not benefit by it, but you might.
Androcles
> On 1/6/2010 7:34 PM, Androcles wrote:
>> "Nightcrawler"<Dirty...@dirtcheap.net> wrote in message
>
>> Thus you fuckin' stupidly, idiotically and unnecessarily
>> snipped your own words to make you forget it, you lying shit.
>
> If you say so.
I do say so.
I can snip too. What were you saying?
Never mind, I'm not listening anymore.
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<snip ahoy>
> *plonk*
<snip again>
Well, it didn't take the arrogant prick, known as Androcles, to
capitulate to the fact that he has nothing, and is generally
just a Usenet asshole.
jdawe
Going back on topic.
Push force has what looks like an attraction effect.
but
Pull force never has a repellent effect.
An object producing forward pull force placed in proximity to an
object producing reverse pull force will not repulse each other.
or
An object producing forward pull force placed in proximity to an
object producing the same forward pull force will also not repulse
each other.
However, an object pushing one way placed next to an object pushing
the other way will be brought together in what looks like an
attraction.
and
Of course an object producing forward push force placed in proximity
to an object producing the same forward push force will be repulsed.
Therefore, we can deduce magnetism generates push force not pull
force.
-josh.
Sue...
> Because we are living in a logically created opposing universe we know
> there are only 2 opposing forces:
>
> Pull force
>
> or
>
> Push force
>
> In other words:
>
> Attraction force
>
> or
>
> Repulsion force
>
> therefore it's a different force.
>
> Well,
>
> there are two opposing directions we can take:
>
> Forward
>
> or
>
> Reverse
>
> which means that we can step into our 2 opposing forces to give us:
>
> Forward attraction force
>
> or
>
> Reverse attraction force
>
> +
>
> Forward repulsion force
>
> or
>
> Reverse repulsion force
>
> Now, magnets produce repulsion force NOT attraction force but the
> funny thing is if you put an object producing forward repulsion force
> in proximity to an object producing reverse repulsion force then the 2
> objects will ATTRACT. But its not real attraction force its just the
> result of 2 objects coming together because one is 'pushing' one oway
> and the other is 'pushing' the other way.
1)Start throwing some toy magnets at your refrigerator door
after you read the below links.
2)Don't stop throwing or post on this subject again 'till you get a
picture
of a magnet repelled by the door.
Sue...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_integral#Some_practical_applications
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_gravity
jdawe
>
>
>
>
>
> > Therefore, the acceleration of the objects being 'attracted' by
> > magnetism is different than the acceleration caused by real attraction
> > force.
>
>
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If you push one way and push the other way the two will come together.
If you push the same way the other is pushing the two will be pushed
apart.
If you pull one way and pull the other way the two will be pulled
together.
If you pull the same way the other is pulling the two will still be
pulled together.
In magnetism, unlike poles attract and like poles reppel. Magnetism is
therefore push force regardless of how complicated you try to make it
sound with your wikipedia links.
-Josh.
Ste
>
> > > Therefore, the acceleration of the objects being 'attracted' by
> > > magnetism is different than the acceleration caused by real attraction
> > > force.
>
> > > -Josh.- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
>
> If you push one way and push the other way the two will come together.
>
> If you push the same way the other is pushing the two will be pushed
> apart.
>
> If you pull one way and pull the other way the two will be pulled
> together.
>
> If you pull the same way the other is pulling the two will still be
> pulled together.
What is the definition of "pull" as distinct from "push"?