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"Do Virtual Photons Exist?"

(See also our sister website reticsessays.com)

The Aether was original conceived as a means of explaining "forces
acting at a distance" (i.e.- electric, magnetic, gravitation, et al). When
the idea of the classical Aether was abandoned early in the century, there
was a need to find another means of explaining these forces because, if it
were not possible to explain them by some other means then it would be
necessary to retain the Aether and the absolute reference frame it
represented. The elimination of that reference frame was an absolute
imperative of the political agenda of the academic community. Fortunately,
the advent of quantum theory allowed Dr. Feynmann to generate the idea that
these forces were produced by the exchange of "virtual particles". These
particles were so named because they popped into and out of existence for
periods of time that were so short that the rules of quantum physics insured
that their temporary existence did not violate the Law of Conservation of
Energy.

It is easy to understand how these particles could provide a force over
a distance. A "virtual particle" emitted from one point would absorb
momentum and travel ballistically to another where it would release that
momentum. The net result would be force acting between the points. The
situation is analogous to the effect observed when two athletes throw a
medicine ball back and forth to each other. Difficulty with the analogy is
that the throwing of the medicine ball can only produce a repulsive force;
it cannot produce an attractive force! The mathematics associated with the
force production by "virtual particles" particles, however, does allow for
the production of attractive forces, but, since no explanation as to how
this is possible is provided, one is left with the suspicion that this is
another example of a solution where an effect that is allowed by the
mathematics involved is being used outside of the constraints imposed by the
physical realities of the problem. These realities require a rather unusual
exchange of momentum to be involved. In order to produce the attractive
force, the "virtual photon" would have to be launched with a momentum
represented by a propagation direction away from its target, reverse its
momentum (direction of travel), go past its target and repeat the process so
as to acquire a momentum in the required direction as it struck the target
from behind. (If anyone can provide a different explanation I would like to
hear it.) Of course, if the "virtual photon" were propagating through a
medium, such as the Aether, there would be no conceptual problem, the
"virtual particle could make the necessary exchange of momentum with the
medium. (A boomerang returns to the thrower because it exchanges momentum
with a medium, air. But then, if the Aether were present we would have no
need to consider the existence of "virtual photons".

There is no need to resort to theoretical arguments, however. If
virtual photons produce electric and magnetic forces, they should be
observable. Consider a large electromagnet, such as is used in an MIR
machine. A recent news report described an unfortunate incident where a
steel oxygen bottle was not properly mounted to its wall bracket. The
magnetic field of the MIR pulled the bottle to the machine and killed a boy
who was being scanned. It is obvious that the room was filled with a large
and extremely powerful magnetic field. If "virtual photons" were present in
that room, they would have produced a level of electromagnetic interference
that would scream their presence. If electric and magnetic forces were
produced by "virtual photons", they would have to also effect any
electromagnetic detectors in their vicinity and one would expect that both
natural and man-made electric and magnetic fields would render
electromagnetic communication impossible.

An experiment is described in Chapter 4 of
http://einsteinhoax.com/hoax.htm "The Einstein Hoax" in which a strong
electric field is produced inside of an evacuated chamber and an antenna is
located between the electrodes. Using a radiation detector that covers the
entire spectrum would allow the detection of any spurious photons that acted
to produce the attractive force. Its a simple experiment and is one which
should be performed it science is to accept "virtual photons" as meaningful.

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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:32:37 -0500,
Rediug [red...@verizon.net] wrote:

> "Do Virtual Photons Exist?"
>
> (See also our sister website reticsessays.com)
>
> The Aether was original conceived as a means of explaining "forces
> acting at a distance" (i.e.- electric, magnetic, gravitation, et al).

And it's the ONLY theory
that makes any sense!

> When the idea of the classical Aether was abandoned early in the
> century,

AETHER STILL HAD TWO MAJOR FLAWS:
THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A SOLID!
THEY THOUGHT IT WAS MOTIONLESS!

HOW COULD PLANETS MOVE THROUGH
IT IF IT WAS A SOLID?

HOW COULD IT TRANSMIT FORCES OVER
A DISTANCE IF IT DID NOT MOVE?

> there was a need to find another means of explaining these forces
> because, if it were not possible to explain them by some other means
> then it would be necessary to retain the Aether and the absolute
> reference frame it represented.

IT IS STILL NECESSARY!

> The elimination of that reference frame was an absolute
> imperative of the political agenda of the academic community.

WHICH WAS CHOCK FULL OF
MATHEMATICAL WANKERS!

> Fortunately, the advent of quantum theory allowed Dr. Feynmann
> to generate the idea that these forces were produced by the
> exchange of "virtual particles".

DR. FEYNMAN WAS A BRILLIANT MATHEMATICIAN
WHO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND PHYSICS *AT ALL*!

> These particles were so named because they popped into and out of
> existence for periods of time that were so short that the rules of
> quantum physics insured that their temporary existence did not
> violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.

CAN YOU LOAN ME $50?
I'LL PAY IT BACK SO FAST
YOU WON'T EVEN NOTICE
THAT IT'S GONE!
THAT WAY, YOU WON'T EVER
HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR IT!

> It is easy to understand how these particles could provide a force
> over a distance. A "virtual particle" emitted from one point would
> absorb momentum and travel ballistically to another where it would
> release that momentum. The net result would be force acting between
> the points.

KIND OF LIKE A "VIRTUAL SANTA"
WHO BRIEFLY POPS IN EXISTENCE,
DELIVERS ALL THE PRESENTS,
AND THEN GOES BACK TO THE
NORTH POLE UNTIL NEXT YEAR!

> The situation is analogous to the effect observed when two athletes
> throw a medicine ball back and forth to each other. Difficulty with
> the analogy is that the throwing of the medicine ball can only produce
> a repulsive force; it cannot produce an attractive force!

THAT'S HARDLY THE ONLY DIFFICULTY!
THE WHOLE IDEA IS PREPOSTEROUS!

> The mathematics associated with the force production by
> "virtual particles" particles, however, does allow for
> the production of attractive forces, but, since no explanation
> as to how this is possible is provided, one is left with the
> suspicion that this is another example of a solution where
> an effect that is allowed by the mathematics involved is
> being used outside of the constraints imposed by the
> physical realities of the problem.

THAT IS, THE MATH PERFECTLY DESCRIBES
PARTICLES THAT DON'T EXIST DOIING
THINGS THAT CAN'T HAPPEN! BUT THAT'S
JUST A PROBLEM WITH *REALITY*!

IT DOESN'T BOTHER A MATHEMATICIAN
IN THE SLIGHTEST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T
CHANGE THE MATH AT ALL!

> These realities require a rather unusual exchange
> of momentum to be involved. In order to produce the
> attractive force, the "virtual photon" would have to be
> launched with a momentum represented by a propagation
> direction away from its target, reverse its momentum
> (direction of travel), go past its target and repeat
> the process so as to acquire a momentum in the required
> direction as it struck the target from behind.

I BELIEVE THAT MEANS IT IS AN "UNUSUAL SOLUTION",
WHICH CAN NEVER HAPPEN IN THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE:
JUST THE LAND OF WANK WHERE MATHEMATICIANS LIVE!

> (If anyone can provide a different explanation
> I would like to hear it.)

MAD WANKERS!

> Of course, if the "virtual photon" were propagating
> through a medium, such as the Aether, there would be no
> conceptual problem, the "virtual particle could make the necessary
> exchange of momentum with the medium. (A boomerang returns to the
> thrower because it exchanges momentum with a medium, air. But then,
> if the Aether were present we would have no need to consider the
> existence of "virtual photons".

CASE CLOSED!

> There is no need to resort to theoretical arguments, however. If
> virtual photons produce electric and magnetic forces, they should be
> observable. Consider a large electromagnet, such as is used in an MIR
> machine. A recent news report described an unfortunate incident where
> a steel oxygen bottle was not properly mounted to its wall bracket.
> The magnetic field of the MIR pulled the bottle to the machine and
> killed a boy who was being scanned.

UNFORTUNATELY, HE WAS *NOT* A "VIRTUAL BOY"!
SO MOM IS PROBABLY PLENTY PISSED.
I'M SURE IT WAS *NOT* A "VIRTUAL" LAWSUIT!

> It is obvious that the room was filled with a
> large and extremely powerful magnetic field. If "virtual
> photons" were present in that room, they would have
> produced a level of electromagnetic interference that
> would scream their presence. If electric and magnetic
> forces were produced by "virtual photons", they would have
> to also effect any electromagnetic detectors in their vicinity
> and one would expect that both natural and man-made electric
> and magnetic fields would render electromagnetic communication
> impossible.

????

> An experiment is described in Chapter 4 of
> http://einsteinhoax.com/hoax.htm "The Einstein Hoax"
> in which a strong electric field is produced inside of an
> evacuated chamber and an antenna is located between the
> electrodes. Using a radiation detector that covers
> the entire spectrum would allow the detection of any spurious
> photons that acted to produce the attractive force. Its a

> simple experiment and is one which should be performed if


> science is to accept "virtual photons" as meaningful.

ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET THE INDIANA LEGISLATURE,
WHICH ALREADY CHANGE PI TO 3.0 TO MAKE ENGINEERING
MUCH EASIER, TO *OUTLAW* ALL VIRTUAL PARTICLES!

THEN WE CAN ALL REST EASY IN THE AETHER!

[ ,,, Snip ... ]

READ RADO!

IT IS *NOT POSSIBLE* TO UNDERSTAND
THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE WITHOUT HIM!

YOU CAN SEE THE MAD WANKERS
DESPERATELY TRYING ALL AROUND YOU!

WITH ABSOLUTELY NO PROGRESS AT ALL!

THEY JUST HAVE "VIRTUAL PROGRESS"!

THEY *THINK* THEY ARE GOING SOMEWHERE,
BUT ALWAYS WIND UP RIGHT WHERE THEY STARTED!
[COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY WANK ON ALL SIDES!]

BUT AT LEAST THE PAYCHECKS SOMEHOW GET THROUGH!

BY FAR the BEST book on physics EVER written:
=============================================
AETHRO-KINEMATICS IS THE MAIN RADO TEXT
It�s 527 pages of tightly-reasoned analysis
by the greatest physicist of all time!
http://net-prophet.net/rado-ak/aethro_3.pdf
=============================================

NO BULLSHIT!
I GUARANTEE IT!
JUST HARD-NOSED
SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY!

It�s also the best
history of physics
ever written!

Even better than
Richard McKeon!

But Rado perfectly
illustrates both
McKeon�s analysis
AND PREDICTIONS!

HIS �LEAST PARTICLES�
ANALYSIS IS ONE OF MCKEON�S
FOUR PRIMARY MODES OF THOUGHT!

THE ONE THAT PERFECTLY
HEXPLAINS AND CONSTRUCTS
THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE.

THAT�S A BIG
DOUBLE WOW-WOW!

CAUTION: *NOT* FOR
the faint of heart!
May be dangerous to
preconceived prejudices!

Steve�s site is:
http://www.aethro-kinematics.com/

My intro to Steve�s work is:
http://net-prophet.net/nobul/rado/rado.htm

See �05* AETHER PHYSICS� in the
right-hand column of my blog at:
http://net-prophet.net/blog/
AND the �PHYSICS� CATEGORY
in the left-hand column!

Also see the �AETHER PHYSICS� TOPIC
under the �2-FORUMS� in the blog PAGES.

That�s the reading list for now,
but �Aethro-dynamics� will be
released ANY DAY NOW!


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Dieter Grosch

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"Rediug" <red...@verizon.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

> These realities require a rather unusual exchange of momentum to be
> involved. In order to produce the attractive force, the "virtual photon"
> would have to be launched with a momentum represented by a propagation
> direction away from its target, reverse its momentum (direction of
> travel), go past its target and repeat the process so as to acquire a
> momentum in the required direction as it struck the target from behind.
> (If anyone can provide a different explanation I would like to hear it.)
> Of course, if the "virtual photon" were propagating through a medium, such
> as the Aether, there would be no conceptual problem, the "virtual particle
> could make the necessary exchange of momentum with the medium. (A
> boomerang returns to the thrower because it exchanges momentum with a
> medium, air. But then, if the Aether were present we would have no need to
> consider the existence of "virtual photons".

In form of the gravitational field and its anti countries in form of the
electrical and mag. field there is the classic ether, this will transfer the
dynamic effects of the masses really in the form of different field
strengths of these fields

This means that the adopted virtual particles are further nothing when
differently big field strengths the ether

The virtual particles are only products of wrong theories these shall be
made coherent this one is not required in my theory.

Dieter Grosch www.grosch.homepage.t-online.de


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