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socratus

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Aug 21, 2008, 3:20:29 AM8/21/08
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My opinion about “ black hole”
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A black hole is a region of space in which the gravitational field is
so powerful that nothing,
not even light, can escape its pull after having fallen past its
event horizon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole

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But to give only such explanation of “ black hole” is not complete.
There is another alternative.
There is another interpretation of “ black hole”.

A “ black hole” is not a “region of space in which the
gravitational field is so powerful that nothing, not even light,
can escape its pull “ but…..
but region with very small density (critical density : p = 10^-29g/
sm^3).

And the detected material mass of the matter in the Universe
is so small (the average density of all substance in the
Universe is approximately less than p=10^-30 g/sm^3)
that the “ black hole” is only a model of our Universe / Vacuum
as a whole .
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Best wishes
Israel

socratus

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Aug 21, 2008, 4:32:01 PM8/21/08
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John ( n...@hotmail.com) ask:
For a non-specialist, what's the conclusion?
=========.
1.
In 1900 Planck found what “ black body” / a model of Vacuum /
can radiate . The radiation goes only by “ quanta” particles (h).
This kind of radiation is electromagnetic radiation.
2.
In 1974 S. Hawking found what “ black hole” / other model of vacuum/
can radiate . This is another kind of radiation.
This radiation explain the thermal spectrum radiation of the
beginning
of star formation ( gravitation).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation
3.
So, we have two different kinds of radiation:
electromagnetic radiation and thermal radiation.
4.
Hawking radiation has never been observed because it begins
from very small “ micro black holes “ in the vacuum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_black_hole

And nobody know that the “ mini black hole” keeps in itself.
What is “ mini black hole “?
3.
If you are interesting you can read my opinion on the site:
1.
http://www.wbabin.net/physics/sadovnik.pdf
Gravity, particles and star formation.
2.
http://www.wbabin.net/comments/sadovnik.htm
Entropy - My opinion.

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Best wishes.
Israel.

t-online.de

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Aug 23, 2008, 9:44:01 AM8/23/08
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"socratus" <isra...@bezeqint.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

> If you are interesting you can read my opinion on the site:
> 1.
> http://www.wbabin.net/physics/sadovnik.pdf
> Gravity, particles and star formation.
We accept a particle right with gravity. This gravity has Abe the
gravitational constant of
G_0 = e ^ 2/m_e*m_p = 1.51 E29 m of ^ 3 kg for ^ 1 s ^ 2

Into what e = elementary charge unit, m_e mass = the electron and m_p = mass
of the proton is.

By this gravitational force a motion which induces a counter-force
(counter-gravitation) which agrees with this one, the electric charges is
caused in another particle.

Q ^ 2 = m_eT* V ^ 2 *r

Into what m_eT = mass of an elementary particle (eT), V = speed on a stable
circular orbit and R = radius of this trajectory is

By the ratio of gravitation and electric charges, that is the state of
motion and the together storage of eT to cluster the different particle
types are valid.

The principle in nature is therefore electric charges are very simply
produced by motion this one covers the gravitation (compensatedly). This has
the consequence that it does not give any hypothetical particles for
Gravitation. (Gravitonen) exactly, as little as photons.

This behaviour is exactly, like in cosmology so correct at the construction
of atoms

Dieter Grosch www.grosch.homepage.t-online.de


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Aug 23, 2008, 12:16:52 PM8/23/08
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"t-online.de" <DGr...@t-online.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
> "socratus" <isra...@bezeqint.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> If you are interesting you can read my opinion on the site:
>> 1.
>> http://www.wbabin.net/physics/sadovnik.pdf
>> Gravity, particles and star formation.
> We accept a particle right with gravity. This gravity has Abe the
> gravitational constant of
> G_0 = e ^ 2/m_e*m_p = 1.51 E29 m ^ 3 kg ^ -1 s ^ -2
>
> Into what e = elementary charge unit, m_e = mass of the electron and m_p =
> mass of the proton is.
>
> By this gravitational force a motion which induces a counter-force
> (counter-gravitation) which agrees with this one, the electric charges is
> caused in another particle.
>
> Q ^ 2 = m_eT* v ^ 2 *r
>
> Into what m_eT = mass of an elementary particle (eT), v = speed on a
> stable circular orbit and r = radius of this trajectory is

>
> By the ratio of gravitation and electric charges, that is the state of
> motion and the together storage of eT to cluster the different particle
> types are valid.
>
> The principle in nature is therefore electric charges are very simply
> produced by motion this one covers the gravitation (compensatedly). This
> has the consequence that it does not give any hypothetical particles for
> gravitation (gravitons) exactly, as little as photons.

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Aug 27, 2008, 9:41:30 PM8/27/08
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Any medium that supposedly supports wave motion, should also be able of
supporting whirlpool or vortex motion.

If the motion is rotation , or movement in a closed circuit, as in
vortex motion, then the inertia will be localized, and thus have
momentum.

The distinguishing characteristic of the so- called blackholes  is
their Localized Persistence of Individuality, and this is the same as
vortex motion.

Wave motion is not localized, as it will not revert to original form,
when distorted. but will travel in the direction normal to the new
wavefront, their being no persistence of individuality or memory of the
original form of the wave.

On the other hand, a vortex ring , if distorted from the circular , or
elliptical  will spontaneously revert to it's original form ,
displaying persistence of individuality, and memory of it's original
form.

The so called event horizon of a blackhole is the interface closed
circuit of vortex motion, within the medium, the resulting reaction not
allowing light to escape, as it is no longer a wave, in the normal
sense, but still an energy source, contributing to the inertia and
momentum of the vortex, or so-called blackhole.

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