Re: Hotbird problem
Jan Panteltje
wrote in <1162758493....@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
>I am new to the idea of installing a satellite dish and have
>encountered a few problems and hope that someone can help me.
>My girlfriend wanted to receive Polish TV channels that I have found
>are on the satellite Hotbird 7.
>We duely purchased a kit made by FortecStar which included a 65cm dish,
>the LMB and the recevier unit.
>I have found out from Lyngsat.com on the internet that Hotbird 7 is 13
>degrees east (which I assume is 13 degrees east of due south.... and
>also from what I understand, this is based on "true" north rather than
>"magnetic" north.... is this correct?
Well, 13 south, imagine you go more south (towards the equator) then
it would be more degrees on your left (facing south), so the angle you
see it at depends on where you are, and I dunno where you are.
>Now comes the difficult part, tuning in the dish....
>I have had to manually program the FortecStar Lifetime Classic receiver
>unit with some of the frequencies as it doesn't seem to know about
>Hotbird 7 in it's list of pre-programmed satellites I found out the
>frequency information from Lyngsat.com
>Now, I've been up on the ladder with a satellite finder meter trying to
>track down the satellite. Based on this I have a few questions......
>I found that the meter I was using was very "jumpy" , i.e. as soon as I
>reached up to adjust the dish from the back, the needle would jump
>around, if I moved my body around on the ladder the needle would jump
>all over the place ..... is this normal?
No, check the connectors are tight, the dish is really fixed, the ladder
is not touching the dish, etc.
You cannot do it by holding the dish in your hand....
Well, I cannot do that.
But you can swivel it around when sort of half fixed, once you got the
elevation about correct.
>Because of this I have found
>it extremely hard to check for the peak point of reception.
>My other question is, what elevation should I point my dish? I've
>assumed a figure of about 30 degrees up, based on how my sky dish used
>to point, but how do I find out a reasonable starting figure?
Should be, but likely a table came with your dish for the elevation
for you location.
There are satellite calculators on the Internet, perhaps google
'satellite calculator', for example here for Europe:
http://www.hansa-electronic.com/satcalceng.asp
>Someone has told me that trying to locate a satellite is effectively
>like pointing a dish towards a car 36,000km up above the equator ... is
>it really *that* accurate?
Yes.
>I'm assuming the satellite gives out a
>broad-ish beam, so as long as I am accurate to a 0.5 degree or so I
>should be OK? Is this correct or am I being really stupid?
It depends on the opening angle of the dish, a bigger dish results
in a smaller angle.
Couple of degrees should perhaps be normal to get a 'signal', the absolute
maximum is a very precise point.
tony sayer
philip...@yahoo.com writes
>I am new to the idea of installing a satellite dish and have
>encountered a few problems and hope that someone can help me.
>My girlfriend wanted to receive Polish TV channels that I have found
>are on the satellite Hotbird 7.
Presume you mean the few that are here?.. On 11488 H tp 15
>We duely purchased a kit made by FortecStar which included a 65cm dish,
>the LMB and the recevier unit.
>I have found out from Lyngsat.com on the internet that Hotbird 7 is 13
>degrees east (which I assume is 13 degrees east of due south.... and
>also from what I understand, this is based on "true" north rather than
>"magnetic" north.... is this correct?
Thats correct..
>Now comes the difficult part, tuning in the dish....
>I have had to manually program the FortecStar Lifetime Classic receiver
>unit with some of the frequencies as it doesn't seem to know about
Unless I'm very much mistaken on most all digital receivers I've met you
can do a transponder scan and it'll update to what it finds. I remember
seeing some polish channels on our Hotbird receiver..
>Hotbird 7 in it's list of pre-programmed satellites I found out the
>frequency information from Lyngsat.com
Hotbird 7?, or Hotbird 7A ?..
>Now, I've been up on the ladder with a satellite finder meter trying to
>track down the satellite. Based on this I have a few questions......
>I found that the meter I was using was very "jumpy" , i.e. as soon as I
>reached up to adjust the dish from the back, the needle would jump
>around, if I moved my body around on the ladder the needle would jump
>all over the place ..... is this normal?
No unless your in front of the dish!.. Check all your connections are
tight and the dish is stable..
>Because of this I have found
>it extremely hard to check for the peak point of reception.
>My other question is, what elevation should I point my dish? I've
>assumed a figure of about 30 degrees up, based on how my sky dish used
>to point, but how do I find out a reasonable starting figure?
>Someone has told me that trying to locate a satellite is effectively
>like pointing a dish towards a car 36,000km up above the equator ... is
>it really *that* accurate?
Seems like it sometimes;!..
>I'm assuming the satellite gives out a
>broad-ish beam, so as long as I am accurate to a 0.5 degree or so I
>should be OK? Is this correct or am I being really stupid?
>
>As I say, I am new to this. I honestly don't know if all the kit I've
>got is correct for the satellite I'm trying to receive from so would
>really appreciate any help from you experts out there.
Have you actually found anything as yet?..
If so your sat receiver will usually have a signal strength and quality
indicators on it you can use them but it means moving it all outside
where you can see it which is fine if its not too high but a real PITA
if its not.
What you can do is roughly estimate where 13 deg is i.e. a bit further
south than where the Sky dish is aimed then start at one elevation and
do a slow left right scan then go up a notch and swing it left right
again until you find what your looking for . Do bear in mind that most
cheap signal meters can't discriminate what their seeing so you could be
on the wrong sat but if you are starting to get results then at least
your in the right ball park for the elevation part of it.
Its not really that difficult, but it can be rather time consuming. I've
managed to set Sky dishes up in a few minutes without a meter as the sky
box has a quite usable meter system built in.
DO Remember that there will be an indication delay i.e. when you move
the dish the receiver will need a little time to respond to that
movement..
Have fun .. you'll get there:)
--
Tony Sayer
philip...@yahoo.com
Thanks very much for your reply, it all helps to prevent my hair from
going grey :-)
I am in Birmingham in the UK, and have used the link you suggested
which has given me the Azimuth and elevation, so I can try again. Very
useful, thanks for that.
It's intruiging that you say the meter should be fairly stable, as mine
wasn't.. I ensured all connections were tight and the dish was pretty
solidly mounted so I'm confused why the meter was so erratic.At least I
know it shouldn't be like that so I can have another attempt at the
weekend with more knowledge.
can I ask another couple of questions of you ... on my receiver, should
I be able to pick up *all* frequencies that are listed on the Hotbird 7
satellite list on Lyngsat.com, or do you normally only get *some* of
them?
When I am initiating a manual scan it asks me if I want to perform a TP
or PID scan.... what's the difference??
Thanks for the tip about the portable TV, think I'll give that a go too.
philip...@yahoo.com
Thanks for your input too, it all really helps me! I feel like I'm
trying to fix a space rocket with only part of the information!
You mentioned about a TP scan, what is that? How does that work? What
information will that give me?
What is a PID scan and what information would that give me?
The satellite I'm looking at is Hotbird 7A and the particular frequency
i'm interested in for the Polish TV is
h**p://www.lyngsat.com/hb7a.html, frequency 11488H (TP 15).
My girlfriend will owe me big time for this, once I get it working ;-)
JF
philip...@yahoo.com writes
>My girlfriend will owe me big time for this, once I get it working ;-)
Excuses... Excuses...
Jan Panteltje
wrote in <1162808432.3...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
>Jan,
>
>Thanks very much for your reply, it all helps to prevent my hair from
>going grey :-)
You are welcome.
>I am in Birmingham in the UK, and have used the link you suggested
>which has given me the Azimuth and elevation, so I can try again. Very
>useful, thanks for that.
>
>It's intruiging that you say the meter should be fairly stable, as mine
>wasn't.. I ensured all connections were tight and the dish was pretty
>solidly mounted so I'm confused why the meter was so erratic.At least I
>know it shouldn't be like that so I can have another attempt at the
>weekend with more knowledge.
Are there any trees (branches) waving in the path to the satellite?
>can I ask another couple of questions of you ... on my receiver, should
>I be able to pick up *all* frequencies that are listed on the Hotbird 7
>satellite list on Lyngsat.com, or do you normally only get *some* of
>them?
The Hotbirds are a whole bunch of satellites, all hanging around at about 13E.
So the scan will also pick up Hotbird 1, 2, etc, many more stations.
Normally these sats are referred to as just 'Hotbird', here is all that is
on 13E:
http://nl.kingofsat.net/pos-13E.php
>When I am initiating a manual scan it asks me if I want to perform a TP
>or PID scan.... what's the difference??
I dunno your set, but TP = transponder, and PID is the stream ID.
The transponder is the actual transmitter at a given frequency,
there are several in one satellite, and the PID is just a number,
used by the receiver to get the right program from the streeam
(one transponder carries many programs so many PIDs)
I am sort of guessing a PID scan looks for the PID numbers that can be found
in one transponder.
Unless you already know a specific PID, it has no use for you I think.
And, as I did say, PIDs can change.
I'd stay with automatic scanning to get all at 13E for now.
>Thanks for the tip about the portable TV, think I'll give that a go too.
That was not me I think:-)
tony sayer
philip...@yahoo.com writes
>Tony,
>
>Thanks for your input too, it all really helps me! I feel like I'm
>trying to fix a space rocket with only part of the information!
>
>You mentioned about a TP scan, what is that? How does that work? What
>information will that give me?
>What is a PID scan and what information would that give me?
>
A TP is simply a TransPonder scan i.e. it looks up there and scans the
transponders it sees at that location.. The PID is part of that.. More
or less;)
>The satellite I'm looking at is Hotbird 7A and the particular frequency
>i'm interested in for the Polish TV is
>h**p://www.lyngsat.com/hb7a.html, frequency 11488H (TP 15).
>
>My girlfriend will owe me big time for this, once I get it working ;-)
>
Ah!, Understood;)
It will, I've got a French Missus and the French one is a bit more round
the houses!..
--
Tony Sayer
philip...@yahoo.com
Once again, thanks for the information. Useful stuff.
I used to have a French girlfriend, but speak very little of it! Est
que vous parlez francais ? (don't answer in French though, I won't
have a clue!!!)
When you say a TP scan will scan transponder frequencies, does that
mean I need to tell it the TP frequency, i.e. 11488 and it will locate
all programs on that frequency, or does it mean that it will discover
all such frequencies on the satellite that it can see, automatically?
Why is the frequency on Lyngsat.com written as "11488H TP15" .... what
is TP 15?
Merci,
Philip
tony sayer
philip...@yahoo.com writes
>Tony,
>
>Once again, thanks for the information. Useful stuff.
>
>I used to have a French girlfriend, but speak very little of it! Est
>que vous parlez francais ? (don't answer in French though, I won't
>have a clue!!!)
>
Yep much the same here..
>When you say a TP scan will scan transponder frequencies, does that
>mean I need to tell it the TP frequency, i.e. 11488 and it will locate
>all programs on that frequency, or does it mean that it will discover
>all such frequencies on the satellite that it can see, automatically?
>Why is the frequency on Lyngsat.com written as "11488H TP15" .... what
>is TP 15?
*11.488 Gigahertz is the frequency the Transponder is on and H is the
signal polarisation i.e. (V)ertical or (H)orizontal and TP is the
transponder number on that satellite/system..
On most all digital boxes you can set then for a given TP but I think
that an auto scan will sort it out. Have you managed to receive anything
yet?...
* a Gigahertz is 1000 MHz FWIW...
--
Tony Sayer
philip...@yahoo.com
At present I am getting nothing on my receiver. My signal "level" is
shown around 60% for the particular frequency I want, but the "quality"
shows as zero.
Originally I had a sky digital dish up, so, just as an experiment, I
plugged my Fortecstar receiver in, in place of the Sky digibox and then
set it to scan what it could find. It found some results for
frequencies that it had listed in it's database for Hotbird_1_2_3 , but
only some of them. This gave me some channels such as BBC and ITV, so I
presume these frequencies it though were on Hotbird_1_2_3 were in fact
ones from EuroBird or Astra (for Sky digital).
Having read a few forums I realised that the 35cm Sky dish would not be
big enough to receive a signal from Hotbird 7, so I decided to put up
my new 65cm dish and the LNB that came with it.
Currently I am aiming the dish roughly 13 degrees east and I have told
my receiver to look for some of the Hotbird 7 frequencies, but it can't
find any "quality" for these channels, only a 50-50% signal "level".
As a test, I am planning to swing the dish back around to 28.2 degrees
to see if I can see Eurobird/Astra again, so at least I know the LNB
and dish are OK and to give me some confidence that I know what I'm
doing :-|
If that works then I'll try Hotbird 7 again and just be very very
patient with the tuning in and will also probably put a portable TV in
view of the dish so I can watch the signal "quality" from the receivers
perspective.
If you have any other suggestions though, I'd be happy to hear them.
Thanks
Philip
philip...@yahoo.com
Thanks for your reply.
There aren't any trees in the way, I have a nice clear view of the sky
in the 13 degree are from my house, luckily. I think most of the
problem is a lack of understanding on my part of how the receiver is
meant to work in relation to me programming in frequencies and data
rates etc, and what the TP numbers are (thanks to you and Tony for the
explanation).
Also, I guess I just didn't know how accurate you had to be with tuning
the dish, coupled with the satellite finder unit giving spurious
results.
I shall have to have another go with my new found confidence and
knowledge, thanks to you guys.
Regards
Philip
tony sayer
philip...@yahoo.com writes
>Thanks for that Tony, it makes sense.
>At present I am getting nothing on my receiver. My signal "level" is
>shown around 60% for the particular frequency I want, but the "quality"
>shows as zero.
>Originally I had a sky digital dish up, so, just as an experiment, I
>plugged my Fortecstar receiver in, in place of the Sky digibox and then
>set it to scan what it could find. It found some results for
>frequencies that it had listed in it's database for Hotbird_1_2_3 , but
>only some of them. This gave me some channels such as BBC and ITV, so I
>presume these frequencies it though were on Hotbird_1_2_3 were in fact
>ones from EuroBird or Astra (for Sky digital).
>
>Having read a few forums I realised that the 35cm Sky dish would not be
>big enough to receive a signal from Hotbird 7, so I decided to put up
>my new 65cm dish and the LNB that came with it.
Sounds a good idea..
>Currently I am aiming the dish roughly 13 degrees east and I have told
>my receiver to look for some of the Hotbird 7 frequencies, but it can't
>find any "quality" for these channels, only a 50-50% signal "level".
Your still off beam and possibly finding other stuff thats from other
sats..
>
>As a test, I am planning to swing the dish back around to 28.2 degrees
>to see if I can see Eurobird/Astra again, so at least I know the LNB
>and dish are OK and to give me some confidence that I know what I'm
>doing :-|
Good idea.
>If that works then I'll try Hotbird 7 again and just be very very
>patient with the tuning in and will also probably put a portable TV in
>view of the dish so I can watch the signal "quality" from the receivers
>perspective.
>
>If you have any other suggestions though, I'd be happy to hear them.
>
>Thanks
>
>Philip
>
I'd do more or less what your doing i.e. take a TV near the dish so you
can see the output of the digital receiver and assuming that you have
the initial setup right i.e. Universal LNB selected and switched on etc
then start a scan in the area but do it at slightly different levels of
elevation till you find it!.
And that can happen just like that .. or sods law will prevail and it
may take some time but its there and doable:)
--
Tony Sayer
philip...@yahoo.com
Thanks guys for your help. I'll have another go at sorting this dish
out this weekend.... and I'll have a sledgehammer ready just in case I
still can't tune it in ;-)
Regards
Philip
Richard L
If your receiver came pre-programmed for 'HotBird', it will be ready
for *all* the HotBird satellites stationed at 13 deg E. You shouldn't
need to programme anything yourself, except for changes which have
taken place since its stored list was compiled. If any important
stations are missing, you can add them after you have got the system
working properly.
The trick is to begin by setting set the receiver to a free-to-air
station which is known to be in operation. A station on any of the
HotBird satellites will do, but I tend to use Arte Francais or RAI
News 24 (see Lyngsat's HotBird list). You should find that these are
already in your TV station menu. Then start aiming the dish while
watching the screen. It will help if you can get the receiver to
superimpose a signal strength bar on the screen while you're
searching.
Bear in mind that your dish has an offset feed and is therefore
looking higher in the sky than you might think. As a starting point,
the plane of the dish rim is usually (in southern-ish English
latitudes) not very far from the vertical. If you see a station that's
not the one you expected, you may be looking at the wrong satellite.
--
Richard L.
philip...@yahoo.com
That's great advice too, thanks for that.
I have aimed my dish at 30 degrees, according to the markers on the
back of the dish mount, and from what I understand I should be aiming
around 29.4 degrees. I am assuming that the markers on the mount at the
back of the dish take into account the LNB offset as it all came as one
complete unit? From memory I believe the dish face is fairly vertical.
It certainly sounds like taking a portable TV outside is the way to
go... thanks for the advice about which stations would be good to
check. I'll sort that out at the weekend, weather permitting.
Regards
Philip
pant...@yahoo.com
philip...@yahoo.com schreef:
> Having read a few forums I realised that the 35cm Sky dish would not be
> big enough to receive a signal from Hotbird 7, so I decided to put up
> my new 65cm dish and the LNB that came with it.
> Currently I am aiming the dish roughly 13 degrees east and I have told
> my receiver to look for some of the Hotbird 7 frequencies, but it can't
> find any "quality" for these channels, only a 50-50% signal "level".
One thing to pay attention to, if you came from Astra, is the
'symbolrate'.
For Astra this is usually 22000, but for Hotbird it is usually 27500.
There should be a menu option for 'Hotbird scan', or to set
the symbolrate.
Indeed if you use 22000 on Hotbird you will get some signal, but no
lock or 'quality'.
philip...@yahoo.com
Thanks for advising that, luckily I had worked this out on Sunday when
I noticed that the pre-existing frequencies on my receiver had these
type of numbers next to them, so I looked at the information on
Lyngsat.com and found this number listed for each of the frequencies.
With all this new-found knowledge I'm feeling more confident to get the
setup working this weekend....except I have a horrible feeling that my
dish isn't going to pan around enough, as the line-up for Hotbird 7
looks like it will cause my dish to hit the wall, i.e it needs to be
point almost parallel with the wall, and the supplied bracket doesn't
allow the dish to sit 90 degrees to the wall, the best it can acheive
is about 60 degrees. Think I'll end up having to move the mount :-(
unless I can figure out a way of "padding" out the back of the bracket
to bring it away from the wall.
Regards
Philip
Jan Panteltje
wrote in <1162896355....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
I have a 85 cm (or thereabout) dish with a Motek dish motor.
The motor mounting extends sufficiently forward to allow more movement.
The advantage of a dish motor is 2 things:
1) You can get many more sats (Astra1, Astra2, Hotbird, maybe some west too).
2) You can correct from indoors when it is 10 below zero and there is no
way you want up the ladder.
Modern receivers steer the dish automatically, but of course you need to set
it up once for one sat, with the right elevation.
Then all others should be OK.
Perhaps something to think about for the future, I sure do not want to part
with mine :)
philip...@yahoo.com
upsetting the signal strength, as was happening last weekend! :-)
Doesn't a motor and associated attachments cost a lot of money?
I notice that my receiver is compatible with DisCEQ (or whatever it is)
which I believe is the ability to control a motor?. However how do you
program the Azimuth and Elevation into the receiver for it to know how
to turn? I haven't seen any option on my receiver for setting stuff
like that.
I've vaugely read some information about how to setup motors and it
does sound quite complicated.... are they?
Thanks for the input Jan,
Regards
Philip
Jan Panteltje
wrote in <1162904458.9...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>and another advantage is that I won't have to be near the dish,
>upsetting the signal strength, as was happening last weekend! :-)
>Doesn't a motor and associated attachments cost a lot of money?
I payed 65 Euro for the Motek IITC, took me one afternoon to install
it.
>I notice that my receiver is compatible with DisCEQ (or whatever it is)
diseqc
>which I believe is the ability to control a motor?. However how do you
>program the Azimuth and Elevation into the receiver for it to know how
>to turn?
The motor (normally) only moves the dish
sideways, and slightly tilt it, imagine you on the earth in the drawing
below, and the satellites south of you above the equator.
So there is no elevalion control (once right for due south it should
be OK for all sats, this is the way the shaft the dish is mounted on is formed,
it has an angle.
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earth
>I haven't seen any option on my receiver for setting stuff
>like that.
These diseqc signal are send of over the same cable, i tis 100%
transparent to the user, the LNB cable goes to the motor unit,
and from there the normal cable to the receiver.
The power for the motor is also taken from the LNB power.
)-------[motor]-------[receiver]--------[TV]
dish
>I've vaugely read some information about how to setup motors and it
>does sound quite complicated.... are they?
There are guides on the net, and it has been discussed here many times
(google may still have this?).
Just find a sat that is close to due south..... Or find any known satellite,
and let the receiver calculate.
So if you know where to point to Astra, and set the receiver to Astra and tune
it in, and used a compass to align the motor, it should find the other sats
automatically.
Just make sure it is exactly level and vertical, else it will not turn
'against' the angle.
philip...@yahoo.com
whip out the credit card ;-) hehe
It does all sound quite easy and very beneficial so I'll have to look
more closely at doing this.
So, just so that I get this clear, it sounds like you're saying that
the receiver knows that if it's, for instance, pointing to Telecom 2C
at 3 degrees, then it will know that Hotbird is an additional 10
degrees further around?
Thanks again for the further information, I'm certainly learning a lot,
fast.
Regards
Philip
Jan Panteltje
wrote in <1162919787....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
>Stop it, stop it, I'm a gadget man and you're temping me too much to
>whip out the credit card ;-) hehe
>
>It does all sound quite easy and very beneficial so I'll have to look
>more closely at doing this.
>
>So, just so that I get this clear, it sounds like you're saying that
>the receiver knows that if it's, for instance, pointing to Telecom 2C
>at 3 degrees, then it will know that Hotbird is an additional 10
>degrees further around?
Yes, actually my motor itself came with a build in sat table with 26
entries, and accepts resynchronize commands.
The re-synchronize lets you make a small correction (suppose you were a
bit of on Astra), and the also updates all other positions.
Never used it.....
There is a goto 'nn' command, where n is simply one of the 26 internally
programmed sattelite numbers (for example Hotbird is 1, Astra1 is 2,
Astra 2 is 18), never used it.
But I think normally the receiver will send a 'goto x' command, as the
receiver is supposed to have a list of satellites.
The 'goto x' sends the dish to a specified angle 'x, this angle is calculated
by the receiver.
In a modern receiver there could be a menu where you can input the
longitude and latitude you are, and the receiver will then use the diseqc
goto command to steer the dish.
Just stop thinking about it..... maybe read your receiver documantation to see
what it supports.
Zak
> Unless you already know a specific PID, it has no use for you I think.
> And, as I did say, PIDs can change.
> I'd stay with automatic scanning to get all at 13E for now.
The receiver probably has some frequencies etc already programmed in.
There will be a screen with a signal meter and a selection of satellite
and frequency somewhere in the menu. I would:
- select 'hotbird'
- check if the frequency is still 'in use' by verifying on lyngsat.com
or similar. Frequency use changes, and in-receiver lists can be very
old. (check if symbol rate and polarization match as well)
- if the frequency is not in use any more or SR or pol don't match, look
for a frequency (often called 'transponder' in the receiver) that does.
- then, play around with the dish by moving it little by little and
waiting 2 seconds each time, to see if level and quality meters make a
jump. They may change color as well when they find a valid signal.
- when you fund a signal, do a full scan and match what you see with say
lyngsat. Then you know if you have the right satellite, and if no, which
way to turn the dish and repeat.
Good luck,
Thomas
philip...@yahoo.com
Thanks for this additional useful information. I just hope the weather
is dry at the weekend so I can put the portable TV outside to check the
signal coming off my dish! And I'll certainly have to consider a motor
for the dish to take advantage of the other available satellite
signals.
My receiver seems quite a basic one as I haven't seen any options for
setting up my location, or to let it know about the Azimuth of new
satellites that it wasn't aware of, but if I get a good enough motor
control I probably won't need this I guess? as I should be able to do
it from the motor control.
Out of interest, have either of you been able to receive a signal off
Hotbird 7 on 11488H/27500? As I just want to check it's not an
encrypted set of channels. I'm looking in particular for TV Polonia,
Polonia 1 and ITV (Poland).
Thanks again everyone for your assistance and bringing a numpty like me
up to speed!
Regards
Philip
Jan Panteltje
wrote in <1162937286....@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
>Thomas, Jan,
>
>Thanks for this additional useful information. I just hope the weather
>is dry at the weekend so I can put the portable TV outside to check the
>signal coming off my dish! And I'll certainly have to consider a motor
>for the dish to take advantage of the other available satellite
>signals.
>My receiver seems quite a basic one as I haven't seen any options for
>setting up my location, or to let it know about the Azimuth of new
>satellites that it wasn't aware of, but if I get a good enough motor
>control I probably won't need this I guess? as I should be able to do
>it from the motor control.
No you will not be able to do it from the motor control, as there is none.
At least not in the diseqc compatible ones normally.
The motor has 2 buttons, back and forward, to press these you have to
climb the ladder.
All diseqc commands are generated by the receiver.
There are dish motors with control box, these are likely more expensive,
and I am not sure if these are diseqc compatible, and maybe those even need a
separate power supply.
Your receiver _should_ have some menu for dish install, if it does not,
it may still support diseqc, I would ask around for that model, to find
out if it supports a dish motor.
Just take your time, sats will not go away...
Richard L
philip...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Out of interest, have either of you been able to receive a signal off
> Hotbird 7 on 11488H/27500? As I just want to check it's not an
> encrypted set of channels. I'm looking in particular for TV Polonia,
> Polonia 1 and ITV (Poland).
They're all there this morning -- and so are others such as TVP
Kultura, TV Puls, TV Biznes and Trojka.
Check http://www.lyngsat.com/hotbird.html again: you should be able
to receive any channels on that page, radio or TV, that are listed
against a pale yellow background (denoting a free-to-air digital
transmission). The only exceptions might be transmissions with an
extremely low symbol rate which your receiver may not be able to cope
with - the Hungarian TV channel m2, for example. Symbol rates are
listed in the column headed SR.
--
Richard L.
Roger R
"Richard L" <use...@nowirelessspam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6ebffc82...@wireless.demon.co.uk...
> In message <1162937286....@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
> philip...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> Out of interest, have either of you been able to receive a signal off
>> Hotbird 7 on 11488H/27500? As I just want to check it's not an
>> encrypted set of channels. I'm looking in particular for TV Polonia,
>> Polonia 1 and ITV (Poland).
>
> They're all there this morning -- and so are others such as TVP
> Kultura, TV Puls, TV Biznes and Trojka.
There is a notice on one of the Hotbird channels stating that H 7 ends on 10
November.(Tomorrow)
Viewers need to retune to Hotbird 8 for continued reception.
Is this due to HB7 drifting off position?
Nothing on Lygnsat about it - but they are away on holiday, and anyway their
news often seems to be only 'after the event'.
Presumably the cessation of Hotbird 7 is the reason why TV8 Mont Blanc and
Direct 8 moved to a new frequency a week ago.
Roger R
plb_...@yahoo.co.uk
As I write this message I am a very happy bunny, as I've managed to get
a lock onto the Hotbird satellites and managed to tune into the 5
Polish TV channels my girlfriend wanted to see! .... can't wait to see
her face when she gets home! .... and .......erm..... isn't there a lot
of porn channels! :-D , well, I've got to have some reward for my hard
work!
I took the advice of people listed here in this thread and took my
portable TV outside (connected to my remote AV sender/receiver unit) so
I could check the signal strength and "quality" based upon a frequency
on the Hotbird satellites.... I chose 11034V,27500 which was suggested
by someone. Using the receivers signal and quality meters was much
easier than trying to use a generic "satellite finder" meter.
Thanks to everyone above for their help, in particular Jan and Tony for
their persistence. I now intend to write a "newbies" guide to
installing a satellite so that other starters like me can so how easy
it was for another new starter to get it working.
Regards
Philip
tony sayer
plb_...@yahoo.co.uk writes
>All,
>
>As I write this message I am a very happy bunny, as I've managed to get
>a lock onto the Hotbird satellites and managed to tune into the 5
>Polish TV channels my girlfriend wanted to see! .... can't wait to see
>her face when she gets home! .... and .......erm..... isn't there a lot
>of porn channels! :-D , well, I've got to have some reward for my hard
>work!
Well U should have busy weekend then;)
>
>I took the advice of people listed here in this thread and took my
>portable TV outside (connected to my remote AV sender/receiver unit) so
>I could check the signal strength and "quality" based upon a frequency
>on the Hotbird satellites.... I chose 11034V,27500 which was suggested
>by someone. Using the receivers signal and quality meters was much
>easier than trying to use a generic "satellite finder" meter.
I've found that too..
>
>Thanks to everyone above for their help, in particular Jan and Tony for
>their persistence. I now intend to write a "newbies" guide to
>installing a satellite so that other starters like me can so how easy
>it was for another new starter to get it working.
>
Good idea!..
>Regards
>
>Philip
>
--
Tony Sayer