Analog Signals From 19.2E Stopping April 30th

[Java Jive]

http://klar-digital.de/index_eng.php

Does anyone know if it is possible to get English commentary on any of
the FTA digital broadcasts?
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[J G Miller]

On Tuesday, March 20th, 2012, at 13:39:01h +0000, Java Jive wrote:

> Does anyone know if it is possible to get English commentary on
> any of the FTA digital broadcasts?

Yes.

[Java Jive]

Er, thanks for the extremely limited help! Perhaps, as I have tried
in the past and failed, you could explain how?

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:42:40 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
wrote:
>
> Yes.

[Michael Chare]

On 20/03/2012 15:30, Java Jive wrote:
> Er, thanks for the extremely limited help! Perhaps, as I have tried
> in the past and failed, you could explain how?
>
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:42:40 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller<mil...@yoyo.ORG>
> wrote:
>>
>> Yes.

You could watch Eurosport on 19.2 and listen to the English soundtrack
from Eurosport Biava on Hotbird. The Biava picture is encrypted but the
sound is FTA. I think these channels mostly transmit the same programme
material, but this no always the case. There can also be timing
differences. Don't know if this was what JGM had in mind though!


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[Rob]

I think he answered the "Does anyone know" with Yes, not the
"if it is possible".

[Brian Gaff]

I thought all these transmissions had alternative audio, its really up o the
broadcaster whether they use them so the answer really is yes, when its
there!

Brian

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[Michael Chare]

On 20/03/2012 18:10, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I thought all these transmissions had alternative audio, its really up o the
> broadcaster whether they use them so the answer really is yes, when its
> there!
>
> Brian
>

Well in the case of Eurosport it is not there, and I was just making the
point that it is sometimes elsewhere!

I have a theory that the reason that it is not there is because Sky have
something in their contract for Eurosport which inhibits it from being
made available.

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Michael Chare

[J G Miller]

On Tuesday, March 20th, 2012, at 17:21:59h +0000, Rob wrote:

> I think he answered the "Does anyone know" with Yes, not the
> "if it is possible".

10/10 I answered the question which was asked rather than
making assumptions as to what the person asking the question
wanted to know, which to be honest was not at all clear.

After all, would it be reasonable to expect the BBC to carry
commentary in German on their TV services carried FTA on satellite?

[Richard Tobin]

In article <jkanpp$pn4$2...@dont-email.me>, J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG> wrote:
>I answered the question which was asked

Your theory of language is faulty.

-- Richard

[Demonic]

No but there are many pan-European channels like Eurosport, Euronews,
etc that carry many audio channels. For example, the old analogue
Eurosport carried German, English and Dutch in the days before it encrypted.

The German and French versions of Eurosport don't appear to have any
other soundtrack but the addies are sometimes in English !!!!

The Dutch Eurosport has Dutch, English, Hungarian and Cz. soundtracks ATM.

[Light of Aria]

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How very sad. I was still using a 19.2 analogue receiver last summer to
watch Le Tour de France on Eurosport with English audio.


As it happens, I was bored on Sunday, and I got out my old disused Sky
Digibox, plugged it in to the 22 year old 19.2 dish, and manually tuned in
Eurosport Germany and all the same German channels found on Analogue 19.2

I expect if I turn the Sky receiver on this summer, I'll make do with The
Tour de France in German as there is no way to switch the audio track on
this receiver.

It is a sad but great end of an era. For more than 20 years, analogue
satellite has carried multi-channel multi-language free to air television
across Europe, and a decade before the current standard definition digital
television arrived.

Will there be some train-spotters out there watching the technicians pull
the plug?

[Demonic]

On 20/03/2012 21:59, Light of Aria wrote:
>
>
> "Java Jive" wrote in message
> news:qv1hm7d4327e5jb3l...@4ax.com...
>
> http://klar-digital.de/index_eng.php
>
> Does anyone know if it is possible to get English commentary on any of
> the FTA digital broadcasts?

You can set a preferred language for a Sly digibox but obviously the
channel needs to be transmitting in that language.

Try playing with Euronews as that has the most audio channels.

As I posted above, German Eurosport (fta) only seems to have one audio
channel.

[Java Jive]

Thanks. But I don't think any of these are FTA? Despite JGM's
perversity, I think my original question was sufficiently clear to
most people. Are there any FTA digital Eurosport channels that have
English commentary?

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:36:53 +0000, Demonic
<this_is...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> The Dutch Eurosport has Dutch, English, Hungarian and Cz. soundtracks ATM.

[J G Miller]

On Tuesday, March 20th, 2012, 23:58:10h +0000, Java Jive wrote:

> Are there any FTA digital Eurosport channels that have
> English commentary?

You failed to specify Eurosport in your original posting.

There was no mention whatsoever of Eurosport in the link you provided,
only stations which broadcast in German --
"Das Erste, ProSieben, RTL, SAT.1 or ZDF"

How did you expect readers to know that you were referring to Eurosport?

[Java Jive]

Ah, nor did I. Sorry, my mistake.

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:24:47 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
wrote:
>

> How did you expect readers to know that you were referring to Eurosport?

[J G Miller]

On Wednesday, March 21st, 2012, at 09:59:14h +0000, Java Jive wrote:

> Ah, nor did I. Sorry, my mistake.

Oh well, we all make mistakes.

Incidentally are you familiar with King Of Sat which makes it
easy to find FTA stations and which audio services they carry?

<http://en.kingofsat.NET/find.php?question=eurosport&standard=All&filtre=Clear>

OF course the big question is, when the analog services on Astra 19,2 East
are shutdown, will their transponders be re-used for DVB-s/s2?

[Miles Collins]

J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>:

> will their transponders be re-used for DVB-s/s2?

Yes.

[J G Miller]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:01:25 +0100, Miles Collins wrote:

> Yes.

That is good news.

Do you have any information on what new TV and radio stations
may be moved on to these transponders?

[Miles Collins]

J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>:

> Do you have any information on what new
> TV and radio stations
> may be moved on to these transponders?

6 Transponders will contain German HD programmes.

The regional stations SWR, BR, NDR, WDR with their local subvariantes
will be in HD.
3sat, KiKa, Phoenix, ZDFinfo, neo & kultur are also getting a HD
channel.

Das Erste HD, ZDF HD, and arte HD are moving.

A lot of retuning to be done.

[J G Miller]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:26:19 +0100, Miles Collins wrote:

> 6 Transponders will contain German HD programmes.
>
> The regional stations SWR, BR, NDR, WDR with their local subvariantes
> will be in HD.

I remember hearing something about the regional broadcasts would be
available in HD at some point.

> 3sat, KiKa, Phoenix, ZDFinfo, neo & kultur are also getting a HD
> channel.

Having all of the public stations available in HD is a big leap forward.

Thanks for the information which is most helpful and useful.

> A lot of retuning to be done.

Indeed so, but I expect that most will be competent enough to
do this themselves.

Do you know why Eins Festival HD is (or maybe now "was") on a continuous
demonstration loop and why it does not carry the Eins Festival programs?

[Miles Collins]

J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>:

> Do you know why Eins Festival HD is (or maybe now "was")
> on a continuous demonstration loop and why
> it does not carry the Eins Festival programs?

No idea why it's still called that.

Einsfestival, EinsExtra & EinsPlus are due to get their HD channel in
2014, as are MDR, hr & rbb.

[Java Jive]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:03:00 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
wrote:
>

> Incidentally are you familiar with King Of Sat which makes it
> easy to find FTA stations and which audio services they carry?
>
> <http://en.kingofsat.NET/find.php?question=eurosport&standard=All&filtre=Clear>

So that's basically no then. Ah well, let's look at the bright side -
it seems that after April I will have more free time, and won't be
wearing out the mute buttons on my TV remotes to avoid the nosiest
adverts on TV.

> OF course the big question is, when the analog services on Astra 19,2 East
> are shutdown, will their transponders be re-used for DVB-s/s2?

And/or will the English appear on any of the free digital
transmissions, which I very much doubt.

[Michael Chare]

I just hope that they don't encrypt any new HD channels

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Michael Chare

[J G Miller]

On Wednesday, March 21st, 2012, at 20:13:26h +0000, Java Jive wrote:

> it seems that after April I will have more free time

You could use your new free time to learn German ;) ;)

> And/or will the English appear on any of the free digital
> transmissions, which I very much doubt.

WDR did at one time show some old movies as VO (version originale)
with the English soundtrack rather than a dubbed version.

Also, Arte (France) on 19,2 East has recently been shewing a
number of recent UKofGB&NI movies with English soundtrack.

[Andy Burns]

But why are some of their channels having to wait until 2014 for HD
versions (e.g. EinsFestival HD which is is just showing a Barker loop,
so it isn't as though it's waiting for available bandwidth)

[Andy Burns]

Michael Chare wrote:

> I just hope that they don't encrypt any new HD channels

http://www.ard-digital.de/HDTV/Die-ARD-in-HD/Die-ARD-in-HD

"Die Programme der ARD werden grundsätzlich unverschlüsselt und ohne
zusätzliche Kosten ausgestrahlt."

[John Legon]

Anyone pasting that into Google Language may get completely the wrong
result. Quote:

"The programs of the ARD will be encrypted and transmitted
without additional costs."

When this should read:

The programmes of the ARD will in principle *not* be encrypted
and transmitted without additional costs.

[J G Miller]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:14:25 +0000, John Legon wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>> Michael Chare wrote:
>>
>>> I just hope that they don't encrypt any new HD channels
>>
>> http://www.ard-digital.de/HDTV/Die-ARD-in-HD/Die-ARD-in-HD
>>

>> "Die Programme der ARD werden grundsätzlich " und ohne

>> zusätzliche Kosten ausgestrahlt."
>>
>>
> Anyone pasting that into Google Language may get completely the wrong
> result. Quote:
>
> "The programs of the ARD will be encrypted and transmitted
> without additional costs."
>
> When this should read:
>
> The programmes of the ARD will in principle *not* be encrypted
> and transmitted without additional costs.

Whereas Babel Fish gives a more accurate translation

The programs of the pool of broadcasting corporations are radiated
in principle unencrypted and without additional costs.

If when using Google Translate, one inserts a comma after "unverschlüsselt",
the translated meaning changes from "will" to "will not", so best advice
is to use Babel Fish rather than Google translate which will probably be
storing all of your translations in its now single database for future
marketing purposes.

[Java Jive]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:59:09 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
wrote:
>

> You could use your new free time to learn German ;) ;)

Actually, we had to do a non-science subject at 6th Form College (as
we'd call it now) for one hour a week, and German was the least bad
choice. Can't remember much of it though.

I suspect 60+ is too old to be learning languages anyway, but if I was
going to try, I'd either look to improve my spoken French, take up
Russian again (which I did for a year at school before leaving to
change to science subjects), or else Scots Gaelic.

> > And/or will the English appear on any of the free digital
> > transmissions, which I very much doubt.
>
> WDR did at one time show some old movies as VO (version originale)
> with the English soundtrack rather than a dubbed version.
>
> Also, Arte (France) on 19,2 East has recently been shewing a
> number of recent UKofGB&NI movies with English soundtrack.

I'm just as happy listening to music if I can't find anything to
watch.

[J G Miller]

On Thursday, March 22nd, 2012, at 12:51:48 +0000, Java Jive wrote:

> Can't remember much of it though.

Hardly surprising -- if you do not use it you forget it.
But if you were to immerse yourself by eg watching lots of
German TV (with subtitles) you would soon start to pick up
the language again.

> I suspect 60+ is too old to be learning languages anyway

Not true at all, unless you are going senile, and there is
no evidence of that. ;)

"You are never too old to learn a new language"

<http://www.japantoday.COM/category/executive-impact/view/youre-never-too-old-to-learn-a-new-language>

> but if I was going to try, I'd either look to improve my spoken French, take up

Subjunctive alert! "If I were going to ..." ;)

> I'm just as happy listening to music if I can't find anything to
> watch.

BR-Klassik? MDR Klassik? NDR Kultur?

All available at high bitrates from Astra 19,2 East.

[Demonic]

Mark Twain said life is too short to learn German :-)

[Andy Burns]

John Legon wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>

>> "Die Programme der ARD werden grundsätzlich unverschlüsselt und ohne
>> zusätzliche Kosten ausgestrahlt."
>>
> Anyone pasting that into Google Language may get completely the wrong
> result. Quote:
>
> "The programs of the ARD will be encrypted

Oh sorry, I'm another bablefish man myself ... the joys of machine
translation.