Is it possible for a phonon that 10^10,000 Hz to exist in Earth's atmosphere?
Radium
Is it possible for a phonon that 10^10,000 Hz [thats
10-to-the-power-10,000 hz; or 10 followed by 10,000 zeros] to exist in
Earth's atmosphere?
Thanks,
Radium
vick
what tha fok is a phonon, a sound particle?
i suppose that in upper atmosphere sounds propagate
very hard, regardless their frequencies
whay so many zeros?
Eric Gisse
Will you shut the fuck up and stop asking inane questions already?
Every week it is one stupid question after another. Christ.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Radium
Radium
> what tha fok is a phonon, a sound particle?
Yes.
> whay so many zeros?
I am trying to test the limits of ultrasound. I've read claims that
there is no upper limit to the highest-possible frequency of sound.
I suppose this means it is physically-possible to have an acoustic
pure-sine-wave tone that is 140 dB and
10^1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000... <insert infinite number of
zeros>... 000,000,000,000,000 Hz in any environment with air?
vick
then you need a hard piezoelectric material, thay goes up
to gigahertz, if thay vibrate at higher frequencies than they
may loose some electrons or atoms, large scale damage
may occure
lets hear what relativity has to say about it
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
> Thanks,
> Radium
Spewing idiot.
A simple web search produces:
In physics, a phonon is a quantized mode of vibration occurring in a
rigid crystal lattice, such as the atomic lattice of a solid.
Since the Earth's atmosphere is not a crystal lattice, your question
is meaningless.
--
Jim Pennino
Remove .spam.sux to reply.
Salmon Egg
1163809564.7...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "Radium"
<gluc...@excite.com> wrote:
> Is it possible...
Questions and posters like this make me yearn for bills of attainder.
-- Fermez le Bush
vick
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163811736.9...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Whoever told you there is no upper limit didn't think too clearly on
> limitations to pressure waves.
>
> This weeks reading: (Yes, do some real reading)
>
> What causes sounds?
>
> What could possibly limit sound frequency in a medium?
>
> And stop asking stupid questions before doing some proper research, not
> geocities science pages.
>
> --
> Thermodynamics claims another crown!
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
actually tha man has a point here
an electric current is infact a hf sound wave propagating thro
conducters
a hf vibrating atom loose an electron to the neighboor atom etc
Phineas T Puddleduck
"vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
> actually tha man has a point here
>
> an electric current is infact a hf sound wave propagating thro
> conducters
>
> a hf vibrating atom loose an electron to the neighboor atom etc
He's talking about acoustic waves through air.
vick
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163814607.8...@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>
> > actually tha man has a point here
> >
> > an electric current is infact a hf sound wave propagating thro
> > conducters
> >
> > a hf vibrating atom loose an electron to the neighboor atom etc
>
> He's talking about acoustic waves through air.
therfore he is right, tha speed of sound in air is
not frequency dependent, therefore it can be
anything
Phineas T Puddleduck
"vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
> therfore he is right, tha speed of sound in air is
> not frequency dependent, therefore it can be
> anything
Really? I suggest you think about such things such as
viscosity of the medium
upper limits for source vibration....
The Ghost
news:C183A27E.4BA51%salm...@sbcglobal.net:
Who is Bill Attainder?
Is he related to Salmon Egg?
vick
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163815304....@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>
> > therfore he is right, tha speed of sound in air is
> > not frequency dependent, therefore it can be
> > anything
>
> Really? I suggest you think about such things such as
>
> viscosity of the medium
>
> upper limits for source vibration....
you are right, is not about the speed of sound
but the upper limit of vibrations
Phineas T Puddleduck
"vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
> you are right, is not about the speed of sound
> but the upper limit of vibrations
Which limits the frequency.
vick
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163815986.1...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>
> > you are right, is not about the speed of sound
> > but the upper limit of vibrations
>
> Which limits the frequency.
correct, so tha question still make sense
at higher atmosphere the viscosity is very low
to zero, so vhf sounds may propagate
Phineas T Puddleduck
"vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>
> correct, so tha question still make sense
>
> at higher atmosphere the viscosity is very low
> to zero, so vhf sounds may propagate
What could create a vibration that quickly without incurring
relativistic effects?
Phineas T Puddleduck
How far does light travel in that time?
Compare to the planck length.
vick
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163816520.3...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > correct, so tha question still make sense
> >
> > at higher atmosphere the viscosity is very low
> > to zero, so vhf sounds may propagate
>
> What could create a vibration that quickly without incurring
> relativistic effects?
i don know man, im just speculatin
tha problem i see is tha amplitude, if enuff then it might
propagate
the highest amplitude i hear is the amplitude of muons,
so is again about their speeds
strange,
the muons thro the atmosphere may produce a vhf sound
wave, we need a device to detect it
vick
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163816520.3...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > correct, so tha question still make sense
> >
> > at higher atmosphere the viscosity is very low
> > to zero, so vhf sounds may propagate
>
> What could create a vibration that quickly without incurring
> relativistic effects?
i don know man, im just speculatin
tha problem i see is tha amplitude, if enuff then it might
propagate
the highest amplitude i hear is the amplitude of muons,
so is again about their speeds
the muons thro the atmosphere may produce a vhf sound
wave, we need a device to detect it
>
Phineas T Puddleduck
"vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
> i don know man, im just speculatin
>
> tha problem i see is tha amplitude, if enuff then it might
> propagate
>
> the highest amplitude i hear is the amplitude of muons,
> so is again about their speeds
>
> strange,
>
> the muons thro the atmosphere may produce a vhf sound
> wave, we need a device to detect it
You are confusing sound with EM radiation
The upper limit to sound in the earth's atmosphere is around 10^9 hz. As
it gets more rareified, that isn't going to get higher, it gets lower.
Phineas T Puddleduck
Phineas T Puddleduck <phineasp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> In article <1163817504....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>
> > i don know man, im just speculatin
> >
> > tha problem i see is tha amplitude, if enuff then it might
> > propagate
> >
> > the highest amplitude i hear is the amplitude of muons,
> > so is again about their speeds
> >
> > strange,
> >
> > the muons thro the atmosphere may produce a vhf sound
> > wave, we need a device to detect it
>
> You are confusing sound with EM radiation
>
> The upper limit to sound in the earth's atmosphere is around 10^9 hz. As
> it gets more rareified, that isn't going to get higher, it gets lower.
>
I'm actually four orders of magnitude out. Seems I should have used my
calculator
http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj/393/part1/gerasimov.html
About sound. Sound is radiant energy transmitted in longitudinal waves
that consist of alternating compressions and rarefactions in a medium.
The maximum possible frequency of sound in any medium is approximately
1.25 癬 1013 Hertz (Hz). The speed of sound depends on properties of the
material through which it travels (see Table 1). Sound has propagation
features quite different from that of light, which makes it an excellent
alternative in situations where light does not work well.
operator jay
"Radium" <gluc...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1163809564.7...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hi:
>
> Is it possible for a phonon that 10^10,000 Hz [thats
> 10-to-the-power-10,000 hz; or 10 followed by 10,000 zeros] to exist in
really, I thought it was 1 followed by 10,000 zeroes
Randy Yates
> Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
>> In article <1163814607.8...@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>>
>> > actually tha man has a point here
>> >
>> > an electric current is infact a hf sound wave propagating thro
>> > conducters
>> >
>> > a hf vibrating atom loose an electron to the neighboor atom etc
>>
>> He's talking about acoustic waves through air.
>
> therfore he is right, tha speed of sound in air is
> not frequency dependent, therefore it can be
> anything
Really? Even when the particle velocities exceed the speed of
light?
--
% Randy Yates % "Midnight, on the water...
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % I saw... the ocean's daughter."
%%% 919-577-9882 % 'Can't Get It Out Of My Head'
%%%% <ya...@ieee.org> % *El Dorado*, Electric Light Orchestra
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr
vick
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163817504....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>
> > i don know man, im just speculatin
> >
> > tha problem i see is tha amplitude, if enuff then it might
> > propagate
> >
> > the highest amplitude i hear is the amplitude of muons,
> > so is again about their speeds
> >
> > strange,
> >
> > the muons thro the atmosphere may produce a vhf sound
> > wave, we need a device to detect it
>
> You are confusing sound with EM radiation
no at all, give the air molecules enuff amplitude
then the sound might propagate
>
> The upper limit to sound in the earth's atmosphere is around 10^9 hz. As
> it gets more rareified, that isn't going to get higher, it gets lower
wrong,
the allowed propagating frequencies by the system will
increase when you go toward vacum
dont be a fool, in order to displace the rare air moleculers you only
need higher amplitude, there will be less viscosity damping the
higher frequencies
Phineas T Puddleduck
"vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
> wrong,
> the allowed propagating frequencies by the system will
> increase when you go toward vacum
>
> dont be a fool, in order to displace the rare air moleculers you only
> need higher amplitude, there will be less viscosity damping the
> higher frequencies
Speed of light?
So you are now saying a vacuum is a perfect medium to transfer sound?
Read the link I provided - it includes REAL physics.
Phineas T Puddleduck
"vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>
> no at all, give the air molecules enuff amplitude
> then the sound might propagate
SPEED OF LIGHT!
vick
Randy Yates wrote:
> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> writes:
>
> > Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> >> In article <1163814607.8...@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > actually tha man has a point here
> >> >
> >> > an electric current is infact a hf sound wave propagating thro
> >> > conducters
> >> >
> >> > a hf vibrating atom loose an electron to the neighboor atom etc
> >>
> >> He's talking about acoustic waves through air.
> >
> > therfore he is right, tha speed of sound in air is
> > not frequency dependent, therefore it can be
> > anything
>
> Really? Even when the particle velocities exceed the speed of
> light?
are yo too talkin about amplitudes or frequencies you fool
Phineas T Puddleduck
"vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
> > Really? Even when the particle velocities exceed the speed of
> > light?
>
> are yo too talkin about amplitudes or frequencies you fool
Vibration = Movement
Air molecules need to move to BUMP into each other to transfer sound
VELOCITY!!
Phineas T Puddleduck
"vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
> Randy Yates wrote:
> > "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> writes:
> >
> > > Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> > >> In article <1163814607.8...@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > actually tha man has a point here
> > >> >
> > >> > an electric current is infact a hf sound wave propagating thro
> > >> > conducters
> > >> >
> > >> > a hf vibrating atom loose an electron to the neighboor atom etc
> > >>
> > >> He's talking about acoustic waves through air.
> > >
> > > therfore he is right, tha speed of sound in air is
> > > not frequency dependent, therefore it can be
> > > anything
> >
> > Really? Even when the particle velocities exceed the speed of
> > light?
>
> are yo too talkin about amplitudes or frequencies you fool
>
You're the fool
http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj/393/part1/gerasimov.html
About sound. Sound is radiant energy transmitted in longitudinal waves
that consist of alternating compressions and rarefactions in a medium.
MOVEMENT!
The maximum possible frequency of sound in any medium is approximately
1.25 ^ 10^&13 Hertz (Hz). The speed of sound depends on properties of
the material through which it travels (see Table 1). Sound has
propagation features quite different from that of light, which makes it
an excellent alternative in situations where light does not work well.
> > --
> > % Randy Yates % "Midnight, on the water...
> > %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % I saw... the ocean's daughter."
> > %%% 919-577-9882 % 'Can't Get It Out Of My Head'
> > %%%% <ya...@ieee.org> % *El Dorado*, Electric Light Orchestra
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr
--
vick
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163818634.5...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>
> > wrong,
> > the allowed propagating frequencies by the system will
> > increase when you go toward vacum
> >
> > dont be a fool, in order to displace the rare air moleculers you only
> > need higher amplitude, there will be less viscosity damping the
> > higher frequencies
>
> Speed of light?
in this discussion the speed of light is related to
the molecules displacement amplitude
>
> So you are now saying a vacuum is a perfect medium to transfer sound?
take a medium with 1m appart air molecules in equilibrum,
give them a 1.2m displacement amplitude then a sound will propagate
less viscosity implies less hf damping for displacement frequencies
you fokin moron
Phineas T Puddleduck
"vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
> take a medium with 1m appart air molecules in equilibrum,
> give them a 1.2m displacement amplitude then a sound will propagate
Work out their velocity of amplitude for mmm lets say 10^100 hz
>
> less viscosity implies less hf damping for displacement frequencies
>
> you fokin moron
Read the link you fuckwit.
jdu...@representative.com
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163819263....@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>
> > take a medium with 1m appart air molecules in equilibrum,
> > give them a 1.2m displacement amplitude then a sound will propagate
>
> Work out their velocity of amplitude for mmm lets say 10^100 hz
do it for your self fool
wahaha my dick, tha fool and his friend, pretending knowin
physics and relativity thinks it is not possible because the
speed of light limit
tha air molecule will experience length contraction you fool,
there are no problems with that, even my little sister knows
that
>
> >
> > less viscosity implies less hf damping for displacement frequencies
> >
> > you fokin moron
>
> Read the link you fuckwit.
me reading links!?
i write links, i dont read links
give them to your mother, fool
Phineas T Puddleduck
jdu...@representative.com wrote:
>
> do it for your self fool
>
> wahaha my dick, tha fool and his friend, pretending knowin
> physics and relativity thinks it is not possible because the
> speed of light limit
>
> tha air molecule will experience length contraction you fool,
> there are no problems with that, even my little sister knows
> that
Length contraction doesn't help you here.
Perhaps a lobotomy might.
>
> >
> > >
> > > less viscosity implies less hf damping for displacement frequencies
> > >
> > > you fokin moron
> >
> > Read the link you fuckwit.
>
> me reading links!?
>
> i write links, i dont read links
Shame you can't write then.
>
> give them to your mother, fool
Ah. I'm arguing with a retard. I should have guessed by the utter lack
of physics, the complete illiteracy and the inability to use a web
browser.
Never mind read this. Perhaps someone can help you with the difficult
words.
About sound. Sound is radiant energy transmitted in longitudinal waves
that consist of alternating compressions and rarefactions in a medium.
The maximum possible frequency of sound in any medium is approximately
1.25 A~ 1013 Hertz (Hz). The speed of sound depends on properties of the
material through which it travels (see Table 1). Sound has propagation
features quite different from that of light, which makes it an excellent
alternative in situations where light does not work well.
--
jdu...@representative.com
whay that you foken stopped not even braindead fool
>The speed of sound depends on properties of
> the material through which it travels (see Table 1). Sound has
> propagation features quite different from that of light, which makes it
> an excellent alternative in situations where light does not work well.
are you saying that tha speed light limits the frequencies?
can you become more stooooped end that?
Phineas T Puddleduck
jdu...@representative.com wrote:
> > The maximum possible frequency of sound in any medium is approximately
> > 1.25 ^ 10^&13 Hertz (Hz).
>
> whay that you foken stopped not even braindead fool
>
Write in English please. Your retard is a poor dialect
>
> >The speed of sound depends on properties of
> > the material through which it travels (see Table 1). Sound has
> > propagation features quite different from that of light, which makes it
> > an excellent alternative in situations where light does not work well.
>
> are you saying that tha speed light limits the frequencies?
>
Read the link, maroon
> can you become more stooooped end that?
Well I do have a long way to go to reach you, so probably yes.
leek
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163820453.0...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> jdu...@representative.com wrote:
>
> >
> > do it for your self fool
> >
> > wahaha my dick, tha fool and his friend, pretending knowin
> > physics and relativity thinks it is not possible because the
> > speed of light limit
> >
> > tha air molecule will experience length contraction you fool,
> > there are no problems with that, even my little sister knows
> > that
>
> Length contraction doesn't help you here.
whay not fool, becus you just say so, right?
>
> Perhaps a lobotomy might.
so i may still be right and you not even wrong
>
> >
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > less viscosity implies less hf damping for displacement frequencies
> > > >
> > > > you fokin moron
> > >
> > > Read the link you fuckwit.
> >
> > me reading links!?
> >
> > i write links, i dont read links
>
> Shame you can't write then.
>
> >
> > give them to your mother, fool
>
> Ah. I'm arguing with a retard. I should have guessed by the utter lack
> of physics, the complete illiteracy and the inability to use a web
> browser.
>
> Never mind read this. Perhaps someone can help you with the difficult
> words.
>
> About sound. Sound is radiant energy transmitted in longitudinal waves
> that consist of alternating compressions and rarefactions in a medium.
> The maximum possible frequency of sound in any medium is approximately
> 1.25 A~ 1013 Hertz (Hz). The speed of sound depends on properties of the
> material through which it travels (see Table 1). Sound has propagation
> features quite different from that of light, which makes it an excellent
> alternative in situations where light does not work well.
this is bullshit, fok off
now everybody can see you are fool, you base your
arguments on shit and are parroting shit
Phineas T Puddleduck
"leek" <jdu...@representative.com> wrote:
> >
> > Length contraction doesn't help you here.
>
> whay not fool, becus you just say so, right?
No because it doesn't - morphing kook
>
>
> >
> > Perhaps a lobotomy might.
>
> so i may still be right and you not even wrong
>
Nope you're still wrong.
>
> this is bullshit, fok off
>
> now everybody can see you are fool, you base your
> arguments on shit and are parroting shit
Ah did I go over your head?
You're still the illiterate maroon who cannot understand basic physics.
If you didn't write like a retard, you'd still be one.
leek
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163820817....@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> jdu...@representative.com wrote:
>
> > > The maximum possible frequency of sound in any medium is approximately
> > > 1.25 ^ 10^&13 Hertz (Hz).
> >
> > whay that you foken stopped not even braindead fool
> >
>
> Write in English please. Your retard is a poor dialect
now attaking english startin in uppercase
you lost tha debate you fool
say sorry to everybody, becus you so fool
shame on you pretending knowin speed of light then
knowin nothen
Phineas T Puddleduck
"leek" <jdu...@representative.com> wrote:
> >
> > Write in English please. Your retard is a poor dialect
>
> now attaking english startin in uppercase
>
> you lost tha debate you fool
No I won the debate. I'm just taking the piss out of you.
>
> say sorry to everybody, becus you so fool
>
> shame on you pretending knowin speed of light then
> knowin nothen
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
The Thing
> In article <phineaspuddleduck-6...@free.teranews.com>,
> Phineas T Puddleduck <phineasp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <1163817504....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>>
>> > i don know man, im just speculatin
>> >
>> > tha problem i see is tha amplitude, if enuff then it might
>> > propagate
>> >
>> > the highest amplitude i hear is the amplitude of muons,
>> > so is again about their speeds
>> >
>> > strange,
>> >
>> > the muons thro the atmosphere may produce a vhf sound
>> > wave, we need a device to detect it
>>
>> You are confusing sound with EM radiation
>>
>> The upper limit to sound in the earth's atmosphere is around 10^9 hz. As
>> it gets more rareified, that isn't going to get higher, it gets lower.
>>
>
> I'm actually four orders of magnitude out. Seems I should have used my
> calculator
>
> http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj/393/part1/gerasimov.html
>
> About sound. Sound is radiant energy transmitted in longitudinal waves
> that consist of alternating compressions and rarefactions in a medium.
> The maximum possible frequency of sound in any medium is approximately
> 1.25 Å~ 1013 Hertz (Hz). The speed of sound depends on properties of the
Whoa dude, middle C is 440 Hertz. My guitar does higher than 1013
Hertz!!
Regards
The
leek
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163821529.4...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "leek" <jdu...@representative.com> wrote:
>
>
> > >
> > > Length contraction doesn't help you here.
> >
> > whay not fool, becus you just say so, right?
>
> No because it doesn't - morphing kook
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Perhaps a lobotomy might.
> >
> > so i may still be right and you not even wrong
> >
>
> Nope you're still wrong.
>
> >
> > this is bullshit, fok off
> >
> > now everybody can see you are fool, you base your
> > arguments on shit and are parroting shit
>
> Ah did I go over your head?
>
> You're still the illiterate maroon who cannot understand basic physics.
> If you didn't write like a retard, you'd still be one.
and ya momma es una putana
now tell us yes or no
the speed of light limits the speed of sound frequency becus
the air particles may not experience length contraction
yes or no
come on, make us laugh
Phineas T Puddleduck
The Thing <tth...@northpole.com> wrote:
> Whoa dude, middle C is 440 Hertz. My guitar does higher than 1013
> Hertz!!
>
> Regards
> The
24 frets huh ;-)
--
Thermodynamics claims another crown!
--
Phineas T Puddleduck
"leek" <jdu...@representative.com> wrote:
> and ya momma es una putana
>
> now tell us yes or no
>
> the speed of light limits the speed of sound frequency becus
> the air particles may not experience length contraction
I never said that - I said there was a FUNDAMENTAL upper limit as sound
is a pressure wave. The actual limit is lower then this.
If you could read and write basic english you would understand this.
>
> yes or no
>
> come on, make us laugh
VIbration = movement
Considering you don't even understand SR/GR as made obvious by your
illiterate rants in SPR, I don't expect you to understand how a limiting
velocity would affect frequency.
Mike Rieves
can't find it in yourselves to ignore him, please stop cross posting!
Phineas T Puddleduck
"Mike Rieves" <mr...@hotspam.com> wrote:
> Everyone in every one of these groups knows that Radium is a troll. If you
> can't find it in yourselves to ignore him, please stop cross posting!
Point taken Mike. Sorry - Will killfile the relevant idiots.
PTP
leek
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163822233.0...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "leek" <jdu...@representative.com> wrote:
>
> > and ya momma es una putana
> >
> > now tell us yes or no
> >
> > the speed of light limits the speed of sound frequency becus
> > the air particles may not experience length contraction
>
> I never said that - I said there was a FUNDAMENTAL upper limit as sound
> is a pressure wave. The actual limit is lower then this.
you stoopid fokein liar
you just said that so many times "SPEED OF LIGHT"
not enuff yo are a fool, yo are a coward as well
i said you were correct and right when you been
right
now that you are a fool, whay dont you say that you
are indeed a such a big fool?
Phineas T Puddleduck
"leek" <jdu...@representative.com> wrote:
> you stoopid fokein liar
>
> you just said that so many times "SPEED OF LIGHT"
And I explained why. The actual limit is lower then this LIMITING Value
>
> not enuff yo are a fool, yo are a coward as well
>
> i said you were correct and right when you been
> right
>
> now that you are a fool, whay dont you say that you
> are indeed a such a big fool?
As promised
<PLONK>
leek
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1163822723....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "leek" <jdu...@representative.com> wrote:
>
> > you stoopid fokein liar
> >
> > you just said that so many times "SPEED OF LIGHT"
>
> And I explained why. The actual limit is lower then this LIMITING Value
>
> >
> > not enuff yo are a fool, yo are a coward as well
> >
> > i said you were correct and right when you been
> > right
> >
> > now that you are a fool, whay dont you say that you
> > are indeed a such a big fool?
>
> As promised
>
> <PLONK>
fine
nice talkin to you anyway
Sorcerer
"Radium" <gluc...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1163811736.9...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
| vick wrote:
| > what tha fok is a phonon, a sound particle?
|
| Yes.
|
Ok, define "sound particle".
1) a click
2) a tick
3) a tock
4) a clock
5) something else?
| I am trying to test the limits of ultrasound. I've read claims that
| there is no upper limit to the highest-possible frequency of sound.
| I suppose this means it is physically-possible to have an acoustic
| pure-sine-wave tone that is 140 dB and
| 10^1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000... <insert infinite number of
| zeros>... 000,000,000,000,000 Hz in any environment with air?
I suppose it does.
What is the duration of a phonon?
Answer: 1/ 10^1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000... <insert infinite number of
zeros>... 000,000,000,000,000 seconds.
That's a click. We get those from lightning strikes.
What is the amplitude of a phonon?
Tough question, a lightning click becomes rumbling thunder.
What is the speed of a phonon?
What is the direction of a phonon?
Androcles.
tadchem
Radium wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Is it possible for a phonon that 10^10,000 Hz [thats
> 10-to-the-power-10,000 hz; or 10 followed by 10,000 zeros] to exist in
> Earth's atmosphere?
A phonon cannot propagate in a fluid medium in which the mean free path
(the average distance that a molecule of the fluid can travel before
encountering another particle) is longer than the wavelength of the
phonon.
For air the mean free path is about 7x10^-6 cm (longer for lower
pressures).
For phonons the speed of sound in air is about 300 meters/second.
Can you calculate the frequency of a hypothetical phonon in air with a
wavelength of 7x10^-6 cm?
For practical applications, the phonons will be required to carry
without dissipation for some distance, so the *useful* frequencies of
sound in air will be much lower.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
Sorcerer
"tadchem" <tad...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1163862390....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
|
| Radium wrote:
| > Hi:
| >
| > Is it possible for a phonon that 10^10,000 Hz [thats
| > 10-to-the-power-10,000 hz; or 10 followed by 10,000 zeros] to exist in
| > Earth's atmosphere?
|
| A phonon cannot propagate in a fluid medium in which the mean free path
| (the average distance that a molecule of the fluid can travel before
| encountering another particle) is longer than the wavelength of the
| phonon.
WOW!
What direction?
<snip crap>
-- Androcles
Mishagam
>> give them to your mother, fool
>
> Ah. I'm arguing with a retard. I should have guessed by the utter lack
> of physics, the complete illiteracy and the inability to use a web
> browser.
>
> Never mind read this. Perhaps someone can help you with the difficult
> words.
>
> About sound. Sound is radiant energy transmitted in longitudinal waves
> that consist of alternating compressions and rarefactions in a medium.
> The maximum possible frequency of sound in any medium is approximately
> 1.25 A~ 1013 Hertz (Hz). The speed of sound depends on properties of the
> material through which it travels (see Table 1). Sound has propagation
> features quite different from that of light, which makes it an excellent
> alternative in situations where light does not work well.
>
Here in article "1.25 A~ 1013 Hertz (Hz)." actually means
1.25 * 10^13, much more that 1000 Hz, very bad conversion created much
unneeded confusion. I myself think that 10^13 is much to large frequency
to propagate through air.
Mishagam
efforts here.
Phineas T Puddleduck
Mishagam <noe...@provider.com> wrote:
> Here in article "1.25 A~ 1013 Hertz (Hz)." actually means
> 1.25 * 10^13, much more that 1000 Hz, very bad conversion created much
> unneeded confusion. I myself think that 10^13 is much to large frequency
> to propagate through air.
I mentioned that, I forgot to correct when I pasted that time
--
Thermodynamics claims another crown!
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/heacon.html
Anonymous
"Mike Rieves" <mr...@hotspam.com> wrote:
>
> Everyone in every one of these groups knows that Radium is a troll. If you
> can't find it in yourselves to ignore him, please stop cross posting!
Get a life, you stupid fuck. You don't contribute
to any of the cross-posted newsgroups, and the thread
has not been cross-posted to alt.music.home-stuido.
Mike Rieves
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Anonymous
Ron
vick wrote:
> Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> > "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
> >
> > > actually tha man has a point here
> > >
> > > an electric current is infact a hf sound wave propagating thro
> > > conducters
> > >
> > > a hf vibrating atom loose an electron to the neighboor atom etc
> >
> > He's talking about acoustic waves through air.
>
> therfore he is right, tha speed of sound in air is
> not frequency dependent, therefore it can be
> anything
Not really. Practically, up around 8 MHz or so sound won't travel more
than a inch or two at the very most before various factors makes it
fall apart which is why high frequeny ultrsound is usually used in a
liquid medium where there may actually be no limit to the ffrequency
moving through it. Notice I said "may" not be a limit.
Ron
Donnaboo
Thermodynamics is wrong. Einstein was too.
GEt with it and stop suppressing us.
vick:
> Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
>> In article <1163817504....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> "vick" <j6swg9k...@alumnidirector.com> wrote:
>>
>> > i don know man, im just speculatin
>> >
>> > tha problem i see is tha amplitude, if enuff then it might
>> > propagate
>> >
>> > the highest amplitude i hear is the amplitude of muons,
>> > so is again about their speeds
>> >
>> > strange,
>> >
>> > the muons thro the atmosphere may produce a vhf sound
>> > wave, we need a device to detect it
>>
>> You are confusing sound with EM radiation
>
> no at all, give the air molecules enuff amplitude
> then the sound might propagate
>
>>
>> The upper limit to sound in the earth's atmosphere is around 10^9 hz.
As
>> it gets more rareified, that isn't going to get higher, it gets
lower
>
> wrong,
> the allowed propagating frequencies by the system will
> increase when you go toward vacum
>
> dont be a fool, in order to displace the rare air moleculers you only
> need higher amplitude, there will be less viscosity damping the
> higher frequencies
>
>
>>
>> --
>> Thermodynamics claims another crown!
>>